Why don't they start over with a new protagonist for each

>>156034898
Just read pokemon special then, it's better anyway.

Not wanting to take risks I guess
The series still fairs well in TV ratings. Why jeopardize that? Creative passion? Ha!

>>156035209
Instant label recognition.

Basically seeing Ash and Pikachu links to this franchise.

The company will lose a lot of money by changing the characters.

>>156034898
they're had their chance to do that
it's too late to do that now
they're too far invested into that character to drop him
also don't expect him to win any league ever

>>156034898
>Let's remove a 20 year recognizable mascot that's paired with THE Pokemon mascot so we can start all over again to build a completely new character that people will probably forget all about in a year or two
Great fucking idea, anon. It should be like Yugioh and it's all so awesome and memorable characters that's different from every season.

>>156035490
to be fair
yugioh isn't the same game it was 10 years ago
it suffers from powercreep

>>156035571
Name me the main character for every season, anon.

Are you asking us as if we were supposed to know or something?
Ask the pokemon company

>>156035571
So does Pokemon

>>156035607
Yugi
Jaden
Yusei
Yuma
DUDE EGAO LMAO

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>>156034898
I just want to see Sabrina again.

>>156035607
yugi, yudai, yusei, the shitty one from xyz, yuya

Remember when DB was going to change its MC to Gohan? And then they had to go back to Goku?

Yeah, people associate a character with the entire series so you have to keep using the same one or you lose tons of viewers

>>156035490
>implying the Pokemon anime is memorable outside the first season that literally aired two decades ago
Oh, yeah, and Ash status as eternal 10yo loser and MC in one of the worst anime ever. We would lose so much by getting a new MC.

>changing mc's in the middle of a series
It barely works for yugioh and that's only because each new spinoff feels like a different universe

>>156035628
the changes aren't as radical
gen1mon are still viable unlike ygo

>>156035663
>>156035709
I think both your answers pretty much prove my case here. I mean, for Pokemon, for all 20 years, all you need to remember is Ash/Satoshi. That's it.

>>156035764
>in the middle of a series
The series will last until the Pokemon franchise goes bust, and that won't happen in another 60 years unless there's a civilizational collapse or the Earth cracks open like an egg.

>>156035826
So, your point is that is better to have a single shit protagonist instead of various protagonist of varying quality because it's easier to remember who is who?

Are all the faggots who still watch Pokemon this retarded?

>>156035849
>you will die in pokemon´s lifetime

>>156035931
No, the point is that you both couldn't name all of the different MC for every season while, for good or ill, Ash is Ash. You will remember him, where as most people will probably not care for anyone beyond Yugi for Yugioh. You do not want to squander 20 years of brand recognition for a maybe popular new main character.

>>156035826
do you have problems to remember eathan or brendan?
nobody forgets the main characters from the games

Because Ash is the face of the anime the same way Pikachu is the face of the company

Remember how mad /vp/ was when Ash lost to Allan and didnt get with the girl?
Holy shit it was all worth it for that alone.

>>156034898
The anime producers clearly see Ash and Team Rocket as the face of the anime side of the franchise.

>>156035490
The games already do that though. The anime doesn't do it out of tradition, but there's nothing indicating they really get anything out of it. It's just a stubborn tradition.

>>156035571
Yugioh had power creep even in the manga, before it was an actual card game.

>>156035931
Giving a definite personality to a marketing tool the player is supposed to self insert and explore the world has backfired a lot.

Pokespe dodges the bullet, but a widespread Anime can't afford to shit the upcoming game popularity with a gimmick.

This isn't a TCG, this isn't an story driven JRPG. This is a monster trainer game with you as the player.

Honestly Pokémon nailed this hard without ruining the silent protagonist trope with Ash.

>>156036299
A stubborn tradition that resulted in a 20 year long brand mascot. Your parents probably know who Ash is, you know who Ash is, and probably several years down the line, your wife's son will know who Ash is. Why would they want to remove a multi-generational recognizable character for something that is suppose to be an advertisement to their game?

>>156034898
HERE'S THE SOLUTION:
TIMESKIP
ASH HAS A SON
ALSO CALLED ASH (JR).
BAMN
BOOM
DONE

>>156036725
>implying people buy the games because of the ashnime
Ok, maybe Japanese children do.

>>156035607
yugi and school boy are the only ones i know because i stopped watching after that and the new summonig gimmicks are dumb

>>156036049
That bullshit, many people can name off the names of protagonists of the games so there's no reason why they couldn't remember it for the anime. If you're paranoid that fans can't remember their name then just do what the manga does and use the video game protagonists as the MC, and make them all have a Pikachu or some shit.

The problem with the sticking with the same character is that Ash makes it to the league every region but then have to start all over once he move onto a new region and all that character development and progress goes down the drain. This is why Ash can't grow (both literally and figurative) and that's terrible for some one who suppose to be your Main character.

>>156037678
>t then have to start all over once he move onto a new region and all that character development and progress goes down the drain
That literally happened once and the show pretty much publicly apologized for it and the guy who did it was literally fired

>>156037949
It's happened 3 times now, Best Wishes reset him and it was very unpopular so they reset him again for XY which was better received but for whatever reason they still reset him when Sun and Moon came out

>>156038074
Best wishes main fault was that the japanese audience hated team rocket and the plasma plot was destroyed by fucking real life events.

After that everything went to shit.

Or well it had all time low episodes like Elesa gym, seriously fuck that episode in particular.

>>156037949
For all effects and purposes, he starts all over again once he goes to a new region, leaving his friends and Pokemon; and character development for Ash is non-existent in Pokemon, they just reset his personality and vary his competence according to the setting and the tone they want to give to the new season. Continuity, of course, is non-existent as he's still ten and that, alone, is proof enough to negate it.

>>156035716
I just wish they hadn’t so fucked up Gohan since then.

>>156038202

>Or well it had all time low episodes like Elesa gym, seriously fuck that episode in particular.

So what happened? I stopped after Diamond and Pearl, and wasn't Iris a shit as well?

>>156037678
Ash has had character development? The dude literally reverts back to an idiot at the beginning of every season.

>>156036725
>Why would they want to remove a multi-generational recognizable character for something that is suppose to be an advertisement to their game?
Exactly due to that? It's an advertisement for the games, so it should be promoting the game content, not their dumb original stuff. The anime staff basically seems to get away with just advertising the Pokemon and character designs somehow, which is pretty odd for such a long running game adaptation. Just look at someone like Lilie in the current season, who's completely different from her in-game self, only reusing the design and name.

>>156035490
>start all over again to build a completely new character
>implying they've been building Ash all this time
He's basically the same character from Gen 1. They always reset him with every new season. He never wins leagues, still releases good pokemon and loses fights to trainers that are just starting.

>>156038421
Ashfags literally believe people watch the anime for Ash, that another MC would be unrecognizable and would ruin the series, and that he's the face of the franchise, so for them he's irreplaceable.

>>156038356
Iris started very fresh but ended up becoming a poorsman Misty, and Japanese people hate Misty, her character even failed at her goal of evolving Axew, wich BTW stole several episodes trying to be Piplup when we already had Oshawott.

Picture Piplup comic relief on Ash most used Pokémon, that's fucking Oshawott through the entire unova trip.

The rivals where many, but trip was just pure garbage and many rivalries outside of Stephan were unresolved, seriously Stephan 3v3 battle on the league was sadly the highest point of the Anime and that isn't saying much.

And finnally, Ash gym battles outside of Lenora, Burgh, Brycen and Roxie(YMMV since this showcased how bad Ash team was before the league) sucked or flanderized the gym leaders big time.

Clay got mad because of attract despite being actually good in the climax, Skyla was butchered, elesa got good development but Ash was terrible there.

Seriously Elesa fight was terrible. And don't make me start with Cameron.

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>>156038406
Wait, so you do agree?

>>156038697
It is a confirmed fact that franchises lose money if they change a trademark or mascot.

Instant label recognition is not something a multi partnership comitee would discard when achieved.

As much as it hurts the faggots that want Ash to be canned it is simply not profitable for the company to ditch him.

>>156038670
>releases good pokemon
I don't get this one. When has he ever just said "hmm yeah you're too good for my team im releasung you for this".
He only releases pokemon because it wants to go be with it's family or some shit. Do you think he should go "No you're my slave, you're stuck with me whether you like it or not"?

>>156035394
Market trends suggest that a new protagonist would be more popular than Ash as long as it's a cute girl.

>>156038910
>It is a confirmed fact that franchises lose money if they change a trademark or mascot.
So, the original game developers are incompetent compared to the anime staff? No one is talking about removing Pikachu anyway.

>>156039420
I would watch the pokemon anime if the protag was a girl. Also if her main pokemon was a grass-type.

Where does Serena rank on the list of companions Ash has had?

just read the manga. its miles better anyway

>>156034898

Who should the next protagonist be?

I want M.D Geist up there.

>>156039566
Second to Dawn wich had co-star status instead of just companion.

>>156039432
You just can't replace that character at this point, picture the outrage of replacing Ash VA at this point.

There are several things the antiAsh faggots haven't considered at this stage, if anything the Pokémon comitee is doing the best thing to maximize profits with minimal risks.

>>156039420
They could always try a spin off where it's one of the female protagonists as lead. It's not gonna take away from Ash being the MC of all the major series, but it's a breath of fresh air and it'll let the company know how well received a new main character would be.

>>156040095
>replacing Ash
>outrage
Literally 90% of the fans of the franchise would either agree or simply not care about it.

>>156040165
Westernfag view is the only view that matters.

In Japan VAs on a children franchise are fucking sacred, remember the lupin situation? No company wants that to happen again.

Seriously, think of this with a japanese mentality and you will start to notice how retarded most antiAsh faggots actually sound like.

Replacing Ash is like replacing Goku

>>156040715
at least tori tried to replace him with gohan
but failed since gohan shit

>>156040784
Anyone would have been shit compared to Goku

>>156034898
Literally just read pokespec, it alrwady does that.

>>156035481
Wasn't there an interview where they said that the day Ash wins a league is the day the series ends?

>>156041152
because there's nothing after it

>>156040095
>picture the outrage of replacing Ash VA at this point.
What? No one is talking about keeping Ash and replacing the VA. That would be utterly pointless.

>>156034898
Because brand recognition motherfucker, do you speak it?

>>156034898
Brand recognition. It has to be done even if that means Ash will keep on losing leagues in a never-ending cycle.

>>156034898
Because Japan loves Satoshi and Pikachu. The whole "Ash is shit why don't they get rid of him" thing is unique to the west.

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>>156041191
Why can't they just go the Aikatsu route where Ash is still in the show but the focus shifts to a new main character who wants to be better than Ash?

>>156044365
same reason why team rocket still exist
don't fix what's not broken

>>156044487
But it's broken.

>>156044549
it's still making them money apparently
so it isn't broken

>>156044598
What's making them money is the vidya.

>>156035490
There's nothing memorable about Pikachu and Ash. The both of them ironically peaked at the end of the Kanto arc, which ended ages ago.

>>156044691
Just because the anime isn't making as much money as the games doesn't mean the anime isn't making money. Ratings are still strong after 20 years despite memes claiming the opposite, and the Japanese target audience is more than satisfied with the current arrangement. So no, it's really not broken.

>>156045201
Of course they are. Ash is living the dream of traveling to exciting places and meeting new people, plus hooking up with girls. Too bad nips are too retarded to understand love.

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>>156036219
For once, it was a great time to be alive.

It's just a vietnamese cartoon for children. Watching this for character development of all reasons is pretty autistic. Move on to better shows because the target audience is king. You're a minority with continuing to follow the series. Aside from marketing, the series resets are for new kids while the older ones will get their wallets emptied via nostalgia.

So basically, the only thing that prevents the existence of a decent Pokemon anime with a good MC is the Japanese children's shit taste and the executives being too stuck in their confort zone with their shitty animated commercial ad?

>>156036219
Can anyone explain what the fuck happened in Ash vs Alan to me? Greninja and Charizard had barely scratched each other and neither of them showed any signs of damage or fatigue by the time the fight ended, even after blasting each other with finisher-tier moves. It didn't feel like a final battle at all, it was literally nothing, like they had to cut the fight short at the last minute. I'm still baffled 8 months later.

>>156045722
No, the only thing saving us from a crappy edgefest garbage waste of 22 minutes a week with some fagot MC that won't come close to 20 years of character recognition and tradition is the fact that the pokemon anime doesn't care about westerners at all. Thankfully.

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I wholeheartedly love Satoshi and I would not trade him for any other protagonist in the world.

>>156034898
They should take the JoJo route and have each anime a new generation.

>>156040354
Why are you singling out japan for this? The US does the same shit. Oldfags remember the whole Dallas fiasco when a beloved character died and they suddenly backpedaled the fuck out of that by making that episode all just a dream. Or better yet, remember Optimus's death in the Transformer movie and how fan outrage had made them backpedal on Duke's death in the upcoming GI Joe movie as well?

>>156045445
I can smell the butthurt from you XY-fags already.

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>>156046941
he's nice

>>156047611
>some 3dpd image shit
I rest my case. Pokemon is an anime you should fuck off back to /tv/.

>>156034898
Dubs have different voices for different ashes actually.

Not sure about Jap VAs though

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>>156047642
>Pokemon is an anime

>>156047652
Satoshi has never been anyone but Rica Matsumoto.

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>>156034898
>ash

は？

>>156047990
It's a shame the original voice actor died but man, Matsumoto fucking killed that role.

>>156034898
I love how Ash gets blue-balled every time he tries out in a League...

>>156038670
>He's basically the same character from Gen 1.
There was gradual development right until Sinnoh. Isshu is where he got hard reset. Him training May in Hoenn was a great sign of his growth.

I remember Digimon being just as huge and popular as Pokemon when it came out.

But Digimon went multiverse when the 3rd series hit and began it's sharp decline afterwards.

Same might have happened to Pokemon if the franchise went that route.

Tamers best season btw

>>156034898

look at Ash's bottom right to find your answer

>>156048310
The end of DP was the right moment to switch characters. They explained how the League works, that you had to beat the E4 and the current Champion just like in the games. They could've explored all of that, had Ash win and stay as a secondary character, while the spotlight could have been given to someone else.

>>156048364
that's a nice shoe

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>>156048364
I want to look at Ash's bottom!

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>>156038356

>>156048326
Because the Pokemon games were always better, more popular, and better selling than the Digimon games; and since the games are what dictate the popularity of the franchise, Digimon kinda faded while Pokemon kept going.

And this happened to the anime series, though every single Digimon series, even 02 and Hunters, is objectively better than any of the Pokemon seasons.

>>156034898
>Why don't they start over with a new protagonist for each version of the pokemon anime?
>Pic related.
Ash could change, but Pikachu is so famous that most of the world can recognize it, but not any other pokemon.

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Oh wow, forgot pic. It's been a long day.

>>156049143
Why do they make Pikaclones every gen when they still use Pikachu all the time?

>>156034898
You might have noticed that Yu-gi-oh, Digimon, etc. have nowhere near the global brand recognition of Pokemon and all have lower TV ratings.

The jap jews know exactly how their gravy train rolls.

>>156049143
>a new protagonist voiced by Rica Matsumoto with Pikachu as shouldermon
There, a similar MC with the same franchise mascot, only this time they can actually develop a decent character with a decent storyline and plot. Mind you: not good, just decent enough.

>>156034898
Because Ash hasn't found Ho-oh to come full circle in the plot, yet.

>>156049239
Yeah, all thanks to the videogames. Do you think everyone who plays Pokemon watches the ashnime? The brand recognition is maintained thanks to the games, not some animated series that only toddlers and autists watch.

>>156049319
This year's movie will be half about Ho-Oh, but that won't stop them from keeping Ash losing over and over again for another hundred years.

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Ash's arc can end as soon as he becomes competent enough to beat the elite four in Kanto.

>>156034898
why did they change the art style so much?

>>156048326
>I remember Digimon being just as huge and popular as Pokemon when it came out.

It was never as popular. The ratings were always laughable compared to PM. Japan hates everything after 02 anyway

>>156049351
>ashnime

Why are western fans so retarded? Nostalgia? Probably the same people who think Kasumi should come back despite her being the least popular girl.

PokeSupe sells like shit in Japan. The gag manga sold more. Origins failed. Generations was US only for a year. Only westerners seem to have a hard on for hating on Satoshi and think the anime is so e obscure thing. Just because TPCI treats the dub like shit and airs it at fuckall hour of the day doesnt mean its not one of the most popular shows in Japan

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Does it even really matter anymore, Ash has always been the least interesting part of the show.

Watch it for everyone else and hope they don't fuck up the Aether Foundation plot

>>156034898
I hate Ash but looking at current stage of digimon and Yu-gi-oh with their ugly design and forgettable new protagonists I saw the merit of not changing him. Pokémon anime is just an advertisement media for new game/new mons anyway.

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>>156047239
This

>>156045123
The original series is objectively the worst one

>>156049405
He'd have done that several times over if he didn't have an amnesia problem.

>>156049871
Depends

Japan loved GX and Zexal, were indifferent to 5Ds and hated ARCV

Japan loved Adventure and 02 but hated everything after it

Super Sentai changes cast each year to great success.

Duel Masters used one protagonist for mu!tiple series, then another for tons, and the mkst recent series is a new one.

Depends on the franchise if they can survive changing MCs. I find the US is more obsessed with status quo. Americans love to shit on YGO after DM or Power Rangers after MMPR, and nostalgiawank Gen 1 Pokemon, which is also when the mkvies stopped appearing in actual theaters in the US.

For Pokemon ,every non Satoshi related anime work has failed.

>>156049812
>hope they don't fuck up the Aether Foundation plot
They will, anon. They've been fucking up game plots plenty of times already.

>>156047239
Everyone remembers Optimus.

But seriously, most of Anime won't change characters unless the VA dies.

Japan is absolutely adamant on this matter.

>>156045914
>Can anyone explain what the fuck happened in Ash vs Alan to me?
Bad writing happened. Ash was supposed to win the league according to how they developed him during the season.

>>156045123
Peak at a region where you are disqualified for a very convoluted battle.

In a region where Ash didn't even battle for half his badges.

Dude nostalgia is one hell of a drug.

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>>156050110
They improved the Team Flare plot, granted Team Flare was pretty shit to begin with

You literally have your own board for this shit. Fuck off.

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>>156050290
Yeah, the climax of the plot was a blast to watch.

>>156050290
And people where still so assblasted by Ash defeat they went into full damage control at that time.

I mean they put all their baskets on the plot people didn't gave a shit about.

Still seeing Gyarados being badass and core enforcerer in action was great.

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>>156050439
>they went into full damage control at that time

>>156034898
At this point, they couldn't even if they wanted to. They missed their chance when they didn't use new characters for hoenn+

>>156050290
Who's book is that?

>>156050617
You missed on them trying to divert attention to TF plot.

The rage on Ash jobbing kalos league was hard.

>>156051201
>trying to divert attention
Everyone already expect TF plot to plays out after the league anyway, whether he wins or not.

>>156034898
lol they are not going to change the protagonist. Ash and pikachu are iconic mascots franchise for the little kids.

>>156052402
Only because they never changed the protagonist to begin with.
Every game has another protagonist and people still keep playing it.