DRAGON BALL SUPER IS SHIT

-Animation and art is seriously sub par compared even to DBZ that aired in the fucking '80s. It's been 25 years, animation should be atleast OPM level ffs. Almost all episodes have plenty of moments where they look like they are animated and drawn by 12 year olds. Art of the manga is the only thing better than the anime/
-Fights lack the intensity and the choreography of the original Dragon Ball and DBZ. Punches and kicks, ki blasts, and special attacks lack consistency and weight. Special effects look like they are made in Flash.
-Recolored Super Saiyan forms, feels like Mortal Kombat Trilogy if you know what I mean. Even Super Apeman 4 is better than this shit.
-Goku is now retarded, he lacks logic, moral sense and awareness. He puts all of the universes including his own at risk of total annihilation without even feeling even a bit of remorse. DBSuper negates all of his character development that he earned through his life.
-Gohan is a literal cuck, he doesn't realize the type of shit his universe is in. He refuses to help save his planet because he has to go to work. He doesn't realize that even with his untrained body he can annihilate any human on Earth and by just becoming a well-known martial artist like Mr. Satan he can make easily hundreds of millions of zenni without even trying, much more than doing economics or whatever.
-Huge powers scaling issues, Goku becomes insanely strong but fucking Krillin and Android 17 can keep up with SSB which is Above Universal now. Freeza becomes god-level by just training a few months. Trunks in the Zamasu arc gets bullshit power ups. Goku Black, who is a freshly revived Dr. Gero arc Goku, keeps up with present SS1 Goku, and becomes much stronger than SSB over night. Goku gets hurt by a laser and by a gunshot.
-DBSuper's soundtrack is unmemorable and uninspired imo.

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>>155974153
>>155974188

In conclusion, I am very disappointed with the state of DBSuper, it feels like a cash grab for toys than an actual evolution to a series. It should be better than DBZ, not have it's issues and then some.

What do you guys think?

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Dragonball was a shounen comic. It was aimed at young boys, and will always be aimed at young boys. It's not aimed at autists like you who over-examine every little detail to the point of exhaustion. Kids watch this and don't give a shit about the contradictions or inconsistencies because they don't care.

It's time to grow out of your Toonami phase and let it go.

>>155974153
Probably they make DBS because toei and toriyama wants more money, also they can make more games with the new characters and forms
Also showing DBS in a child time (9 am) don't help much either

Animes are dead.
Mangas are dead.
Japanese are greedy.
Dark times.

Are you done throwing a hissy fit?

>>155974238

I like it only because of Hit. Also, while I agree on the first arcs and Zamasu's arc being utter shit, right now it's trying to get back at the spirit of original DB and DBZ, I kinda like it.

About Beerus being dick sucked, I really hope Super ends with Goku or Vegeta or Vegito beating him.

i enjoyed everything starting with the U7 and U6 tournament, its just a kids show you people are way too nitpicky.

>>155974188
one punch man has a lot of work put into it. Super was announced.It realeased 2 months after the announcement. That is short by anime standards. OPM was not rushed. OPM is extremely polished. Episode 66, story aside, in terms of animation, was phenominal. That was ~11 weeks in production. Episode 5 , in terms of animation, is known for being shit, it was 4 weeks in production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5kEYa8jYmg&list=PL836DDC1A20726279&index=3
Fucking awesome. When will subfags learn?

>tfw Boruto is better then both GT and Super
Dbfags BTFO

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>people expecting quality from a show aimed at little boys
Just give more waifus pls.

>>155974153
Wait for the bump limit you fucking retard

>>155974153
What the fuck are you expecting from a saturday morning shounen show?

Why do dub dragon ball fans care so much about the mistakes made by a dude in texas in the 90s?

>>155974153
Is Marcarita the best angel?

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soon...

>>155974153
>What the actual fuck is wrong with Toei Animation
please stop suddenly realizing that toei animation is bad at animating
>Why are they treating one of the greatest and most influential franchises, Dragon Ball, like it is some average shitty rebooted Scooby Doo cartoon
Because it is toriyama could of been milking dragonball for years before super even began dragonball is no masterpiece either accept that is gotten worse and continue watching in it or don't.
a lot easier than criticizing the same shit, although I don't disagree with you at all.

>>155980960
no. it is, always was, always will be, vados

>>155981012
never

>>155980634
so we should expect 0/10 quality then?

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>>155981012
Soon.

>>155982007
What are the honest chances we'll see a white hair transformation

>>155982300
Depends if it'll sell as well as SSJ2 toys.

>>155980634
>it's for kids, i-it's supposed to be shit xD

This excuse again

>>155981878
Yes.

When they will meet the female Broly, you realize if they make just a little reference to the Broly from the movies like if they fought him in the past it could be completly destroy the entire continuity coherency of dragon ball?

Id be damn surprised if OP is older than 16. 4chan isnt your space to vent into, quit fucking whining. Watch the show or dont kid, nobody but you is making you watch it.

Only a minority of people care to the point where they outright hate the series. Most other fans dont really give a shit.

Chill.

Anyone has information about the next episodes like 87-88-89?

I hope it ends on ep 100, enough of this shit.

>>155982773
Check r/dbz .

>>155982811
You can just not watch it man.

>>155974528
>Dragonball was a shounen comic
It started as a gag comic, another factor types like the OP hate to come to terms with(hurr Buu is stupid), but your point still stands.

>>155980634
If you want more girls just watch little girl shows. They usually have better character designs too so the girls are prettier.

>>155974153
>DRAGON BALL SUPER IS SHIT
More news at 11.

>>155974153
>makes the show feel like WWE
Dragon ball super is not fake It is just predetermined

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Guys, I really want to ask you something.

Am I the only one who is happy to see C-17 this strong?

And it does make sense to me, he trained for years non-stop.

Also, since he refused to protect the univer, he can also ignore buu.

No incoherence to me, since we know they can grow stronger, also with unlimited stamina.

>>155982920
You do know that shounen isn't a genre, right? It's a demographic. Stuff like Shokugeki is also a shounen manga, just with a focus on cooking instead of action / comedy / romance / what have you.

>>155983330
>And it does make sense to me, he trained for years non-stop.

So did Goku and he trained with higher beings and got a massive power boost handed to him.

>>155983330
It does not make sense to me, but fuck sense to be honest, best boy 17 deserves screen time and deserves power up.
Imagine him being absent, for like, 20 years or more, and then triumphantly return only to be one-shotted by Goku. Not very exiting, eh?

>>155983330

>unlimited stamina

little did we know the problem with the heat death of the universe has also been solved but sadly that one asshole has to act like nothing matters and is ok with the universe being destroyed even if we know because of the opening that he's gonna join anyway so we can stretch this filler shit for more episodes. Also fuck punctuation.

>>155983496
Goku doesn't have unlimited stamina, also 17 was stronger than SSJ before without even training, so imagine when he train by himself with unlimited stamina, just like freezer but with a slower progress (10 years I think)

>>155983512
Same, even though I think that it's credible at least.

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>>155983330
>Am I the only one who is happy to see C-17 this strong?
No, i'm also glad that non-saiyan fighters are finally getting screentime and good fights, specially 17 who was out from the stoy for a long time.

The powerlevel crap doesn't bother me at all, since i watch and enjoy DBS for the epic fights and flashy transformations, not because i need to validate some made-up numbers and charts.

>>155983626
At least, it explain why he did jack shit against buu.

And about his stamine, It's true, he can't get tired.

>>155983674
Same, even though I think it's at least credible for C-17, specially when you are aware of freezer golden form.

>>155983653
Stamina doesnt make you stronger, it just makes you last longer.

>>155983330
>>155983674
Yeah, 17 was one of my favorite characters so it's awesome to see him again. I don't expect him to be defeat Jiren or anything ridiculous but it's nice to see him put up a fight

>>155983496

Obviously he hit the gym every day , drank his protein shakes and that allows him to keep up. I know this is a kids show and we're not supposed to take it seriously but fuck at least have some consistency, its embarrassing.

>>155983726
And it help you to train much much longer

>>155983755
>Who is freezer?

>>155977441
Hit is literally the most garbage character ever designed.

I fast forward whenever he appears.

>>155983837
he is the sexiest character. especially when yamamuro designs him

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>>155983926

Uub is in the manga. he is cannon.
btfo

>this reddit tier autistic rant
Didn't read a line. Go back to >>>/reddit/

Why do people like Android 17 so much.
I don't even remember him doing anything impressive. He fought with Piccolo for a while and then was absorbed by Cell I think?

>>155984041
Tell that to 'EoZ got retconned xDD' fags

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So regardless of him and Goku holding back or not. Do you think 17 is god tier or close to it?

He's also been hyped so much by Toei that won't be surprising if he is.

>>155984172
He's cool and has a nice design, he's even more based in DBS.

>>155984272
perhaps he is like freeza. in which a small amount training would make his power level grow exponential

>>155984272
Yes, not stronger than Goku and Vegeta but definitely God Tier, he's not a normal human.

No wonder why messing up with human's cell is prohibited among gods just like travelling around time.

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I love tadayoshi yamamuro sama. his characters look so sexy and on model

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>>155984272
http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Android_17

He's confirmed as god-tier.

So happy to see /ourboy/ being this relevant.

>>155974153
You're just realizing this now? Fucking idiot.

>>155974238
>it feels like a cash grab for toys than an actual evolution to a series
Because it literally is.

I cant wait for roshi to fight ssb goku . The community will explode as if toriyama died

>>155983837

He has a powerset that includes more than ki blasts and strenght boosts without being a joke character, that's enough to make him compelling.

>>155984780

If they manage to make Roshi relevant again, it will justify Super's existence. Teaching the Mafuba doesn't count, you can learn it on youtube.

>>155983496
This, Toei can't write for shit.

>>155984864
Hit was shoe horned in as a villain that was suddenly as strong as goku and beerus.

>le epic hitman that can stop time for (((Reasons)))

Its fan fiction tier.

>>155985161
Goku isn't a cyborg, he was never a SSJ-tier fighter without training either.

Comparing C-17 to goku is retarded.

>>155985324

17 was the lesser of two androids who stood no chance against form 2 of cell.

Cell who was defeated long before goku got anywhere near ssj3

Then goku becomes an actual god.
But suddenly, instead of being a god he just changes his hair blue and is even more strong.

And they never explain this or show the transformation. He just has it.

And now that guy from 6 seasons ago is on par with him. Bravo toei.

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>>155985422
He's the best cyborg, 16 is not a cyborg.

Also, Freezer is ok for you?

>>155985544
Freeza coming back made this abortion even worse.

But freezas movie was the highlight of the series animation and style wise.

>>155985422
>17 was the lesser of two androids who stood no chance against form 2 of cell.

Wrong, he's the strongest of the two and Toriyama mentionted that he has great potential.

vados looks so sexy.
Is toei trying to tempt me
?

>>155984172
literal fags who enjoy raising their wife's sons

>>155985583
Still, if you still watch DB after ROF, then a cyborg, who was stronger than SSJ without training, unlimited stamina, who is able to progress without getting tired for 10 years shouldn't be a problem to you.

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>>155985665
Umad?

>>155985665
Whatever you say, cuckfag.

>>155985422
Form 1 actually.

After perhaps the best fight in the entire saga, imperfect cell STOMPED 17 with no actual effort at all.

>>155985583
Nigga what???

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>>155974153
You must hate fun. Don't worry mate, all that teenage angst will eventually go away when you grow up and you will learn to enjoy things.

>>155985726
Goku needed to train to attain SSJ-tier, 17 didn't have to.

Now imagine him training with unlimited stamina.

>>155985726
If only an actual good creation of Gero like Cell was allowed to train, not those shitty jobbers

>>155985871
Cell has a great design but meh tier vilains

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How the fuck does a cyborg who doesn't have ki get stronger by training?
And what kind of hellish training did he do that made him on par with god-level characters even though he has muh nature and muh family to take care of while Goku is off training nearly 24/7
Does 17 have a secret increased gravity + hyperbolic time chamber combo stashed away somewhere?

>>155986105
your fault for expecting consistent writing.

>>155986105
He has human part combined with the cybernetic part, he can get stronger.

Ki is not an argument, otherwise he couldn't had fought against vegeta and piccolo.

Unlimited stamina, he can train a lot without getting tired, without the need to sleep

>>155986105
Obviously he has been fighting those Potchers for years. They must give him a shit ton of EXP.

>>155986248
You don't know how he trained.

We just know that he trained

>>155986239
If androids have ki why don't they have an aura and why can't it be sensed?

>>155986105
it's literally the most stupid thing to happen in super

>>155974153
a lot of you idiots take this WAY too seriously.

i watch this show for nostalgia and entertainment. it entertains me and that's all i expect from it. your standards are too high for such a SIMPLE show

do you actually believe toriyama puts as much thought into the series as some of you spergs?

>>155985800
I don't have to imagine it.
It's called every fucking training session where goku has a fat sack of senzu beans.
Which is basically every session since the end of the saiyajin saga.

>>155985871
Cell was only good when he was imperfect.
He only became worse and worse as it went on.

yo when is the manga coming out?

>>155986239
They were normal human children who've never trained a day in their life who were augmented with the best cybernetic augmentations the fucking universe had ever seen.
Even had fucking synthetic ki generators. Which probably just took ki from the environment and recycled it. It didn't constantly generate it so much as it constantly pulled it in from everywhere.

They are not physically....amazing enough to become so fucking strong from training without end that they'll equal SSJB and surpass SSJG.
It makes fuck all sense.

>every wimp character is SSB level now because plot comvenience

Fuck it, GT was better.

>>155987924
a lot better.. i remember the goku vs baby fight was hype af

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I don't give a shit about the 17 vs Goku fight. What pisses me off the most right now is the fact that some aliens are going to conveniently show up to somehow help convince 17 to join the team. Fuck these writers.

This arc would be so much better without the god level fighters in it. I just want to see the lesser fighters show their new skills.

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WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION I NEED LEAKS

>>155974153
>>155974188
It's low budget garbage for kiddies who are too young to have standards.

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So will he ever get a purpose beyond being a plot device/Trunks powerup?

>>155988740
no.
pan beats him at the end.
So don't expect him training with whis or anything like that

>>155987652
At any moment now.

-Goku is balls to the walls retarded and constantly making extremely poor decisions that even his child self from DB wouldn't make
-Seriously, it really feels like he has zero care about anyone's life anymore or about what's doing right
-Gohan is being told to us that he's still a thing despite him constantly being a nothing still
-Vegeta and Piccolo is the only natural character progression
-Future Trunk's character arc was okay
-Zamasu, while convoluted, was okay
-SSGod should have been the highest they can go and the series is about Goku and Vegeta trying to achieve that level by themselves
-SSGSS Kaioken was told to us to be too unyielding for Goku to use still but then he can for no reason despite him saying he's gotten weaker after getting hit by a bullet
-Best episode was a baseball episode

>>155988740
Best you can hope for is a filler episode about him, and even that's a long shot. Last time he and Trunks were in a filler arc, ssj3 Gotenks got squashed and then they got shoved aside for a pseudo Goku Vegeta fight.

All that's going to happen with Goten will be having his fighting spirit crushed by ChiChi.

>>155974528
>will always be aimed at young boys

>>155988664
>for kiddies

Two points about this
1. Having a young target audience is no excuse for low quality
2. The idea that DBS has a younger target audience is... questionable. It carries the name of the most popular anime/manga franchise in existence, that had prior to its revival ended 20 years ago. Even its youngest fans are now in their early 20s, and Super relies almost entirely on nostalgia and fanservice. Had Super come out in isolation, it would be one of those 12 episode seasonal anime that gets cancelled after four episodes for shit ratings. On the other hand I can see for example Boruto being popular even in a hypothetical world where Naruto never existed (though admittedly I'm basing this on only 2 episodes).

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>>155989261
>All that's going to happen with Goten will be having his fighting spirit crushed by ChiChi

>>155988740
Not while chichi exists.

>>155989456
Goku should've never married her

>>155983420
Yes? I said your point still stands.

>>155989487
Yeah at this point i'd rather have no Gohan or Goten at all than have them constantly getting cockblocked by her. Seriously fuck Chichi.

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This one's for those who wanted Goten to be relevant.

Gohanfags can cheer for it too if they want.

>>155989668
Well if Goku got with another women (I mean Bulma certainly was interested in Teen Goku) I'm sure a Gohan would've been born.

>>155989748
He'd probably be named Trunks, but with Goku's face and Bulma's hair/eye color.

>>155989883
I'm sure Bulma would've allowed for a Gohan in memory of Goku's Grandpa, the second would be Trunks.

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>Goten
Literally who?

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So how is 18 going to keep with her brother now if they are no longer in the same tier?

Oh well, i still expect both team up to perform great combo attacks.

>>155974153
>Uub exists
>Goku will train him later

GT IS CANON
>GT IS CANON
GT IS CANON

>>155974153
They did the same with Saint Seiya Omega, Sailor Moon Crystal and Digimon Adventure Tri.

Expect the worst from Toei, minus when its Tokusatsu/Precure.

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Why do people think Goku's stupid? TFS memed up Goku's "stupidity" too hard. Just read some of the stuff he said throughout the series.

>[When Frieza kills Vegeta] Goodbye, Vegeta. You’re not as cold-hearted as you believed yourself to be. A heart of stone can’t shed tears like you did. You must have been holding them back your whole life. I’m the only one left. I think I understand you now. You weren’t grieving over your own death, or because our home planet was destroyed. You were grieving because he turned you into what he wanted you to be. You never had a chance to be anything else. Well I still respect you. I know you made a lot of mistakes, but now I see that it wasn’t all your fault. You had the fiery will of a Saiyan. Please share that with me now, ’cause I need it. Thank you for saving my son’s life and buying enough time for me to recuperate. I’ll do my best to carry out your wish. (to Frieza) It’s true. Vegeta’s right. You have no honor. For him. And for everyone else you’ve destroyed, I am going to finish you.

Is it because they're stupid and can't comprehend the 11D multiversal chess based Son kun is playing.

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>>155974153
Because only spics care about this crap.

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>>155990230

she always has Destructo Disc
and maybe Kamehameha?

all 17 has moveset wise is the attack from the OP and Fox's shield reflector

>>155974528
>over-examine
any standart anime fan can identify plotholes and lack of production nigga

>>155990230
Time chamber

>>155990466
Piccolo and Gohan are going in there.

>>155985324
The only retarded thing here are the faggots defending this shitty writing.

So why isn't old kai getting everyone into the time chamber and awakening the shit out of them?

>>155984326
power up after power up just ended killing DB

>>155984272
This makes me wonder if 17's powerup is just a preamble for a God Tier Cell story.

>Vegeta was capable of destroying the earth with a single Galick Gun in the Saiyan Saga
>Zamasu and Black combined spend weeks hunting everyone when they could just destroy the earth by tapping a finger

?????????

So is goku acting stupid or is he just putting on a show just for fun?

>>155990320
t. retard

>>155991425
What's the point of killing all filthy ningens if you're not going to savour it?

>>155974153
last couple eps have been top notch quality

>>155990391
it is as popular as OP in Japan if judging by tv ratings

>>155991465
They're too confident, they should've cared more about trunks they knew he was up to something but they kept saying fuck it who cares

>>155983674
this gif has better animation then all super movies

trunks arc would be better if black was the only villain

>>155991627
>super movies
wut

>>155991677
I guess BoG and RF count as Super because they were "remade" in Super.

Who really cares though it's all just "Dragon Ball"

>>155974153
So you would rather Dragon Ball be forgetten? It'd become like Akira. Shut the fuck up scum DB Super is superior to the original dragon ball in many ways, and not inferior in any other than it's not the start of the story.

>>155974153
>Toriyama wants to finish his story.
No shit plebiscite how dare you claim to love him as you shit on him for following his passion.

>Lots of people ranting and bitching across social media and fan sites like kanzenshuu about the powerscalling not making any sense.

I somewhat understand them, but they're still overreacting for a show about space monkeys and alien gods that can blow up galaxies and universes with a single finger.

>>155991816
This is irrelevant. Power scaling being huge bullshit is a thematic element of this story. For fucks say they cast Wish, one of the strongest magics there can be, in the original.

>>155982557
Well it is. Just like Saint Seiya.

>>155991909
Literally goku vs golden freeze pops.

>>155990466
>>155990580
Vegeta destroyed it during the Zamasu arc

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>>155991909
you know the funny thing is that Roshi has techniques he could use to beat Goku that ignore power levels altogether.

>>155992128
I've watched every episode of dragonball and that's bullshit. Mafuba is the only thing that would work and Goku isn't evil.

>>155991542
>its popular in japan
anime must be really fucking garbage now

Android 17 being this strong at least justifies GT Super 17 being so strong.

I know it's not canon, calm down.

>>155992689
The issue is that the same story with super strong 17 had Freeza and Cell who trained for years, but were weaker than Base Goku.

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>>155981012
Reminder that Gohan loses to KRILLIN in an earlier episode. It's time to give up.