Fansubs declared illegal in the netherlands

>fansubbing is illegal
>smoking weed is OK
What a strange country.

>>156324441
hopefully it doesnt spread

its always been illegal everywhere, you cannot translate something without the authors´s consent.
Has never stopped anyone of course and it never will.

Thank god I don't live in Dutch.

>>156325125
>you cannot translate something without the authors´s consent
You can as long as you don't package it with the original, copyrighted work. Making a subtitle file that can be used with a media player or something is fine.

>>156325352
Nope the author is the one that has to authorize a translation period.

>>156325352
This is exactly what the court case was about though.

>>156325125
This.
It's impressive people can think fansub is legal.

>>156325517
it's not legal by companies which want to keep all the sheckel, but authors don't give a crap if their work spreads in other languages too

the same thing with fan art, you won't see an artist complaining about fan art made by others if his characters, but companies which hold paid said artists

illegal just means what you are doing pissing off somebody with more power than you

>>156325872
>you won't see an artist complaining about fan art made by others if his characters

You do see it sometimes.

It's the Netherlands, our laws are more guidelines than absolutes.

>>156326159
So is murder just kind of like a slap on the wrists?

>>156326203
How long do you think people get senteced for murders in EU when the justice system aims to rehabilitate people?

>make medium rare steak
>get sued by gordon ramsay

That court is just retarded. It is common for courts to make retarded decisions.

Fansubbing itself has never been and never will be illegal anyehere short of a couple of retarded exceptions like OP due to the nature of the subs themselves.

By that fucking logic, merely quoting the movie lines in text and spreading it woud already be an infringement when it is clearly not.

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>>156325923
>Only problem is we have a few mudslimes like turkroaches and mocros
Not for long my fellow compatriot, not for long.

>>156324441
Doubt that it will change things much around here though, internet censorship is not really a thing here and piracy is rarely punished

>>156326251
I don't know, but I'm assuming it's not very long.

>>156324441
I fucking hate the dutch so much

>>156325125
>its always been illegal everywhere, you cannot translate something without the authors´s consent.

> yayo ubusoloko mthethweni yonke, awukwazi translate into ngaphandle kwemvume yombhali

What now fucker

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>>156326535
Why?

>>156326365
Has he had cosmetic surgery? Those eys look a bit freaky, also I guess the hair is great way to make sure everyone remembers your clown like appearance.

>>156326718
He's trans-Dutch, used to be Korean.

>>156326718
Not sure he is known as the racist politician in our country.
He really seems to hate mudslimes specifically.

>>156326813
>Korean

Indo.

>>156326860
And does he has a chance to win anything?

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>>156326640

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>>156326917
He's not interested in winning.

>>156326917
He actually did very well, during our last elections.
His political party was the second most voted for in our country.
A lot of people were caught off guard by that.

>>156327008
In finland the Persu party won by appealing to racists and essentially dropped out of goverment so they wouldnt actually have to run things
In Britain the moment Brexit won the people pushing for it dropped out of the leadership race.

I think theres a pattern here.

>>156327239
>Farage
>leadership race
Yeah no.

>>156326641
He's Nigel Powers

>>156324441
making fansubs isn't illegal
it's distributing them that is
this is entirely consistent with copyright infringement laws

>>156324441
>Europeans will call us 56% while they allow this to happen

I'm pretty sure this is already the case in other countries, the Netherlands have always been very lax with copyright infringements, up until a few years ago downloading copyrighted material wasn't even illegal (only distributing it was). I don't think this'll really change anything.

>>156324441
I though we finished these discussions decade ago. It was never legal except, possibly, few very specific cases that fansuber never did.

>>156324567
even if it does who cares? it's not like subs are shared via srt or ass file format. they are muxed together with the video so in the end the result is the same. their politicians are just giving the ass to majors

>>156325370
same laws don't apply in every country. for example in my country sharing srt or ass files is fine, sharing hardsubbed or softsubbed video it's not

>>156324441
I expect an appeal.

>>156325412
they are just covering a grey area that was exploited by fanservices to share "illegal" content. they are probably filling the holes

>>156327239
Didn't a similar thing happen in Denmark? That aside, Germany's AfD had a similar thing happening just yesterday. The party's leader wanted to change the AfD so it could actually be fit to lead the goddamn country but she got kicked down hard by the rest of the party who would rather scream as the opposition forever instead of taking things in their own hands.

>>156329254
>>156327239
>>156327008

So all the right wing european nationalists are just a bunch of spineless faggots?
It checks out

>>156326265
you can't blame the court. they are applying the laws. if you think this is stupid blame who wrote the laws

>>156329222
not really

>>156329310
No surprise really. Although I hardly ever agree with them, I don't have anything against them defending their views, those are vital in democratic discussions after all. I do however despise them for always acting tough for muh country but as soon as something goes wrong, they go to the next boogeyman or jump the ship altogether because they are just too much of a pussy to actually take responsibility for the country they "stand for" or are just simply scared of the public backlash they always incite towards the other parties. Not all of them ofc, but a large part

>>156326380
Well, this one guy who killed 8 people and 69 leftists get like what, 21 years in 3 star hotel?

>>156324441
>>156324441
Goddamnit, I hate BREIN so much. They're just as cancerous as the NS.

>>156329320
Except laws are intentionally vague and open for interpretation, and previous court rulings are incredibly important for future court rulings.

>>156324441
>distributing copyrighted material
>legal

>>156325370
That's ridiculous. So if someone says something in another language, I need to ask their permission before putting it into google translate or asking someone what was said?

>>156330823
If you are going to make the translation publicly available to others and widely distribute it yes

who does it harm if we are fansubbing a product that will never be released in our country anyways?

we aren't taking any sales from them. in fact, the fansub might generate enough interest for them to export a proper product to our market.

>>156331001
>the fansub might generate enough interest for them to export a proper product to our market.
This has happened a lot in history and I wonder why more creators or publishers have a more favorable outlook on fansubbing.

Look at Dangan Ronpa, a translated LP generated enough hype for Spike to justify releasing the games properly in English. They even made off even better by doing individual releases for the PSP instead of the combined release that already existed.

Yeah, legally speaking fansubbing is dubiously legal depending on the country in question, but most of the time its for products that have no official release to begin with.

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>>156324441
Welp. Time to ditch torrents and go full IRC then.
BREIN confirmed for kankerlullen

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>>156325872
I feel a need to remind people the artist behind Ellen Baker had to ask the internet to stop drawing porn of her, as it was affecting his career.

>>156327412
pretty sure that ruling is talking about .ass files, not the video rips

>declaring something that's already illegal to be illegal like this changes anything

>>156324441
So what? In the anime community fansubs (where they still exist) are almost always distributed with a copy of the show which was already illegal.

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>>156331209
That was only because Ellen was featured in literal children's textbooks.

>>156324441
Does copyright even apply when the anime in question isn't licensed in Europe/the US?

>>156330861
Si vous allez rendre la traduction accessible aux autres et la diffuser largement oui

Better call the police then.

>>156324441
What retarded company even goes to court over this.

>>156331408
Are you trying to be retarded on purpose?
I would have had to claim ownership of that post I made and try to sell it first.

>>156331445
Essaye-tu d'être retardé à dessein?
J'aurais dû réclamer la propriété de ce poste que j'ai fait et essayer de le vendre en premier.

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>>156331445

Is there a good app to stream animes gois, I'm going on vacation and don't have a laptop

People say "thing is illegal" like it actually means something. If the chance of getting locked away are slim to none, who gives a fuck if it's illegal?

>>156331508
Sure retard sure

>>156331445
>and try to sell it first.
How are you trying to prove that ? Is subtitling legal before a work has sold it's first copy ?

>>156331528
Grinder

>>156324540
We'll work on that next. Junkies out!

>read anon post
>it's a crime since my country's official language isn't bongspeak

A-am I safe?

>>156331371
yes, copyright isn't like patents where you need to apply for them in a region. Through treaties (berne convention, WIPO membership) it's recognized internationally

>>156331164
if you were torrenting actual videos instead of just the .ass sub files it was already illegal, surely

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Is this a netherland thread?

>>156331325
that seems like a pretty shitty language textbook though
nobody except Japan (and weebs who watch anime) uses the word "bloomers" to mean those things

>>156331759
That is an edit you realise.

>>156331759
>nobody except Japan
It's a jap textbook

>>156332089
the point of learning foreign languages is to speak with people who aren't in japan

>>156331325
>boyfriend
English officially dropped

>>156332128
Not in Japan it's not.

>>156332483
What is it for, then? to show off?

Why are Dutch people so goofy?

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Leave the weed masters to me.

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Buy BD/DVDs anyway, or let productions be dwindled.
I can see the future that we're all sobbing bitterly.

>>156332964
>he doesn't know

>>156324441
>first world
>no money to pay some legal streaming shit

Explain this.

>>156331325
Kinky.

>>156331209
she didn't say that stop reading anime news from reddit

>>156332680
To teach them wrongly on purpose.

>>156332964
Explain the Gallagher pic.

>>156331209
That's a myth.

Friendly reminder to donate to fansub groups and help supply raws before anime is dead.

>>156324441
Piracy is already illegal

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>>156333485
Animefags on 4chan are too inept to do that.
It's useless, you'll have to rely on normal fags who have money, but all they donate to are entry tier shits.

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Start learning japanese

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>>156333604
If you are reading this thread:
DONATE TO FANSUBBERS AND HELP SUPPLY RAWS. Someone can make a list of the more active ones but Saizen/Hokuto no Gun are good ones.

>>156333766
Fuck that. I'm going to be speaking japanese and westerners can fuck off from anime for all I care.

>>156333178
as a joke?

>>156325906
Linda fucking hates seeing his doujins translated.

>>156324441
That's one big bullshit

>>156331542
Completely btfo

>>156333766
Is Saizen still alive?

>>156330823
Are you too stupid to understand the difference between someone's spoken words and something someone has created that happens to be in another language?

Like anyone watches anime in the Netherlands.

I'm bassicly the only one who does

>>156334410
they are actively releasing captain tsubasa right now i think

>>156324441
>we all illegally pirate the shows with fansubs and/or also-pirated official translations
>HEY GUYS THE FANSUB ITSELF IS NOW ILLEGAL TOO
Why am I supposed to give a shit?

>>156324441
Doesn't that make Youtube Subs illegal since some people sub foreign non-anime content on Youtube even though they don't own the copyright of the foreign content but Youtube allows those people to put subs on youtube videos.

>>156335396
If youtube actually gave a fuck about copyrights, 95% would be deleted

>>156335396
there is a reason they put them in 160p boxes in the corner of the video with a huge white glare over the video my man

My name is Anonymous and I am representing Cyber Police Inc. general counsel. A website that your company hosts (according to WHOIS information) is infringing on at least one copyright owned by my company.
A phrase my client posted, to which we own the exclusive copyrights, was translated without authorization. My client has suffered financial and emotional harm from this. and can be found at:
>>156326640
This letter is official notification under Section 512(c) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (”DMCA”), and I seek the immediate removal of the aforementioned infringing material from your servers. I request that you immediately notify the infringer of this notice and inform them of their duty to remove the infringing material immediately, and prevent any further posting of infringing material to your server in the future.

Please also be advised that law requires you, as a service provider, to remove or disable access to the infringing materials upon receiving this notice. Under US law a service provider, such as yourself, enjoys immunity from a copyright lawsuit provided that you act with deliberate speed to investigate and rectify ongoing copyright infringement. If service providers do not investigate and remove or disable the infringing material this immunity is lost. Therefore, in order for you to remain immune from a copyright infringement action you will need to investigate and ultimately remove or otherwise disable the infringing material from your servers with all due speed should the direct infringer, your client, not comply immediately.

I am providing this notice in good faith and with the reasonable belief that rights my company owns are being infringed. Under penalty of perjury I certify that the information contained in the notification is both true and accurate, and I have the authority to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright(s) involved.

Should you wish to discuss this with me please reply and give me a (You).

Thank you,
Anonymous

>>156336456
Oh fug, the cyber pigs!

>>156336594
Maybe we can distract them by having Mikasa Mikoto fuck them?

>>156324441
>I-if you download something illegally we will warn you!
>If you continue to download stuff we will warn you again up to five times so you better stop!
>If you still continue we will...we will tell your ISP! That's right, we're going to tell!

My fucking sides. That's what's to be expected of a country that lets you smoke weed.

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>>156333766
id rather be a freeloader tbqh

>>156337070
there is nothing to freeload if people don't get the raws to people

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>>156324441
Are there even any Dutch fansubbing groups?
I thought that most Dutchmen understood english reasonably well.

>>156337227
Can confirm, most people here are good at English.

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>>156337167
yes but there is plenty to freeload if _I_ don't give the raws but someone else does

>>156337324
>_I_
>stream screenshot
>not supporting fansubbers
try lurking for 2 years before posting

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>>156326641
he craves our waffles

>>156329548

The Norwegian guy? He got the max sentence under their law, and they can extend that by five years at a time if he's still considered dangerous to society. Considering the scale, he'll almost certainly be in there for life.

>>156325517
Eh, people are stupid.
Weebs are more so.

>>156337695
Belgian waffles are better.

>>156325923
A racist weeb.

>>156324441
>The case was brought by a Dutch group called the Free Subtitles Foundation, which sued Netherlands' anti-piracy BREIN to clarify if the creators of a TV show or movie can reserve the right to produce subtitles or if fans can create their own on fair use grounds.

KANKER BREIN ALTIJD WEER BREIN

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>>156338220
in your dreams. nothing comes even close to stroopwafels in this world.

>>156324441
I fucking hate my country at times.

>>156329193
[citation needed]

By that logic, you can translate Star Wars, then translate it back again, and then you can sell your own Star Wars books based on your own translation.

>>156324441
Shall we declare a truce with Islam to destroy the Dutch merchants together?

>>156325872
It's not fan art, though, it's tracing.

>>156338230
Fuck off ahmed

>>156333485
Why?

You never translate anything interesting, and your accounts are always "creative".

>>156324441
Dutch anons RIP

>>156338450
this is less depressing as when they banned shrooms though.

fucking retards bending over for america.

when will we get shrooms back ?

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>legalize sale of psychotic drugs
>ban free anime fansubs

Undeniable proof that weed rots your brain.

>>156338953
Hello soccer mom

Information control needs to end.

>>156338953
Explain the US.

Checkmate.

>>156338646
>You never translate anything interesting,
Like what?
>your accounts are always "creative".
What?

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>banning people from doing a free service
I guess they're forgetting about that time we gave them the free service of having their lineages not fucked up while they were visiting ottawa