Kingdom

>>156492885
Personality wise he never changes. He does get older but its over a period of time, if there is a timeskip in the manga it wasn't a big one

Their infiltation of the capital with the mountain folk was also extremely dumb. Hurrdurr, we're on a secret mission to infiltrate the royal court to kill the king, and we have our pretender with us. Let's take off our disguise and talk loudly about our secret plan to murder the king!

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Now, for some positive things: Diao is pretty cute. I like the strawbird disguise.

The designs of the cannon fodder soldiers is pretty nice. (The ones with what looks like lamellar, but is not.)

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The look and arrogance of the little brother of the king was also done well. I didn't find that obnoxious at all, contrary to the MC.

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It also seems to have some cute girls. Hoping for more, there's only been two or three females in the 18 episodes so far.

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>>156493426
(2 or 3 because I don't know about this person yet.)

The font used in the [Tsukuyomi] release also sucks hard and I wonder why they have two seperate subtitle tracks, on of which only has a single line for the name of the episode.

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Bi is also a cool dude.

8/10, would serve under.

Wait wtf there's a anime for this shit? I've been reading the entire time and im having fun

>>156492885
>The art actually looks alright when they aren't using 3DCGI, but the 3DCGI looks horrendous. I'd prefer PS2 3D over this, and this anime is from 2013.
exact reason why I was told to stay away from the anime and that they censor a lot. Shin is honestly just a shounen mc in a senien there is a slight time skip but he doesn't really change much personality wise.
to anybody who read and watched kingdom should I watch this? I heard the second seaeon looks a lot better and it ends with the Renpa campaign.

>>156493767
>I've been reading the entire time
might as well keep reading; the anime isn't good

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I love her.

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>>156494556
>and that they censor a lot.
This is true. When they're presenting a cut off head, the head's almost only a black shade. Slashes half of time time don't even show blood and body parts are never cut off visibly.

I'm at episode 20 and like the scale of battles now, though. Battles between armies are much more interesting than duels.

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>>156495031

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>>156495074

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>>156495108

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>>156493717
>not serving under the best lieutenant
good luck on your mediocre career

yes I finally get to post pic related

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>>156494988
>>156493524
>>156495188
why is she so great?

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Oh, wow. He's a girl, too.

That makes three crossdressers so far.

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>>156495031
one of kingdoms big appeals is its gore there are a lot of panels of people getting cut in half or beheaded and lots of blood especially involving the mountain people. It missing that is a big deal for me I guess the anime never got blurays or anything, I highly recommend checking out the earlier arcs in the manga when you're done.

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>>156495717
sorry meant to post a page got caught up thinking about Yotanwa

>>156493717
>Serving under worst general
Only got to where he is cause his family is connected

>>156495513
She, Shin and the strategist are a love trio basically confirmed in the manga.

>>156492885
a timeskip is coming after ep 25 i think. He gets older still loud as shit but its inspiring and he stops talking about Piao all the time. Where are you at so far? Is it the first war with Zhao?

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>>156495717
Tfw reread kingdom 4 times and its always a thrill to catch back up. For a shounen its pretty fucking good.

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>>156495717
Thank you. The Kingdom manga has always been in my periphery, but I have never picked it up.

I actually only picked up this anime because I confused it with the Romance of the Three Kingdoms TV anime, too.

>>156495881
Episode 21, a battle with Wei in the first war.

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>>156495923
>shounen
anon...

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>>156495928
The actual history behind it is interesting. Literally changed over to an Asian history Major because of it. Then to find out that they had an eventual link to the terracotta soldiers was also fun

>>156496006
Its a battle shounen only thing is its actually well done.

>>156495923
in all seriousness though kingdom was great read the scale of things just keep getting larger.
I honestly wanna reread shins first campaign something about was just perfect.

>>156496047
Its a seinen on military warfare and Chinese history.

>>156496063
In the last couple chapters they reflected on everyones first battle and how bad they all sucked. Rookies were like "so even the captain sucked". I forgot that he became a 100 man commander after that first campaign.

>>156496106
my bad my bro it was my misunderstanding keep mixing my terms.

>>156493426
Is that Yotanwa? She looks so weird
You'd better read the manga imo

Just read the manga man

>>156495319
What a based man he was. Shame he's been forgotten

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Loves me some Yotanwa

Why is Renpa such a best?

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>>156496352
do you remember the name the guy that was apart of Ouki's army and liked to shit talk I miss that guy.
>>156496390
why barely any fanart of her anon?

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tfw Duke Hyou will never be your dad.

>>156496543
I think you are talking of Rokuomi

>>156496543
Dunno like Kingdom Fans are so passive. Kingdom has a great fanbase that doesn't obsess over these things

Favorite part of the Manga was the siege at Sei

>>156496599
couldn't find the image but it was Rinbou he talked shit about Rin bu kun's hair

Is there a chapter this week?

>>156496664
The battle between shin and Hou ken was mine

>>156496897
yes on Sunday. You should probably sub to sense scans.

>>156496952
I always get them on Turnip Farmers

>>156496276
It's the mountain king as a loli in a flashback.

>>156497074
Thats cool too.

>>156494988
>her

It's hard to read when you know what's going to happen in the end

>>156497074
>Turnip Farmers
That's a cute scanlator group name.

Maybe I just have a thing for vegetables, though, because one of my favourite group names is [Nepperoni].

>>156496907
All the battles or the one at Sei?

Ousen and Ouki are the best characters.

>>156496896
The best shit talker is Ouhon when he insults Shin
Love that guy

>>156497230
I'm curious to see how the author will handle MC fucking up his campaign.

>>156497703
Bihei will be with him till the end. Everyone else......but yeah I am eagerly awaiting that as well. But Hara has been really creative so far.

>>156497703
well the mc has barily shown any prowess in leading his troops, so him fucking shit up will not be surprising.

but I think the author will replace mc with another historical figure who will conveniently die off.

>>156497593
>not li mu and shouheikun

>>156497703
In one of Hara's one shots you can see a glimpse of that campaign
Meng Wu and Chu-zi, it's a brief story on Moubu and Shohei-kun

>>156497873
It's not even going to be his fault though

tell me about Ousen.. why does he wear the mask?

>>156497985
Who else is excited for the Ousen vs Riboku chess match that's coming?

Speaking of Ousen what is his master plan? Make the refugees riot? Starvation?

>>156497948
It technically is in the sense that he had no back up plans for shit hitting the fan. When you go on such a large campaign you are expected as the commander in chief to deal with all issues yourself once you've been deployed.

When you try to show off and it bites you in the ass you can't complain about unexpected variables.

>>156498287
Probably starvation

>>156498287
Starvation and or hide soldiers in refugees

>>156498287
It's many things, including those you stated. If he has spies clever enough then he can also plant insiders within the refugees to incite the riots even harder, but I doubt that will happen as getting caught with food would instantly fuck the plan over, meaning it's a high risk thing and Ousen doesn't seem to ever take risks.

Also you forgot that with a massive increase in population density, the outbreak of illness and diseases would skyrocket weakening the enemy army by magnitudes. Of course given how the manga has never ever touched upon plagues and shit besides flash backs, it might not be touched upon but you never know.

>>156497873
I think this is Hara's biggest Fuck up when introducing Ten. Shin barely leads anymore he just fights boss battles while Ten dictates troop movements.

>>156492885
Was Qin Shi Huang autistic? Because Legalism may possibly be the absolute worst philosophy to have ever been created by human beings.

Like I still cant get a grasp of Ousen's fighting style. Does he only attack when hes sure hes gonna win or what. I remember in the one arc with Renpa he was on the Hill the entire Arc. Like the way they hyped up him and Kanki I was expecting him to be as overwhelming as Kanki is.

>>156498938
Well seeing as he was overdosing himself on mercury for years I would think he was partially. But as explained by a couple documentaries and the Shiji It was Li Si's fault. Legalism sounds well and good when you're in a position of power. Otherwise its shit

>>156498938
Considering it was adopted by the succeeding Han dynasty which ruled for over 400 years before collapsing, I'd say it was quite adequate at the time.

Other than the Roman Empire, how many other reigns have been as successful? Like less than 10?

>>156498938
How is legalism bad? It makes perfect sense if you want to increase a state's strength, undermine the power of entrenched nobles, and compete in a super cut-throat world.

Legalist reforms are pretty much the entire reason why Qin was able to transform from a backwards frontier state that the others considered "half-barbarians" into the pre-eminent state that conquered everyone else.

>>156499195
No, legalism sounds good when you're not in a secure position of power and are getting pushed around by foreign states and nobles in your own country. Once you have power, it's better to seek alternate ways of inspiring people because they'll only listen to brute force for so long.

>>156499317
>Chinese Legalism is as Western as Thomas Hobbes, as modern as Hu Jintao. It speaks the universal and timeless language of law and order. The past does not matter, state power is to be maximized, politics has nothing to do with morality, intellectual endeavour is suspect, violence is indispensable, and little is to be expected rom the rank and file except and appreciation of force.

In the end the First Emperor's near autistic obsession with the "severe punishments" part of legalism on the other hand practically ensured that the state of Qin would not survive his death.

>if they don't want to fight we kill them
>if they don't want to work we kill them
>if they show up late to work we kill them
>if they don't like the law we kill them

An amoral system of laws alone cannot ensure a stable society, and after the emperor died the unpopular state fell as his son could not hold it together.

This is why the Han and everyone after them had to bury their legalist foundations under a mountain of Confucian window dressing.

>>156499850
Like I said in the above post, it perfectly suits a specific time and place the Qin found itself in. Just because it wasn't suited for long-term governance post-unification doesn't mean it should be discounted as a valid system pre-unification.

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>>156498938
>>156499317
If it does, why does legalism even work in the first place?

If the reason that it fails in the long term is that you're incentivizing people to rebel by giving them the choice, when they fail, between either certain death when accepting the rule and possible death but also possible life when rebelling, then doesn't exactly this same problem exist even when your rule is not secure?

The only difference would be that someone in the process of founding a dynasty also tends to have a lot of military power to enforce this killing through his own power, whereas someone further down the dynasty already has devoluted a lot of the power the founder had.

>>156499850
>under a mountain of Confucian window dressing.


But it's still technically legalism no? Just with religion to justify it. It's like saying gacha games and micro transactions are garbage and will always fail. Certainly it's garbage, but as you can see in reality, it clearly works when you dress it up right.

>>156499195
My favorite part about legalism is how it reads like a 14 year old's conception of what a standard "Evil Empire" is like, everything about it from how it firmly believea all humans to be inherently evil, how it places the State above all with no care for the individual, the position of the supreme ruler as the sole arbiter of law, and the severe punishments.

>>156500355
In the conquest/expansion phase, legalism's strict adherence to iron-discipline and reward/punishment system means that an ordinary person stands to benefit as long as he abides by the system and earns merit.

In the post-conquest phase, there isn't any more new land to be conquered. The incentives for following the harsh laws becomes less and less. What you need in a post-conquest phase is loyalty from the local elites who are invested in seeing your regime continue. This is a very common historical pattern worldwide.

>>156500391
It's legalism in the same sense that social democracy is socialism. The Chinese political spectrum has traditionally run between legalism and Confucianism, not left and right like the West.

>>156499066
He shells himself in his fortifications and tries to create a chance to strike, once he finds that occasion he strikes, otherwise he patiently waits in his comfy forts

>>156500487
While the idea of humans as inherently evil seems super-edgy, I think it's more understandable when you place yourself in the pre-modern world where inter-state and intra-state violence was rampant. This is a time when there's really no such thing as a civilian police force and people were generally more approving of violence than today. You could get killed by any one of the numerous bandits infesting the roads so it's not exactly hard to see why some people would be willing to give up their liberties to an all-powerful state as long as it can curb excessive violence. As they themselves have yet to realize the violence the state in turn could wield upon them, it's hard to label them as near-sighted.

Hox lad, is there any translated version of Suikoden I can find online?

>>156500786
The book or the manga? If the latter, I don't think there are any online.

>>156500870
The manga.. Do you plan of translating it someday?

>>156500923
Certainly not anytime soon. I don't really want to do it because it's a very truncated form of the original novel and as Yokoyama's first attempt at doing Chinese history, it's a little awkward. I may do it if nobody ever does it, but I prefer to prioritize Yokoyama's later historical works.

>>156501080
I see, thanks for the info

>>156496588
It's okay, if he was my father I'd be a constant disappointment, no matter who raised me.

>>156496588
Looks like the antagonist from Kaiji.

>>156501241
Yeah but then your dad would be beating up everyone's dad.

Why Japanese names instead of Mandarin?

Will MC practice polygamy (it was normal in China ) and marry both Kyoukai and Ten?

I want shipperfags to leave.

>>156504248
This thread is dead as it is, who cares?