Which one needs Araragi more?

>>156002035
Me

Well Shinobu needs Aarararagi to live

>>156002074
No she doesn't.
> “Of course, after successfully ridding his body of all its vampire elements, if my master no longer wishes to become a vague existence neither human nor vampire, I shall retract my wish. After healing that arm of his, I shall hide myself away in a mountain to live the life of a hermit.”
“Not happening.”
Before Gaen-san could respond, I spoke my piece.
“There aren’t any Mister Donut stores in the mountains, Shinobu.”
“Ah, true.”

Considering that it's been shown that Shinobu is willing to kill/destroy the whole world if she doesn't have Araragi with her, I'm going to go with Shinobu.

>>156002035
Damn gahara is really ugly compared to the other 2.

>>156002130
"...Araragi, Heartunderblade would starve to death from lack of nutrition. So, Araragi, you would have to constantly be giving Heartunderblade your own blood. The one source of nutrition that would keep Heartunderblade alive would be your flesh and blood, the very thing that will have reduced her to her vulgar state."

>>156002511
It is about Shinobu

>>156002565
They are the same?

>>156002626
She was big in Owari 3. Big and free from Araragi. Able to live alone. But she chose not to.

>>156002693
ah okay im not that far

>>156002035
big bat, best bat

I don't think it's fair to pit them against each other in this way. They all need Koyomi in their own and different ways, depending on the point in time.

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>>156003116
Hanekawa never needs him. He couldn't help her.

>>156003171
I disagree quite a bit, but then I just finished masturbating so I don't have the energy to argue the point.

>>156002419
agreed but that's ok because the real romance is shinobu x aaragragi, they'l be together long after gahara dies

>>156002074
Even without that, she needs someone who can look past her legendary vampire status and care about her. Otherwise she goes nuts from loneliness. Araragi is the only one who fits the bill well enough, even if she has been building a modest network of people who see her as a person.

>>156003116
I'd say that Senjougahara was well on the way to recovery by herself. Araragi probably just sped up the process.

>>156002035
crab is so SHIIIIT

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>>156003411
Catfag please

>>156003454
im sorry but crab really is the worst, one of the worst characters in the series

>>156002035

Kisshot. Without Araragi she'll return to full vamp status and promptly become miserable and try to kill herself again.

I like Cat and Crab, but yeah, Kisshot needs Araragi the most by far.

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>>156003662
> become miserable
But they are already miserable persons! Super miserable.

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>>156002035
Araragi needs to imagine Hanekawa's tits or he won't even be able to ejaculate.

That should tell you enough.

cat>snek=monkey>bat=snail>power gap>crab

>>156004387
Shittest taste ever

>>156004387

Fucking awful taste man, snake anywhere but last place is just pathetically bad.

>>156004413
>>156004427
I like the snek

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Bat=Crab>Math>Monkey=Snail>Cat>Snake

>>156004490

Better, but I'd switch Snail with Math.

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Blocks your path

>>156004490
why monkey is in there she is lesbian

>>156004517
Math is fucking great in Musubi. Her banter with Araragi is top tier.

>>156004557

Snails banter with Araragi is better, IMO.

>>156004572
this so bad

>>156004572
Their banter was great in Bake and Nise. But then it became too meta for me.

>>156002056
honestly this desu senpai

Didn't Kissshot once destroy the world in an alternate timeline because Araragi was killed?
So she needs him the most.

>>156004812

I think that was at least partly because her running away lead to Araragi's death, she could have saved him but didn't, so she feels personally responsible.

>>156002035
Araragi is a pedo so they're too old

>>156004870
I think it was also because she felt his death as intimately as though it had been her own and then only a void where her bond with him once was.

I watched some episode before quitting this garbage where she hates him or something.

Did I misread?

>>156005000
So I think Crab once said that she'd kill the person who killed Araragi, then kill herself.
And Bat will just straight up destroy the world? Well it's clear who needs Araragi the most.

>>156005087
They had a spat, but now they're basically over it and it only ever comes up as an excuse to not fuck each other's brains out.

>>156002419
I'm sorry, I couldn't hear what you were saying behind the sound of your gayness.

>>156002035

Shinobu, she literally cannot mentally function anymore without Araragi. Hanekawa needs him the least.

>>156005227
>liking shit makes you gay

>>156005298
Shinobu was never that bad. She's also recovered quite a bit from her soul-crushing depression.

>>156005203
>Kys
Try "kill yourself" next time

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>>156002035
>Senjougahara
>Heavily implied she would've fallen for anyone that helped her (which is why she had lingering feelings for Kaiki), didn't have to be Araragi. >Would turn yandere if something happened to him, would probably kill herself if he left her.

>Hanekawa
>Doesn't need him, he can't fix her problems. >Interested in him because he was a vampire.
>Let herself get NTRed and threw a temper tantrum

>Shinobu/Kiss Shot
>Literal soulmate
>Could've left him to die but turned him into a vamp
>Has a death pact with him and would literally destroy civilization if he died.
>Reaffirms multiple times how important he is to her through actions.

Gonna have to give this to bat.

>>156002035
Holy fucking shit, stop caring about who Araragi ends up with. He broke up with Hitagi four fucking times. This series is garbage, and I'm not even saying this because I "shipped" them. It's a bad series in general, but it's a sick joke that anyone cares who ends up with who, since it's clear Nisio doesn't.

>>156005807
> He broke up with Hitagi four fucking times
Three times. And only one breakup was serious. Araragi is going to marry Hitagi because he loves her.

>>156005301
Mistaking real beauty and wife material for shit makes you gay, indeed.

>>156005804
>"if you die, I'll kill everyone including your sisters, parents, friends and girlfriend"
Shinobu can go fuck herself.

>>156005804
> Heavily implied she would've fallen for anyone that helped he
But she is glad it was Araragi who did.
> which is why she had lingering feelings for Kaiki
Bullshit

I see the butthurt crabfag brigade has arrived. Or at least I hope it's not one person making all these salty posts.

>>156006013
GTFO with your waifu wars

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>>156005911
It's pretty romantic and he's okay with it, during Kabuki he pretty much accepts the end of the world and would live with Shinobu in it.
He'd kill himself if she died even if it devastates his sisters, parents, friends and girlfriend.

>>156005915
>Bullshit
She hates him because she cared about him at some point, she doesn't feel as strongly about any of the other conmans.

>>156006038
Says the waifu-warring faggot after he got called out.

>>156006077
Araragi's stupidity doesn't justify it.

>>156002035
Shinobu is the only one who really needs him. Other than being physically dependent on him she was suicidally depressed before they met and is now emotionally dependent to the point of becoming a genocidal maniac when he dies.

Hanekawa has been demonstrated to eventually get along fine without him and Crab would have found somebody else without much of a problem.

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>>156005862
>non-serious breakup

>>156006077
> She hates him because she cared about him at some point
Nonsense

>>156006106
Stupid reasons. Not real problems with relationship.

>>156006077
It's not even like that. She flipped the fuck out in an alternate timeline and when the mainline version of her- with only two months more time with Araragi- found out about it she hated herself for it. As of Owari 3, her plan of what to do if Araragi dies is to spend a day spreading stories of how awesome he was before following.

>>156004541
She states she is lesbian but she still like ragi

>>156006175
Getting so emotional and letting your communication fall apart to the point where you break up over stupid shit is a serious problem with your relationship.

>>156006532
Do you have experience?

>>156006614
Not in my own relationships. Got to see a friend's relationship fall apart because of it though. Regardless, it doesn't take an expert to see a couple breaking up repeatedly and realize they have serious issues.

>>156006739
> Not in my own relationships. Got to see a friend's relationship fall apart because of it though.
Wow cool story
Fuck off

>>156006771
>you have to have personally made a fuckup to know it's a fuckup
Yeah. The blind Crab defense force here. Resorting to the most generic non-arguments in existence to make their "point."

>>156006831
You can't spell crabfag without delusional.

>>156006831
Read Musubi spoilers or translated chapter before posting stupid shit.

>>156002035
Araragi needs Hanekawa the most by far.

>>156006880
>yeah he dropped an anvil on his foot three times but he only had to go to the hospital once
>the way he carries anvils is totally fine
>you can't criticize him unless you've dropped an anvil on your foot
>even if you've carried anvils before, it's not relevant
This is your argument. I read the spoilers. Are you still fanny flustered from all the people shitting on crab when they were released?

>>156006880
t. cuck

>>156007051

Please, they don't need each other after Tiger.

>>156007060
The first breakup happened because Araragi is a retard. No serious relationship issues.
The second breakup was so stupid that he doesn't even want to talk about it.
The third breakup was serious because long distance relationship just doesn't work. Circumstances were against them. But they didn't give up.

>>156007189
Sure thing buddy

>>156007436
Araragi doesn't need Hanekawa since Neko Kuro.

>>156007436

It's true, Hanekawa doesn't need Araragi to solve her problems anymore, and Araragi has a whole harem of other girls to help with his problems.

>>156007461
>>156007189
That's a shitty level of comprehension if I ever saw one, learn to read between lines.

>>156007366
The fact that they broke up in the first place is a symptom of a serious issue.
Crab breaking up with Araragi the first time is especially annoying because she basically pulled the same shit with Kaiki.
That they did it again a second time for more stupid shit means it's not just a fluke.
For the third time, well you don't need to break up with your lover when you're in different countries. They broke up because they got into yet another stupid fight about Crab's job instead of talking things out properly like the promise they made to base their entire fucking relationship on and then Crab fucked off. Then she fixed things with her company in the background and broke into Araragi's house to tell him like a fucking psycho and Araragi decided to ignore yet another red flag.

>>156003171
>newtype
I am astonished that magazine is still around.

>>156006771
>>156007366
The chances of a couple staying together after already having broken up once is close to 0%. The chances of a couple staying together after already having broken up three times is literally 0%, even if we're talking about fiction. You literally cannot write a story about a couple breaking up three times then staying together until death do they part. Not only will it be impossible for the reader to suspend disbelief, but the couple will find a way to break up again against all reason.

Araragi and Crab are not staying together, and Nisio is a hack.

>>156007534
I think you might be the one with comprehension issues. You might argue that they "want" each other, but nothing here implies that they "need" each other.

>waifu wars
>for a fucking harem anime

I will never understand this. It's literally created so every girl will cater to SOMEone atleast and the MC is always a dumb slut who wants to fuck all of them at one point so any chance of him making a clear cut choice and it coming off as believable is highly unlikely. The only reason I watch this stupid fuck show is because RRRGI makes me want to be a part of his harem just so I can touch his abs.

>>156007674
The OP isn't about love, but dependance. I'd say it's probably a bad thing if you're waifu "wins" first place in that category.

>>156007542
> she basically pulled the same shit with Kaiki.
It is the only real problem here. Hitagi's hypocrisy.
> instead of talking things out properly like the promise they made to base their entire fucking relationship on
Real life is not that easy. Monogatari always was about "realistic" relationships.

>>156007674

It's not even a harem anime, he literally finds his girlfriend in the first episode and aside from flashbacks he has no romantic interests in anyone else.

>>156007776
I'm not saying they're doomed. I'm saying their relationship has real problems if they're breaking up three times.

>>156007837

They're both very strange flawed people, honestly I would have been disappointed if their relationship was displayed as completely solid.

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>>156002035
Daily reminder that Araragi is only allowed to make love with Hanekawa

>>156007670
t. underage

>>156007837
They never stopped to love each other.

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>>156007741
>I'd say it's probably a bad thing if you're waifu "wins" first place in that category.

Have to agree with this one. Being with someone because you are dependent on them isn't romantic in the least. More tragic or fucked than anything.

>>156007817
>not a harem anime

My sides. I will agree atleast this is one tries to keep his LI consistent even if he still acts like a slut.

>>156004427
>>156004413
>snake is bad
Guess you guys haven't read the latest novel yet huh?

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>>156007889

Daily reminder that Araragi has no regard for the rules.

>>156007977

She's still the worst, bud.

>>156007950
People can still love each other and have their relationship fall apart permanently. It's rather common, really.

>>156008036
So that's the point.

>>156008002
I'd say she might have climbed a couple of ranks after fucking doing something with herself. I'm more inclined to forgive people for being shitty if they did it while they were in middle school and grew out of it. Middler schoolers tend to be shitty people.

>>156008095

She technically beats out Bird and Bee on my list, but I don't technically count them because they're so boring that they aren't really worth noticing.

Still Snake is worst girl out of all the main girls, even if she's done something with her life, it still doesn't put her over any of the others who are infinitely more likable regardless.

>>156007776
>Monogatari always was about "realistic" relationships.
I wish you'd have put that at the beginning, so I could have stopped reading there.

>>156007837
>I'm not saying they're doomed.
You're a retard if you think otherwise. Couples that break up once are almost certainly doomed. Three times? It's impossible for them to stay together.

>>156007867
> would have been disappointed if their relationship was displayed as completely solid.
No, you're just making excuses for bad writing. It's one thing for a couple to fight or have problems. It's something else entirely to break up three times.

>>156007950
>>156008036
>>156008058
You don't love someone and break up with them. Love is not some fleeting emotion, anon. The type of love that a couple who stay together forever has is akin to how much a parent loves their child.

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>>156008157
> Couples that break up once are almost certainly doomed.
100% bullshit. Butt-blasted catfag detected.

>>156008157

People break up and get back together all the time. If you think most relationships never have a break up or a "break" ever you have been watching too much fantasy.

>>156008203
Have you ever met a couple who broke up once, then stayed together? Even one? Compare that to the numerous examples you (personally) can give about couples who have broken up with each other multiple times and eventually stayed apart.

In the course of human history, there have been a handful of people who have broken up once then stayed together. Twice? Maybe one or two. Three times? Never.

>>156008157

> No, you're just making excuses for bad writing.

What, by not expecting Araragi and Senjou to be perfect together when they're clearly abnormal people who have lived weird fucked up lives?

> Couples that break up once are almost certainly doomed

Leave your room once in a while, please.

>>156008252
Now you're taking it too far the other way. Most successful relationships don't have a breakup in them. It's not impossible to breakup and get back together and go the distance, but it's not very common either.

>>156008274

You're an idiot. Dating isn't like it's shown in romance movies where you stay together forever with absolutely no hitches.

>>156008252
>People break up and get back together all the time.
Yes, they do. However, they don't break up and STAY together.

>If you think most relationships never have a break up or a "break" ever you have been watching too much fantasy.
If you think that anything more that a trivial number of people in history have every broken up and then stayed together after, you're objectively wrong. The odds of remaining together after even a single breakup are fantastically uncommon, and they decrease exponentially with each subsequent break up.

>>156007867
I'm just annoyed at seeing rabid shippers pretend that everything is fine and dandy with them. I also think Nisio took it a bit too far if he wants people to not have serious doubts about their relationship. I'm getting flashbacks to bits of Katanagatari where things that seemed off but were downplayed in the start came back to bite later on.

>>156008307
Stop trying to be the sensible middle ground. You're wrong too. This is an issue where reality is biased towards one side.

Have people broken up and then gotten married until death? Yes, it has happened. Does it happen? No, it doesn't. It's not common enough to use that phrase. It has happened, but it doesn't happen. It's a rare event that occurs a few times each century, which you will never see happen in your lifetime. And that's talking about a single breakup, not three.

>>156008362
> you're objectively wrong

Wow, didn't know you were familiar with every relationship there has ever been on this planet, please give us your sources?

Stop being retarded.

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>>156008439

>It's a rare event that occurs a few times each century, which you will never see happen in your lifetime.

>>156008328
Just stop. You think you sound experienced, but you're just revealing that you know nothing about dating or the real world.

This is how it goes in fiction:
>Couple who have been in love since childhood get married and live happily ever after.

This is how it goes in real life:
>You date and break up with 2-20 different people, with hookups in-between. You eventually find one person you get along with, date for a few years, then marry them. Maybe you'll stay together. Maybe you'll divorce. But you won't marry anyone you've broken up with before, and you won't remarry anyone you've divorced.

>>156003171
To add to this point she even left him and went to become Big Boss. She even took the panties back

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>>156008455
>>156008509
>I want Araragi and Crab to be together so much that I'm willing to shut off my brain, sound like a retard, and argue that an almost mythical occurrence happens on a regular basis.

>>156008512

You're thinking in terms of averages buddy. There's got to be, and have been millions of unconventional relationships, just because you or I haven't been personally present to see someone remarry someone they've divorced or gotten back together with someone they broke up with a bunch of times doesn't mean it doesn't happen every other damn day.

This shit really isn't as black and white as you're making it out to be.

>>156008553

This isn't even about Monogatari, this is just being realistic.

>>156008553

> "Imperfect relationships that work out exist in the real world and probably happen a lot"

> "YOURE JUST A DESPERATE CRABFAG"

I wasn't even talking in terms of monogatari anymore dumbass, we don't know how Araragi's/Crabs relationship is going to work out, they've got fucking decades ahead of them still, but that doesn't mean weird relationships like theirs have absolutely zero chance to actually exist and zero chance to actually work out.

>>156008439
This is fiction mate. Nisio likes to go for realistic relationships, but he's throwing in fantasy elements too, like Crab convincing her company to open a branch office in Japan and put her at the head, and Cat becoming Big Boss. You should have doubts about their relationship but not count them out until it happens. This is why I think that a middle ground is probably reasonable.

If you're trying to argue that Nisio went retarded with the characterization and you're having a hard time suspending your disbelief then fine. You're still going overboard though.

>>156008562
50% of marriages end in divorce rather than death. That's a 1 in 2 chance of failure right there. You're seriously arguing that people breaking up and then staying together is an "every other day" thing? And again, that's one breakup, not three.

If Nisio Isin personally came to my house and told me (in perfect English)

>Araragi and Hitagi get married and stay together until death.

I wouldn't believe him, unless he followed it up with

>One of them dies two years after the wedding.

>>156004387
no its snail>monkey>snek>cat>crab>bat

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>>156008667

You seem like the ideal /r9k/ poster.

>>156008572
I agree. I don't even care about this series or this couple. But I'm the only one being realistic here.

Calling this kind of thing "rare" is an understatement. It's mythical.

>>156008667

> breaking up and then staying together is an "every other day" thing?

The world is a BIG place anon, 7 billion people get up to a lot of shit behind closed doors. In terms of relationship shit like this, if it's happened once, its happened a thousand times.

>>156008688
Ha ha, what the fuck are you even talking about? Plenty of people get married and stay together until death, dude. And no, they aren't pure virgins or anything like that. All I'm saying is that people who breakup and then get together WITH THE SAME PERSON are not going to stay with them. It just doesn't work that way.

>>156002035
i am ready to do battle with my stapler

>>156005881
She isn't wife material, monkey is.

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>/a/ teaches each other about relationships
Youre all fags and whatever love you find probably isn't as cute as this.

>>156008632
I'm more just taking a jab about people who are still clinging to the romance in this. Yes, this is fiction, and yes Nisio can write it however he wants. But he wrote something completely unbelievable if he seriously wants the audience to still be invested in that relationship.

If you can suspend your disbelief to the point that you think this couple is in it for the long haul, you're bending over backwards so far your back has snapped in two.

>>156008788

I think you're just reaching a little too much anon.

Something like this is certainly not impossible. Even if it's rare, it's possible, has happened an assload of times and will happen an assload more. It's entirely possible, so it's entirely believable.

>>156008880

literally in the filename

>>156008824
>Couple broke three times, then married and stayed together until death (which was at least 40 years from their marriage).
How many times do you think that happened in the 20th Century? Even once?

>It's entirely possible, so it's entirely believable.
Possible and believable are two separate things. Something improbable is both possible and unbelievable.

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>>156008775
Oh shit. My real relationships will never be as cute as a fictional one specifically designed to be cute.

>>156008891
The filename is cut off for me:
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>>156008928
fucking phoneposters

>>156008928
Then fucking check the thread when you get back home instead of shitting it up.

>>156008915

> How many times do you think that happened in the 20th Century?

Probably a lot, especially considering how flaky teens/young adults are. Again, there are billions of people on this earth anon, even if the probability is low, it's still probably a lot more than you think.

> Something improbable is both possible and unbelievable

Improbable in this context would be "something with a low probability to happen, has" wouldn't it? And like I said, even if it's improbable, with a population this large, it would still be many MANY people, which, to me, makes it believable.

Catfags are desperate. Just let it go. Araragi chose Hitagi.

>>156007674
>harem anime
>not having waifu wars
pick one

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>>156009139
four times

>>156008924
If only everyone realized that truth and kept their 3d dating theories to themselves.

>>156008512
> But you won't marry anyone you've broken up with before, and you won't remarry anyone you've divorced.
I personally know a guy who broke up with one girl, started dating another, broke up with her too, then first one came back, they married and now the have a kid.

>>156002511
>Araragi, Heartunderblade would starve to death from lack of nutrition. So, Araragi, you would have to constantly be giving Heartunderblade your own blood
This is the case when Shinobu has been bounded to Araragi shadow and become a little girl. I don't know where this fucking stupid meme came from, th Shinobu can not live with out Araragi. Retards seem to forget she lived for 58 years without.

The only case where Shinobu can not live without him is when they are bounded together, because she is to weak to attack humans. In her full power, while she is not bounded to Araragi she could life while eating a human every month

>>156010610
She's still super emotionally dependant on him. Without him around she's going to become suicidal like she was in Kizu pretty fast. Technically, anyone who would socialize with her on a regular basis would probably be enough to stop her from getting to that point but no one else has really gotten over the "legendary vampire" bit before.

>>156004387
crab>monkey=snek>snail>power gap> cat

>>156007461
Araragi doesn't need Hanekawa since Kizu.

>>156002035
Shinobu because of her immortality

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Needs? Kiss-shot/Shinobu
Wants? Hanekawa
Desires? Senjougahara

>>156002419

At least it doesn't look like she bathed in oil.

>>156013746
It still does, only a bit less.

>>156002056
Same. Those ugly girls don't deserve him.

>>156009256
four times more than anyone else

Shinobu
>Needs him the most
>Is the most deserving of him
>Is the best girl

Crabfags can fuck off. She was good until she cut off her hair. Only bisexual faggots like short hair.

>>156005804
>>156005911
This is bullshit though you fucking secondary there were circumstances involving the huge mess that was route X, fucking Gean even mentions that such a route won't happen again since both Araragi and Shinobu have seen it

And if you want more proof go read owari last chapter before you retards feed people the wrong information.

>>156006098
>to the point of becoming a genocidal maniac when he dies.
God the fucking secondaries is this thread, fuck off. Kill yourself

>>156005804
It's implied that Shinobu would've falled for Seishiro if he got to her first too. In the cases of all three girls it's sort of a moot point though, the series runs (or atleast says it does, I don't feel that it does this consistently though) with the idea the soulmate stuff is bullshit and that relationships need to be worked at to be maintained and so on.

If you wanna disregard that angle of thought then honestly, I'd argue that it's fucking Sodachi who was the best "match" for Araragi.

>>156003373

Not really, if anything Hanekawa was the one that needed less help.

Like seriously, if Araragi really does break up with Gahara, she would completely fall apart, she is sprung over him. Whereas Hanekawa can eventually heal and understand that they need some space in a relationship she had.

Nisio makes light of it, but in the LN, her father and Araragi were what kept her together. It's why Hanekawa doesn't get enough credit when she decides to recover solo, Hitagi has always had her father and Araragi through her entire healing process.

>>156021265
>if Araragi really does break up with Gahara, she would completely fall apart
He did though. Three times. She didn't fall apart.

>>156020366
>I'd argue that it's fucking Sodachi who was the best "match" for Araragi.
It's why Gahara is so irrationally intimidated by her being around (hell there was probably less sex going on within the Araragi household when she was staying there compared to when she wasn't) despite Sodachi not being able to succeed at anything

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>>156020366
>fucking Sodachi who was the best "match" for Araragi

Truth.

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>>156021520
It's hard to tell, they are too similar including the unhealthy personality aspects. Being together might put them in a positive feedback loop toward self-destruction. Or their exceptional care for any other could work as breaks, as each would prevent the other from ever self-destructing.

>>156021902
I meant brakes.

>>156021902
I'm not convinced that either of them will ever actually escape eventual self-destruction unless they completely reverse their outlook on life anyway, might as well spend that life with someone else who has a good understanding of that.

>>156021902
>prevent the other from ever self-destructing
Like what's happening right now with Shinobu?

>>156023281
Not sure if the same. Shinobu wants (or wanted) to die, neither Sodachi nor Araragi want that but instead they will always go to the point of risking their life for anyone in need because they value it very little.

Shinobu might be enabling him to risk his life all the time if anything by giving him full support and powers. But I didn't read everything and there are probably more insights later about their relationship.

>>156023555
Yeah, it's not exactly the same, but the end result of them having suicidal tendencies but supporting each other through them is very close.

There was a time where you could argue that was the case, but it seems Shinobu has figured out that Araragi is gonna hurt himself if she enables him too much and has started chewing him out for doing shit that is gonna get himself killed. A couple of times are animated, if slightly unclear about what her intentions are. Currently Araragi is actively refusing to borrow her power because he doesn't want to go full vamp.

>>156021347

Like an actual breakup. Those three times they were still pretty assured of getting back together. See the last breakup. The only issue so far has been bad communication, not a solid desire to break up. There is a difference.

>>156021902

They both should listen to Hanekawa more. I was sad Sodachi broke off from Hanekawa, but kept trying to get with Araragi and Gahara, even with the drama. Hanekawa kept her promise and got shunned, like always. So sad.

>>156024948
I bet you think Crab would have the guts to kill someone too.

>>156025106
Sodachi broke off with everyone at the same time. She only got back with Araragi because of the sudden meeting in musubi. She is probably aware she can't get close to Hanekawa anymore though, like anyone else in the series. She could even be fired for being close to an international criminal who broke into the public office she works at.

>>156025106
Sodachi keeps running into Araragi by chance. Also by matter of plot they're just a lot more connected to each other than she is with Hanekawa, it's not the same thing at all.

Outside of Araragi saying that they were all friends for a while she doesn't seem that close to Gahara at all, the closest coverage of that relationship we've had is the Sodachi Lost commentary where Gahara says that she's just always disliked her for some reason.

>>156002035

Shinobu literally needs him to live

Crab needs him to not be a dysfunctionsl wreck

Cat just thinks she needs him but later realizes she doesn't.

>>156002035
WHEN IS THE NEW SEASON I WANT TO SEE MORE SNAIL AND BAT ACTION

>>156003536

Crab is S-class girlfriend material

I can't understand people who think otherwise.

>>156004490

Math too high otherwise perfect

>>156004490
>math and crab higher than snail
I will find you and murder you in your sleep you fucking shit taste pile of human waste

>>156007654

My Grandparesnt broke up at least three times I know about, they've been married for 50+ years.

>>156007674

>Monogatari
>Haren anime

>>156007817
>he has no romantic interests in anyone else.
Delusion the post

Kisshot is the best.

>>156009139
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>156026652
But they spent four episodes telling us that he wasn't interested in Hanekawa like that. That must mean it's true. His relationship with Shinobu is totally platonic too. None of their naked cuddles/casual bondage play means anything sexual.

>>156026896

>Sex
>Romance

>The same thing

I can bang someone purely theoretically and not want to marry her.

>>156011012
>She's still super emotionally dependant on him.
They are both heavily depended on each other, it comes from both sides.
>Technically, anyone who would socialize with her on a regular basis would probably be enough to stop her from getting to that point but no one else has really gotten over the "legendary vampire" bit before.
I am not in the mood to explain but, no.

>>156026994
It's already thoroughly established that they love each other. When you combine sex+love it's really hard to squirm out of it being romance.

Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blade

cus of donuts and lewds.

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I like Black Hanekawa.

>>156026896
>His relationship with Shinobu is totally platonic too. None of their naked cuddles/casual bondage play means anything sexual.
I believed I had seen stupid, but you anon surprise me. Well done.

>>156026896
You are blind as fuck if you don't see how much they want to fuck each others brains out. They have almost run out of excuses.

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>>156027202
>>156027250
I understand that sarcasm can be hard to recognize in text, but seriously.

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>>156026453
Agreed, Math and Snail should be always on the same tier, the best girls tier.

>>156026453
Snail does not show up enough, Mayoi Hell is the last time she has a major role. She appears once very briefly in the entirety of Off Season.

>>156002035
My dong

>>156027338
Now that you mention it

>>156027397
And it's a fucking crime because she's a wonderful character.

>>156027338
what ep&season is this from??

>>156027940
Late in Karen Bee. I don't remember the exact episode.

>>156004387
This.

>>156002035
i hate crab

Monogatari is so shit jesus christ. It took me all the way until kizu to realize it.

>>156002035
This art has been going to shit since second season. Now they all have the same dumb shiny rubber faces.

I don't get why people say shit like."If someone else helped them first they would have faklen for him instead" like it means anything.

You're basically "If they never met and were helped Arararagi they wouldnt have fallen in love with Arararagi" which means essentially nothing. Not arguing for anyone in particular, just commentating on something that I see said a lot which is pretty dumb.

>>156027161
>Liking guys
Literal faggot

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>>156028663
It took you ~90 episodes to realize that you don't like the series

>>156008274
Yes, most every long-term couple I know had rough patches where they were separated. Several are even married now.
It's a natural part of getting to know someone- when you finally get a handle on the unpleasant parts, you might need a bit of time to gain perspective.

>>156030053
Well it turned to shit slowly over time. I probably should have stopped after how fucking terrible hana was.

>>156029445
uwot

>>156002035
>Which one needs Araragi more?
Karen.

I'm dead fucking serious, I don't blame Koyomi for having doubts about whether or not that dumbfuck can survive in the world by herself.

>>156030106
>Well it turned to shit slowly over time
It's possibly one of the most hit-or-miss long series from arc-to-arc I've ever seen, always has been from the start. Never seen anyone say that it slowly degraded over time before.

>>156030162
>It's possibly one of the most hit-or-miss long series from arc-to-arc I've ever seen, always has been from the start.
This is true but personally I don't think this is because the actual writing quality is spotty.

I think it's more because the style can vary wildly from arc to arc and there are so many arcs now that even among fans few people are going to like everything.

Outside of maybe Bake it's pretty easy to find a fan who didn't appreciate whatever arc you want.

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Tsubasa won't save herself, and she won't let herself be saved, then what can he do?

She's too strong and self-reliant, so when she fucks up, she goes full-on unstoppable psychopath serial killer (well, serial energy drainer). Her mind is so powerful, she can create and bend oddities to her will.

It's said that the great Taoist sages don't die because they close themselves off in perfection, and death can find no crack on them by which it can grip them. Tusbasa is the same in regards to love: she has no human flaws, no weaknesses by which he could come to grips with her. She's never defenseless, and she's always right.

Perfect body, perfect mind, perfect soul.

>>156002035
Araragi definitely needs Hanekawa the most

>>156031068
>and she won't let herself be saved
What? She & Araragi vowed to always go to each other when they need help, it's why him showing up at the end of Tiger was internally consistent even.

Why does every monogatari thread always devolve into Crab-Cat-Bat fags always barking at each other and arguing that they deserved to be cucked be alalagi?

Cat is just pic related in anime form.
Crab is best girl and desperately needs Ararararagi to walk her home very gently, but she could probably get by without him. I can hardly see any love between them and their chemistry is pretty week.
Shinobu needs him so she doesn't fuck the world over.

But who even know what this series is about anymore? Everything up to Owari is fine, but I have no idea what the fuck is even happening in Owari.

>>156007980
t. cuckqueen

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After watching Kizu definitely Shinobu needs him most
I feel for Araragi though, after seeing her so violently eating people it just doesn't feel right to love her even if she is a sexy beast

>>156031220
Outside of maybe Ougi Formula the arcs in Owari that have been animated so far were more straightforward than the ones in Second Season though? All the Sodachi stuff could've been in Bake and not feel out-of-place even.

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>>156031177
Well, because those relationships are actually core to the story. That and cucking is always fun.

>>156031220
>Shinobu needs him so she doesn't fuck the world over.
Stop this fucking meme.
>Of course, that doesn’t mean we’ve forgiven each other. Perhaps in 400 years’ time, there will come a day when we can forgive one another, and a day when we can forget about everything, but for now, call it complacency or call it compromise, call it collusion or call it clowning, that’s how it is between the two of us.

>“If you were to die tomorrow, I would be ready to end my own life tomorrow—and if you care to live for today, then so will I.”

>“If you were to die the day after tomorrow, I would live until the day after that—and I would tell someone else your story. I would proudly tell them tales of my master.”
And even before this point Gean pointed out that Shinobu would never again do something like that. Route X had circumstances.

>>156031330
She had pretty bad manners, but she was exaggerating how gruesome it was to goad Araragi.

>>156031161

And then she saves him against Ougi.

It's a back and forth thing.

>>156025468

That makes sense, but I think she should also wonder how someone known to do such good works can be suddenly labeled an international criminal. She sounded like Hanekawa was just a bother, and not in the "this can be interpreted as tsundere" like with Araragi. That was why I said it was sad, because Hanekawa remembered and acted on that promise from Sodachi Lost, even with as busy as she is now.

>>156031977
Sodachi is not dumb, she is perfectly aware why Hanekawa is labeled an international criminal, it's probably even common knowledge since her acts are public. And Sodachi acts like everyone is a bother all the time, it's not specific about Hanekawa. She even acts respectful toward Hanekawa in particular.

“Something wrong with that? I was desperately trying to avoid you and Senjougahara and Hanekawa-san’s stalking."

Whats the point of these threads

Aragi and Senjougahara have been toguether since the beginning and its not going to change any time soon

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>>156031220
Pic related is Cat, by the way.

>>156032528
"Together" in the loosest way. When was the last time they even had a scene together? Crab is best girl for sure, but they don't really click when they're together.

>>156002056
Fpbp

>>156031441
>>Of course, that doesn’t mean we’ve forgiven each other.
Stop lying Araragi you massive, cock-gobbling retard.

>>156002056
this

>>156025106
Putting Hanekawa aside, I honestly felt horrible that Sodachi stayed together with Araragi and Senjougahara even after Senjougahara's retarded temper tantrum that rendered her homeless. I'm glad she eventually broke contact with them again.

So I watched the first series want to know hwo he ends up with? Is it crab? bat?

>>156037531
His sister Karen.

>>156037611
I find that hard to believe as much as that would be an interesting pairing.

>>156037674
It's not entirely wrong. Shit gets pretty hot and heavy between them.

>>156037674
They spent the entire series doing lewd things together, and later they go live together alone. Karen also learned how to cook for him.

>>156037857
>>156037874
I mean I can't honestly see that pair be end game. I feel like crab is end game since she is first girl and on the cover of vol1 of the Ln.

>>156038049
It's true, and his other sister went to America to become a casino dancer.