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He is testing humanity, right? They need to reject this first gift because the potential problems would be too great?
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>>156207252
cube is best
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>>156207252
I'm trying to figure out what he gains out of all of this.
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>>156207252
I like the theory someone had in the last thread, that the plane and it's252 passengers are an "ark" and everyone outside Kado will die.
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>>156207252
>infinite energy
>produced by touching balls
Sorry, but ZaWarudo will have to go back to his gay dimension. Humanity just can not accept a gift like this.
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>>156208636
Is it gay if he has no concept of gender?
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>>156208588
Good theory.
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So is this show like CGI Gatchaman Crowds with less superheroes and even more politics?

And is the CGI bad or at least bearable like in Ajin?
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wew
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>>156208582
He's got a lot of bread and humanity is starving.
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>>156208830
god i hate her noises and voice
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very similar to Arrival movie
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>>156208795

I wasn't going to watch it because of the CG, but I came around to it. It's not bad at all but it takes some getting used to.

Given how poorly Toei normally animates 2D shows, making Kado 3D was probably for the best.
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>>156208967
Tsukai a cute.
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>>156208967
CUUTE! my waifu!
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THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
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ABSOLUTELY MAD
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>>156207252
There are no problems a bit of bromance cant fix
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B R E A D
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>>156209099
That looked so strange in the preview. At least they're trying?
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>>156208582
Pan
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>>156209056

> less than 30fps
> 1080i
> nearly dead battery

I can't help it, I'm so upset.
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>Nippon is the country most likely to share bread
Sasuga nippon.
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I think that everyone on the whole plane actually died when they entered the cube and the 'translation' is zaShunina mathematically translating their dead minds over into a new body like his.
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>>156209435
Note that he constantly referred to the "region" and never said anything about Japan.
For all we know, the region might just be the plane.
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She's too cute to be in this fujobait show
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Somebody please make the paper transparent, this looks usable.
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>>156208877
don't hate on rie kugimiya
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I need someone to lewd Space Jesus with his detachable limbs.
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>>156208877

She's annoying but has mercifully not taken up much screen time. I feel like she exists because Hanamori isn't lively enough for the rest of the cast and they need something for otaku to latch on to. Between her, negotiator-chan, and OL-san they have the trifecta of genki, typical, and ara-ara otaku bait.
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>>156209099
They look so angry as they hug.
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>>156210403
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>>156210403
Thanks, fampai
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>>156210403
Why was it deleted?
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>>156211176
fucked up the text
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>Landing in Japan because of muh sharing
>Not in US/Russia/China or the Scandinavian countries

Literally Japanese propaganda
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bread is pretty delicious desu
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>>156211655
>folded that steel over 1000 times
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>Its a "Nippon is the greatest country in the world" episode
Japanese are fucking delusional if they think their government wouldnt keep all those Wam to themselves
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>Balls literally touching
Might as well label it a s BL already
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So this guy is able to bring in infinite source of energy which would make life easier for everybody and help save the planet. What if he already knows that the planet is doomed by humanity and is trying to save it?
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>>156211655
>Literally Japanese propaganda
Yeah, that was my reaction to "Japanese are the most generous people on the planet!" considering their society is currently dying because the lower classes are being literally worked to death to the point where they can't even fit in having kids anymore.
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>>156211916
>Infinite energy balls
>Of the ego stroke of """"""saving"""""" the humanity
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>>156207252
>the potential problems would be too great
What problems would there be? Anything I can think of could only be caused by scarcity, which wouldn't be a factor here.
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I'm still of the opinion that the apparent propaganda is a red herring. zaShunina refers to the region having the greatest concentration of...whatever it was, but we don't know how big that "region" is. It might not be any larger than, say, an airplane.
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United States or China will mobilize military to steal the testicles of zeus

Screencap this
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>>156213249
No point screencapping the obvious, especially after this episode went full NIPPON SEKAI ICHI
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>>156212857
The lack of competition for resources might lead to people losing their jobs, for one. Long term: possible overpopulation of the planet
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>>156211655
>created by an animation studio in JAPAN
What do you guys even want people from a country to do? Create stories that caters outside of their own country?
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>creating an account just to unlike a video you don't like
Who does this?
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I'm going to be so disappointed if this show goes full propaganda. It's AoTS so far, but if they pull a JAPAN IS THE GREATEST AND MOST GENEROUS COUNTRY it's going to leave a really bitter taste in my mouth.
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>>156213452
Even one of the government dudes kinda rejected his reasoning, so I hope it won't go in that direction.
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>>156208582
The Answer.
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>>156213422
me
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>>156211176
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>>156211655
>US/Russia/China
Too dangerous
>Scandinavian countries
Bunch of cucks
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>>156213660
>cucks
Sounds like you're not a sharer!
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>>156213452
Why are you upset with the truth?
US, Russia and china would not share and will start full world war efforts immediately.
Any other country doesn't even matter.
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The Right Answer is that all communication is nothing more than one organism's attempt to hack the brain of another into a more controllable state.
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>>156213758
Okay now it ALL makes sense

Japan truly is the land of "sharing"

So zawarudo likes to be a bull
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>>156213830
It's got more to do with the nature of propaganda itself, not that Japan is the subject of said propaganda.
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>>156208582
he wants to prepare us from a multiversal threat.
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>>156207252
I was expecting him to say he chose Japan because the barrier between our dimension and his is weakest there because of the nukes.
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>>156209099
>today we stop being virgins.
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>>156211655
>China
>sharing
nigga have you been watching the news?
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>>156207252
but that also means we're afraid to advance. I think the right answer is how we use and share that gift.
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>>156213830
Literally no country would share. They would try to abuse their monopoly of infinite energy to advance their nation's interests and become the dominant super power.

Only way it'd possible work is if the alien went around giving balls to every single nation so every single nation could be energy independent.
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Will there be an episode where "pilgrims" and "tinfoilhat-fags" go and visit the Kado?
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>>156213975
That'd be silly since the nukes that got dropped on Japan were magnitudes weaker than hydrogen bomb tests in the decades that followed. So test sites got it way worse than they ever did.
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>>156214172
but it would be stupid to act like that in this case.
Having infinite energy for such a short period wouldn't make you invisible. If the world decided to gang up on you or just nuke you, you'd be fucked.
Also the alien made it clear that he wanted to the energy to be shared. If the host country begins to deliberately misuse his gifts he could probably take them all back in seconds and vaporize those responsible.

Was the plot of episode 0 suppose to show the sharing nature of the Japanese?
Shindo going out of his way to help the factory and the politician misusing public funds to give his friend a retirement package?
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>>156214172
Any small country would be fine. They would be pretty much forced to give out the balls or risk getting completely destroyed.

If you share equally you still get infinite energy, plus everyone else will get theirs so they won't bother you anymore.
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So, you get Infinite Energy now what?
Fully Automated Luxury Communism?
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>>156214838
people will just find new things to want.
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>>156209232
Normal recordings are always at 29.97-29.98 fps because when it gets played back there's fractions of seconds in between each frame, and if you actually recorded at 30 fps flat then played it back there'd be occasional micro-jumps where it'd skip a frame.
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I need lewds of Space Jesus's detachable limbs.
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>>156214838
>finally make gundam
>space exploration is a go
>arab states lose their oil power = less terrorists
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>>156211176
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>>156211655
it was handled nicely imo
the one guy says "any human would do that"
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pan
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respect ramiel
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The guy on the left's face
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>>156215492
the guy on the right's eyes
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Found a thing on Twitter
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>>156209232
As somebody who edited for somebody with a TV show, I can tell you 30 fps at 1080i is standard but some stations want it at like 59.6fps at 1080i then it gets down scaled to 30fps later on.

Being a video elitist in the beginning before actually working in the real world, I felt disgusted seeing 30 at 1080i but industry standards is industry standard and if you can't follow that you won't get anywhere. But I digress, were in this image boards full of unemployed manbabies.
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Next week can't come fast enough.
I can't recall the last time I've been this hyped for a series.
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Anyone figure out cube code?
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I might draw some lewds for this show. Any preferences?
First on the agenda is something involving detachable body parts.
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>>156215203
>implying they wouldn't try to blow up satan's energy balls and everyone who uses them
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>>156208582
His species has an inherent concept of sharing if they have too much of something. He's not losing anything, so he can offer stuff pro bono.
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>>156213452
Nobody said Japan is the greatest, you insecure fucks. His reasoning was that they're prosperous enough to be inclined to share without encountering much internal opposition.
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>>156215203
Don't forget Russia, too. Space Jesus' energy balls mean the current Russia becomes poor as fuck and entirely irrelevant.
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I hope there's a coup in the Japanese government
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>>156217111
Over what?
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>>156217131
The Interior, police and intelligence service think this homolust has gone on for long enough
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>>156217131
Who gets to pound the aliens butt first
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Is this Arrival: The Anime?
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>"Mankind, I want you to choose the right answer"
It's most certainly a test.
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>>156217269
No, it's Childhood's End: The Anime.
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Is our discussing the show and throwing out theories (thus always thinking) what zaShunina wants?
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>>156208582
>>156208588
I won't say the ark thing didn't seem like a possibility, considering how odd the whole "I can let you out in 2.5 hours, but I'll wait on the rest until I can get them out all at once" thing was, but after this episode, I think we can take him at face value, if for no other reason than that the characters are all doing so to an unrealistic degree. It'd be really bad writing to have none of the characters have any doubts about "Yeah, I absorbed them by accident, they'll be back in a month," if it was going to turn out to be a lie.
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>>156207252
Infinite energy is not the "advancement" Yaha means. How humanity responds to and resolves the sudden conflict, and how they grow as a result will be his "advancement."
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>>156217771
He also said that other aspects of humanity need advancement too, including their language.
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>>156217737
zaShunina has been entirely earnest and straightforward so far, to the point we would call him autistic if he were human. I don't think there's any reason to doubt his good intentions; the question is how humanity is going to deal with it. As Tsukai said, humans are complicated.
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>>156217460
Mankind's learning process itself is the answer in this case.
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>>156217250
Those guys in foreign affairs keep hogging him down in their office
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>>156216178
I realize you're probably a fujo/fudanshi, but on the off chance you aren't (or feel generous), I'd love some Tsukai. Pic related got me.

>>156213563
>every human would share infinite food if they had it
>no one would try to use it as leverage or anything
That was some pretty extreme idealism/naivete to be coming from a high-ranking bureaucrat, though. I think part of the point was probably to highlight that guy's own goodness as an example of why zaShunina chose them.
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>>156218184
sleeping now, I'll see what I can do in the morning.
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So did zaShunina's mind rape do something to Shinjo.
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>>156218300
Oh shit, nice catch.
Also, shouldn't Yaha be in the other chair?
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>the answer is friendship
>he leaves and humans have the same technology
When will you drop the show?
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>>156218184
It's not that absurd. Google reciprocal altruism; many Earth's organisms are naturally inclined to help others as long as they expect the others would help them in return. If this sharing or help doesn't cost much, it occurs quite often.
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>>156218354
That's before he sits down.

>>156218300
Pretty sure it didn't. That'd be sort of odd given the tone so far, and the stuff Tsukai was commenting on was pretty in-character for Shindo anyway. If it's hinting at anything, its probably at whatever zaShunina told Shindo about his goals.

>>156218401
I guess that's fair, maybe I'm just trying too hard to be cynical here.
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>>156218300
zaShunina's natural communication involves some sort of synaesthestic experience. The mindrape gave Shindo a glimpse of his mind and presumably assured him of his sincerity. Plus, those two have a natural affinity (>>156218135) that Shindo never had with humans, so he's fond of ZaShunina for that reason too.
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>>156217250
How do you pound higher-dimensional matter?
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[THE HEART]
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>>156219318
Fixed some crap
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WTF, I love my space Jesus now.
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>>156219679
Space Jesus a cute.
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>>156207252
>potential problems
>infinite energy
>no more problems = potential problems

Isn't that kinda backwards? One of the biggest problems of humanity, finite energy, will totally be no more. How is that a problem?
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>>156220134
>building all your infrastructure around completely alien device

Only retard would do that.
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>>156220347
>>building all your infrastructure around finite dinosaur remains

Only retard would do that.
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>>156220403
Well yeah.
That is why people are pushing for reneawable and nuclear.
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>3d
I really want to watch this, how bad is the 3d
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>>156220347
We're tolerating religious crazies, terrorism sponsors and shit stirring dictatorships simply to keep the fossil fuel market stable. Alien devices would be a clear improvement.
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>>156220505
Honestly not bad at all. The cube looks beautiful and CG saves us from the infamous Toei QUALITY.
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>>156220512
That is interesting argument.
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I have a bad feeling about this. Last year we said "This is AOTS" etc enthusiastically while watching Mayoiga.
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>>156220623
Kill yourself.
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>>156220623
>script by Mari Okada
>Blood-C director
The only expectations for Mayoiga were that it'd be the trainwreck of the season.
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>>156220623
I think you completely misunderstood Mayoiga threads. People were hyped over it because they thought it would be an entertaining train wreck and a 'wild ride', not because there was any indication it would be good. It ended up just being boring, but it never had any substance to begin with.

This is actually pretty good and doesn't seem like a train wreck at all.
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Jesus will come and he will give us batteries.
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>>156220623
No, we fucking didn't, you dumb faggot. People were watching Mayoiga looking for Another threads 2.0 from the get-go.
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>>156221563
Don't talk shit of Another. It's a fuckin' great ride. Also the aunt is the dead.
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>>156220505
It's not bad because most scenes are discussions. And 3D is needed here for the animation of that cube.
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Are the 252 passengers really alive? What if Shindo-san was created on the spot by that space Jesus as a communication device?
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>>156220512
Atheist please, earth would already be one step to alien cube technology if Islam wasn't constantly targeted.
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>>156221994
I think they are alive.
Remember that cube come from a higher dimension.
It's "physics" is different since it's on a higher plane.

Your body, flesh, blood, thoughts, experiences, etc. are just data to that cube.
It can replicate you.
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WAM?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pVNvSuA2mM
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>>156222172
If you are processed atom by atom into jesus-land are you still you?
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>>156222217
Yes.
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>as day 2 post-cube comes to a close, the United States Navy is still not present and there are no American diplomats bending the nippon diet's wills
>not even a mention or note of China trying to strongarm their way in onto the scene

This is unrealistic as fuck.
The cube would've been on fucking lockdown with American black tape within 2 hours of it touching down and both China and Russia would be having a shitfit due to proximity and wanting to be in on the action.

Even worse that assistant thought that a Type 10's APFSDS round couldn't penetrate the cube made it god-worthy.
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Why is everyone always dropping bombs when it come to this type of stories.
>>156221994
If the were created by space Jesus then why would there be need to create food and water for them. Space Jesus doesn't even know how to communicate with human, I doubt he'd know they need food and water to survive..
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>>156209005
With this episode it's clear that 3D was a stylistic choice for all the space-magic stuff so it's fine.
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>>156208582
What did Prometheus gained by giving fire to mankind?

Besides an eternity of torture, of course.
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>>156211655
It landed in Japan because it was a developed country
>I came here because you share lots of bread
>anyone would share bread though
>but not everyone has enough bread to share
>exactly Japan has lots of bread

He came to Japan because it's a post scarcity society
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>>156221994
Isn't it more weird that Shindo not objecting to a month for passengers to get out since isn't it better to let them out one person at a time.
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>>156208877
This is the most tolerable Rie Kugimiya has been in ages.
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>>156222467
So he could be a smug asshole to the other Titans like some Ivory Tower liberal who brags about donating 100$ to a soup kitchen from another State
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>this region is has the highest level of heart.

To be honest i like the series but this is just too absurd. I knew it wasn't going to be realistic the moment japan went into negotionations themselves instead of the US intervening
Now it's just pure stupidity
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>>156222519
He didn't say that though, he said he came because they had the highest concentration of "heart" which was later translating to "sharing"
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>>156222871
kokoro
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>>156213452
If this was set in literally any other country you chucklefucks would still be complaining that it's portrayed incorrectly fucking japs can't they do anything right two nukes weren't enough.
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>>156221994
Speaking of that, was the "251 passengers are okay" bit in episode 2 just a mistranslation and he was saying "the 251 other passengers [plus myself] are okay"?
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>>156222172
Is what comes out of the cube really you or just a copy?
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>>156208877
I like her, fuck you.
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>>156222987
translation "keikau" means plane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw
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>>156222217
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>>156223085
When was this?
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>>156223140
The first frame of the OP.
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>>156223186
Oh, fuck, I guess I never looked at the bottom. I feel stupid now.
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>>156223082
>>156222871
>>156222850
>>156222975
Please remember to use proper English and type like functional adults.
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>>156223239
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>>156223288
If you're talking about "functional," then typing like a functional person is not the same thing as being one. If you're talking about anything else, then right back at you.
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>>156222092
Thanks, ISIS PR Department.
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>>156223036
Pretty much all your cells gets replaced several times over the course of your life. So yes, it's still you.
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>>156223239
:^)
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>>156222909
It only translates 51% to heart
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>>156223742
Maybe mindraping everyone into comprehension would have been the better option after all.
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>>156222691
This. Shindo is a retard for not mentioning this.
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>>156224045
Pretty sure we weren't shown some of their conversations, which would also explain Shindo's strange behaviour.
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Looks like they'll accept the Wam next episode. "The UN has issues with Japan monopolizing Wam."
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>co:writer: kubo
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>>156224309
Not necessarily. That could very easily just be part of their considerations about whether to accept it.
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The anistropic's beings sure are nice, letting humanity suck their stuff.
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Maybe the other 49% is virginity and efficient public transport.
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>second half of next episode will be timeskip of infodump with humanity getting all the good stuff
>another timeskip with humanity settling across the solar system
>anistropic being now deem humanity has enough fighting chance against them
Would be cool.
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>>156224642
>humanity has evolved as a race so fast that they're on their way on to conquering the majority of the known universe

Classic /tg/.
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I wonder what religious leaders have to say about the alien and its cube.
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Japanese CGI magazines' interview article
https://cgworld.jp/feature/201602-kado01-cgw211.html
I know someone will translate it.
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>>156224124
That's obvious, considering zaShunina and Shindo even mention what they had talked about in advance and what they hadn't.
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>>156224642
>Ciuntries already squabbling about who gets to keep Wam
>expecting Big oil to sit tight and make Wam a thing,
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>>156224849
Catholic Church: Aliens exist, were made by God
Evangelicals: literally Antichrist, the end is nigh
Islam: Absolutely haram, Allah never mentioned aliens
Hindu and Buddhists: higher planes of existence confirmed
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>>156225278
What exactly can they do about it? The advantage wam provides to governments is far greater than anything any companies could provide in exchange for suppressing it.
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>>156225335
What about the Orthodox Church
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>>156225455
>Smear campaign and American intervention to seize Wam.
Honestly surprised American "expert" hasn't shown up to Hijack the whole thing.
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>>156225455
>>156225278
It won't happen, but I'd love to see the stock market's responses to all the shit happening at the conference, and him reacting to that.
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>>156225520
Call for a Synod to define official position, 50 years later they still haven't decided where to hold it.
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>>156225520
The Russian orthodox church would demand that zaShunina swear loyalty to Putin.
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>>156225608
>free energy for everyone
RIP, Dow Jones.
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I hope he becomes moe like Alcor
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>>156226282
The anime really didn't handle his eyelashes well at all.
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Why is sharing wam supposed to be the good thing? I guess we should hand out nuclear ICBMs too.
I hope this show doesn't try and go for a naive feel-good approach. Can you imagine Japan sharing infinite energy with North Korea?
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>>156224959
>How did this project come to be?
>Noguchi Kouichi (producer): About two and half years ago, Kushida Makoto, the chief editor of the Febri magazine, recommended me the novel 'know' by Nozaki Mado. I read it and thought it was really great, giving me the idea that we could make an original anime together. The plot outline was written while we were still thinking whether it should be a series or a feature film. Personally, I didn't want the project to go down the same route as Expelled from Paradise, so we decided to look for an alternative solution.
The anime industry should hire actual writers more often.
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>>156226380
ICBMs are purely destructive, electricity isn't. There's only thing you can do with nukes, after all.
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>>156226482
>the same route as Expelled from Paradise
What did he mean by this?
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>>156226504
Kind of missing the point desu.
Often there's good reason for having a firm boot on the neck of another country. Conflicting interests are inevitable.
If everyone was given infinite energy, we wouldn't all stand in a circle and sing kumbaya.
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>>156226380
>Why is sharing wam supposed to be the good thing?
I'm pretty sure this argument is exactly what the next episode is going to be about.
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>>156226380
You don't share it immediately to North Korea.
You demand that they halt their Nuclear research first. Lessen the tension between North and South.

Negotiate first that would benefit both you and the other party before you spread those balls.

Have you not learned anything from our MC?
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>>156226508
Probably that he didn't want it to become a movie.
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>>156217737
There is zero point in assuming that he has some sort of trap waiting for humans.
He has demonstrated the capability to annihilate humanity, so if he had ill will he would have done so a long time ago.

This anime actually describes the government and diplomacy quite well.
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>>156226941
>so if he had ill will he would have done so a long time ago
No.
There are many "ill will" things that don't include total annihilation of humanity.
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>>156226606
Why not just keep the huge advantage and then eliminate them through subterfuge? Same for islamists.
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>>156227022
Because if both sides are satisfied, they will be more inclined to cooperate in the future.
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>>156227342
There only needs to be one side.
Especially when the other option is an unpredictable group with infinite energy.
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>>156226977
There's nothing indicating that zaShunina is even capable of ill will period.
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>free energy
>oil/gas/coal/nuclear industry is kill
>so are the ones servicing them
T-thanks.
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>>156227995
The oil/gas industry is living on borrowed time anyway. The sooner we transition away from fossil fuels the better.
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>>156227995
They'll be fine, plenty of bread to around. It's only a problem if someone tries to monopolize the bread.
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>>156224959
Kado as shown in the show is a modified mandelbox with the Menger sponge elements.
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>>156208967
>>156209053
>>156209968
>>156218184

Is she married? she's got a ring on her finger.

i think she was married before, but has seperated and has yet to take off the ring? perhaps negotiator-kun reminds her of her past husband?
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>>156228296
She's 24. If she was ever married, chances are that she still is.
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>>156228296
N-no
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>>156228296
>married
She feels too young for that, like she clearly feels like she's under 30. I'd say 26-28
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>>156228347
This is Japan, mate
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>>156228395
Japan people marry young? I thought they just didn't marry at all now
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>>156228395
What are you saying? That some geezer married her when she was a loli and divorced her?

Or that nips get married at a young age in general? I really don't think so.
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>>156223036
>>156223480
Don't make me read that so early in the morning guys.
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>>156228410
>>156228419
Christmas cake.
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>>156228419
Nips get married at a young age, yes. Usually you get married after college, around the ages of 21-25. Anything over 25 is considered Christmas cake and is looked down upon because... "you're 25 and single, something must be wrong with you".

No idea if that's so strict anymore, but that's how it is in most anime.
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>>156218184
>That was some pretty extreme idealism/naivete to be coming from a high-ranking bureaucrat
Pretty sure he was just explaining the concept to the best of his ability, that doesn't necessarily reflect on his own beliefs. The other bureaucrats found the answer too but like fat secretary said this doesn't actually end up happening irl. I'm pretty sure everyone at the press conference, including Shindou, knew that. There was just no need to bring it up.
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>>156228499
>>156228479
Is there a Japanese term for male Christmas cakes?
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Infinite energy is a very dangerous concept. If not held well it could turn to complete stupidity and unrealistic situation. Like >>156226380 said sharing =/= good and we already tried this consent with communism you a know how it ended.

Only from economic point of view infinite energy would be a disaster. Do you understand that would mean millions of people instantly loosing their jobs and go beg on the streets since that was the only thing they knew how to do? Millions of banks, corporations and stocks would be destroyed because our world now lives in credit and on loans? Infinite energy even given to one country would literally kill all the economy and start the worst crisis in humanity.

And that not even talking about effects of infinite energy on military and politics.

Just a very difficult concept to play with without going full retards, naive childs, ruining whatever kind of appeal this show had.
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>>156228582
No, the logic doesn't apply as much.
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>>156228583
I'm hoping that's the answer he's looking for. That humans just aren't ready for that.
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>>156228582
No, because men don't lose value as reproductive items the older they get. Well actually it's becoming more and more apparent the quality of sperm decreases the older you get, so having a child from an old man increases the likelyhood of your child having mental illnesses like psychopathy, sociopathy, or autism. But most women don't know that or care so it doesn't really matter when they select a partner.
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>>156228499
It's the same in the west but the age is 30.
Women's suicide rates spike at 30 for a reason
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>>156228686
>having a child from an old man increases the likelyhood of your child having mental illnesses
I think older women having babies have the same thing too
>old people
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>>156228649
Yeah well I hope that's his answer too. Since if it goes with the "sharing with your neighbor", "power of friendship" whatever else bullshit anime often does, it'll be instant drop at least for me.
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>>156228649
Addition: humans will never be ready for that because the way our society functiones and functioned from prehistoric times, basically because of the way our mind works.
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>>156228718
Why the difference in age between East and West though?
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>>156228727
Yes. Higher age in general increases the risk of birth defects and various mental conditions.
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>>156226482
>'know' by Nozaki Mado

>Set in 2081, when the super-computerization advanced so much that it became an obligation for people to have artificial cerebral lobe implants, “Denshiyo” (electrical cerebral lobe). The protagonist is Tsureru Ono, a high government official who works at the Information Agency in Kyoto. For the first time in 14 years, he met his mentor, Joichi Michio, who is responsible for bringing society to its highly sophisticated technologically advanced state. However, immeditaley after the meeting, Joichi committed suicide and Tsureru was entrusted with a girl named Shiru Michio, the first human to have a quantum computer in her brain. Over the 4 days that Michiru spends time with Shiru, “the girl who knows everything” through her extraordinary information processing ability, mankind faces an unprecedented revolution.

It sounds really similar to this. Just swap lolibrain for fujocube.
Why couldn't we just get an adaptation?
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>>156228776
Untrue. Cooperation and reciprocal altruism has been present in our societies since the stone age. Hell, the latter is common in social animals in general.
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>>156228583
>we already tried this consent with communism you a know how it ended
No, just no. Don't use communism as an argument sharing is bad. That's pretty much like saying animation is bad because Berserk 2016 exists. Or that moustaches are evil because Hitler wore one.
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>>156228814
>It sounds really similar to this.
Huh, it really doesn't. There's a similar plot device, but none of the first contact stuff which is the core of this show.
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>>156208582

It won't end well for humanity
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>>156228868
Human revolution seems to be the core. Aliens are just the method.
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>>156228799
In practice, there is no difference - Western and Japanese people marry roughly at the same age. The Christmas Cake stereotype is just a holdover from the earlier times.
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>>156228834
I never said it didn't. But never did any society lived solely on the ideals of sharing it never happened. If such society was formed it would be instantly ruined by its neighbors.
What I meant is that humans are rational beings and tend to do rational things mainly but not solely.

>>156228837
Did you just completely ignore the part of my post where I talk about how infinite energy would ruin world economy?
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>>156228296
>Is she married?

I don't think her job gives her the time for such things
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>>156226140
Kek
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>>156228583
The Soviet Union and its satellites is hardly the only communism-type society that ever existed. Some of these experiments were considerably more successful.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
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>>156229007
Kibittzes are small farm-like villages. They function well because they're small and easy to direct. Also any person is free to enter or leave the kibutz whenever they want. So that's s bad example and is only an "experiment" as you said yourself.
While the ussr and it surrounding is an example of such society. Many new things come in play here such as: territory, great distances, centralized governments and so on. This is not the perfect example on any mean but that's the closest humans were able to get with such ideals/ideas.
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>>156228931
>But never did any society lived solely on the ideals of sharing it never happened. If such society was formed it would be instantly ruined by its neighbors.
You're right about that, but note that sharing as zaShunina knows it is not altruism per se - they give away excess they can't possibly use. It's like throwing away trash or recycling plastics and paper, which we also do.
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there are several alien factions

Yahakui's faction believe in testing humankind

Klaatu/main antagonist faction gives Earth a choice to either be destroyed by killer robots or completely submit to the authoritarian galactic council
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that wam thing was the best and worst thing zaShuina could ever given humanity as a present
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>>156228931
>did you just completely ignore the part of my post where I talk about how infinite energy would ruin world economy?
Well yeah I did because I didn't have an interest discussing that self evident affirmation. But if you're so butthurt about it, I'll try mustering one.
Frankly I don't think millions of people losing their jobs is the main problem here. The jobs to maintain the electrical network wouldn't disappear, on the contrary, they'd be more necassary than ever. And quite a few people will have to manage the wams and handle their inclusion in the electrical network.
The problem is who owns the wams and whether they are gonna charge people for using them.
The economy is resilient, it always adapt to the circumstances. The economy as we know it will die, but a new one will take its place.
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>>156228901
To be fair, the concept of societal revolution is a common theme in science fiction as a genre. Imagining the possibilities is pretty much why sci-fi exists.
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>>156207252
>He is testing humanity, right?
Right.
>They need to reject this first gift because the potential problems would be too great?
>"If they understand they are too stupid to deserve this gift, that means they're not stupid at all... so they deserve it... I guess!?"
Literally what??
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>>156229124
Humans have no concept of excess otherwise economy would not work. What you talk about is trash, something that can't be used anymore, not "too many" goods.

Again we don't have the concept of "too many". How do we decide what too many is? If it existed people would not save money and just give it away, rich people would not exist, since too much money apparently is not necessary and most importantly, the reason economy couldn't probably function is that with this concept there are no stimulus.

It all may be seen as overthinking but as an economics major such turn would just annoy and enrage me to no end.
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>>156207252
Nah, humanity needs to adapt and survive the consequences the wam brought about. If they do that, they're pretty much set for transitioning toward a technologically advanced society. If they can't, they're trash who could have never amounted to anything anyways. Wam is both a catalyst and a lethal drug.
It's basically like throwing a kid in the middle of the ocean. Swim or die.
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Is it possible to have your head so far up your own ass you start finding high literature up in there?
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>>156229163
Butthurt is the wrong word I'm just discussing the possible outcomes of concepts introduced.

>The economy as we know it will die, but a new one will take its place.
No, that's impossible. No "new economy" could possibly be formed. What do you think, how could it possibly function? What would be the new principles of such economy? Since forever the axioms were all the same.

And no our economy can't possibly adapt to a change like that. What I mentioned were just imidiate obvious outcomes. But everything is connected humanity would just enter the worst crisis it ever experienced and likely just get to complete anarchy.
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>>156229330
If Kado doesn't remind you of a few books and archetypal concepts of scifi then it's highly likely your own head never left your smelly ass.
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>>156229330
I'm not sure what he's rambling about, but
>Kado is a singular god yet no god... so who is his creator?
U wot? zaShunina pretty much states that Kado is his tool. He can even carry out some of the Kado functions himself.
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>>156229330
Nothing high literature in there, what are you smoking?
>posting other sites comments
Be a proper faggot and reply him there, no need to bring it here.
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>>156228983
She's a public servant though, she has time to do anything
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>>156229389
>No, that's impossible
People used to say the same about many things you know.
What do you think an egyptian farmer from 6000 BC would think of the concept of iphones, nuclear energy, and space exploration?
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>>156228296
Someone's already claimed this super cute girl
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>>156229389
I'm no expert in economy but couldn't they postpone the use of Wam? Start adapting people, specially the new generation, to living in a world with infinite energy and when we are mostly ready just then we would switch to it.
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>>156229690
You didn't answer my questions. What would be the principles of "new economy"? What would be the new axioms?

Anyway your argument is still flawed and the example is wrong. iPhones,nuclear energy, computers etc are just means. More advanced tools that function under the same principles.

Ancient Egyptians functioned under the same principles we do now. Give something to take something. The concept of limited resources is the idea that fuels economy, it's the stimulus.

Also economy is the main sphere of society, it affects all the others, politics, culture, everything. No economy = no society.
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>>156229784
Wedding rings are worn on the left hand
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>>156229832
So that means I still have a chance of sweeping her off her feet and marrying her?
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>>156229389
Economy is merely the system that consists of human activities related to production and consumption. When human activities change, so does it. The ressources thaT matter change too, and it wouldn't be the first time a ressource that used to cost and matter a lot became cheap because irrelevant/too easy to produce. Take salt for instance.
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>>156229812
We don't have clear differentiation between "old" and "new" generations, they overlap. The disaster would be imitiate and I can think of anything that could possibly stop, help or at least slow down the crisis.
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>>156229964
*I can't
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>>156229871
I don't know if you could impress a foreign service officer anon
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>>156229930
We never had an unlimited resource that could be used universally. And yes, economy is a system of production, distribution and consumption and that what makes our society function.

It's not about resource becoming cheap or expensive it's about eliminating the stimulus and the idea of economics itself that is "limited resources".
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>>156229828
>you didn't answer my questions. What would be the principles of "new economy"? What would be the new axioms?
I don't know man, you have a brain too. You can think about it by yourself. I for one would rather let the show present them to me.
It's not like we don't already have abundants amounts of some things. Take air. Did the economy collapse on itself just because pretty much anyone can have unlimited amounts of it? Ultimately electricity is just one ressource.
I'd also add, though this is another matter entirely, that many myths depict ideal societies where nobody wants for anything.

>Anyway your argument is still flawed and the example is wrong
I was only making a parallel between what you think is impossible and what some people used to think was impossible, or rather, stuff some people couldn't possibly even conceive in their minds. And yet that, today, is our reality. The truth is nobody knows what is impossible. There are only people who limit themselves by their own lack of creativity.
Also I wasn't trying to make a parallel between iphones and unlimited energy.
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>>156230088
>we never had an unlimited resource that could be used universally
See >>156230240
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Oh well, nevermind. I don't expect anime to reflect some sort of difficult economics concepts and breakthrough ideas. I just hope it turns out to be not completely retarded and still watchable.
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A pipe chair for alien.

WAR!!!!!
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>>156229832
Not if she's married to someone whose culture has it worn on the right hand.
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>>156229964
>We don't have clear differentiation between "old" and "new" generations, they overlap.
I not sure what you mean by this. Yeah, there isn't much of a difference between a 30 and a 20yo but not rare there is a clear difference of minset between a 20 and a 60yo.
When I talk about the new generation I mean kids, make them used with the idea of infinite energy since they were born and in 20-30 years the ones rulling the world will be those kids that were prepared since birth to the coming of Wam. The current generation will, by then, be old and irrelevant.
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>>156230324
I hope he gets a fancier chair to sit on next week.
Poor guy was so uncomfortable he couldn't even lotus pose on that chair.
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>>156230449
He was copying the polite human way of sitting.
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Is Shindo a cake?
He doesn't seem to be married?
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>>156230240
You don't know and yet you keep talking about it as if it was possible? Well it's not and it's not even about the show, its about real life. Why would I think of arguments for you if my point is to prove the opposite?

"Some things" =/= resources. Not everything is a resource. Air isn't. How could you even present myths as an example? Most philosophers imagined "the ideal society" later it was always proven to be impossible to reach by themselves or their colleagues. Ancient myths, theories can be considered a thinking experiment not an actual model.

It's not about the concept of "possibility" on itself or about new "stuff" invented, it's about the certain principles and axioms under which or society and ultimately economy functiones. Trough history they never changed. It has nothing to do with creativity and everything to do with the edicts of human nature.
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>>156230356
Yes, I meant that we can't completely exclude people that live nowadays and jump to the "new" generation, kids. Since the outcomes would be so destructive, our world and society as we know it know would just collapse.
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>>156230594
He's not.

He do use his charms to get favors.
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>>156230740
Those red lines around their eyes are so weird.
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>>156230740
What's with these red eye liner? Looks like Kabuki.
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>>156230740
I wanna do lewd things to this old man!
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>>156228583
I think thats the point
The show is about negotiating and right answers.
Giving humanity infinite energy is not as important as how they deal with it.
Human ambition (greed) won't just go away because of some powerful batteries, the "right" answer may be that humanity is not yet right for such a miracle.
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>>156230356
Addition. What I mean is I can't imagine an economy functioning under the assumption of unlimited energy. Thus I can't imagine a society functioning under it too.
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This guy's face just summarized this episode.
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>i guess we might talk here
>ok

Fucking master negotiators.
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>>156230801
That's a bit simplistic but I hope that's how it will turn out to be.
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>>156230875
>zaShunina wants open access and a large venue
>transferring him too far is rife with issues
>journos are here already
What else were they supposed to say? It was the most logical solution.
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>>156228583
>>156230801
Human economy isn't built around infinite energy. The right answer is to fundamentally restructure society and human lifestyle around infinite energy, not hold yourself back because "muh job crisis" and "muh economy".
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>>156230801
>>156228583
It's a Netouyo + salaryman powerfantasy, pretty much an actual genre in japan, don't expect this show to develop this concept like this
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>>156230943
Plus they can use airport's security to screen people.
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>>156230735
We wouldn't? We would just train the youngers while living our lifes normally. Whenever we were ready to use the Wam we would, regardless of the time it took to adapt to it.

>>156230812
So the problem isn't the lack of arguments but your imagination? Well, nothing that I can help with then.
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>>156230656
>You don't know and yet you keep talking about it as if it was possible? Well it's not and it's not even about the show, its about real life. Why would I think of arguments for you if my point is to prove the opposite?
Get off your high horse man. I might not know but you don't either. I just don't allow myself to make preposterous assertions about what can and what can't be done like a folkloric clairvoyant sitting in a caravan would.

>"Some things" =/= resources. Not everything is a resource. Air isn't.
How is air not a ressource?
>a stock or supply of money, materials, staff, and other assets that can be drawn on by a person or organization in order to function effectively.
Let me lock you up in some sealed room while I hoover out the air and see how you function. I'll teach you supply and demand first hand.

>Ancient myths, theories can be considered a thinking experiment not an actual model
It still shows that abundance and sharing of that abundance is a concept the human mind has no problem apprehending. And not just that, but also that people long for it.
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>>156230991
Yes but at the moment the world is not ready for infinite energy, so having a bunch of it laying around would just cause problems.
Later on after humanity has progressed under zuShinana then we could accept the gift of infinite energy.

Africa has a similar problem right now. Countries from all around the world are shipping food and aid to Africa. But rather then making Africa a better place, its just causing a rapid growth in population. Hunger is not going down, poverty is not going down, education is not improving, the economies are not improving, most countries remain dictatorships, etc.
Blinding throwing infinite energy to humanity would have the same effect. Rather than solving major problems with humanity, it would just mean the same problems but with more energy.
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>>156231096
Yes the problem is the lack of arguments. Your arguments.
I stated my position and my argument already, except it's not really my position but economics most basic ideas and consequences.

>live our lives normally
That's that point. It would be impossible. The world how you know it now wouldn't exist anymore.
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>>156231032
>note that a country is stable and reasonably rich
>muh nationalist power fantasy!
Are you high?
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>>156230991
>>156230801
This
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>>156231337
The way they phrased it made it very apparent it was a netouyo wet dream
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>>156231209
>Hunger is not going down, poverty is not going down, education is not improving etc.
Wrong on all accounts.
>https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/17/aid-trade-reduce-acute-poverty
>The world is witnessing a epochal 'global rebalancing' with higher growth in at least 40 poor countries helping lift hundreds of millions out of poverty and into a new 'global middle class'. Never in history have the living conditions and prospects of so many people changed so dramatically and so fast."
The world, Africa included, is more prosperous than it has ever been.
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>>156231206
>Get off your high horse man.
What do you mean? All this time I did nothing but state the most basic and obvious facts.
>How is air not a ressource?
Air is not an economics resource, no. You can't sell, buy and exchange air.
>Let me lock you up in some sealed room
It's a thought experiment. In that case, yes, it will probably become a resource. But that still has little to do with real life situation.

Yes people long for it. And they will never achieve it, just as they long and never achieve heaven. Also if people long for something that doesn't mean that something is "good" or superior.
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>>156230991
No one holds anyone back. That's just how it functiones.
>"muh economy"
Wew actually made me somewhat angry.

Please state your idea clearly and support it with arguments. How you see such society function? How you see a "society" without economy function?
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>>156231365
They phrased it as "the conditions for sharing (51% accuracy) are stable in this region", which means they're now obligated to share. What part of this would sound great for a nationalist? Nationalists hate sharing their wealth with outsiders.
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>>156231489
The Japanese think their imperialism during WWII was "sharing" their superior way of life with the lesser Asian peoples.
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>>156231468
The economy is nothing more than a utility for society, like language or a sewage system. If it is no longer functional or necessary, its removal is appropriate. If aliens showed up and removed human need to defecate, would you first response be: "what about the plumbers though??"?
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>>156231279
>The world how you know it now wouldn't exist anymore.
Did you read the first thing I said and the base of my argument? We wouldn't use Wam immediately. We would use this time to slowly adapt to this new world, start researchs about it, decide how we should proceed with its use and share and whatever else would be necessary.
How long would be this "time"? I have no idea, but I do know we, like any other living thing, has the ability to adapt so I still don't see why it's impossible for us to adapt to a new economy system. Even if it takes 300, 1000 years.
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>>156231538
Too bad nobody is asking them to share their superior way of life here. They have to share alien energy balls, aka resources.
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>>156231595
zaShunina picked Japan specifically because of its way of life. Chances are he wants the rest of the planet to conform to Japan's way of life to make it easier to eventually understand his teachings.
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>>156231419
>All this time I did nothing but state the most basic and obvious facts
The fact that you think so is what I call being on a high horse. Even if I consider everything you said thus far is true, ultimately you're just stating things that are true now. But you can't possibly know whether these will be true tomorrow or in Kado's world. You only think so because your own imagination is limited, hence you can't picture a world different from the one we're living in right now. But the truth is the world has adapted to numerous changes over history. The industrial revolution. Computers. Personal computers. Cavalry being replaced by tanks. Guns replacing sword, the nuclear bomb deterrence, etc. The world is plastic, it doesn't just topple over everytime something new or unexpected happens. It adapts. And those who can't adapt disappear. That goes for people, organizations, and worlds.
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>>156231547
>economy is nothing more than a utility for society
>it is no longer functional or necessary
I see.


There was absolutely no point is starting this from the beginning. I'm sorry for wasting your time.
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>>156231547
>If aliens showed up and removed human need to defecate, would you first response be: "what about the plumbers though??"?
Not him but thank you for this anon, you made my day.
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>>156231657
>zaShunima is an inter-dimensional weeabo
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>>156231882
>he turns out to be a second nyaruko
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making the CG model of zaShu
https://entry.cgworld.jp/column/post/201608-toei.html
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>>156231538
This, and so did America and the Fire Nation.
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>>156231657
Nothing indicates that. Japan being a stable, rich country has many causes, with a good chunk of them being entirely unrelated to their way of life. Their isolated geographical location, relatively reasonable neighbours (NK excluded, but they're also too incompetent to pose too much of a problem), great protection courtesy to the US, mild climate and many other factors contribute heavily to their favorable situation. Nobody said they're inherently better, only that they're prosperous and stable, which they are.
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Is this the show that's only fun to watch with /a/? Like mayoiga?
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>>156232085
Watch it yourself faggot.
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>>156232085
Re:Creators
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>>156232044
He specifically (49%) says why he chose Japan over other nations.
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>>156231719
>The fact that you think so is what I call being on a high horse
But the only personal thought I formulated during the whole thread is this >>156231729 All the rest is merely paraphrased economics axioms.

>ultimately you're just stating things that are true now
Well, yes.
>But you can't possibly know whether these will be true tomorrow
No, that's the same and I already said why.
>or in Kado's world
True. Hovewer, I hope it turnes out good.

>You only think so because your own imagination is limited
No, I only think so because I finished MSc in Econometrics and Mathematical Economics and these things seem to be completely obvious to me. Not like I stated anything new anyway.

>the world has adapted to numerous changes over history
>More advanced tools that function under the same principles.

>And those who can't adapt disappear. That goes for people, organizations, and worlds.
Yeah, I agree. Our world and society would go in anarchy and ultimately disappear.
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>>156232133
I did faggot, and please don't be an illiterate autist.

>>156232135
naruhodo
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>>156232324
If you need to ask here if this is like mayoiga then youre the autist.
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There is literally no way the oil industry would allow this to happen.
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We need some space Jesus
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>>156232085
Not really, it's also fun to watch in and of itself. Or by yourself.
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>>156232184
The conditions for sharing are not born in the vacuum.
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>>156232529
Space Jesus a best.
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>>156232376
Yeah probably well you're still a bigger autist
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Space Jesus tried rice cake.
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>>156232474
Well they are free to get Kado'ed if they absolutely want to?
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>>156232529
cute
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Japan is the second Aid donor in the World after the US.
That is without any doubt the real meaning behind 'sharing your bread'.

http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/japan/brief/development-assistance-from-japan

>Japan is the second largest aid donor in the world. Over the past 30 years, it has provided over $200 billion to development as part of its official assistance program. While the top recipients of Japan's aid are primarily countries in East and South East Asia, it is also one of the largest donors in several African countries.

In the past five years, Japan's ODA in percentage terms and absolute amount – from 13.5 billion in 2000 to 8.8 billion in 2004, and as a percentage of GNI, from 0.28% down to 0.19% – due to its fiscal and budgetary constraints. The overall decline of ODA levels however, has now ended with a trend towards progressive increases in the period ahead, especially to Africa. At the G8 Gleneagles Summit, Prime Minister Koizumi pledged to increase ODA by $10 billion in the coming five years. Japan has also agreed on a debt-cancellation package to Africa and promised to contribute approximately $4.9 billion, one of the largest pledges among donor nations.
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I just discovered this anime and watched the first three episodes in a row. It's perfect. I have daydreamed many times about what I would/should say as a negotiator for expressionless aliens and these themes of communication and transmission of ideas is exactly the kind of stuff that gets my attention. This anime is entertaining and I definitely do not have a debased sexual attraction towards space jesus.
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>>156232937
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>>156232937
They also have the 3rd largest economy, so its not saying that much.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-asylum-idUSKBN15O0UV
>Japan accepted only 28 out of 10,901 asylum seekers in 2016
Even big meanies like Poland and Hungary are more generous.
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>>156232975
>and I definitely do not have a debased sexual attraction towards space jesus
Excellent, space Jesus is not for lewding.
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>>156233091
I need more ass perspectives of space Jesus.
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>>156233037
One year only after these few one were cautiously 'filtered into Japan':
http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/02/22/tokyo-cops-arrest-turkish-asylum-seekers-in-gang-rape-of-woman/

https://japantoday.com/category/crime/foreign-man-beaten-to-death-after-his-car-intercepted-by-gang-of-foreigners

The second 'incident happened in Nagoya, (where I live), and they had the GOOD idea to build the biggest Mosque in all Japan.

I'm thinking about moving far away from Nagoya.
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>>156230787
>"DID SOMEONE SAY KABUKI?"
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>>156232529
>tall Al Psyduck
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>>156233237
We already have plenty of bare ass.
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>>156233037
Considering the sheer amount of issues this particular wave of refugees has, I can't blame them. There's also the fact that pretty much no Muslim refugees actually want to go to Japan.
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>>156233529
There is no such concept as "too much" ass.
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>>156233037
They aren't 'generous', they are irresponsible. See what is happening everywhere in Europe. Racism only getting fuelled thanks to a total lack of plan to actually treat these people correctly. Or did you want to see Japan putting them in 'refugee camps' too?
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>>156233571
Not even mentioning the ones who tried to fucking sue Japan for not accepting to let them in.
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>>156233670
In Gits S.A.C series, distopia Japan has large refugee camps.
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>>156233641
Yes there is. An infite amount of ass would break the economy as we know it. Humanity isn't ready.
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>>156233670
Unlike Poland and Hungary, Japan isn't a second world country.
It has more than enough resources to properly house and feed asylum seekers
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>>156233821
As >>156233571 said, those asylum seekers need to want to go to Japan first. The overwhelming majority of them doesn't.
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>>156233814
But not all people need an infinite amount of ass.
My hard disk can endure it and so can I, I'm sure.
I'm not going to share my ass pics with the rest of humanity.
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>>156233960
>I'm not going to share my ass pics with the rest of humanity
Well you should, sharing is caring. And you don't need all that ass anyways.
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>>156233935
They probably consider Japan too far and the Japanese too alien :3 for them. They don't even want to stay in all EU countries, they only want to reach the Schengen Area.
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>>156233037
>allowing shit skins in to terrorize your citizens is generous
>donating vast sums of money to causes around the world is not

How's it going Rabbi?
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Haven't watched the show, but the market fundamentalists saying infinite energy would be a bad thing make me kek.
The economy would be rendered obsolete with infinite energy. Matter is energy. An infinite source of energy means infinite food, infinite clothing, infinite medicine, infinite computers. Communism failed because in the end communist party elites hoarded all resources for themselves, this wouldn't be a problem with unlimited resources. Hell, depending on how the infinite power source works you could get unlimited computing power and power an AIXI algorithm which could literally figure out anything, from immortality to the nature of the universe. >>156231547 is absolutely right.
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>>156233670
Oh please. in germany, france, and sweden the asylum seekers are treated better than their own citizens and this still act like medieval warlords.
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It's euro countries that arbitrarily colonized middle east and left the cause of today's chaos. So it's natural they should take care of these refugees.
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>>156234217
You mean usa.
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>>156215002
Which could be provided with infinite energy.
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>>156233996
But just as my models predict, I'm a rational being. Why would I share such valuable resource as ass?
And ass is indeed an economic resource: people buy, sell and even exchange asses.
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>>156234302
It's both, Euro from birth of imperalism to first half on 20th century, USA from WWII and onwards.
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>>156234044
Even the Shengen Area isn't good enough for many them. A whole bunch is currently squatting in France because the UK won't let them in and asking for asylum in France is beneath their dignity or something. There's also a funny story from my own country (Czechia):
>take in about 100 refugees
>within two weeks half of them disappears into Germany
>some family patriarch runs to the media to loudly complain that they got free apartments instead of a free house
The public and political support for the refugee question absolutely tanked after this. I'm a former immigrant myself and I've never seen this kind of an attitude. And it's not a Muslim problem either; most of these people were Christians.
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BTW, Kado proved to be surprisingly popular in Japan. It's the fastest thread on 2ch now. They are arguing roughly the same topic as here.
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>>156234337
I would even say that ass is the most important resource. Without ass nothing would function, everyone needs ass. Everyone wants ass.

Ass is indeed the engine of progress!
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>>156234064
>the market fundamentalists saying infinite energy would be a bad thing make me kek
Well they're not exactly wrong. If from their perspective the market is everything, then of course its removal would trigger them. All the more so if their job depended on it >>156232212 and they're guaranteed to be reduced to scrubbing pots after losing them.
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>>156234393
>They are arguing roughly the same topic as here.
Which one? What is the first fastest thead?
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>>156234217
This >>156234377
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>>156234377
White people are the problem here. White people are cancer of this planet
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>>156234393
What do they think about Japan being chosen because they're the best at sharing?
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>>156234377
And the Ottoman Empire to the mix too.
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>>156234064
>>156234435
Feel free to refute any points I mentioned here before. ;^)
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>>156234493
t. Tumblr
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>>156234393
Really? Even if it doesn't translate to sales I'm glad it's not ignored there.
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>>156234217
But before that the middle east conquered and colonized many parts of Europe. And before that the Middle East was conquered and colonized by the Mongolians.
Wouldn't the Middle East being conquered by Europe be retribution for it attempting to do the reverse?

>>156234333
people don't want things they could easily have. The novelty of something being hard to obtain makes it worth more than the object itself.
You could have a lifetime of fun by visiting public parks, libraries, etc. Or even just enjoying the company of friends and family. People will always want what they can't have.
If humanity could be content with what it has then we would still be living in caves eating brontosaurus.
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>>156234536
>Ottoman Empire
Literally who
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>>156234466
Like free energy will cause wars, 3D CGI doesn't look bad, why Tsukai is cute etc.
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>>156234596
I think we can all thank very not lewd space Jesus for that.
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>>156234626
And what is the general consensus there?
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>>156234493
This is racist anon.
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>>156234435
They wouldn't be reduced to toilet scrubbing. No one would. Jobs would become obsolete. We would make Star Trek look like a renaissance faire within a year if we had an unlimited source of energy.

>>156234566
You hardly made any points. Jobs and insitutions would be destroyed and African aid hasn't helped africa. Yeah, many jobs and institutions would be destroyed, because they would become unneeded, so what. People wouldn't need jobs to survive, unlimited energy means unlimited resources which means you can give people as many handouts as you want and you're not any worse off than before, people wouldn't need jobs to survive. African aid is not comparable in any way, shape of form, resources are still limited, and what is misspent by any of the millions of corrupt fucks is not spent improving conditions and is lost. Handouts from unlimited energy could be spent in the most ridiculous, stupid shit imaginable and it wouldn't matter.
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>>156234518
Reactions are mixed.
The popular opinion is that because this is Japanese anime.
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>free energy could propel us into immortality in the cyber space or blast our ass out to colonize planets
>but my alien dude, ECONOMICS
>ding ding, taking my balls back by the way
>shit being broadcasted live
Even in fiction, I am hurt.
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>>156234665
They are really enjoying the show so far. Sci-fi setting is intriguing, the comedy scene of folding chair is funny etc.
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From the manga retelling of the show so far. It's pretty much identical to the show, except with some inner dialogue from Shindo.
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>>156235229
*monologue
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>>156234816
What will be the source though? Do you live in a fantasy world where everyone is cute and fluffy? You sound like a commie.

Sure thing peoples nature stays all the same and some would want to be better than others. Wars to take back/destroy other countries resource, unlimited military advancement, nothing to hold back, restrain aggressive countries and organizations.

Do you think those who get a hold of that energy will give to anyone? Hahah, really naive. Even if they have plenty for themselves having something others don't is a way to make yourself superior.

Infinite energy won't bring the perfect world of your dreams on the other hand it will make true the world of your worst nightmares.

Btw I never said anything about Africa.
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I'm glad these threads are getting more active. It's original anime and there's so much to theorize on.
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>>156235229
Shindo trying really hard not to lose his shit in front of zaShunina.
>Can't let my knees shake, can't let my knees shake.. !
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>>156235419
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>>156235229
Why they felt the need to make zaShunina this lewd?
Was it a message to us?
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>>156235461
>Shindo's name is "true path"
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>>156235314
>>What will be the source though?
Are you retarded? We're talking about an hypothetical scenario with a source of unlimited energy. If you reject the fucking scenario what are you even talking about?
>>You sound like a commie
Because communism would be the only system that would make sense with a fucking source of unlimited energy, just as capitalism is the only system that works in the real, scarcity-constrained world.
You're right about one thing, if market fundamentalists like you who refuse to see the potential of a source of unlimited energy and who want to keep the current system going at all costs got their hands on it, nothing would improve.
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>>156235314
>Even if they have plenty for themselves having something others don't is a way to make yourself superior
This alien dude said if you have plenty for yourself you should share it with others. Kind people are superior, not the evil ones.
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>>156235585
Plus he's talking about wars to take other countries resources... which would be such a idiotic thing to do when you have anything you want at the press of a button. It's like anon's brain completely refuses to accept the premise in the first place. Like watching Doctor WHo and going "hurr durr time travel is impossible".
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Shindo nearly cracks at the realization that zaShunina went from a non-verbal being to speaking fluent Japanese in seconds.
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>>156235461
>>156235735
Zashunina looks a potato here compared to the anime.
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>>156208795

its Kemono friends with human characters and politics. See how characters dont cast shadows?
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zaShunina's speech about uncertainty is slightly longer here.
>There is no guarantee that an ally will remain an ally. It is not inevitable that an enemy will remain an enemy.
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>>156235576
>if market fundamentalists like you want to keep the current system going at all costs got their hands on it, nothing would improve
Of course they would and I would too. That's how the world works. People are not equal and will never be. If you think everyone will just magically surrender their interests for some kind of fantasy ideal world, then you're the retarded and naive one.

>>>156235585
>Kind people are superior, not the evil ones.
Kind, evil blah blah blah. People are evil, they are rational beings. If they weren't we wouldn't have all the shit we have now, wouldn't have wars, murder, betrayal etc.
But that's the same nature that brought us all we have now.

>>156235664
People like to feel superior and in charge of others. The mere possibility of obtaining a unique and powerful resource would be enough to start wars world wide.

The point is not having what you want the point is having what other don't have. That's what gives value to objects. The reason water is cheap and diamond are expensive even if everyone needs water and no one needs diamonds per se.

Now imagine an object with infinite value appears, the world would be in chaos.
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>>156235576
I don't think you really know what communism is. Communism would result from a change in human nature due to the proletariat being abused by capitalists. Communism can only be implemented by a new brand of human beings who no longer see themselves as individuals but as an uniform class of equals.
Unlimited energy would not magically change human nature and may in fact make Communism impossible by preventing the proletariat from being exploited by capitalists, which would prevent the proletariat from developing a new consciousness.
While its apparent that ZaShunina wants to implement some form of socialism to instill post-scarcity equality, you cannot throw around the term "communism" without understanding what Communism actually is.
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>>156236140
>>People are evil, they are rational beings
>>People like to feel superior and in charge of others.

There's nothing rational about causing a dystopia when you can have an utopia. And with a source of unlimited energy you could change people's nature. Or give everyone their own planet where they are gods and superior to everyone else. You're thinking so fucking small. But then again this is expeted or the moden right, which has taken to call "rational" what actually fulfills their darkest, most base instincts.

>>156236172
There would be no need for class consciousness because classes would disappear. No class can hoard the limited means of production if there's unlimited everything, including means of production.
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>>156236140
What is your job anon? Or are you still in school?
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>>156236140
Not the guy you're talking to, but the vast majority of violent offenders (especially repeat offenders) seem to have dysfunctional frontal lobes. Their rationality, impulse control and long-term thinking, evolutionary the youngest functions of our brain, are impaired. Violent crime is actually irrational, if anything.
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>>156236608
Yes. But like >>156235915 said, the characters look worse than in the anime.
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>>156236373
>you could change people's nature
No. You can't. That's even the idea behind the word itself οὐ and τόπος literally "no-place".
>But then again this is expeted or the moden right
Oh, I see. A typical commie indeed. Talking about perfect worlds and changing human nature.
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>>156236373
There cannot be unlimited everything because there are still a finite number of natural resources (ZuShunina hasn't offered unlimited resources at this point).
Its not just class consciousness but also the elimination of desire and greed. People will find new things to want even in a post-scarcity society, which will lead to classes of "haves" and "have-nots". People who desire power will still find ways to gain power. In a system where the government controls all means of production, this can be very dangerous.
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>>156236373
>with a source of unlimited energy you could change people's nature
You need to group like minded people to accomplish this dream of utopia, and guess what, the people having different thoughts would also make a group of their own. Until one side wins and that would be either with some kind of god tier brainwash (which I dont think the infinite energy would just make it appear in short amount of time) or genocide, which is easier with current technologies and as history has provided us.

Maybe after two or three generation of the winning team there can be utopia.
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>>156236373
Oh btw. If you talk about changing human nature, does that mean that you agree that as things are as human beings are now that's impossible?

So without creating a new "superior" being that's impossible. Do you agree with that?
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You know what, I'm convinced. Even with unlimited energy and resources and no physical limits to achieving utopia, we wouldn't achieve it because jackoffs like you would want to artificially restrict access to it, because capitalism is a god to you instead of a tool.
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>>156236783
Not him, but our "nature" has already changed many times to a certain extent. The tabula rasa believers were wrong, but our brains still give us a lot of malleability. Violence has dropped enormously since the stone age, our so-called circle of empathy has also expanded to a level unprecedented in the animal kingdom. All this has happened in the last 10, 000 years, without much biological evolution behind it.
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>>156236914
>genocide, which is easier with current technologies and as history has provided us
Percentage-wise, conflicts between our hunter gatherer ancestors were much more destructive than our modern wars.
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>>156237101
Don't listen to him anon. It's never too late to kill his kind.
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>>156237101
Yeah, you're right. You can't achieve that because people are not equal and have conflicting thoughts and opinions. The faster you realise that the better.
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>>156237329
You could literally people everything they wanted, unless what they wanted is "I don't want other people to have nice things" though.
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>>156237305
Further proving my and >>156236914 his point.
Just start wars, genocide, killing each other, chaos. That's what you'll achieve.
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I think this thread is the most philosophical one of all threads on /a/. Maybe I should watch Kemono friends now.
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>>156237378
>people everything they wanted
But people not only want material things. People want power, influence and sense of superiority.

You can't grant them that without taking it from someone else and without abuse.

That's the reason utopia is a no-place that doesn't and will never exist.
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>>156237403
And yet most people won't watch the anime because muh cgi and muh fujoshit
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>>156237760
I'm okay with with because it means less shitposting. At least nips are watching and discussing, good enough for me.
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>>156237513
People want power, influence and a sense of superiority because they:

See having those as the way to make sure they never lose access to the material resources they need

and

Because they want to be remembered after they die and status is a way to leave a legacy behind.

We could figure out a way to make people immortal with the unlimited computing power that unlimited energy would bring.

The only ones who would oppose utopia would be people motivated by pure spite and maliciousness, psychopaths, people who are as far from having rationality as a motivation as you get.
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>>156237513
Until recently, large societies with a murder rate under 3.0 per 100,000 people didn't exist either. Now they do and they are hardly rare.

Nothing can ever change for the better if you pre-emptively decide that things can't be improved.
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>>156237760
>Implying the majority of /a/ actually cares about plot and not pandering that caters them.
Also this >>156237869
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>>156238068
Yeah literally the only obstacle to utopia would be people not wanting utopia.
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>>156211655
If you count government spending as charity it's actually somewhat correct (don't know why you would).
They practically spends like Scandinavia while having tax levels like the US, so you could say they share bread that they don't even have.
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Bigwigs wouldn't want infinite energy anyways. Just think how much money that industry makes. Then suddenly they're all out of the job because some albino twink offers everyone his rainbow balls.
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>>156237901
>See having those as the way to make sure they never lose access to the material resources they need
Not true. Since forever kings, lords and now manufacturers always want more, more and more even if they have everything they could possible want.
People don't have a sense of "too much" you will always want more. More goods, more power, more influence. That's why people keep moving, to achieve the desired.

>We could figure out a way to make people immortal
Do you want to make a thought experiment about how achieving human immortality would affect the world? Fine, you start. How do you see a society with immortal humans?

>motivated by pure spite and maliciousness
What is malice, evil? What do you mean by evil? I don't understand such concept. Anything is beneficial for some and disadvantageous for others. I don't understand the words "good"-"evil". Please specify.

>>156238147
>the only obstacle to utopia would be people not wanting utopia.
Why do you think you have the right to decide what others want? Why to you think you're entitled to say what would be beneficial to others? Some always will disagree with you. And that's why without becoming a different beings humans will never reach utopia.
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>>156238369
Steam engine manufacturing is not what it used to be, the coal industry is dying off, Big Oil is going to run out of oil in the relatively near future and so on. Alien balls or not, the energy industry is changing rapidly.
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>>156236140
>The point is not having what you want the point is having what other don't have. That's what gives value to objects. The reason water is cheap and diamond are expensive even if everyone needs water and no one needs diamonds per se.
>Now imagine an object with infinite value appears, the world would be in chaos.
If Kado can make billion or two of balls for free, everyone will treat these as batteries eventually. Right?
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jobs switch from energy production to infrastructure and engineering to better take advantage of the infinite energy

everyone switches to wam-powered cars.

oil company jews get fucked but at least there's still demand for oil in chemical and material plants

>next next episode space jesus gives everyone infinite matter cloning device
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What if they choose the wrong answer?
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>>156238147
It just takes one ambitious person with a lust for power to destroy a utopia.
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>>156239318
they'd have to go back to their last save
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>>156239137
Well, maybe in that case. If it becomes as common as say water and not only given to a limited number of people. Maybe.

That's a complex thought experiment. If it's as common as water or as accessible as air. What will happen in that case with economy, society, politics? Hm, thanks anon, I'll think about it.
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>>156239318
Space jesus throws one of the plane passenger into the cube for inter-dimensional rape.
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>>156239468
RIP Hanamori
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>>156239318
Space Jesus packs up his cube and leaves.
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This show genuinely has the best writing I've seen in anime for a long time. inb4 pretentious
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>>156240393
You aren't wrong.
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>>156240393
Well it shows. Check the quality of this thread.
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>claims to come from an higher dimension
>his spaceship is a cube instead of a superior sphere
I don't trust space jesus
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>>156240698
>not knowing about Time Cubes

Fucking plebeian.
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>>156240714
translate it weebs
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Speaking of zaShunina's impact, Chapter 1 of the manga ends with this:
>On July 25, 2017, the unknown being that appeared so suddenly would accelerate the course of the world.
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>>156240773
>No no
>this is bad...
>YESSSS!
>America is the pleasure of being cummed inside
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Hypothetically how many years would it take for humanity to completely overhaul society and all its archaic systems to be even be able to accommodate the concept of infinite energy?
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>>156240843
Shindou's neck triggers me.
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>>156240970
According to a precedent set around 70 years ago, maybe 6 years.
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>>156240714
>yamerooooo
>uwaaaaa
>gacha lol lol lol
>yabaiiii
That was pretty much my reaction. The execution was very good, props to the script writer.
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>>156240714
>>156240773
>gatcha lol
>oh shit
>energy industry on suicide watch lol
>world war confirmed
>breaking news: energy industry confirmed for obsolete
>Chinese invasion incoming
>awesome!
>pls stop
>infinite energy, fucking finally
>the best treasure
>Japan is getting invaded
>Now it's your turn, humanity
>please stop, you're gonna start a war
>uh oh...
>He's planning to change human society itself, isn't he
>way too much generosity for human hands
>Middle East and Russia are kill, America's dominance is going to get really shaky
>I'd prefer nuke threats
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>>156240970
Do you want to include how long it would take to get people to even agree to completely reshaping society in the first place.
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by using this simple art and craft, you can make your own kado!
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>>156209056
THE ABSOLUTE MADWAM(uu)
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>>156241499
>how long it would take to get people to even agree to completely reshaping society in the first place.
It's not like they have a choice, do they? Those who don't agree to it will be left behind. You can only fight against the current of time and stall for so long.
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>>156211655
only 51% of his reason is about sharing, you can name all the places that shares more, but they wouldn't fit the other 49% as much as Japan
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>>156240698
Kado is in the boundary between Novo and the universe. And it's not like we could perceive a multidimensional object anyway.
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>>156240843
Is no one translating the manga?
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Open your eyes /a/.

Of course he'd go to Japan first. They make all the good porn and infinite energy only enables them to make even more and indulge in endless hedonism.
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>>156226282
Pls go and stay go
Game >badime
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>>156241794
For now, there's nothing to translate. The dialogue is identical to the show with a few very minor additions (>>156236135, >>156235735). zaShunina's ally/enemy comment is interesting, though.
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>>156241596
You're assuming that the majority of people will be inclined to completely change everything about how the world works instantly.
Many people will skeptical if society should change at all and will say that infinite energy could work with the systems already in place.
Others may argue that against infinite energy in the first place, these may be the countries built on oil, or possibly religious types.
Of those who do want to change society, there will be as many different views on which path to go as there are cultures on the planet. Will everyone on Earth have to live in the same system? Will different nations and cultures be allowed to pick their own system? Will there be an international body to govern and regulate the new world?
There's no way to tell what the right answer is and everyone will believe in their own take on new world.
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What is this? A 3d thread to reach bumplimit?
I'm proud of /a/ again.
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>>156241747
One of the most interesting things about any hypothetical higher-dimensional beings is that they should be able to perceive us from the inside too, just like how we can see the insides of a drawn circle. zaShunina's natural perception must be a trip.
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>>156242128
Also if we were to be rotated the right way then our entire world would disappear from his view
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>>156242204
Hence anisotropic.
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This is "The Day the Earth Stood Still" the anime, isn't it?
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>>156242012
>you're assuming that the majority of people will be inclined to completely change everything about how the world works instantly
No I'm assuming that those that are willing to use and share the wam will have more power than those who either don't use it or only use it for themselves. There's just no avoiding it.
It's not even a matter of wanting to change or not, it's a matter of adapting to survive. Now that wam exists, there is no choice but to use it. If it's being used, then society will change on its own.
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I'm in love with Tsukai, help me
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>>156232085
>>156220623
What the fuck causes you to compare this to Mayoiga?
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>>156242261
The Wam could not win you a war or prevent a nuclear holocaust.
If the US decided "Nah, fuck the Wam. We're sticking to the petrodollar" they could invade Japan and seize all the Wam within a day.
Even in a war between world powers, the Wam wouldn't make much difference because there wouldn't of been enough time to adapt to it.

And still, people are going to have a majority contrasting ideas about how society should move forward, both at international and national levels.
Look at how long its taking for relatively simple measures to move forward, like Brexit in Europe and health care reform in the US. Now imagine how long it would take to completely restructure society.
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>>156242375
Tsukai a cute.
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>>156208582
Unocle
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>>156241434
>energy industry on suicide watch lol
>I'd prefer nuke threats
My sides
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>>156242602
>If the US decided "Nah, fuck the Wam. We're sticking to the petrodollar"
At most they'd decide "Give our government the wam, everyone else can stick to the petrodollar."

>they could invade Japan and seize all the Wam within a day.
It's fucking tiny baubles that are functionally created instantly, from nothing, without apparent limit, by an alien with unbreakable shielding. I don't think you can cut off the supply using force.
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>>156241513
STOP IT
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>>156223186
>He is a mineral miner
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>>156229812
>I'm no expert in economy but couldn't they postpone the use of Wam?
The moment wam was revealed, the stock market would already be going off rails regardless of whether you claim to postpone it or not. Its presence is not just a mere "alternative energy source" that's somewhat better enough that the old one is still prominent, 'Infinity" renders all the other sources to completely irrelevant. There's no good reason to keep investing on those that have absolutely no future.
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>>156241499
>agree
They don't have to agree, anon, because it's not necessarily a concerted effort. If you introduce something this hugely revolutionary and individually-desirable, then regardless of whether it's even legal, some people are going to have it, those people are going to have an advantage, things are going to be affected by that advantage, and it's going to proliferate to a certain degree. The reshaping of society isn't necessarily an organized/unified effort, it's just the process of adaptation to a new development/factor, and that starts as soon as that new thing is introduced.
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>>156242602
>If the US decided "Nah, fuck the Wam. We're sticking to the petrodollar" they could invade Japan and seize all the Wam within a day
That's what I call stalling. Ultimately they're just delaying the inevitable. Which is people stealing these back, or the aylien giving out new ones like candy.

>look at how long its taking for relatively simple measures to move forward, like Brexit in Europe and health care reform in the US. Now imagine how long it would take to completely restructure society
Healthcare and brexit are bureaucratic procedures. You can't compare that to the change technology spontaneously brings to society. When personal computers/guns/cars, became a thing, the people didn't need the state to introduce these to them or to reshape society anew. The people did that on their own. Technology shapes society. There is no exception.
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>>156229389
>No "new economy" could possibly be formed
Bullshit, anon. Economic activity, and money in general, is a matter of needing/wanting things from other people, and even infinite electricity doesn't magically supply all the those things you need from other people. You still need money as leverage to get yourself food, entertainment, housing, repair services, appliances/electrical devices (electricity doesn't build those on its own), etc.
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>>156243328
guns were heavily regulated and only available to the government and the nobility.
cars are only useful because of public roads being made to accommodate them (good luck driving your car on a dirt road in the rain)
The only reasons we have computers in the first place is because the US military needed fancier calculators to make it easier to shell the Germans and Japs
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>>156243585
infinite electricity = electricity is free.
Nowadays everythings works on electricity. Literally everything (food and goods production is robotized, computers, light, cities, everything).
You make electricity free = you make everything that associated with it free.

electricity is unlimited -> electricity is free -> everything is free -> economy collapses -> society collapses -> anarchy/chaos
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>>156243934
>electricity is free -> everything is free
The fuck, quite a jump there.
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>>156243934
>You make electricity free = you make everything that associated with it free.
toppest of keks, mate
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>>156243934
You still need materials, assembly, transportation, civil services, health care, research of all kinds, and so on. Claiming that free energy makes everything free is flat out retarded.
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>>156207252
I feel like this show had great potential but will sink in a few episodes
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>>156234064
This is the only Correct answer.
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>>156244123
Same. I sometimes get the feeling that writers in anime try to handle stories too big or complex for their own ability.
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>>156243934
>You make electricity free = you make everything that associated with it free.
> electricity is free -> everything is free
No, this isn't how anything fucking works. Like I just god damn said, electricity doesn't build appliances on its own. Electricity doesn't grow food, it doesn't build houses, it doesn't treat illness, it doesn't draw anime. You need labor for that. You need people to do that labor. You need money to make those people do that. That's what economic activity fucking is. You're retarded.
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>>156243934
>infinite electricity = electricity is free
but we already have infinite electricity and it isn't free
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>>156223186
>It is a matter of one's identity
>There is no meaning to the paradox of Theseus
Honestly, those two are incredibly ominous.
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>>156245318
Theseus' paradox really is meaningless, though. All remotely complex living beings are constantly undergoing gradual internal replacement. The you today is different from the you that lived five years ago, for example.
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>>156243998
>>156244037
>>156244093
>>156245127
Fine, dearest anons. Not free but extremely cheap. Electricity is an energy source. Electrical energy is converted to mechanical energy (motors in refrigerators, air-conditioning units, vacuum cleaners), thermal energy (space heating, clothes dryers, water heating), or radiation. Basically it could be converted in any other energy.

If electricity is free than cost of things like transportation and production would collapse. If its unlimited and free there would be no resistance to creating more and more advanced technologies and computers/robots that would ultimately replace humans in every spheres aside from the artistic ones and even there they probably could.

What then? If powering a rocket, a train or any machine costs nothing, if a computer of unlimited capabilities could be built? Do you think there would be need in work anymore? The real question, then, is how, in an energy based economy, how does a business make money? Things would become easier to make and cheaper to buy. Sea water could be converted into drinking water almost for free. Most industries would collapse, as well as capitalism. When everything is plenty, everything could be found and reached.

The idea itself violets the basic axiom of physics and energy economics: energy is neither created nor
destroyed but can be converted among forms.

How will this society function? The hell I know, it will sure not be like anything we ever experienced. Doubtful that it could survive.
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>>156246510
>Doubtful that it could survive

That's the point. It evolves.
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>>156230656
>Air isn't a resource

Confirmed for fucking retarded.
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>>156246181
In this context though, if you died and your body was reconstructed with the memories of your life implanted, is the reconstruction really you?
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>>156246883
Yes, why wouldn't it be?
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>>156246994
Your original consciousness would be gone. The reconstruction would be a new person with false memories.
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>>156230740
This smile is not fair. I know I'd spend months lobbying for whatever the guy wants for free if this smile was directed at me.
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Holy shit, bump limit.
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>>156247038
If you can't perceive any difference between your previous self and current self, the current self is completely identical, and there are no alternative selves to question your authenticity, then for all intents and purposes you are the same person you have always been.
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>>156247038
But if you consider that what makes you you are your memories, then there is no such thing as false memories, or a fake you.
Now whether the original consciousness would wake up in this new body or never wake up, that's another matter entirely. I doubt even the guy himself would know. That's what freaks me out about transhumanism.
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>>156246587
If you can think of it would be nice of you do describe a working society that could function under these conditions beside evolving to another form of living beings.
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>>156246181
> All remotely complex living beings are constantly undergoing gradual internal replacement
It'd be pretty easy to make a definition that distinguished between gradual change by progressive smaller ones vs. a sudden large change, though. You could also consider spatial consistency as a requirement, etc., and there's always the "but what if you just copied it and the original wasn't destroyed, then it'd be the same process except there'd be two separate things and only one would be you, and that's silly because whether the new one is you or not shouldn't hinge only on whether the original is destroyed" argument, and stuff like that. In the end, it's still sort of meaningless since it's just a semantic distinction about what we call "you," but the cellular replacement thing certainly isn't the discussion-ender you're making it out to be.
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>>156247299
So much good discussion.
Unironically made me think.
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>>156247343
>Now whether the original consciousness would wake up in this new body or never wake up, that's another matter entirely.
That's more what I was getting at.
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>>156247364
Good
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>>156247343
I see no problem with this. If I feel like myself, then it's me. If multiple "mes" showed up for whatever reason, I think we'd get along just fine.
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That was a nice thread.
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>>156247364
One of the best /a/ threads in a very long time.
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>>156247409
I don't think it would, to be honest. Still we should protect the reconstructed guy's feeling and not bring that shit up.
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>>156248102
We don't need any clones with existential crises and survivor's guilt.
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>>156248257
But then how are rich megalomaniacs gonna ruin the world beyond their death?
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>>156243181
Thank you, your post taught me more things than everything the other anon posted.
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>>156247343
I wonder if the show is going to go in that direction.
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I want to cosplay space Jesus
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>>156248724
They basically said the same things.
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>>156247343
Along those same lines, if your consciousness woke up, but you lost all of your memories, would you still be you?
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>>156248835
I doubt it. The focus seems to be on the way humanity reacts to a new and unprecedented situation rather than any individual crises.
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>http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/KadoTheRightAnswer
Help fill it out, /a/
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>>156248835
>passengers released
>you got swallowed by the cube, you actually died drama
>alien skinwalkers scare
Space jesus pull a "cant be helped" face and returns to his world.The end.
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>>156208582
purpose
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>>156248944
It depends, I think. Are memories the only thing that make you, you? If you You 2.0 likes a certain kind of music, is it because you remember liking it or simply because it's somehow imprinted in your brain or something?
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Is this Philosophy and Economics General?
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>>156249330
yes
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Goodbye, sweet /a/
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>>156213452
Why are people always so triggered by this? Have you never seen Hollywood shit? Even Gate is harmless compared to generic Murrica shit regarding propaganda.
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>>156248944
I don't think so.
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POSTING BEFORE ARCHIVE
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>>156249499
But this one I was raised with, I don't detect it anymore, it's just cheesy muh freedom americans being cheesy muh freedom americans.
With japan however it's very cringy. Not sure why.
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>>156249499
Funny enough,there are people watching anime with its wacky stories getting mad at this too.Good source of laugh until they take over the thread though.
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