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>Gentremen. I rove war.
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Oh, my fucking god, this chapter.
Prepare, dear friends.
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Now, what exactly could Utsumi be saying that would surprise even Tokugawa...?
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Say, that insignia looks awfully familiar.
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why is the release of translated baki chapters so weird
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>>156057221
Because SOMEONE is being slow with their redraws. I don't know why, so I can't be particularly upset.
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I shouldn't have to bump this. Not this time.
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>>156057312
Wait, Hanayama time? FUCKING YES but what's the plan? Keep Musashi still with his vice grip while they gun him down?
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>>156056883
if itakagi fucks up hana, he will get fucked by the yakuza fans irl :^)
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>>156059602
He can have Tenshin Nasukawa protect him.
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Fuck you, bump.
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give me a quick rundown on tokugawa
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Come on, Hanayama is going to spank Musashi and no one gives a shit? I know a lot of people (including me) wanted to see him do stuff again.
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>>156061883
The most dynamic character in the series, for some odd reason. His development as a character seems the most natural out of the entire cast, even though he does basically nothing and the basis of his character is one of the crazier ones in the manga.

>starts off as a psychopath who just likes watching people fight
>his favourite fighter of all time briefly dies; he starts to realize the value of life, and that any one of the fighters he likes can die or be crippled at any time; knows that he directly causes this
>begins to care about the fighters on an individual basis; almost crying at Jack vs Baki
>starts to see the tragedy of Baki's life in a different light; takes it more seriously, starts trying to help Baki get truly strong
>takes a step backward after a year or so, acquires a caveman warrior essentially just because he wants to see him fight
>the fighters that he loves all start getting crippled or seriously injured by the caveman, returns to the misery of knowing that he caused irreversible injury to the ones whom he cares about the most
>gets deathly ill, but knows that he has to see Baki's fight with Yuujiro through to the end - both for the sake of caring about Baki and because he loves fighting; uses every single monetary and political tool at his disposal to ensure that the fight happens
>creates Musashi because the *fighters* are unhappy, not because he is, Retsu requests a weapons-free fight with Musashi; he's uncomfortable with it, but lets it happen
>Retsu dies, Tokugawa realizes that he got caught up in his love of fighting once again, cries his eyes out over Retsu while demanding that the other fighters insult him and blame him for Retsu's death so that he can feel like he's paid some sort of penance
>eagerly accepts Motobe proposal that he'll protect the other fighters, in response to his development from Retsu's death, so that he won't be responsible for any more deaths

Tokugawa really is the most human of the cast.
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>>156062276
No he's gonna die, no one short of yujiro is beating musashi now that he's serious.
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>>156063026
Have you forgotten that Hanayama is, presently, the tankiest character in the franchise? Fucker took a rifle round to the skull from ~100 meters (at most) without falling down or receiving 'stopping' injuries. What put him down was the barrage of sniper fire through his stomach and the subsequent bleeding out. If Musashi drives his sword into Hanayama's skull, Hanayama will keep moving, wrap his hand(s) around Musashi's neck and explode it. He's got a lot more of a chance than you'd think.
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>>156063242
Hanayama's grip isn't the strongest, yujiro already overpowered him and so will musashi.
He may or may not die but he isn't inflicting any serious injury.
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>>156057190
>>156057213
>Best Boy is back from his Sidequest
>He's probably going to die
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What the fuck, Musashi beheaded that poor guy for making him pee his pants.
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>>156063242
So does he wear dentures or have dental implants. He lost a fair amount of teeth to Speck.
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>>156057312

Welp. Hanayama's fucked. He's been a B list fighter ever since he got fucked by Baki. He's not even Katsumi level and sure as hell isn't Retsu tier.

He's literally a weak Pickle at this point.

Did we ever get the finale between Hanayama and the gay egg man? I've seen nothing after Hanayama staggers out of the hospital
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Hanayama is gonna get fucked hard.

Musashi when serious is in the same tier as Yujiro.

Have we even seen full power Musashi yet?
I don't think so.
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>>156066429
IIRC the Solomon Grundy guy Hanayama helps out in the first chapter of the spinoff fights him instead. It was pretty cool though.

Otherwise, I don't know if Baki will go on from this particular run. Feels like endgame, unless it gets stretched out even further.
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>>156066387
Virtually every character has fake teeth. They've more-or-less all lost them and regained them at least once in the series.

>>156067058
He doesn't 'help' Hanayama; it's not Hanayama's fight to pick. And, given that Hanayama is stronger than Solomon Grundy, it stands to reason that he's stronger than Midget.
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>>156066429
Hanayama's death would spark Baki to do something. Maybe.
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>>156057213
NO DONT DIE
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>>156066849
>>156066429
Translations will clear this up but I think it's pretty much guaranteed they didn't call Hanayama to make him go kill himself against Memesashi, there has to be some kind of plot going on. Like Hanayama holding Musashi still for a few seconds with his grip or something.
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>>156067926
You know, given that the idea came from Utsumi, I don't think that's so far-fetched. He's probably the only critical-thinking cop in this, after all. And he studied under Shibukawa; that's gotta count for something.
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He's gonna get MUSASH'D, and just to inflate further meme samurai power trip.
Awful.
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>>156068123
Oooor this could be Itagaki's way of reintroducing the rarer fighters. What if we get Hanayama, Jyaku, and Sikorsky beating up Musashi? Think positive.
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>>156068088
Exactly, he knows firsthand what Musashi and Hanayama are capable of and that the latter is weaker. I'm hoping Hanayama will humiliate Musashi in a indirect way, capitalizing on modern battle vs old battle as opposed to Motobe beating him at his own game.
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>>156056944

The woman in the third panel looks like Baki in drag
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>>156071015
Damn you blew up is cover.
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>>156065177

You need to make everyone hate Musashi/want to see him lose. Because otherwise how can you have him lose/die again

A hugely important cultural icon in Itagaki's home country and known worldwide as an ascended warrior, said to be a sword saint and a master of the way of strategy. If you're gonna have some fictional character kill him, he needs to put a dent on the roster first. Retsu Kaioh is already kill
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>>156071207
>Because otherwise how can you have him lose/die again

It baffles me that nobody is seeing where this is going. Even the translators seem so far oblivious. Having Musashi come back and die is like reviving the Duke of Wellington and have him lose a rematch in total warfare to Napoleon

Despite all his duels and involvement in skirmishes and war, Musashi died undefeated. This is his defining characteristic. In the book of five rings he has claimed to have mastered the way of strategy, which is the art of victory itself. I very much doubt Musashi will be made to die or overtly lose (maybe weird "losses" like him testing Baki's jab, getting KO'd and going "yep, you would have killed me if this was a real fight"). His fight with Yujiro was already hurried to a draw, and now Itagaki is fucking around with Musashi killing cops. I have no idea how this situation could be handled respectfully and in a non-retarded manner, but I'd wager it's probably not Itagaki's idea to keep Musashi alive in current times like Pickle (a fictional caveman) is
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>>156071545
I wanted so much that Pickle won goddamn.
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>>156071826

For having been S-tier just an arc ago, Pickle got fucking destroyed. He was Jack Hanma levels of jobber against Musashi
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>>156071874
Everyone got fucking destroyed, that's the root of the problem with Musashi. I could have accepted him winning if it wasn't on these levels of "kill entire fully armed strike teams cutting through kevlar and firearms without a scratch" capital bullshit. There is no fucking tension or struggle, he just blows away everything
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>>156071545
>It baffles me that nobody is seeing where this is going. Even the translators seem so far oblivious.
The biggest problem with seeing where the manga is going with Musashi is the fact that Itagaki strongly based major elements of the first half of the Musashi arc on an obscure Sino-Japanese short story, then changed his mind. That change came right around when Musashi decided that he wanted to fight with his real swords again - when he first started fucking around with Pickle, essentially. That's also where the plot starts to lose track of itself. For all we know, Itagaki is winging it right now until he can find a perfect solution.
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>hehe you fools thought Hanayma was useless b rate fighter?
>he was merely pretending to be bad like Memetobe
>check out this new Hanayma armed with yakudza dildos and tricks
bravo
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>>156072368
>Sino-Japanese short story
More info?
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Haven't read this since Musashi is born and meets Baki

Give me a quick rundown
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>>156072368
>For all we know, Itagaki is winging it right now until he can find a perfect solution.

This is obvious when you look all the filler chapters. Baki's plot has always moved fast, now it's moving slowly for the first time
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>>156072379
>he was merely pretending to be bad like Memetobe

Except Motobe couldn't do shit against Musashi in the end. What use is scarring his face if you can't win anyways

The real asspull was Gaia being Motobe's student all along
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What can you even do with Musashi? Him having been heavily struck during his fights is probably too much already. Itagaki bit off more than he can chew

He's japanese sword jesus. It'd be like having Sun Tzu losing at strategy

Maybe the idea is that everyone will lose to him, but Musashi will be so wounded in the end, it's like they collectively defeated him, I don't know
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>>156072562
I managed to track down the legend that Itagaki referenced in that 25th anniversary interview. It's Chinese in origin, but its most popular form seems to be a Japanese retelling written by a Chinese historian author from Japan. I managed to find an English translation of it (there are only two that exist), so here that is; the story of Kisho - known in China as Jìchāng:
https://mega.nz/#!LoJTDaDR!XmYHbp1j39GlOaFiDZfof6O2kiadgRJeC_2COnQO5xc

The elements won't necessarily stick out to you at first, but you'll understand completely what I'm talking about once you get to the end.
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>>156072893

Musashi's wounds have been gruesome so far. Not necessarily different from what has happened in the series previously, but shown in painful detail. Kicked in the balls by Yujiro. Motobe's chain going right in the gaping vagina on his face, debris and glass on his face and eyes, etc.

Almost like Itagaki is making him suffer a bit in advance to make up for most of the cast being killed by him
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>>156072711
>Except Motobe couldn't do shit against Musashi in the end. What use is scarring his face if you can't win anyways
Motobe could have killed him. He chose not to. That was the entire point of the speech.

Threat, here, is used in the sense of literal "fear", not "possibility".
>It was [a match] which threatened victory.
>But...
>It was [a match] without threat against life.
>Do you want to give that a try?
>Against the one before you?
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>>156073012
I think the one that creeped me out/gave me shivers the most was Musashi sticking his finger in the mouth-hole and going "huh, my molars are loose now."
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>>156072893
>https://mega.nz/#!LoJTDaDR!XmYHbp1j39GlOaFiDZfof6O2kiadgRJeC_2COnQO5xc
I see, really interesting. I agree with you, after reading that story it looks like Itakagi went back on his steps when Musashi picked up the swords again.
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>>156072893

You must mean the fact that Musashi dropped his real swords against Yujiro, having at last realized the memetic sword technique of Ni Ten Ichi Ryu style - But now is back to using them on every fight

I'm fairly sure Itagaki's just saving it for a big fight, possibily against Baki or Yujiro again. "Visualization" is actually old hat in the series, to the point of Baki taking real wounds from fighting his visualized praying mantis. And when Baki fought Yujiro, there many "image based" techniques being shown. Much like every character has a specialization Musashi's spiritual sword seems to be a perfect form of image-based techniques

Either way, it's in paper now, he can't just pretend Musashi wasn't gonna instantly kill Yujiro with an unheard-of technique. But at the same time you can't have him use that on every fight, because if it's that powerful, it's a one stroke battle against everyone else (which are all, sans possibly Baki, far from Yujiro's powerlevel)
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>>156073831
>it looks like Itakagi went back on his steps when Musashi picked up the swords again
That wasn't my 'view' or something; he literally said that in part of the 25th anniversary interview. This is a Wild Fang translation, but it's right for the most part. The only made-up parts are just added words, for some reason. Remove the phrases "to high level characters", and "for the real wars", and the translation is essentially correct.
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>>156068929
He already got humiliated when he got tased.
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I'm a bit surprised that Musashi is being characterized as basically another Yujiro type (i.e. very superior strength easily exceeding Baki's, superior speed and reflexes, etc.). You'd think someone that realized the way of strategy would be more like Shibukawa or Kaku Kaioh i.e. "only need a little strength", but otherwise win without brute force
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>>156074202
So are we supposed to just forget the imaginary sword stuff? Or maybe pretend Musashi is limiting himself by using real swords basically because it's cooler to look at.
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When has Hanayama ever shown the strength to oppose Musashi for even a second?
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>>156074474
If we go by Yujiro's words tecniques are something only the weak need. The Ogre himself mastered like every martial art but doesn't use them simply because at his level of strenght it doesn't matter.
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>>156074577
Managed to stop Pickle's charge. Does some ridiculous stuff in scarface.
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>>156074483

Musashi is just fooling around with strong fighters. Probably doesn't feel like ending every fight instantly

If he's not fooling around, why not simply seek Yujiro again and kill him? Tokugawa could make it happen, and Yujiro is certainly dying to fight him again without Motobe cockblocking him. Wasn't Musashi's goal to become known as the world's strongest, "the brightest star the world has ever seen"?
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>>156074625
Nothing in Scarface begins to compare to taking on Musashi.
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Why is everyone cross-eyed?
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>>156074590

You can't take everything that is said in the manga literally. Yujiro uses a fighting style, even it it's idiosyncratic and self-taught. Ideas of "not being bound by style" are old in martial arts, among people far weaker than Yujiro too

Example of things you can't take seriously: Someone saying he has in good authority Yujiro can punch with the force of an atomic bomb. Yujiro weighs ~120kg. If he really can do this, Baki is FUCKED, he's not even 0.0000000000001% of the way to that kind of strength, and Yujiro could have ended every fight in the series in an instant. Why would someone with nuke punched be afraid of Musashi's shit?
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>>156073866
>You must mean the fact that Musashi dropped his real swords against Yujiro ...
Much more than that.

>... even if sudden sparks were to fly in his eyes or whirling ash to blow over him, he never flinched.
Retsu vs Musashi, the sand-throwing trick.

>Even a thief swore that just as he had made to slip into Kisho's house, about to climb the wall, he was hit in the forehead with a sharp, formless arrow shot from the building, and had fallen back the moment he had felt it.
The imaginary deaths.

>His former unyielding and fearless mien had vanished and his face seemed as blank and empty as a figure carved from wood...
Musashi always wears the same face, unless there's exceptional circumstances.

>Kanyoh looked up, contemplating it. Then he fitted an invisible arrow to his formless bow, fixed it to the span of a full moon and shot.
Kisho could *see* this imaginary bow.

>They were proud of their bowmaster who needed no bow. The glory of his invincibility covered all, however long he did not touch a bow ... it was unthinkable that he might ever again have put a hand to bow or arrow.
Remember the flashback chapters to Musashi's old age, where his disciples claim that he hasn't touched his swords in years?

>Nine years long Kisho remained at the side of this aged Master, though none could say what training he underwent.
Kisho's story explicitly does not have an explanation for how he came to cease using the bow, so Itagaki wrote the extended calligraphy metaphor in the flashback chapter to tie the method to Musashi's life.

So on, and so forth.
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Been awhile since I read but since when was Motobe anything but a jobber
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One anon here raised an interesting point : Musashi is too much of an icon to actually lose ; it'd feels cheap.

So, how could it end ? Probably like it did in the books, Musashi ceases the mindless killings.
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>>156074768
Since he literally trolled Yujiro and got a meme boost.
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>>156074816

You can't just leave Musashi wandering around in current times and have him become a member of the cast like Pickle. He could be knocked out in a fight or something, and Tokugawa's asspull medium sister could send him back to the afterlife

I'm fairly sure nothing bombastic will happen. At MOST Musashi losing but not dying, and even then you have to live the weight of being a pretentious author who made his OC donut steel beat Miyamoto Musashi in a 1v1 fight
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DOPPO BEST BAKI
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>>156075001
>pretentious
Yeah, nah.
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>>156057104
Predicting another Musashi clone.
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>>156075001
I don't imagine anyone criticizing Itagaki for having the titular character defeating Musashi. Especially given his current strength. Baki's supposed to be the strongest human on Earth.
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>>156074816
I wager Musashi will realize the meaning of Motobe's words and decide not to kill the next relevant character he destroys.
>>156075001
True, on the other hand if Musashi just fucks off to afterlife for whatever reason it would have been a real nice shitshow where Musashi just dropped by in the Baki-verse just to shit on people here and there.
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>>156057190
Pls no-
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>>156062637
OurGuy.

Even if i get the impression that he may die in this series due to all the focus he is getting.
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>>156074816
He'll lose in a 'fight' or maybe spiritually outskilled against baki, musashi is unbeatable in life and death scenarios but that won't happen.
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>>156075142
Remember that Baki has proclaimed that this era is when the strongest being in history is to be determined. They can't get rid of Musashi without killing him, really. Their options are to fight him to the death or to concede to him.
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>>156057190
Wats the deal with the hands of the men in baki ?
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>>156075316
you know what they say about big hands
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>>156075044

The author seems to love him. He's had far and away the most hype moments of any character in the series, and was the first character strong enough to make Yujiro go all out (during the Maximum Tournament)

>That curbstomp battle against Dorian Kaioh
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I see Baki, I have to post, even if I have to go to sleep.

See you when the jap scans come with translator-fag.
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>>156075443

>Hypnosis doesn't work on Doppo because his knowledge of martial arts is so advanced, he will just imagine you fighting as you normally would
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>Musashi doesn't blink when a piece of tooth pierces his fucking eye
>Retsu hair whip makes him wince
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>in the club with your waifu when this guy slaps her ass
What do
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>>156075831
Chinnese hairclip made with ancestral chinnese secrets
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>>156075944
Is it a 3000 year old technique
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Leave Musashi to me.
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>>156076032
That's my dream fight, but I know it is not to be. ;_;
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>>156076016
>Motobe beat Musashi to the draw with a bottle

>>156076114
Xiao Lee mitigation doesn't even work against Musashi's regular sword moves, imagine what his imaginary meme sword could do
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>>156076114
Same, but there's no way the author would let a chinesse traditionalist take down a japanesse icon.

He'd get executed by the government kek.
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>>156076016
>slam entire container of poisoned cigarettes on Musashi's face
>it doesn't do shit

It's cute that Motobe had a plan
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Damn, they really did Retsu dirty

Can see his intestines spilled out
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>>156076472
It's the smoke that would have come off of the cigarettes that was poison, not the objects themselves. That would be idiotic. How would he pick out the one that he could smoke as a bait without touching the others?
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What's the meaning of the ancient egyptian tablet with a Hanma father and son fighting?

The potential for taking the plot in retarded directions is off the charts with this series. If you think Musashi coming back to life is as corny as it's gonna get, just wait till they revisit that - Superhuman Hanmas influencing story at all their pivotal points, WE WUZ SUPERHUMANZ
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>>156077460

It's lame that they're making the demon back (and now brain, with Baki) and actual genetic thing. The Hanmas are literal mutants, not really Homo Sapiens

In Grappler Baki, Lt. Strydum would go about on how Yujiro's muscles looked like that because he developed them through actual fighting in many theatres of war instead of through other fighters' bullshit ideas of "training". Then in New Grappler Baki it became 100% a bloodline thing, Baki "awakened" his Hanma blood and the back popped out

It gets even lamer when you realize their mutations may not even be that big of an advantage - Many other characters have attained bullshit powerlevels without it, and Musashi, as far as we know, is on par with Yujiro and stronger than Baki - Without Hanma blood
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>>156077635
Musashi has a special spine, he's a mutant as much as Yujiro and Baki.
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>>156076594
No, that's not how fugu poison works. It's already poisonous without being smoked, but it can't be absorbed through the skin, so touching it does nothing, but inhaling it does. Had Motobe shoved those cigarettes down Musashi's throat instead of bouncing them off his mug, he would have died (barring asspulls).
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>>156077766

Even is Musashi is also a living meme, you have Doppo, Kaku Kaioh, Gaia - people who are also superhuman despite mutations (as far as we know)
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>>156066429
hanayama is the only person we know that could get lethally cut by musashi and pretend he didnt notice
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>>156077860

>what is Biscuit "Giganigga" Oliva
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>>156077894
a jobber
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>>156077930

He is easily above Hanayama's level if Baki's fight against him in the prison and his performance in the japan-china challenge are any indication
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>>156077997
It's safe to say both of them have been training, so who knows. I'm still convinced Hanayama will play a role in a plot of some sort and not take on Musashi 1vs1, he wouldn't be that stupid.
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Leave Musashi to me.
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>>156077894
good pt
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>>156078318

>Sub-Doppo
>beating Musashi

Musashi beat Doppo in like three pages
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I find it really odd that in the last series at least some people was training doing some crazy shit to get ready, Baki was on the imaginary bunker Doppo's son was trying to archive jet like punches but this time no one seems to be doing anything like this.
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>>156057190
Oh god now it's Hanayama? Just have fucking Baki get a rematch already, how long is this retard Itagaki gonna drag this out? With things like this it wouldn't surprise if they next bring Oliva out nowhere.
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>>156073178
>Motobe could have killed him
How, though? All his limbs were broken.
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>>156075903
>>156076016
Kek
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>>156075291
Then more legends have to be revived and hidden bloodlines rivaling hanma will be introduced.
Maybe that's why the cast is being thinned out, to make room for them.

>>156079520
They got soft after thinking baki is yujiro level cause he won imaginary house playing so they who are near baki are also yujiro level.
Good thing musashi is here to set them straight.
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>>156075141

He has appeared as markedly inferior to Musashi so far. After taking his jab, he won against Baki in seconds. Baki was also very impressed by Musashi wrecking bamboo by just swinging it, which seems to indicate Musashi has strength in excess of a (admittedly young) Hanma
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>>156084267
>which seems to indicate Musashi has strength in excess of a (admittedly young) Hanma

Like that means shit. Jack Hanma is a "Hanma" and he's Z-tier despite being like 8 feet tall and 500lb. Motobe of all people wrecked him
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>>156057190
Why is Hanayama so strong?
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So what's the word on S2?
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>>156057082
>Nuke him from orbit it's the only way to be sure
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>>156071545
But he already lost to Motobe and even acknowledged the fact.
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>>156085046

No, he hasn't.
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>>156085046

Motobe asked if he wanted to go all the way, he didn't imply he could kill him whenever he wanted by >>156073178 this statement

The fight went very bad for Motobe. They memed him a few tiers up the ladder (beating Jack Hanma, revealed to be Gaia's master) just so Itagaki could have a specialist on ancient japanese warfare face Musashi
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>>156085088
Their fight ended with Musashi out cold and Motobe choosing not to kill him.
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>>156085392

Then I guess Yujiro "lost" to a bunch of cucks with tranquilizer guns when they used them to knock him out during the Maximum Tournament

Random asshole with a tranquilizer, truly the world's strongest, the man to surpass the Ogre

Musashi also got KO'd long enough to be killed by Baki's jab before he woke up and beat him, guess we can end the arc now - Musashi's dream of being the world's strongest again is over, dashed before it even started
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>>156077930
>implying
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>>156085482
>Musashi also got KO'd long enough to be killed by Baki's jab before he woke up and beat him

Except that was explicitly in training and Musashi saw the blow coming and took it deliberately.

When Motobe took Musashi out Musashi tried to break free and failed.
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>>156087146
*As to the guys with tranquilizers, they did take out the Ogre, though it wasn't in a fight.
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>>156087146

That doesn't mean you're not the "world's strongest". Tokugawa could have had his men kill Yujiro when they tranqed him during the Maximum Tournament - That wouldn't make him not the world's strongest, and it wouldn't be the fucking guard either, it's be Doppo or the convicts some shit

Strongest and "invincible" are not the same thing. You could drop a purified hydrogen bomb on Yujiro and I'm pretty sure you'd kill him. Strongest man on the world: Trump
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>>156087242
How do any of your examples counter the fact that Motobe beat Musashi on an agreed, upfront fight Musashi was actively trying to win?
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>>156087464

You should have noticed by now that all of Motobe's explosives, weapons and dirty tricks were meant to be the analogue to KOing Yujiro with tranquilizers in my argument

This is like if someone pulled a gun during the Maximum Tournament. Whatever, you "won", but not in a fair fight

Also, even if he KO'd him and didn't go for the kill, all this means is he didn't have what it takes. If he had done so and killed Musashi, that would have been your unambiguous win
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>>156087464

You are very weirdly leaving out the fact that Musashi regained consciousness and rekt Motobe. The argument that "Motobe had a window to kill Musashi and didn't, therefore he won" is nonsensical
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>>156087580
>You should have noticed by now that all of Motobe's explosives, weapons and dirty tricks were meant to be the analogue to KOing Yujiro with tranquilizers in my argument. This is like if someone pulled a gun during the Maximum Tournament.
If you pull out a gun on the tournament, you're breaking the rules. Here the use of weapons was tacitly agreed as Musashi had one too. Never mind that explosives and all, Motobe limited himself to Sengoku era stuff.
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>>156087794

Even if you're willing to stretch it that far, Musashi at most lost a round to him, then won another. Also, as far as we know Yujiro was gonna die if Motobe didn't intervene in his fight with Musashi, but I'm not gonna count that as a loss for Yujiro
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>>156087665
How about Musashi stating "it's your win", is that nonsensical too? Him cutting Motobe after that is not securing a victory he already conceded, just being a sore loser.
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Why do people read this manga? The art is fucking horrible and the artist shows no signs of improving.
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>>156087872

Well, in Kaku Kaioh's conception he also won against Yujiro. If that's what you care about, Musashi has already been beat by Baki, when he tried his jab to see what he's like he clearly didn't expect to be KO'd

That's the kind of "loss" Itagaki is going to give Musashi. People will try to prove points to him as he maims or kill half of the cast until the arc is over

You're not gonna see a definite loss in which his fighting prowess is decidedly proven to be inferior to the winner's, not even from Yujiro. Itagaki wouldn't shit on a historical god of fighting like this. My bet is Baki will beat him through virtue or somesuch shonen tripe
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>>156087913

strong is beautiful
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>>156087872
Memetobe wasn't serious about killing him so musashi didn't go all out either.
Musashi slashed him before but was stopped by his chainmail and at the end he easily cut through it, musashi wasn't serious.
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>>156087665
>Musashi regained consciousness and rekt Motobe
That is not what happens. He literally just pulls his sword out of Motobe's shoulder and leaves. He's not cutting him there, it just looks like it from the physicality in the panel. Motobe gets shock pain because, you know, it kinda hurts to have a sword pulled back through your lung and clavicle.

>>156088050
>in Kaku Kaioh's conception he also won against Yujiro
He never says anything even tantamount to that. He says that you can't lose a fight if you die of unrelated causes before the fight is over. He knew that he couldn't have won in that fight, so he stole Yuujiro's victory. Their fight isn't a draw, either; it's just "unconcluded" - that's why they agree to fight again in 100 years.
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