Madoka Magica

She does get the good ending.

Yeah, in terms of character and suffering she really is ahead of all the other girls.

>>156301977
Would that be Kyoko or Homura?

>>156302113
Homura could have avoided all the suffering by not being retarded. Kyoko and Mami had bad luck with their lifes, so one of them.

>>156302276
>Homura could have avoided all the suffering by not being retarded
not really, all the shit you guys kept saying she should have done was done in the other timelines and didn't work.

>>156301977
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, OP.

>>156301977
I'm sure that this thread will work out daijoubu and not degenerate into a 400 post chain of two autists replying to each other through an endless series of proxies

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>>156301977
She was too smug, and I hate smug girls.

>>156301977
I like that Mami has been getting so much positive attention lately, Mami's Fans must finally be coming out of hiding.

>>156302276
>Homura could have avoided all the suffering by not being retarded
how

I showed my sister madoka magica and she said it was gay,
and now she thinks im gay.

>>156302710
should have wished for unlimited wishes

>>156302597
no new content, no new discussion, everything turns to shit

>>156302710
Solid shells.Waluigi Night counters explosive weaponry by setting it on (super) fire, causing it to denotation pre-maturely.

>>156302697
>Mami
>smug

>>156301977
Her happy ending being Homu's housewife.

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>>156302714
Faggot

>>156302056
Homura objectively suffered the most

>>156302759
Movie 4 when?

>>156302777
Yeah that would have saved it from the cylinder of 100,000 remote-activated mines that Homura detonated around it

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She was willing to lure her kohai to their deaths so she didn't have to be alone anymore. Mami is a cunt.

why didn't homura just used nuclear warheads against waluigi night?

>>156302855
At least Homura and everyone else gets to be happy in Homura's world

>>156301977
We need a thread everyday, huh?

>>156302938
>detonate 100 MT warhead to kill Walpurgis
>Madoka contracts with Kyuubey to repair the devastation or is killed in the blast

>>156302955
>everyone else gets to be happy in Homura's world
sayaka still got NTRd

>>156302998
Kyousuke was a fag anyway, its' her gain and Hitomi's loss

>>156303029
>Kyousuke was a fag anyway
she wouldn't have done better

>>156302998
She dodged a bullet, m8.

>>156302990
Yes. If we don't have at least one ACKemi shitpost fest a day then the heat death of the universe will only arrive sooner.

>>156303029
>Kyousuke was a fag anyway, its' her gain and Hitomi's loss
>Believing the Butcher's lies.

What is Homura going to do when Madoka eventually just dies of old age in Homura's new order? Allow her spirit to retake its' place along with the rest of the Cycle? Wasn't a normal life all she ever wanted Madoka to have anyway?

>>156303064
You need to calm down.

>>156302937
This, she perfectly knew the pain and risks of being a magical girl, yet she lured two innocent girls because she was lonely.

>>156303072
m8 I don't have to believe anything, you see with your own eyes how much of a shit he is in Rebellion

Who is the stronger fighter: Mami or Kyoko?

>>156303321
Stronger as in actual strength? Kyoko.
Over all more experienced? Mami.

>>156303360
who's the prettiest?

>>156303431
In my honest, humble opinion:Mami, with her hair in a ponytail or with it down.

>>156303431
Kyouko

>>156302792
Her smugness is so subtle that only a gentleman like myself can perceive it.
She's smug as fuck in the OP picture for example.

>>156303529
Shit he's right, now I'm seeing it.

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>>156302792

>mami
>not smug

like >>156303529 said
she's a classy girl

What was the point of the spool of thread they threw everywhere in Rebellion?

>>156302706
Whats not to like. Smart , cute, has a good head on her shoulders

>>156303603
read thread of fate cliche maybey?

>>156302896
Combined with its ridiculous armour and literal power over fire, yeah. That would have saved it. You literally cannot take it down without Anti-Fortress shit.

>>156301977
Why feel bad for Mami? Imagine how terrible it is for Kyouko, getting forcibly paired with the shittiest possible girl for the sake of the fans. Sayaka was a mistake.

>>156301977
I want Mami to give me a happy ending.

>>156302714
that's why you show normalfags the movies because it gets to the point much faster than "you gotta watch the first 3 episodes and then it'll get darker"

If QB has been known to prey on girls who are victims of war why haven't any of them wished to end it?

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>>156303897
>forcibly paired
>for the fans sake
>shittiest girl
Sure, because there was a huge crowd over the pair before episode 9.
And Kyouko devoted herself to Sayaka in the first place,

>>156304299
>sayaka drowning
>kyoko is all like ha scrub!

>>156301977
But who does Mami end up with?

>>156304573
madokas little brother

>>156304573

Me.

>>156304664
Are you a cute 2D girl?

>>156304377
Yeah.

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is she still your favorite?
do you still love her the same way you did 6 years ago?

>>156304573
The crushing despair of perpetual loneliness.

Mami is best girl

>>156306303
>6 years ago
Thanks for the reminder

>>156301977
She got her happy ending in Rebellion, tho.

>>156309068
>happy ending that's about to get BTFO

>>156304285
Most of them can't just wish for anything they want, they probably weren't strong/influential enough

>>156306779
prove it

Did they ever say how long Homura spent reversing time?

>>156310321
Urobuchi said around 100 times in an interview, but it was never directly stated in the show itself.

>>156302990
There's a series of rewatch threads on Reddit, and a handful of people watching for the first time because of them. It wouldn't be inconceivable for a few to make or participate in threads here.

Is there a place to find the manga?

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>>156309115
She was already BTFO at the beginning

>>156310478
>spends almost 9 years in a month long time loop
how is it even possible to have that much resolve?

>>156311386
Be a batshit crazy dyke in absolute and utter denial.

>>156311386
It's that or give up (die).

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Serious question lads,

If Mami had been in a time loop instead of Homura, how would the series have changed?

>>156313364
She'd kill herself sometime in the second loop.

What's the appeal of Mami such that she gets constant threads on /a/ even in 2017? There are girls with bigger titties and longer drills out there

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>>156313571
It was never about the tits, man... It goes so much deeper than you can understand.

>>156313364
>>156313662
Just a reminder that she is 14 years old.

>>156313571

she's so likeable the people who hate/dislike her are the weirdos

>>156313726
muskets are 300 year old technology

>>156313726
She's 15. She's a grade higher than the rest of the girls.

>>156301977
She's a dirty friend killer and deserved everything that happened to her.

>>156313726
Please stop reminding me, and >>156313853
is correct, she is 15.

>>156313892
There is nothing wrong with killing witches, friendo

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>>156302937
After all these years I still don't know if people are really this retarded or just trolling

>>156314496
>Show actually calls Mami out on this
>A-anon is a retard for calling Mami out on this

>>156314496
but it's correct. she is the most morally questionable meguka

How does one go about fixing Sayaka's self-esteem?

I don't get why people cream over this side character

The problem is capitalism

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>>156314595
So retarded then, she's basically giving advice to someone that was recruited to join the army, is QB the one that is trying to force them to join, also
>she is the most morally questionable meguka
That would be Homura, dumbfuck

>>156314763
wait ten years

>>156314854
>That would be Homura, dumbfuck
"no"

>>156314854
>That would be Homura, dumbfuck
*Kyouko

>>156314801
>Implying OP isn't jut a tripfag who got their trip banned.

>>156302937
>>156303186
Mami had no choice but to b come a meguca, trashayka and Madoka had a choice and one of them was even whiling to wish for a goddamn cake, the other a retard, chose to heal some faggot who didn't even like her.

Mami showed them what was like to be a magical girl, and yes she did ecurage them but at no point did she force them.

It's like these turbofags weren't even fucking watching.

>>156314886
>>156314896
Oh wow, fucking delusional and no is not Kyouko, she only suggest to harm the person you love in order to make them yours, Homura actually fucking do it.

>>156315015
>Kyoko dindu nuffin, there's nothing wrong with letting familiars eat innocent people so that you can use them like a farm and there's also nothing wrong with hoarding excess grief seeds like a dragon so that all the other magical girls around you become witches in the resulting grief seed drought!
fuck off

>>156315015
But Kyouko spent the series beating up Sayaka.

>>156315014
Rewatch the first part of episode 3. Mami is clearly mad to be the one in the wrong there.

>>156315066
I didn't say she did nothing wrong, I say she's not the most morally questionable meguca, and you forget the part at the end of the movie where Homura permit and control the whole system where innocent girl are killed

>>156315080
>Destroy the thing you love to make it dependent on you
>Kyouko spends the series breaking Sayaka
Find something new every time with this series.

>>156315198
Homura did nothing wrong

>>156315066
>>156315198
There's nothing morally questionable about Kyouko's actions. She's just flat out wrong.

>>156315202
Kill yourself, yurifag

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>>156313571
>>156313662
>>156314801
Mami is seen as a sympathetic character who tried to protect people and live up to a heroic ideal despite being lonely and wanting true companionship. Her death also shows how serious being a magical girl was. And she kicks a lot of ass and uses ribbons and muskets as weapons, that is really cool. I won't lie to you though, being an incredibly sexy blonde 15 year old with big breasts (though fan art does exaggerate it too much) certainly helps as well

>>156315202
not really, it was more sayaka destroying herself

>>156315066
Sounds like the smartest way of doing things to be honest.

>>156315273
Kyoko/Sayaka is as canon as you can possibly get without Shaft releasing official art of the two of them scissoring, their character song has them professing their love and everything

>>156315331
Poor Kyouko getting stuck with such a shitty retarded cunt.

>>156315296
She;s completely forgettable. If you haven't read The Different Story, there's little to nothing to sympathize with.

>>156315331
Kill yourself, yurifag

>>156315359
no u

>>156315303
You going to pretend Kyouko had absolutely no role in breaking Sayaka?

>>156315396
no, kyoko just fires her up and strengthens her resolve, and she backs off after the body reveal. sayaka's issues were all internal

Hitomi did nothing wrong and has nothing to apologize for regarding how she stole Kyousuke out from under Sayaka. She gave her 24 hours to make a move first knowing full well that doing that could result in her being NTRd, that's maximum chivalry

>>156315303
>Kyouko appears as Sayaka's polar opposite value wise
>Proceeds to beat the shit out of Sayaka
>Is better than Sayaka in every way
>Admits to Kyouko that she was right about the world
Sayaka would have broken even without the NTR. That was just Butcher being a bully.

>>156315396
Yes, is Sayaka that always break herself because she's a fucking coward and a phony, the games also support this

>>156315485
When was this ever being disputed? Everyone already knows Hitomi and Kyousuke both did nothing wrong. Sayaka was just fucking retarded.

>>156315499
Name a single route where Kyouko does not appear in which Sayaka witches out. Name a single manga where it happens. You can't because Kyouko's role is to shit on Sayaka.

>>156315487
>>Admits to Kyouko that she was right about the world
this doesn't happen? even the two's last discussion at the church shows them disagreeing (with kyoko sounding reasonable but actually being wrong, as usual)

>>156315487
Are you dumb? The thing that broke Sayaka was Kyousuke choosing Hitomi over her, and Sayaka's subsequent realization that her wish actually was selfish at its' core since she was expecting reward sex. She couldn't deal with the fact that her pretensions of being a hero of justice were false and that she was just as selfish as everyone else on the inside, and it caused a spiral of depression that terminated in her witching.

>>156315590
Nigga you're a fucking retard, the reason of why Sayaka despair is because she's a fucking coward that can't confess her feeling for violinfag, Kyouko don't play a part in any of that

>>156315625
not exactly. she always knew that the kyouske wish was mixed, but hoped she could both be a hero of justice (she did genuinely want to help people) and get him anyway.

it wasn't that her pretensions were false, she just wasn't strong enough to actually do it, and came to see it as an ultimately pointless cause. she loses him, then her purpose, then gives up.

How do you spend the time in magical girl heaven without getting bored?

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>>156315927
You fuck other magical girl

>>156315927
Maybe they duel eachother.
Who fucking knows. We don't know shit.

>>156315994
But what if you're straight and have no interest in girls? Can Madokami conjure up fake guys?

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>>156316109
>magical girl
>straight

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>>156316159
>Yeah. There's no way females would have any interest in boys, right? They're all lesbians. My dick says so!
t. /u/

>>156316159
>Mami
>gay

>>156316248
>he says as he posts the gayest non-bully witch in Luna Nova

>>156314854
There's no morals to question here, Homura wants to be with Madoka, and that's what she's going to do. Anyone and anything that gets in her way, including Madoka, is to be defeated or subdued. Morals have nothing to do with it, Homura does it because she wants to.

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>>156316248
Magical girl are always lesbian, even when they are boys, this is a law of the universe

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>>156316277
Take off the goggles and maybe you'll actually understand the plot of the shows you watch.

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>>156316345
So, are you saying that is not morally wrong to kidnap, trap her in your basement and then rape the girl you like against her will?

>>156316523
Madoka violated the NAP first by stealing Homura's heart.

>>156316523
I think he's saying Homura did what she did because she wanted to and not because she felt a moral obligation to do so.

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No enough Mami in this thread

>>156316109
Straight girls aren't pure, therefore they have no potential to become magical girls

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>>156316718
I'll post some Mami too.

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>>156316801
You suck at this

Is it even possible for Homura and Madoka to be happy at the same time in a post-Rebellion world? Sure being God had its drawbacks but it gave Madoka purpose and an indispensable place in the world which is what she craved above absolutely all else.

>>156306303
How old were they again? I ask because Mani got so!e pretty good sized tits

>>156316852
seeing Mami swear feels wrong

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>>156316852
I didn't have the whole page, just saved something someone else posted. Thank you.

>>156316523
Like I said, morals never factored into the equation. I don't think I would do that, but if I did, I would, and morals wouldn't prevent her hymen from breaking, if you'll excuse the edge.

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More best girl when?

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>>156316859
Of course they would and if they don't Homura would just erase her memory and try again

>>156316929
Apple-chan is banned until the 26 so no kyoposter

Just finished the TV series.

How she became a god, it doesn't even make sense given the context of her wish. Can't she wish for the extermination of all witches past, present and future but WITHOUT becoming god?

>>156317359
I believe there was another Magi who did that, and they were from another planet. They still became a Magi, and they still became a witch. The System is not that easy to break, lest you have the power to break it.

>>156317390
But then it's not a wish any more, if the actual thing you are wishing for doesn't come true.

>>156317359
She wished to do it by her own hands, or something like that

>>156317493
But why? Isn't that just extra suffering?

She should have made the wish but without the "with her own hands" part tacked on.

>>156317421
Congrats, you've learned an important lesson most people on here don't seem to know. The Incubators actually do lie from time to time.

Although in another case, some strange Frankenstein girl wishes to be a normal girl, and Kyubei literally tells her it won't work because she'll just become a Magi from the wish.

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>>156317359
Her wish without a conscience wouldn't be different from Gretchen, Madoka objective is no simplemente eliminate the witches but also save the girls, note that the afterlife she create is not part of her wish

>>156317534
Because at her core, in addition to helping people, she wants to be powerful and have a sense of purpose

It's an extension of the almost-wish early on to become a magical girl just for the sake of it

>>156317633
> in addition to helping people, she wants to be powerful and have a sense of purpose

Wasn't everyone saying it was "worse than death"? Being eternal seems like suffering.

>>156317717
Nobody says that, faggot

>>156317717
>Being eternal seems like suffering.
You get used to it. Ascending your Humanity tends to, atleast classically/traditionally, help you get over the "I need things to constantly be different" thing.

>>156317717
She doesn't think it'll be that way and feels compelled to do so

>>156317775
I think at least one of them does at the end

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>>156317775
it's said at least once

>>156317359
>all witches dissappear
>including her
that's why.

>>156317812
No, nobody says that, nobody is suffering in yuri valhalla, that was only in Homura head

>>156317837
That was about Madoka being a concept, not about yuri valhalla

>>156317913
>That was about Madoka being a concept, not about yuri valhalla
Technically she's the personification of a concept. That's technically superior because now that concept has been given form, consciousness, and the ability make itself manifest by its will alone. In reality she could have visited her friends and family whenever she wanted.

>>156317895
But she "disappeared" anyway so it doesn't really matter.

>>156317913
The reply chain is talking about being a concept, not heaven.

>>156317959
But she ended up not disappearing either however.

I suppose the last reason you can have for her becoming god instead of just having all witches disappear is so that she can take away the guilt of the girls before they go away.

Why didn't she just have them turn back to normal instead? It's implied Sayaka could've been brought back.

>>156318018
>I wish for the extermination of all witches, including their guilt.

>>156318096
There is a big difference between madoka taking it away and it just going away, both interms of how the girls would feel in those final moments and what happens to the guilt.

>>156318140
So she ascended into a conceptual being and endured a fate worse than death for all of eternity, just to relieve the guilt of literally 4 people?

damn, that has got to suck.

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>>156318221
>literally 4 people

>>156302028
this

>>156318221
>4 people
Every witch in the show was a Magical Girl before, and it was even said that Walpurgisnacht was the fusion of multiple witches.

Suffices to say that without post-timetravel Madoka becoming a witch there would be a need for a huge amount of witches to be created just to come close to that amount of energy that the incubators want. It's why they have been there since the very start turning girls into magical girls, and why they still want to be able to get a girl to turn into a witch in the new universe even when defeating wraiths supposedly gives energy too.

>>156304120
no i meant that literally as in homosexual.

>>156317554
They are lying by omission.

>>156316546
Underrated post

>>156318221
>hanging out with your best bud magical girls for all eternity in a heaven of your own making is a fate worse than death
"no"

>>156322271
So it's only 10? That'd make more sense regarding Homura's social incompetence (but less sense as for how she could get and master all these weapons, which could've been a cool anime in itself)

>>156322271
Can Homura send herself back "early" or is she forced to wait until Walpurgisnacht even if she fails and Madoka contracts on like day 2 of that cycle?

>>156322579
It's heavily hinted at that Madoka is eternally suffering because muh concept. >>156317837

Not sure how Rebellion fits into that. But saying Madoka just becomes a chill god who hangs out makes her wish meaningless.

>>156322700
She uses her shield to loop, so I assume it has nothing to do with wallburger. She was about to loop again during her fight with it.

>>156322713
Madoka destroyed her own despair along with everyone else's when she made her wish, she's not Sayaka-tier. Besides that Rebellion implies that Sayaka and the other girls that she saves interact with her as conscious entities in her heaven, she's not alone up there. What pained Madoka about the idea of being God was being separated from her family, but nothing is perfect.

>>156322779
She killed Gretchen but that doesn't mean she's happy. She doesn't need to despair to go Gretchen in ep 10.

Plus, from a writing point of view, a non-suffering Madokami who's only separated from mom and dad has much less weight than Madoka devoting herself to the point of taking the burden even after death. Hinting at that with the "fate worse than death" quote and then just making her hang out with friends in some fluffy heaven doesn't make much sense.

>>156322892
>then just making her hang out with friends in some fluffy heaven doesn't make much sense.
But that is literally what she is doing, she forged an actual, literal, heaven for magical girls to enjoy after they die. Sayaka says this explicitly and it's why she is so asshurt at Homura at the end of Rebellion, she was mad that she was torn from heaven and was scared that Homura had destroyed it. It's even structured like heaven, with people like Sayaka and Nagisa serving as archangels to Madoka's god.

If you listen to Madoka's character song, https://youtube.com/watch?v=__q9fsZa5vk
Madoka's regret about becoming God is all the people that she'll be leaving behind forever as a consequence of doing so, and the ever-present self worth issues that she can never escape even after ascending to actual godhood.

>>156315485
You're right. Why, she took a bullet for her. Truly a good friend.

>>156323078
>Sayaka says this explicitly and it's why she is so asshurt at Homura at the end of Rebellion, she was mad that she was torn from heaven and was scared that Homura had destroyed it
Not really. It's only implied she was working for Madoka and around her.

In any case, it'd suck writing-wise and contradict what the plot implied in ep 12 while also erasing the ambiguity of Homura's choice.
It'd be really shit.

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>>156315354
Seems happy to me.

>>156322713
>It's heavily hinted at that Madoka is eternally suffering because muh concept
No, that's just Mami opinion which Madoka in that same scene says is wrong, and says multiple times in the final episode and movie is wrong

>>156323192
Madoka doesn't say Mami is wrong in the sense that there wouldn't be suffering.

>>156323172
How is what you just wrote meant to disprove the idea that there is a magical girl heaven out there where everyone is hanging out like judeo-christian angels? Because by the time that you see Sayaka and Nagisa descending onto the mortals in a heavenly carriage pulled by Walpurgis familiars this should have been clear.

>Homura's wish
If you actually listened to the link I posted what should be obvious to you is that despite Madoka's power and companionship with her charges in heaven, she misses her life back on earth. She misses her family, misses going to school, misses her innocence. She still doesn't think that she's doing enough to help or that she's made herself useful enough to others. These are all things that Homura gifted her.

In addition, Homura is emotionally compromised and in all the conversations she has with Madoka about her choice she leads Madoka's words to fit her own conclusions.
>I had a dream where you disappeared and nobody remembered you except me and it was unbearably lonely
>Yeah that sucks I would never abandon you, Homura
>YOU BITCH

>sorry for the wait Homura, now lets go and hang out in heaven together for the rest of time
>lol no, you will become again the cinnamon roll you once were and you will like it

>>156323712
>christian symbolism
Doesn't mean shit. See Eva.
>chara song
Missing her previous life doesn't mean that's the only thing she's missing.

>In addition, Homura is emotionally compromised and in all the conversations she has with Madoka about her choice she leads Madoka's words to fit her own conclusions.
That's also what Mami said.
>That wont be nice like death. You'll be fighting forever and become a concept
>That's fine. That was my plan.

>>156323771
>Missing her previous life doesn't mean that's the only thing she's missing
Ok, show me what else she's missing, with screenshot preferably

>>156323915
Being a member of the universe instead of an eternal universe law/concept.

>>156323771
>see Eva
you get to pull that card when you show me an interview with Urobochi admitting that he threw it in just to look cool like Anno did. Otherwise fuck off. Unless, of course, you could provide something to refute the clear evidence that people saved by Madoka are conscious entities in her afterlife who maintain regular communications with each other and with Madoka.

>muh concept argument again
She's still a thinking, conscious being who has the ability to converse with and order around the people she brings into the Cycle with her. If you think that she is somehow an unthinking rule of nature you're wrong not only because the show shows you explicitly that you're wrong, but also because the cycle's consciousness is the exact thing that Homura stole. If you think that she's perpetually isolated as God without contact from anyone for eternity you're also wrong because she has her fellow magical girls set up as servants that do her bidding. Which, by definition, she would need to be able to talk to them in order to give those orders.

>>156323929
How the fuck is that any different of what the other anon say?

>>156323948
>you get to pull that card when you show me an interview with Urobochi admitting that he threw it in just to look cool like Anno did
No need for that. Symbolism is easy to read as whatever you want.

>If you think that she is somehow an unthinking rule of nature
>If you think that she's perpetually isolated as God without contact from anyone for eternity
I haven't said any of that. I just don't think she's just chilling with friends and that the wish takes a toll on her.

>>156323771
Also the quote from God Madoka to Homura in the naked hug
>but won't it be hard for you, being alone?
>I won't be alone, Homura, I'll have everyone with me!

>>156324048
Yeah, she also says she'll meet with Homu again.

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>>156324031
The toll that the wish takes on her is her regret over abandoning her earthly friends and family (which the brief conversation she has with her mom just before contracting makes abundantly clear), and her insecurities that force her to think that she's never doing enough to help and that she's letting people down. It has nothing to do with whether or not she's alone in heaven.

>>156324098
That would have gone 100% according to plan if Homura didn't devil up.

>>156324031
Yes, the toll is that she miss her family and the people she left behind but she know what she was signing and is ok with it, are you retarded?

>>156324135
>The toll that the wish takes on her is her regret over abandoning her earthly friends and family
And I don't think that's the only downside there is. That's way too nice compared to what the characters said and implied, by saying that fate was worse than death and putting the emphasis on the fact Madoka wasn't a member of the universe anymore.

You can't go Jesus Christ if the only tangible sacrifice is "goodbye mom and dad"

>>156324220
>And I don't think that's the only downside there is
You still haven't shown any evidence to support that and again that "worse than death" was just Mami opinion

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>>156324330
That's also Homura's. And the only answer that Madoka gives is "no because at least I got to know the suffering you've been through in all these timelines".

Also that's not just Mami's opinion when Madoka answered fucking YES to that.

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>Being a magical girl is suffering
>but everyone is happy in the end
>even those that died
???

>>156324220
Yeah maybe because cutting yourself off from the physical universe is a neverending existential crisis, you think? It all ties back into Madoka missing her earthly existence, she's imprisoned herself in heaven and can never again do things like "walk around enjoying the sun" or "have a normal existence" or "just talk to people." Her cage is one of her own making, and it is gilded and comes with infinite cellmates but it is still and cage. Not to mention having to watch all your loved ones forget your existence and being unable to fix it is terrifying.

Madoka has two conflicting desires: to have a normal quiet life, and to be important, wanted by others, and useful. She sacrificed the former to attain the latter and it eats at her

>>156324373
>And the only answer that Madoka gives is "no because at least I got to know the suffering you've been through in all these timelines".

This is literally how it's written in the production notes for the show. Shinbo himself thought the series ending is worse than Rebellion's ending and Urobuchi fucking agreed with him.

I'm tired of fucking fans like >>156324330 that arguing with direct quotes from the show and the creators.

>>156325377
This is also reiterated in the concept movie trailer.

>>156316871
Mami was 15 years old, the tits are compatible.

>>156326024
That still doesn't change the fact that God Madoka's suffering stems from the existential crisis of being severed from the rest of the universe and her forfeiting of a normal life with normal friends and family, not from the idea that she isn't conscious in her heaven or cannot interact with the magical girls that she saved. The whole point is that their company is an inadequate substitute for what she gave up, and that what Madoka wants, despite all her power, companions in heaven, and utility to others, is a second chance at living in Mikitahara without the burden of fighting for others souls for literally forever. I would say that she has made peace with her decision and is ultimately OK with her role as God, but she definitely has regrets, big ones at that. What Homura did was give her that 2nd chance. The conflict is that Madoka craves being important and valuable to others even if it costs her her own dreams to accomplish, so she would ultimately disagree with being handed tthe opportunity to live out her free do-over at being a not-magical girl if given the choice. Unless movie 4 ends with Madoka submitting to Homura's wishes and allowing herself one bullshit-free lifetime with her family before retaking her place at the helm of the Cycle.

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>>156301977
I am glad that Mami has a cute daughteru now. She does not need to be alone anymore. That must make her very happy.

>>156326757
Die cheesy moron!