Dragon Ball Super

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>>156200235
Trunks trained with the Z- Sword by slicing blocks

This is finally his time to shine in the manga

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>>156200235
Time for Trunks to finish what he started.

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Ouch.

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>>156200394
That's a very nice pic.

>>156200394
He didn't.
kaioshin didn't even manage to throw the block even.

>>156200394
Damn that looks good, is that official artwork?

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How do you go from Spirit Bomb Blade to cutting blocks?

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>Goku has trained with 2 deities, performed an ancient god ascending ritual, has the genetic potential for zenkai boosts, been in the time chamber twice, and near endlessly trained the last 10 years

>Somehow some regular dude who is just a genetically enhanced human went unnoticed training in the woods to catch up with him.

Like I'll just barely buy Frieza training for 4 months if he had never trained before and was just always that strong, his transformations are relative to his base form's strength, he was the greatest of his race, had an entire galaxy of resources to accommodate his training, and he was a prodigy and some shit.

But you can't tell me that somehow 17 got to the point of pushing goku to Blue when there is already a massive gap between SSJ 2 and 3 and 17 was barely stronger than 1.

>>156200437
I forgot about those blocks. Now I'm curious to see how the final battle will end.

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Best waifus
>Vados
>Cus
>Marcarita
>Chronoa
>Towa

>>156200613
>massive gap between SSJ 2 and 3
SSJ3 is only 4x stronger than SSJ2

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Was was Fusion Zamasu not that much stronger than un-fused Goku and Vegeta in the manga?

In the anime, Fusion Zamasu was much more threatening

>>156200702
Why was*

>>156200235
It's the new Mary Sue Power Boosts™, that's how they plan to make old characters relevant.

The most retarded thing is, the entire premise for past-DBZ aka Super is Goku (and Vegeta) ascending to have power that rivals the tower that is Beerus's power.

Now randoms like Android 17 are giving SSB Goku trouble, implying that reaching that kind of power is pretty easy

>>156200569
>is that official artwork?

Yes but it's new. Probably meant for international release?

>>156200702
> not much stronger

he is untouchable in the manga. he just doesn't have that JRPG-tier cross halo shit

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>>156200786
>Now randoms like Android 17 are giving SSB Goku trouble

Not only was 17 absent since the Cell Saga (so he could've been training), but Goku was only testing 17. Not going all-out.

>>156200702
Zamasu is strong in the manga, he is was just "holding back" when a drained Goku operating <1/10th capacity managed to penetrate him.

>>156200235
>implying these aren't blocks of muh EMOTIONAL DAMAGE he is throwing

Meanwhile, anime Goku is holding back against Master Roshi while going Super Saiyan Blue x10 Kaioken.

>>156200702
Merged Zamasu had a terrible showing in the anime too. Between his personally having virtually non of Black's, being overwhelmed in a beam struggle by Trunks & co as well as the spirit bomb deus ex machina sword, I honestly took Black way more seriously.

>>156200437
>Shin: This is Kattin Steel
>Zamasu: This is Klangite

What did viz mean by this?

>>156200849
>he is untouchable in the manga

Manga Fusion Zamasu:
> Gets pierced by 10% Goku

Anime Fusion Zamasu:
> Goku goes all-out and only blasts half of his face skin away. Also could be explained by his fusion back-firing from Black's mortality. Goku BREAKS his arms doing so.

>>156200989
You mean
>A fusion between Black & Zamasu BTFO by Trunks

>>156200235
Was Merged Zamasu a mistake? They needed retcons and asspulls to have a chance against him. Not good.

>>156201041
By Trunks with a Genkidama Sword coming out of nowhere.
But don't worry, I think Merged Zamasu was just holding back due to all the emotional damage he suffered.

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So Black is easily a more entertaining character in the anime.

But how about Zamasu?

Fusion Zamasu seems to be worse in the manga too...

>>156200989
>Manga Zamasu
>Doesn't give a fuck and regenerates

>Anime Zamasu
>REEEEE's and his right arm and face get fucked up

???

>>156200989
I think the face blast by Goku in the anime is comparable in power to his piercing beam in the manga. Both are bad writing imo, based on previous examples of "massive power gaps", Zamasu should have shrugged those beams right off.

>>156200613
>Like I'll just barely buy Frieza training for 4 months if he had never trained before and was just always that strong, his transformations are relative to his base form's strength, he was the greatest of his race, had an entire galaxy of resources to accommodate his training, and he was a prodigy and some shit.

So, just like 17?

>>156200700
When you're dealing with numbers in the billions or trillions, a 4x increase is monstrous, anon.

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>>156200702
>In the anime, Fusion Zamasu was much more threatening

Not really.

Lost a beam clash against Future Trunks and Vegeta.
Lost another beam clash against Goku by himself resulting in half his face being disfigured.
Goku then precedes to combo his ass and knock him out with Kaioken.
He got enraged and requested a power up, saying a weak God is worthless.
Seems to do ok against Vegetto only then to get rekted by Future Trunks.


In the manga Manga Zamasu utter destroys both Goku and Vegeta.
Goku gets a sneak attack in but Zamasu laughs it off.
Then he fights Vegetto who is compared to Beerus, he's losing but can't really be defeated since he's full on immortal.

Toyo can actually write, he is just holding back!

>>156201107
later episode Zamasu is fucking cringeworthy

N-NINGEN! YOU CAN'T PUT OUT MY LIGHT REEEE!!!

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What do you think she's been up to?

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>>156201041
>>A fusion between Black & Zamasu BTFO by Trunks

Except it was SSRage Trunks + borrowed power (base Goku/Vegeta + Gowasu + Shin + Human Resistance, Yajirobe, Android 8, nature, etc)

AND SSRage Trunks didn't beat Zamasu. He just made it worse.

>>156201140
It could be explaining with Frieza holding back against Goku during the Namek arc, but Goku capitalized on this delivering emotional damage that gave him the upper hand. Shin probably would agree and explain why Freiza might be stronger than Beerus.

>>156200702
In the anime Goku returned his super ball attack with a kamehameha, by himself.

Spoiler: Toei and Toriyama want to keep powerlevels in the series, but don't give a fuck about having them make sense.

>>156201169
TOYO TOOK DAMAGE

EMOTIONAL DAMAGE

But seriously outside of the Vegito fighting for like 30 seconds this is way better than the anime

>>156201094
Still mad about this crap

>Vegeta survives a genkidama
>Trunks KOes Zamasu using one made with a bunch of people, a cat and a flower

>>156200613
17 is the same shit than freezer, at least, he needed 13 years for that.

Freezer only needed 2 MONTH.

>>156201189
Not up to Tien, that is for sure. Bitch got told hard.
Probably selling her body like a whore now, though.

>>156201124
>Doesn't give a fuck

See: >>156200448

That's not the face of "not giving a fuck".

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Leave the Tournament of Power to me

>>156201055
They also needed retcons so Merged Zamasu doesn't win too fast. Vegito having a time limit & the Giygas shit included.

>>156200929
It's better than being injured by a 1/10 SSB Goku.

>>156200235

>tfw just watched episode 86
>see that tomorrow's episode is just another No. 17 ep

I keep hoping that all of this buildup with nonsensical trainings and power boosts is just basically filler before the real stuff starts, but I'm having a terrible fear that this is actually supposed to be the big part of the arc, and the actual tournament will only be a few episodes.... and we might not even get a true big bad villain developed.... fuck

>>156201223
Don't kid yourself. Zamasu was far more threatening in the anime and he had an arseonal of abilities fitting of a God: ring of light that erased matter, ki constructs, lighting from the sky. His strongest attack in the manga so far is throwing a bunch of blocks.

>>156201209
That's litterally like saying they want to keep the evolution aspect of pokemon, but what the pokemon evolves into is random and dependent on plot.

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>>156201251
Are you questioning the amazing writing of Super, buddy?

>>156201167
>MUH SNEAK ATTACK MEME
>MUH POWERLEVEL

Choose one.

>>156201251
Wasn't Kid Buu the only kill from the Genkidama before Zamasu?

>>156201205
>SSRage Trunks + borrowed power (base Goku/Vegeta + Gowasu + Shin + Human Resistance, Yajirobe, Android 8, nature, etc)

So fucking nothing, Goku and vegeta were half dead, the kaioshins are weak as shit, yajirobe is a nobody and the human resistance is inconsequential, plus the planet was almost entirely destroyed and even then, the power of the earth wasn't enough to kill vegeta in the saiyan saga.

>>156201167
>Lost a beam clash against Future Trunks and Vegeta
Together they only managed to break his halo

> Goku by himself
SSB Goku broke his arms and only managed to change half his skin color

>>156201167
>Lost another beam clash against Goku by himself resulting in half his face being disfigured.
Tbf, he didn't really lose that clash, both the beams exploded midway.

>>156201107
I like Manga Zamasu better. His interactions with Gowasu and how he grabbed Black out of frustration was better to me. Anime Zamasu was just Black's bitch.

>>156201205
>SSRage Trunks + borrowed power (base Goku/Vegeta + Gowasu + Shin + Human Resistance, Yajirobe, Android 8, nature, etc)
So in other words, things that shouldn't add up to anything on Fusion Zamasu's level. Goku & Vegeta were dead tired yet I'm betting they made up most of the energy.

>>156201340
Exactly.

>>156201205
>Gowasu + Shin
Stop with these lies, there are no scenes showing these two giving Ki to Trunks.

>>156201167
>Then he fights Vegetto who is compared to Beerus,

According to the forever reliable Shin.

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>freeza goes to SSB levels in a few months
ok
>guy who was several times stronger than freeza and has literally unlimited energy/stamina gets to a similar level in 10+ years
IMPOSSIBLE DB IS RUINED

You guys are this retarded.

>>156201308
It's worse than having his giant ball attack pushed back by Goku single handedly.

>>156201368
Which means goku's beam was of equal or greater power than Zamasu's beam.

Manga improvements:

>Zamasu is still immortal. It doesn't disappear during fusion
>The potara nerf applies to Zamasu and black who clearly weren't gods
>They mention it not being Buu who broke them apart without forgetting that happened.
>Merged zamasu is far above everyone but SSB Vegito is clearly as strong as everyone though he should be given the merger and fusion multipliers.
>no shitty purple and green zamasu

>>156201277
That was Vegetto's attack, not Goku's

Read the chapter before posting

>>156201251

>people still somehow don't realize the insane power boosts given to genki dama by Goku and Vegeta

At this point I don't know if you're just memeing or retarded. Even a 30% power SSB contribution by either of those two would be stronger than the genki dama that killed Buu.

>>156201336
You mean some of the most un-Dragon Ball seeming attacks in Super & many pulled out of his ass.

>>156201336
He lost to trunks and was injured by goku

>>156201376
>His interactions with Gowasu and how he grabbed Black out of frustration was better to me.

Oh boy, I agree! I certainly love quarrels between same person couples!
Good old emotional damage delivering quality reading content.

>>156201445
Had to sacrifice both of his arms just to achieve that.

>>156201416
The fact that Vegeto isn't many times stronger than Beerus just keeps showing how retarded the powerlevels in super got.

>Beerus is supposed to have been entertained by Goku by himself, when a fusion of a much stronger goku and an even stronger vegeta only "compares" to Beerus.

>>156201336
>had an arseonal of abilities fitting of a God
>beam spam

wew

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>>156201349
And guess what? Trunks did fucking nothing

Trunks was lucky that attack was in sword-form, so Zamasu couldn't regenerate after being sliced in half.

But in the end, Zamasu won the battle. He only lost the war because of Zen-chan

>>156201167
>Lost a beam clash against Future Trunks and Vegeta.
They decide to unite their force, in contrary to the manga.

>Lost another beam clash against Goku by himself resulting in half his face being disfigured.
Did you see how fucked up goku's arms were after his beam?

>Goku then precedes to combo his ass and knock him out with Kaioken.
Zamasu was still surprised by the kamehameha, you can see it clearly, even goku said "what's wrong?"

>He got enraged and requested a power up, saying a weak God is worthless.
Much better than zamasu jobbing directly to Vegeto in the same chapter where he appear for the 1st time.

>In the manga Manga Zamasu utter destroys both Goku and Vegeta.
Not hard to destroy a 1/10 SSB goku.

>Then he fights Vegetto who is compared to Beerus, he's losing but can't really be defeated since he's full on immortal.
Vegeto going SSB was retarded as fuck, did he know that punching him will be useless since he talk about not letting him regenerate?

He should have used SSG.

He was able to hurt merged zamasu at base form.

He should have go straight to the beam.

>>156201419

I just want to know HOW the fuck he achieved it. A simple two or three sentences of exposition would be fine. Just... how? He wasn't training with any of the Z fighters. He wasn't trained by Beerus. He didn't have a ROSAT. It just makes no sense.

>>156200702
I couldn't take him seriously when he was pulling random magic jrpg shit out of his ass in the anime.

>>156201496
>Complaining about exotic energy attacks from one of the strongest characters in Super

Grasping at straws are we?

>>156201497
Yeah, well, why in the world would you want to give Trunks the shaft in his own arc?

>>156201449
>>The potara nerf applies to Zamasu and black who clearly weren't gods
But they were gods, they just weren't the right kind of gods for permafusion.

>>156201518
beerus does sekret training

>>156201209

See: >>156201308

>>156201501
Name one noteworthy thing about Anime Zamasu that doesn't involve Black.

>>156201479
>base goku and base vegeta
>SSB power

???

>>156201476
Goku's was even worse

10% Goku PIERCING Fusion Zamasu?

>>156201653
Zamasu was h-holding back.

>>156201593
>exotic
It's as bad an asspull as some of the other shit in this arc. I was two seconds away from thinking he'd start challenging the protagonists to a children's card game.

>>156201653
H-he was h-holding back.

>>156201607
>regenerates

Oh wow good work defeating him, a-at least we gave him e-emotional damage, right?

>>156201557
So you prefer generic villain #38 throwing blocks and getting pierced by 1/10 Goku?

>>156201518
Are you implying Vegetto being comparable to Beerus in the manga is more than fanwaking from Toyotaro? With even Shin being the announcer of this farce, oh the joy.
Whis said it himself: Beerus is like a castle and Goku & Vegeta are like little trees. Two trees together shouldn't even compare to a castle.

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Super Namek God Piccolo when?

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>>156201521
This, Manga Zamasu's telekinesis and utilizing Kattin the hardest material in the Universe was more interesting than Anime Zamasu's beam spam imo.

Offcial U7 contestants ranking:
1. Kakarotto
2. Lapis
3. Buu
4. Kuririn
5. Lazuli
6 Prince Vegeta
7. KamiNailiccolo
8. Kame sennin sama
9. Tien Shinhan
10. Gohan

>>156201613
He was holding back and could actually defeat everybody there, even Black.
I think he was doing the same in the manga, shame the terrifying emotional damage he got was too much for him to handle.

>>156201549
>Zamasu won the battle
Was there any foreshadowing or anything preceding the out of body nonsense? Even Cell's survival was from Frieza genes & Namekian regeneration. Zamasu's immortality meaning fusion with universe doesn't follow.

>>156201688
>energy attacks from one of the strongest characters
>asspull
>when the other strongest character like GoDs and Angels have far more exotic and asspullish abilities

Come on

>>156201735
What does a tree multiplied by another tree equal?

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>>156201706
This manga arc is a joke

>>156201653
It was a Kamehameha of EMOTIONAL DAMAGE, dumbass.
Zamasu is weak against that.

>>156201653
I guess Majin Vegeta making a hole in Majin Buu's body makes him really weak too

>>156201721
I prefer stuff that makes sense, yes.

>>156201788
>Ki blasts
>Death Ball clones
>Hakai, truly being a GoD destroying is odd

>>156200613

After-effects of power creep

>>156201823
God body/=/Buu's body.

>>156200613
>this doesn't make sense

Welcome to Super.
I mean Z was already stetching it at some parts.

Regardless of what one may say the anime portrayed Zamasu's god complex better in the way he fought.

He acts like a goofball by comparison in the manga.

>>156201788
Aside from time travel Whis, it ain't much & not nearly the breadth of Zamasu's crap.

>>156201784
Just that Fusion Zamasu was immortal and his power was forever increasing

Not to mention his immortality was granted by Super Shenron.

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>SS3 Goku can't defeat Buu
>SS2 Vegeta is able to destroy his legs

Why is kid buu such a joke in the manga?

>>156201984
No.

>>156201843
> 1/10 Goku
> Makes sense

> Boring blocks
> "I prefer it because it makes sense"

>>156201988
You're fucking retarded.

God body/=/Buu's body
Ningen's body/Buu's body.

>>156201984
Stay dead Cell. I don't want Super to mess you up too. Your new form would probably be hideous.

>>156201976
Zalama the dragon god of creation. And yeah. That's kind of broken.

>>156200688
Oh boy, she finally got a name. Time to search for lewds.

>>156201823
>>156201988

Except Zamasu isn't supposed to be made of gum.

Keep being retarded.

>>156201984
Toyo apparently did

>>156201976
>Just that Fusion Zamasu was immortal and his power was forever increasing
That's the problem. That doesn't imply half the things that occurred.

If it was consistent, Zamasu should have regenerated, half-immortal or full. Nowhere did it imply having an increasing power and an immortal body imply fusion with universe.

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>>156202058

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>>156200786
The entire premise for Super is getting paid.

Turn off your brain, enjoy the powerlevels and buy our shit

>>156202070
You're right, he's made of purple goo, very different

>>156201653
holding back bro, just holding back

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>>156201988
Buu tends to be aware of his regeneration. He gives less fucks than Chris-Chan gets fucks.

>>156202083
With no body to contain him, his immortal and divine soul was released

>>156202175
>boring gun can hurt him

Why is Super Buu such a jobber in the manga?

>>156202071
Underrated.

>>156202130
What were they thinking?

>>156202190
Presumably, immortal body means both immortal soul & that he has the option of ditching the body when destroyed.

>>156202083
If you ask too much question, remember that a human was able to make a time machine.

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>>156201907
>the anime portrayed Zamasu's god complex better
>He acts like a goofball by comparison in the manga.

Muh tears will heal the universe!!!
Please.

>>156202190
>With no body to contain him, his immortal and divine soul was released
So he's supposed to be dead?

>>156202239
If you prove me that Zamasu's body has the same composition as Buu's body, you win.

>>156202310
Yes, it was fucking great, it showed how fucked up his mind was.

>>156201735
Yeah, Goku's power is so microscopic compared to beerus the entire plot of BoTG makes no fucking sense, because we're supposed to believe an ant like Goku entertained Beerus.

>>156200394
Is Trunks doing the Genkidama pose from the Saiyan Saga?

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>This thread

Please tell me we're discussing power levels ironically

>>156201769
>Zamasu's ultimate last resort attack is throwing rocks
>Goku somehow hurts his fist with some small metal blocks

You can't make this shit up.

>>156202361
Maybe because he never fighted against someone stronger than goku SSJ with god ki?

>>156202284
But anon, humanity made both Arale & the androids. That & all the capsules means human technology stronk.

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>>156202366

>>156201769
If Shin can also throws these metals, why is he such a weakling then?

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>>156201984
Always.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px8aiW3GEME
Or maybe I just miss my childhood because I'm a massive fag

>>156202401
Whis exists. Champa exists.
There is zero plausibility in the idea that goku somehow managed to satisfy Beerus while being comparatively less than a baby in terms of strength.

>>156202422
You can't accept this and then complain about other fucked up things.

A time machine?

Really?

>>156201449
>Zamasu is still immortal. It doesn't disappear during fusion
This, in the anime they pretty much fucked themselves over since Merged Zamasu wasn't as strong as Black nor did he have the full immortal of Future Zamasu. The fusion was unnecessary since Black could apparently stab himself to catch up to Vegeta's one year of training and the heroes had no way of using the Mafuba again.

>>156201769
Why does he even bother? Goku shouldn't be able to even bruise him.

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>>156202058
>>156202130
>>156202242

>>156200235
I always thought he was a hack.

>>156202514
The fact that vegeta was able to corner black just by turning SSG is a bigger problem. Vegeta wasn't having trouble because Black was outlasting him, vegeta was having trouble because Black was OVERPOWERING him. Turning red to conserve energy should have done fuckall.

>>156202483
Except Beerus never stated that he had fighted Whis, he was just trained by him as far as we know.

Also, he was bored since century.

>>156200235
I read it, and I honestly liked it.

I like how Zamasu has a time limit to deal with too, and he was genuinely kicking Goku/Vegeta's ass. Him getting his shit pushed in by Vegito made sense.

I was disappointed by the lack of SSG Vegito though.

>>156202483
Beerus can't fight Champa without destroying the universe

>>156202540
Is shin SSB tier then?

Since he also use zamasu's ultimate attack?

>>156202540
>Base goku can lift it
>SSG Goku somehow gets bruised by it instead of just flicking it away

Bravo.

>>156202582
>Except Beerus never stated that he had fighted Whis
Are you fucking stupid? They would have sparred at some point.
And even if he hadn't, he has fought Champa.

Haven't read the new chapter, does Zamasu have a limit because of black?

>>156202511
Different person. Human technology stronk

>>156202635
Why doesn't he do the bullshit he and goku did to prevent the vaseline powerpoint dissolve death of the universe?

And again, fact remains goku is retconned to be less than a baby compared to Beerus. The idea that he was entertained by that fight is nonsensical.

>>156202660
see >>156202635

>>156202668
Apparently, the fusion is limited if you're not A TRUE KAIOSHIN.

Even though he was able to use the time ring easily.

This is retarded.

>>156202693
A fucking time machine?

A thing that fucked the god's ass.

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>>156202580

By nullifying the waste of ki you can get a pretty big power up.

Although it wasn't the same method, it was the same logic behind Goku and Gohan coming out of the RoSaT much stronger than Trunks and Vegeta. Nullifying the ki drain of the basic SSJ gave them a pretty sizable boost, and that's basically Vegeta doing the same with Blue, which was noted as having a very large cost, both to start and to maintain the form.

>>156202668
No, he's just pathetically weak.
Tired, base form vegeto blew half his body away.
Hell, Goku Blue blew half his torso away.

>>156202660
>Future Trunks sword
>Mai can lift it
>People get hurt by it
(You)

>>156202580
>Vegeta wasn't having trouble because Black was outlasting him
Actually it is this, since Vegeta entered SSB before Black got SSR. Also the fact Future Zamasu could heal him forever while the heroes had limited Senzu beans.

>>156202736
>By nullifying the waste of ki you can get a pretty big power up.
No you can't. Red is weaker. All vegeta was doing was increasing his endurance, which was never the reason he was losing to Black.

>>156202720
>Even though he was able to use the time ring easily.
Black also was able to use the ring though, in spite of not even having god ki in base.

And they also aren't bound to a GoD, unlike a real Kaioshin.

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I prefer the mentally fucked up, angry, crying, god complex Fusion Zamasu than the generic villain Fusion Zamasu

>>156202736
And that shit was useless since vegeto didn't use this trick.

Vegeto didn't even used SSG.

So many things wrong in this chapter.

>>156202720
Human technology stronk. Zamasu masturbates to the though of ningen getting inside him all night.

>>156202795
>And that shit was useless since vegeto didn't use this trick.
Obviously because only Vegeta could not Goku.

>>156202756
The sword is sharp. The blocks are not. Nice try.

>>156202768
>Actually it is this
It was never implied to be the case. Vegeta went blue, then Zamasu went Rose and steamrolled him. He wasn't tired, just weaker.

>>156202789
>generic villain Fusion Zamasu
You mean Zamasu in general?

>>156202783
Black's soul is godly, he also has the potolas.

>And they also aren't bound to a GoD, unlike a real Kaioshin.
The old kai is tied to Beerus I guess?

Stop defending this inconsistency

>>156202646
Considering Goku was able to catch that one, nope

>>156202841
That's retarded. Vegetto's "Vegeta" side should know how

>>156202860
>He wasn't tired
Yes he was read the chapter again.

>>156202781
>No you can't
Yes, they can, like shown in the Cell Saga.

>Red is weaker.
Vegeta was attacking and defending with Blue in bursts though, not Red. Red was just there since it was the strongest transformation without a significant cost, but the power of the actual attacks was coming from Blue.

It's effectively a Blue boosted by no waste of energy.

>>156202841
>Having the capacity of two body
>The other body make you actually more shitty

Ooooooooooookayyyyyyyyyy.

And what about SSG?

Where is it?

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>>156202860
Silly anon. We all know that non-sharp trucks are the deadliest.

>>156202911
Shin didn't try to kill him here.

Since shin and zamasu use the same technique, the same metals, Shin is SSB tier according to Toyotaro.

Great.

>>156202795
>Vegeto didn't even used SSG.
He used SSG in the beginning of the chapter, but got hit out of it before even noticing Merged Zamasu's movement (which means he can't possibly have switched to Blue there to take the hit), which is likely why he stopped doing that.

>>156202974
trucks do not harm the kongo

>>156202936
>Having the capacity of two body
>The other body make you actually more shitty
mmm
Isn't that like Bio Zamasu in the anime?

>>156202990
Wait, ignore this post. I read Vegeto as Vegeta.

>>156202925
>Yes he was read the chapter again.
Prove it.
And furthermore, why is Blue, a form of god ki that supposedly arises from perfect ki control, apparently have worse ki drain than SS3? Because apparently turning it makes you 10 times weaker within a couple minutes.

>>156202927
>Yes, they can, like shown in the Cell Saga.
No, you can't. Goku and Gohan didn't become stronger simply by nullifying waste of ki. They became stronger because they stayed in that form for a year, while training. Just having more endurance doesn't allow you to overpower a much stronger enemy.

>>156202927
>Vegeta was attacking and defending with Blue in bursts though
Meaning that Vegeta's top power was still blue, the form he got trashed in by Rose.

>>156202990
>Vegeto=Vegeta

What?

Vegeto was able to hurt merged Zamasu with just his base form.

SSG was more than enough.

Jesus christ, why defending this shit?

I loved the previous chapter, especially the beginning of the arc, but this one is plain trash

>>156200211
>>156200120
ah, is the the son of the brilliant scientist Bardock, i've been hearing about?

>>156202883
>The old kai is tied to Beerus I guess?
I mean, they made sure to kill his future self in the manga too.

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Leave Jiren to me.

>>156202988
It's just a block, anon. Intent to kill doens't make it deadly. It's just a block that should be as light as a pebble to a SSG.

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You guys are still arguing about Toyo's shit show?

How about discussing more important matters

>>156202988
Since Goku and Roshi use the same technique, the same energy, Roshi is SSB tier

Great

>>156203033
>Lul TOEI IS WORSE.
>I HAVE NO ARGUMENT, LET'S BRING THE INCONSISTENCY FROM THE ANIME TO DEFEND THOSE FROM THE MANGA

Immortaly wasn't something zamasu acquired by training.

>>156203186
Dude, calm down.

>>156203123
>I mean, they made sure to kill his future self in the manga too.

Do you have any proof beside headcanon?

>>156203177
I don't understand how can they be the same person. Why the fuck did Toei made her design so different?
I'm honestly getting tired of DBS, I don't mind giving the middle finger to Powerlevels but they should keep their character designs consistent, at least.

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>>156202988
Epic nitpicking anon

I guess every kid in DB is super saiyan tier, since they can throw rocks like Goten

>>156203100
Goku specifically talks about his power exploding there due to saving energy and using Blue in bursts. Even if you don't like the explanation, it IS the explanation.

>They became stronger because they stayed in that form for a year, while training.
The training was specifically about reducing the wear and cost of the form though, and that resulted in a large power up.

>>156203179
Kamehameha can change thanks to the ki.

What can zamasu change to a fucking metals?

Make it more clean?

>>156202789
>mentally fucked up, angry, crying, god complex Fusion Zamasu isn't generic

>implying Malik wasn't generic, shitty and also a incompetent villain
He didn't take part in the BattleCity tournament but rather let his goons collect the puzzle cards for him, gave away one God card to Yugi because why the fuck not and when he was duelling, he pulled bullshit out of his molested ass everytime

>>156203264
>I don't understand how can they be the same person.
Are they?

I was under the impression they weren't

>>156202789
Why do you like bad things?

>>156203249
Either way it'd be headcannon there though, since it hasn't been addressed.

What we know for sure is that Kaioshin's lifes are tied to GoDs, but Zamasu's obviously wasn't, and Black used the ring when he couldn't even use God Ki yet.

What's happening here is that official material is contradicting YOUR headcannon.

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>>156203264
I don't understand how can they be the same person. Why the fuck did Tori made his design so different?
I'm honestly getting tired of DBZ, I don't mind giving the middle finger to Powerlevels but they should keep their character designs consistent, at least.

>>156203330
Still better than the plain ass zamasu from the manga.

Even Super Boo was better, and that say a lot.

>>156203291
Launch it with more strength, with his telekinetic powers. you don't think Shin would be able to stop Blue's attacks like that, right?

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>this entire thread

>>156203291
See >>156203275

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>Kattin the hardest material in the Universe
Bullshit!! God tiers shouldn't be hurt by that shit!!

>Black getting knocked on his ass by a bullet
>Black and Zamasu getting thwarted by tear gas and flash bombs
Shut up!!! That's ok.

>>156203358
Black's soul was still the same, he said it himself, DIVINE SOUL, nice try.

So you can't prove that the old kai is tied to beerus?

I accept your loss.

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>>156203397
>Z is better than Super

huh

>>156203409

>>156203439
>Lul I have no argument so I bring the anime's inconsistency to save my ass.

Doesn't work.

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>>156203517
>no argument

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So, how the fuck they will defeat Zamasu now ?

>>156203458
>Black's soul was still the same, he said it himself, DIVINE SOUL, nice try.
So, what? He didn't even have God Ki. I don't see why you're bringing that up.

>So you can't prove that the old kai is tied to beerus?
And you can't prove that he isn't. So it's pointless to bring that up. What has been stated is that Kaioshin's lifes are tied to the God of Destruction. They haven't addressed the old Kaioshin specifically either way, so I don't see why you think it's somehow a point in your favor.

Heck, thinking about it, this discussion is pointless. We're arguing about whether Zamasu was really a Kaioshin, when there's now official material saying that he wasn't. So, that ends any discussion.

>>156203573
Trunks's asspull without any build up.

Or nothing, zeno button.

Yeaaaaaahhhhh.

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>>156203573

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>>156200235
Do you miss him?

>>156203394
This is entirely different, though. She isn't just wearing different clothes, their designs contrast so much they might actually be different persons if we weren't told otherwise. For starters, their hairstyles are clearly different even if you put a ponytail on the other one too. They also don't even look the same height.

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>>156203573
>So, how the fuck they will defeat Zamasu now ?

>>156203573
Honestly SSRage Genkidama Trunks doesn't sound too bad right now

>>156203517
What makes you think anyone is trying to argue here?

This isnt fucking debate club

>>156203567
My point is that i didn't bring the anime here but you did because you have no argument to defend this shit.

Vegeto not going SSG.

Trunks who can't protect himself.

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>>156202539
it's like if Freeza and Cell were in Deep Dark Fantasy gay flick

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>>156203602
>MUH GOD KI

You didn't read the manga it seems.

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>>156203629
No.

>>156200613
>Goku trains with Kami for 3 years
>Power level increases by about 100
>Goku's friends train with Kami for 1 year
>Power levels increase 5x each
Power progression is based purely on plot

>>156203649
Nah that always sounds bad.

>>156203649
>It's ok when Toyotaro does it.
We will see this for sure.

They defend even this shit which is Vegeto not going SSG.

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>>156203720
Your lips say no but your heart says yes.

>>156203439
> bullet
Black fell cause the chair he was sitting on isn't immune to rifles idiot

> tear gas
And Solar Flare worked. So? He can't get caught off guard? Retard.

Seriously, what's the point in Super when Mai is gone?

>>156203677
JABRONIE
A
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>>156203668
Vegetto was trying to end it quickly, thats why he went blue right away. He wasnt trying to fight, he wanted to kill him.

Noone could have predicted that blue would drain the timer as fast as it did.

This isnt hard to figure out, stop a think for a second before going REEEEEEEEEEEEE on the internet.

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>>156203629
I miss anime-him

Manga Black is just Turles

>>156203861
If he was trying to kill him why not immediately do final kamehameha?

>>156203264
It's a different saiyan girl you idiot

>>156203715
I mean that he didn't have God Ki when he first used the time ring to jump timelines. He only got God Ki with SSJ Rose.

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>>156203872

>>156203861
See >>156203906

And you seems to forget that VEGETO HURT MERGED ZAMASU IN BASE FORM.

If he wasn't retarded, SSG was more than enough.

>>156203762
Why does it need to be defended?

Its logical, makes sense, and is in character. This isnt the anime.

>>156203629
>>156203720
>>156203768
>>156203872
>>156203918
Why does Toyotaro hate Smugblack so much?

>>156203762
Nah lets be honest Trunks is going to be given energy from the kais, Goku, and Vegeta and stall Merged Zamasu out then kill Black and seal away Zamasu.

The shitposting will be eternal.

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>>156201140
>>156201260


Frieza had 4 Transformations, their strength was multiplicative of his base form, he was stated to be the best of his race and a prodigy (hence his father not being as strong but still way stronger than say dadoria), and he had the highest technology and near limitless resources
from multiple races and planets to train and have trainers.

17 just fucked around in the woods by himself and only had his cells enhanced so much.

While yeah the 10 years is more accommodating than the 4 month bullshit, its impossible to ignore than his sister didn't power creep like that despite training a little with an actual martial artist (krillin in preparation for the tourney during buu saga), that he had no resources or individuals to help him train to such a level (literally by himself just in the woods with no mystics or nothing) and that he did this all keeping pace with Goku who has had a fuckton of training from individuals, 2 years in the time chamber on top of that, zenkai boosts, and actual transformations to back up that power jumping

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>Anime Black is better XD
>No, Manga Black xD!!

Anons, I have bad news

>>156203918
Now your webm reminded me of "Leave Black to me" posting

>>156203915
Why bringing the god ki?

I proved to you that time ring can also be used by those with "divine soul" as kaioshin.

Which destroy your argument.

Because maybe black was able to use it thanks to his divine soul.

Super saiyan rose and shit prove that his divine soul affected goku's body.

So your argument doesn't convince me.

>>156204035
At least West Black is better than what the fuck Toyo did with him.

>>156203906
Cuz he would have dodged it?

Are retarded? When has using your biggest, baddest move right at the start ever worked ever in anything that has ever existed ever?

>No SoL episode where Trunks and Mai go on a double date with Videl and Nerdhan
Truly the darkest timeline

>>156204090
Are you saying he couldn't dodge the one blasted at him in the skies? Nothing was restraining him and he regenerated immediately from the ki sword.

>>156203965
>Its logical, makes sense, and is in character. This isnt the anime.
>Going SSB directly make sense even though he hurt merged zamasu at base form
>Even though a 1/10 SSB goku was able to hurt merged zamasu

Wow.

>>156204108
>Videl and Nerdhan
Nah.

>>156204010
>Muh transformation meme.

>>156204150
They could be Saiyaman 3 and 4

>>156204035
Based

>>156203949
And?

You say that like it has any relevance at all

>>156203968
Because Toyotaro can't into giving his characters personalities.

>>156204090
The blast worked though.

By using his base form.

You're retarded god dammit.

>>156204108
>Super is kinda shit
>"We brought Mai back"
>YES!YES!YES!
>"She leaves after the arc anyways lol"

This isn't just dark, this is darkest with a little bits of light to remind us of the dark

>>156204035
>>156204089
that's actually said when an anon can come up with a headcanon better than what Toyotaro can dish out

>>156204205
>i have no argument

I accept your defeat.

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DBS fights > DBZ fights

>>156204090
That's why it's going to work.

>>156204142
Able to hurt =/= able to kill

You dont seem to be able to grasp the subtlties of what a fighting consists of.

Its not a math problem, having the bigger number, in this case power level, doesnt automatically mean you win.

Wow, this thread is ruined by two toyocucks.

Yesterday, almost no one defended the bullshit of vegeto not going SSG, a lot just said that "toriyama's outline is retarded".

But now, there is two toyocucks from reddit who came here to defend this shit.

>>156204335
>Evil Vegeta clone
>"oh my god this is shit, end this arc already"
>Evil Goku clone
>"Epic XD"

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>>156204335
well, i disagre-

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Is he the most powerful human in the history of fiction?

>>156204364
>Able to hurt
>Not able to kill
>Blowed half of zamasu's body
>Not able to kill

Also

>Power level doesn't mean shit
So you like the anime then?

>>156204290
This new arc not having F Trunks and Mai is actually one of the reasons why I lost interest in Super.

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>>156203177
Admit it, you prefer this design.

>>156204420
That's DB Kai. Not Z.

>>156204423
That's not Satan

>>156200613
You still don't understand. Toriyama is senile. ALL he's doing a this point is bumming off YuYu Hakusho because he finally swallowed his pride and finished it and is now a massive Togashi fanboy. Super is one big YYH rip. Even more than Bleach is. 17's role in Super is to replicate that fight between Hiei and Yusuke in Chapter Black, because they have the same voice actor in English. Also, swords are back in because he's been playing Ocarina of Time in anticipation of Breath of the Wild and 17's voice actor is also Link. He's just an old man catching up to media he's ignored for decades in his naivety.

Which I can't blame him. I've only now coming out of my own xenophobia towards my native country and watching Twin Peaks.

>>156204299
I have no arguement because you presented nothing to argue against.

Youre a retard.

You think those things you posted mean something they do not, so theres nothing to argue, youre just plain wrong.

>>156204461
Is that a Sonic the Hedgehog fan character?

>>156204482
i'm pretty sure that was from the original Z and still left in Kai

>>156203177
Maybe that's her saiyan leisure while the red suit is her battle attire.

>>156204482
Anon, that's even worse, that means they had the chance to fix it and they didn't

>>156204335
ROMAN O TSUKAMITORE TENKAICHI

>>156204522
>Lul I can't argue
Don't need to insult yourself.

>>156203949
He released a ki blast afterwards even in Blue that didn't kill Zamasu though. He clearly was waiting for him to sit still too before going for the finisher.

The energy drain of staying in blue wouldn't have been an issue due to their difference in power and he didn't know about the shortened time limit.

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>>156204415

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What's up with this shitty writing?
Let's do some fact check:

U7 has beaten U6! and that's a fact.
Beerus is stronger than Champa, and that's a fact
Zeno observed the whole Tournament between U6 and U7 and he saw how it ended, and that's a fact.

Now how is U6 is ranked higher than U7?
>Toei shills are gonna defends this

>>156204447
I didnt say they dont mean shit, i saud theres more to it than that.

Learn to understand the meaning behind what youre reading or watching.

Daily reminder that Buu Saga isnt canon because i don't like it and it hurt my feelings :(

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>>156204455
I feel you

>>156204065
>So your argument doesn't convince me.
I mean, this is an online discussion, I have no hope of convincing you.

My point is just that the chapter fits in with a reading of what we've been shown. Obviously you don't see it that way. It's not your reading, it's just a possible one, which seems to have been the one taken by Toyotaro.

>>156204602
HOLY SHIT
I never realized Krillin was such a lucky mofo

>>156204602
Mortal level isn't power level. It's how potentially complaint the Universe is to Grand Priest's rule.

>>156204577
Cant argue against stupid.

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>>156204578
He wasn't trying to destroy earth you damn mongoloid.

But why he didn't do it when zamasu wasn't on the ground?

WHY NO SSG?

Goddammit, now another month of waiting. For fuck sake make this shit weekly already.

>>156204651
That's how the franchise works for the fanbase, anon

>>156202789
Fusion Zamasu's insanity was really entertaining to watch

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>>156204035

>>156204142
>Even though a 1/10 SSB goku was able to hurt merged zamasu
With a surprise Kamehameha. You make it sound like it was due to Goku's power.

>>156204568
So what? Who cares?

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>>156204124

>>156204691
>Lul you're stupid, that's why I can't argue
You're aware that you appear as the retarded one here right?

>>156204674
>I never realized Krillin got best girl

How?

>>156204696
The fuck he was doing here?

Why punching zamasu to the ground?

Why?

Is this what he call "not letting him regenerate"?

>>156204696
>But why he didn't do it when zamasu wasn't on the ground?

He followed hit with an explosive ki blast. I don't see why you think that was a particularly bad strategy. When went for the Final Kamehameha was when Zamasu was flying and also sitting still by preparing an attack of his own.

>WHY NO SSG?
Because he didn't know about how the time limit would be shortened by staying in Blue? There would have been no problem at all with going with Blue here hadn't it been for a time limit he didn't know about.

>>156204755
Her huge 6head distracts in the anime

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Is this the reason Goku is always ahead of Vegeta?

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Holy shit, who's this artist?

Can we replace Yamamuro with him, please?

>>156204719
>MUH SURPRISE EFFECT
>powerlevels

Choose one.

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>>156204812
Vegeta's entire existence is to be the biggest loser in Dragon Ball.

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here is smugpup's DBS discord if anyone wants to join
https://discord.gg/v8CSu

>>156204755
because that title belongs to tarble

>>156204752
Says the meme spouting retard.

Did you get lost?

>>>/b/ is that way

>>156204858
Why would anyone want to join a furfag's discord?

>>156204808
What about saving his stamina with SSG?
What about him being powerful enough to hurt zamasu when he was able to hurt him at base form.

>>156204858
No.

>>156204854
wtf is with that stance vegeta has there
He also had it against black

>>156204854
>Talk Shit
>Get Hit

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>>156204755
Forgot to mention "best girl in Z".
Best girl in Dragon Ball overall is obvious

>>156204809
???

>>156204899
Say the retarded neet.

>>>/pol/ /b/2.0 is that way.

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>>156204946
>>156204854

>>156204602
>Fake tits
why do people ruin perfection with this

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>>156204835

>>156204666
T-Thank you Satan.
Hopefully they will show up in an episode one day to visit Bulma and Vegeta or something like that.

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>>156204932
Whis said he needs to loosen up. I think it's supposed to be something like this to show that he's loose and limber

>>156204932
His subconsciousness/body has accepted his jobber-fate

>>156204423
That's be Kenshin with mastery of the Kuzo-Ryu-Sen and Amakakeru Ryu-no-Hirameki, and wielding the Reverse Blade Sword Principle Forge, a sword so sharp it can perform Modoshi Giri, while using the Batojutsu in conjunction with his own take on the Shukuchi, creating the Shuntensatsu, with his swordsman spirit at zenith, and sword hilt flipped on the edge side. Keep in mind that even if Kenshin were to miss because his opponent telegraphs his left foot's set-up step, he still creates a vaccum of air that temporarily paralyzes his adversary as he performs the follow-up of the Ryu-no-Hirameki.

>>156204394
They're bored.

Now that the chapter is out, they will come here everyday to say how great Vegeto vs Super boo 1.5 is.

>>156205068
>Amakakeru Ryu-no-Hirameki
Take a drink every time a character say this in that arc

>>156204858
Fuck off.

>>156205116
Those who blindly suck Toyotaro's cock are the one who discovered DB recently.

Those who didn't grown with DB.

>>156204721
i do, and that shit makes DB Absalon look like actual platinum in comparison