Dragon Ball Super

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>>155955992
You're going down Ayy.

See you in the tournament.

>>155955992
he's voiced by Kenshiro's VA

He's voice by Norio Guacamole

>>155956067
Reminder that 18 not training will basically cause Android 17 to job when he tries to utilize their combo tactics and she can't keep up

>18 inherited jobbing from Krillin

>>155956067
>new top 10
>17
>guko
>vegeta
>buu
>gohan
>18
>piccolo
>tien
>krillin
>roshi

This thread doesn't need to exist, the previous one still has yet to reach the bump limit. Stop making new threads early.

17 is the new fujo bait and i'm lapping it all up

>>155956190
Well, the guy who voiced him in the OVA that is

>>155956190
>>155956079
>be mr muscles
>have a squeaky voice
bleach did it and now this. does japan honesty think this is funny?

>>155955998
they don't have an infinite power source
17 took damage from piccolo and was nearly beaten to death by imperfect cell
they can only fire ki attacks infinitely without losing strength, as mentioned in some of the games

>it's okay if we all die
ow the edge

>>155956295
that is literally what I meant with ''infinite power source''
they have zero stamina drain, now imagine training for more than ten years with something like that

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>2017
>17 is back stronger than ever after years out of the story

Coincidence? I don't think so.

>>155956264
I mean, you have examples like that in real life too with Mike Tyson and Brock Lesnar

>>155956264
Doesn't Kenshiro have a manly voice?

>>155955992
>>155956079
>>155956190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__JAkwZl0ys

Yep, sounds like Kenshiro to me

>>155955992
How the hell is 17 all of a sudden strong as Ssblue without anyone with god ki training him.

So basically if Goku didn't get trained by Whis then 17 would be stronger somehow


Also why doesn't he care if his family and animals got erased?

>>155956341
>they have zero stamina drain
but they do, they can get worn out in battle, like 17 did with cell
firing energy attacks just doesn't use any of their ki

>>155956169
Piccolo was stronger than 18. He was matched about evenly with 17 and only gotten stronger since.

>>155956464
>0:36
wtf did someone fuse with a zoroark

>>155956538
it's Dr Raichi, frankly I'm surprised to see him in Heroes

>>155956067
So what's even the point of god ki if any random scrub can match it?

>>155956557
Literally who?

>>155956564
None, god ki is just a different type of ki, it's not necessairly stronger
17, Hit, Toppo, Jiren...
These are all people who can easily get to SSB level without needing god ki

How the fuck is 17 able to take a SSB Kamehameha with such little effort? How are they hyping the androids up to be this strong?

Is SSB just useless? Everyone seems to be able to easily take a kamehameha in this state regardless of power level.

>>155956685
obscure character made for a videogame and then used for a shitty OVA
again, I'm surprised they remembered him for Heroes

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How are you guys hoping DBZ ends?

I hope when Goku and Vegeta are old they take a truck load of senzu beans to the destroyed time line, they ask Zen-Oh to have the grand priest build them a tournament stage there, and then battle it out until they run out of Senzu beans or die, we only get to see the first 2 fights that puts them 1-1.

Thoughts?

>>155956711
Yeah, I know Goku's getting everyone used to God tier threats or whatever, but Blue went from being a big thing to something he breaks out whenever now.

>>155956711
1) 17's shield broke and he probably just dodged the kamehameha
2) in Krillin's case, Goku was holding back and even then Krillin struggled
3) In Toppo's case, he's just really fucking strong so much he's being scouted to become a GoD

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>>155956750
It'll end by Zen-Oh destroying Universe 7 but rebuilding it because he likes Goku, which leads to the GT storyline since they start it before he met Beerus or got SSB.

>>155956783
With Toppo I can understand, but everyone and their mom is either pushing back Goku's SSB kamehameha or tanking it directly. Even the wolf fucker was able to push it back no problem. I'm just not understand if SSB is even worth it anymore considering how almost anyone seems to be able to deal with it almost effortlessly.

There is just something strange about Beerus not taking this tournament seriously. He's just sitting back and eating. There MUST be someone in universe 7 stronger than Goku's group.

>>155956828
I think in Bergamo's case it was more like giving him so much energy he implodes from it

>>155956750
DB Online said Goku and Vegeta ascended into space for one final battle.

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>>155956750
It ends with Vegeta killing Goku. My 2 confirms it.

>>155956687
I'd be fine with that but I feel like it cheapens GoDs and kind of fucks with lower level consistency

Why would Goku refrain from telling people who he wants on his team that "The universe will be destroyed if we don't win"? This would convince likely anyone he needs instead of having this hamfisted drama.

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>>155956888
>>155956888
Not a two but...

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>>155956888
welp that's it, gokufags on suicide watch

>>155956913
it looks like all the GoDs started out as regular mortals anyway

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Where are my 17bros at?

/ourboy/ is back after so long and stronger than ever.

>>155956958
It also looks like they were given great power too, though.

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>WAAAAAAHHHHH MY POWERLEVELS DON'T STACK UP WAAAAAAHHHHHH DAD TURN OFF THE COMPUTER IT MAKES ME MAD WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE SUPER SAIYAN BLUE WAAAAAAHHHHH WHY ISN'T THIS THE SUPER SAIYAN SHOW WAAAAAAAHHHHHH I WANT EBIN GOKU AND VEGETA SHOW WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHY IS HE USING SUCH A TINY FRACTION OF POWER THIS DOESN'T MAKES ANY SENSE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TURN IT OFF NOW DAD WAHHHHH IM GOING TO SHITPOST ON /A/ WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH *shits himself*

>>155956997
Well maybe that's what happens when they are given god ki?
Keep in mind, Goku's god ki might just be a fraction of a GoD's

Is anyone else bugged by the fact that 17 got ridiculously big buffs out of his asshole? Cell was supposed to be the perfect android and he couldn't even beat ssj2. So 17 has not only surpassed perfect cell, but surpassed buu and probably buu saga mystic gohan (who was at his full potential) just... by existing?

What kind of shit is this. And I'm not 100% sure, but didn't they have their cyborg parts removed and are now fully human? Meaning that someone who trains 24/7 like Tien just gets passed by another human? And Krillin, who actually has experience fighting strong as fuck guys, gets jack shit? What?

17 is literally the second strongest in the universe now. He's better than vegeta.

>>155957011
Nobody wants "The Super Sayain show" I think everyone wants actual consistency.

>>155956863
Not as fun as a senzu bean truck load number of battles

>>155956750
Additionally they could do this fight just before their prime ends so they go to otherworld a their prime

>>155956788
please god no. Making story as if it never happened is the worst offense to humanity and a giant waste of my time

>>155957048
Well it's a good thing 17 being as strong as an SSB after training with an infinite energy source is very consinstent

>>155956750
>1-1

Yeah....no. Vegeta has lost. He lost a long time ago.

>>155957085
It's not consistent at all, though. Infinite energy =/= higher strength gains. Just because you have infinite stamina, if you're just as strong as an ant you will still never beat someone who is way stronger than you.

>>155957085
>B-BUT M-MUH POWERLEVELS

>M-MUH CONSISTENCY

>>155956919
it'll fuck with their performance when pressure cracks them. People like krillin and roshi will do everything it takes to win, theres no need to tell them more.

>>155957123
>Just because you have infinite stamina, if you're just as strong as an ant you will still never beat someone who is way stronger than you

nice headcanon

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>>155957085

>>155957081
this is autism anon

Didn't you guys know

17 ASS-PULLING power out of his ass's with a bullshit back story that's already been debunked by his fights with Piccolo and Cell is TECHNIQUE and going back to Dragon Ball's ROOTS

>>155957139
I mean, fuck, they should be fighting as hard as possible. If they lose in the tournament they all get erased anyway, so who cares?

>>155957194
>B-but infinite stamina!!!

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>>155957167
For the people who hate Gohan

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>making non-Saiyans relevant
>making techniques and tacticts relevant
>making power levels irrelevant
>triggering powerlevel z-babbies autists

Why is everything going so right?

>>155957035
This os Super, power levels don't mean jack anymore.

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>>155957194
STOP TOEI RIGHT NOW WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH WHY ARE YOU FUCKING WITH MY POWERLEVEL HEADCANON?? ITS MY SHOW STOP RUINING IT WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

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>that hair color
>scintillating aura
>actually strong unlike furry Goku and furry Vegeta
Was Gogeta a SSG?

>>155957167
so your saying they should jump in front of god level ki blasts with their defense lowered and kill themselves so that strong opponents get DQed from the tourney?

....that's actually a really good plan.

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>Androids without training are stronger than the most powerful race of the universe behind Frieza that trained for their whole llife and achieved legendary transformations
>Somehow people are assblasted Androids WITH training are still stronger than them

This actually makes fucking perfect sense. Fucking retards use your brain

>>155957252
What do you mean! I'm happy that's Dragon Ball's ROOTS are being back, no more ASS-PULLS thank god

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Can't wait to see 17 interacting with his niece.

>>155956750
Pretty good idea to me

>>155957222
>Making tactics relevant
>Krilling not getting pushed off instantly by a punch from someone at Goku's level
>Roshi not getting pushed off instantly by a punch from someone at Krillin's level
Please.

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>>155957035
>>155957048
>>155957123
>>155957167
>>155957220

I love it, the cancer of the fanbase is being exposed and ridiculed
Go wank off your retarded numbers somewhere else, you are a fucking joke

Retards, Dragon ball used to be a gag anime, Just because you want to take it seriously doesn't mean the show should be edgy 100% consistent serious bullshit, kill yourselves

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Man thank god THIS is back, I'm so glad we have technique and wits in our battles again instead of ass-pulls

>>155957223
Well good, fuck powerlevels

>>155957223
I'm not talking about power levels, I'm talking about established dynamics between characters and their story confirmed strength. there are no scouters in this post.

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>yfw based 17 is causing powerlevelfags to have a mental breakdown.

Powerlevels fags BTFO FOREVER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HOW WILL THEY EVER RECOVER

Aren't the androids not androids anymore? They're completely human now, they shouldn't be android tier strength anymore.

>>155957316
Whose wanking numbers here?
>>155957167
>>155957220
These anons clearly aren't, they are poking fun at the powerlevel fags.

>>155957380
As soon as everyone except Goku and Vegeta get ring out and it's once again back to powerlevels.

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>>155957194
>>155957285
>>155957348
>Z-babby losing his mind

I'm lovin' it

>>155957377
>he was designed to destroy goku
>instead hes destroying gokufags

What a time to be alive

"POWER LEVELS ARE BULLSHIT!!"

>>155957222
>>making non-Saiyans relevant
>Implying they are "relevant" and won't be there for the final fight as usual.
You're full of it.

>>155957416
What do you mean? I love the techniques 17 used in his battle against Goku, getting some OG Dragon Ball vibes in here

>>155957393
Where is it stated that humans can't be strong? For all we know humans might have better potential than frieza

>>155957410
Thank god we still have plenty of episodes until the tournament starts, this assblast level is beautiful, i can't even start to imagine how strong Tien is now

>>155957167
>>155957220
>how the Universe Survival Arc would turn out if powerlevelfags had their way.jpg

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who's going to be the multiversal tournament MVP?

>>155957035

Freezer needed 4 months to be on par with SSB.

It's not too farfetched to think that an andriod that was created on earth, that was already stronger than freezer, is now far above super perfect cell and boo level with a decade of training.

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quality

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Leave the training to me

>>155957505
>The nightmare of any powerlevel fag

>>155957481
>Training
WHAT TRAINING. Why does everyone keep saying 17 did training? What training did he do? Being on a nature preserve and effortlessly defeating everyone who came at him?

>>155957517
>>155957167

>all videos with the original version of HERO got nuked off YouTube
Is this hell?

>>155957525
Anon, he has infinite energy, any time he is not defending the island from hunters he trains, and keep that training for 10 years non-stop and he can keep up with a super saiyan blue

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>Kuririn kicks away some dude thousands times stronger than him

>"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA POWER LEVELS BTFO'D HAHA FUCKING BASED JUST LIKE ORIGINAL DB"

How your brains works, guys?

>>155957329
Yeah but the gags aren't even that good, so what's the point?

>>155957581
Then dragon ball, Z, Super and GT are fucking garbage, stop watching them

>With a bit of training anyone can be stronger than a God!
If it's this easy to be so strong why is everyone in Universe 7 such huge pussies?

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I...NEED...LEAKS

>Tfw this episode helps you realize Dragon ball was always fucking gargabe

Fuck nostalgia

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>>155957574
>>155957609
>WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME MY SHOW IS SERIOUS BUSINESS, THESE POWERLEVELS ARE IMPORTANT FAGS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>155956779
Blue is just a form that handles Ki better than SSJ. It's why Goku can go from being overpowered to playing with kiddy gloves.

it's pretty much why he can pull off the kaioken combo that was a sure death with the normal transformations.

>>155957664
Answer the question, anon.

>>155957466
>Next ep Tien stops a fullpower blue/kaioken kamehameha with his left testicle without problems

I'm loving how some useless guys are finally
getting some good power ups, about damn time

>>155957672
I'm not toei fag, keep crying

>Don't kill them Goku!
>Don't hurt the forest Goku!
>Thanks to the wish, I've gotten to live a wonderful life with my wife and children...

>Pssh.... I don't care if we're erased... it's nothin personnel...

What did 17 mean by this?

>>155957664
>I'm a literal retard so I don't undersant the difference between DB's powerlevels and any consistency in power scaling

Pathetic.

>>155956169
I'd say:
Goku and Vegeta
Buu and 17
Gohan
Piccolo
18
Tien, Krillin and Roshii

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>>155957081

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>>155957581
>gags aren't even that good
Screw you man. It makes me laugh!!

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>>155957703
How is he a toeifag if he's bashing the anime and you're defending it?

>>155957717
>I care about power scaling and perfect consistency in my childrens cartoon because i consider them serious business

And you call me pathetic? Fucking embarrasing

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>>155957712
That shit made no sense at all.

Roshi will be the next character to tank SSB Kamehameha.

>I never taught you the true kamehameha so mine is stronger, this is real tactics to beat anyone!

>>155957525

100 Push-ups, 100 Sit-ups, 100 Squats, 10 km run everyday

>>155957746
I am not Toei, Fag, Keep crying.

Better?

>>155957753
What's his expression trying to convey?

>>155957765
so glad OG Dragon Ball is back

>>155957786
Yeah that makes way more sense. Punctuation is key

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>>155957806
Oops, forgot picture.

>>155957765
>>155957820
t. triggered Z-Babbies

I don't know how many times the characters outright stated that in order to win this tournament power isn't the only thing required
At this point just fuck off

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>>155957753
My sides.

>>155957822
Sorry man, I really don't stop to check every shitpost i make, I'll be more careful from now on officer.

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>>155957564
This makes sense at least.

>>155957840
>I don't know how many times the characters outright stated that in order to win this tournament power isn't the only thing required
>You can't fly
>You can't use Weapons
>SUDDENLY POWER ISN'T THE ONLY THING YOU NEED TO WIN LOL

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>>155955992

Why is Toei so great?

>>155957736
Tien was one of the stronger characters of Z though at the end.

He was the only human to put up a challenge to Cell, and he showed up and blasted Buutenk's attack that was supposed to kill Gohan away.

>>155957752
>I care about in-universe logic in a story
Ftfy, fucktard.

>>155957857
Don't be a sensitive little bitch, your original post didn't make sense

So, with 17 being confirmed stronger than SSB base Goku, does this mean that 17 and 18 combo will beat Toppo instead of Goku and Vegeta combo?

>>155957081
What the fuck? Why it was deleted?

>>155957863
>you can't kill
>you can easily be blinded by something like a solar flare and then be pushed off stage no matter how powerful you are

you are a fucking retard, strenght is irrelevant when your main objective is pushing your opponents out of bounds even with the dirtiest trick

>>155957882
I'm not being sensitive fag, i was serious about keeping my shitposts in check.
>>155957880
You didn't fix shit, its the same thing with different words, kill yourself

>>155957887
Nay, 18 has not trained as much as 17 has in the last few years.

>>155957912
So, if Krillin blinded someone at Goku's powerlevel you think he has the strength to punch someone like that out of bounds?

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B A S E D
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>>155957753

>>155957947
No but the other ones in his team will
Teamwork anon

T E A M W O R K

>>155957736
>>155956169
What's really shit is at the end of Z it was

>Gohan
>Goku
>Buu
>Vegeta
>Tien (we actually don't know where he goes since he took on Buu's strongest form before getting sneak attacked)
>Piccolo
>17
>18
>Krillin
>Roshi

I think everyone is entitled to say that they find DBS to be incoherent, to say that powerlevels make no sense, etc. But the constant butthurting and bitching is honestly pathetic at this point. As pathetic as the constant ramblings of those who pretend that everything makes sense, that there are no loopholes and anyone who dares say the contrary is a retard.
What need is there to be such an assholes? Enjoy the show or don't, but there's no need of trying to ruin everyone else's experience the whole time.

>>155957917
>i-it's the same k-kill yourself!
As I said, pathetic. Time to stop shitposting, Pedro.

>>155956502
No you cunt. He was not worn out.
You are confusing being invincible ala buu with energy.

If he took NO DAMAGE in that fight he would be able to fight indefinitely without tiring.
But he was taking damage and even though he had infinite energy he was getting taken apart.

I don't understand how this simple fucking concept eludes you.

>>155956466
Plot.
Period.
Don't try to make sense of it. It's fucking stupid.
NO having infinite stamina would not make it so that he can train forever and not need to fucking rest and recoup.
And NO he can not get exponentially fucking stronger over those years. WHY? Because all of his fucking power comes from his goddamned technology.
He can't fucking train himself to get stronger. He can only be upgraded.
AT BEST he'd be able to train his human parts and gain better use of his infinite ki abilities and learn techniques that only someone with his unique powertype can pull off.
NOPE
HE AM STRONGER CAUSE TRAINAN AND HE ALL OF A SUDDEN IS A WORSE FIGHTER!

Oh and Goku completely fucking forgot about Uub and had to have Dende tell him about him. Even though he told Vegeta about the kid at the beginning of the fucking anime!

>>155957938
>>155957167

>>155957974
I still hate how much this series shafts best dad. Piccollo is so underutilized it's not even funny.

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>>155957912

>>155957965
>that QUALITY rock throw

holy shit is it the gif or was it actually like this in the show?
holy kek

>>155957981
Oh, I enjoy the show. But that's exactly why I complain about it, because I love it.

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>>155957517
Why do you guys not think that instead of him going full power (1,000,000) he might have just gone a bit lower which he couldnt reach while in base form? (like 450,000)

Seriously, stop spamming these images, its time to stop.

>>155957986
It IS the same, and yes, you should kill yourself.

You can keep crying about >B-BUT MUH POWERLEVELS

Is it wrong that I'm just enjoying that DB is still being aired right now and not care about powerlevel?

>>155957980
Okay seriously, do you feel the need to make these shitty comics, or are you just doing it for the (You)s?

>>155957981
>h-how dare people offer counterarguments to my arguments

>Ubuu is canon
FUCK!

>>155957736
Yeah, but Krillin begun training again and Roshii will get a levelup, same as 17 did. To be honest I don't know if there's a gap between any of them, I'd think they are more or less on the same footing, but time will tell.

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>>155958015
Nostalgia blinds many to the truth.

DBZ looked like ass.

>>155958063
It was canon at the end of DBZ too.

>>155958031
No, it is actually the right way to go.
People who care about the powerlevels are being dumb, so what if they are breaking the consistency of things to accommodate some fun in the show?
As I said before, consistency is boring and when it needs to go it needs to go.

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>>155958032

>>155957968
The super solar flare will blind them too.
Not only that, they won't be able to fucking sense the energy of many of the other competitors and some might even be 100% immune to this stupid technique.

>>155958065
Isn't Roshi canon immortal?

Uub confirmed to be stronger than SSB Goku at his current power.

Just think retards, if you kill your opponents in the tournament of power, you lose. You HAVE to lower your power level when you hit them to avoid killing them by accident, that gives the other fighter a slight chance to attack you and damage you, or even worst, have another stronger fighter hit you, It is very important that you idiots FUCKING KNOW ABOUT THIS

>>155958006
can't we all just agree to agree that toriyama doesn't take this shit as seriously as we do and thus is bound to just right shit as he sees fit? in which case we simply judge his decisions based on how it actually benefits the show as a whole? i vote that gohan vs krillin was good because krillin deserves to be relevant again. a lot of characters need to be relevant again, so i'm okay with super pulling its shit

>>155958094
I can't wait for this episode. Roshi will use his super special Kamehameha and destroy Goku with little issue.

>>155958078
>Implying the DBZ end was canon

>>155958031
Clearly so, you have to express your disappointment in MS Paint comics. Here, like this:

>>155957517
>>155957753
>>155957938
>>155957980

>>155956067
This. 17 is stronger than Goku.

>>155958108
BUT MUH POWERLEVELS MUH POWERSCALING MUH CONSISTENCY

>>155958108
>You HAVE to lower your power level when you hit them to avoid killing them by accident
No you don't. Anyone can take a kamehameha, so there's no need to hold back.

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>>155958069

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>>155958094
So are you doing these for just Super, or will you acknowledge the ones for GT and Z too?

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>>155958094
Just wanted to mention that your Kamehameha looks better than the one in the anime.

>people unironically like this crap
Why?

>>155958080
17 being strong isn't even inconsistent by toriyama standard of storytelling though.

People just like to bitch because their misconceptions about PL were wrong as usual.

>>155958025
Dude, he has to fucking go SSJB to fight at a power level that is LOWER then his fucking base form?

He didn't even have to go SSJB against 17. He could have just use SSJ2 or SSJ3. Those are more then enough to fight him.

>>155958142
Yes you HAVE TO, are you assuming anyone can take a kamehameha? i will assume that 17 is more powerful than Super Saiyan Blue Goku then

>>155957741
I sure get a good laugh when Beerus and Whis sperg about food for the 100th time.

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>>155957999
Try being the guy the only one on the list to never stop training, offer yourself as sacrifice multiple times be it by Mafuba or tri-beams saving the day from retarded allies, taking on opponents several times stronger than yourself like Buutenks and Cell when everyone else pussies out, creating more techniques than everyone else, learning the kamehameha after seeing it once and saying "Nah don't need it lol", and being the only person other than Roshi to beat Goku in a tournament only to be completely irrelevant to the Super series.

Seriously, Tien is the only one Toriyama actually left with an excuse to having a god form.

>>155958184
Clearly wrong
Yamcha needs to be in his death pose while firing his new secret technique.

>>155958105
Never die from old age immortal, not never die no matter what immortal.

>>155958189
>i will assume that 17 is more powerful than Super Saiyan Blue Goku then
This has already been proven.

>>155958187
>>155957965

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>>155958184

>>155958115
Toriyama's internal consistency when he came to his own manga and power levels is fucking LEGENDARY.
It is litterally one of the fucking reasons the entire damned thing took off.

Don't fucking throw Toriyama under the bus to defend this clusterfuck of stupid bullshit.

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I cant wait for the Tenshinhan episode, with all the powerlevels being throw out in the window I cant wait to see him push goku to SSB and them shit on him.
Until he for some reason uses Kikoho in a fuckin spar even though that shit wastes life energy and will make you lose years of your life and Toei will completely forget that. But hey, it will most likely wreck Goku.

>>155958105
Doesn't he need to eat that lettuce that Goku and Krilling got for him?
Honestly, if they want to level him up they can do it by simply saying that he loses power when he's some time without eating it, that when he was killed by Piccoro it was because he hadn't eaten it in a while, and that afterwards he decided to stop taking part of the fights because he thought the younger generations should care. And since he got that plant only a few days ago in Super he should be at his peak.

I want powerlevels to not be relevant, but it's already established that powerlevels ARE relevant. They can't just pull this shit out of their ass to make it work like this.

>>155958167
The Kamehamehas have been so weak in the anime, the last good one we had was from the Goku vs Merged Zamasu struggle.

>>155958063
>>155958078
But so was when Bulma said "You only visited me once in the last 10 years, and it was 5 years ago!" to Goku.

Everyone assumed Yo! was what she was talking about since it happened 5 years after.

Then Battle of the Gods, and we assumed the series would take place after Goku flies off with Uub.

But nope.

>>155958184
Hey comicsfag, do one with Jiren the Grayy or femBroly.

No wait, even better. The next episode will have both Gohan and Goku in SSJ form going against Roshi and easily lose to his superior kamehameha while it power struggles against Father/Son Kamehameha.

>>155958198
Who knows. Tien hasn't been recruited yet. Perhaps when Goku goes to meet him he shows that his current power is not to be trifled with.

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>>155958187
Who said he had a power level lower than his base form though? Where are you guys even getting this?
And he already mentioned that SSJ2 and SSJ3 is worthless because it wastes too much energy and he's not going to use it again, its way more practical to go SSB and use it to reach SSJ2 powerlevel than going SSJ2.

Its like you dont pay attention to what you're watching.

>>155958177
It's funny

>>155958162
Jesus GT looks like trash

>>155958152
why is QualityKrillin so tall

>>155958302
>FUCK OFF OF OUR ESTABLISHED SHIT WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT EVEN IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE

>>155956067
Nice to see he's strong, but poorly executed show off. Toei is really fucking up with the SSB thing. They make it look like SSB is a shit-tier transformation. Even though Goku was holding back, they preferred not to show how much he was holding back...

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>>155958266
>Toriyama's internal consistency when he came to his own manga and power levels is fucking LEGENDARY.

>>155958322
Never mind that, look at Gohan.

>>155958313
it's ok anon, now take your medicine and get some rest

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>>155958027
>It IS the same
I guess your previous post was just pic related then?
And (You) call me pathetic? wew kid

Also
>still can't tell the difference between power levels and basic logic
You're an actual underage, I guess.

>>155957994
to be fair though, finding teammates in the tournament of power takes priority in Goku's mind right now.

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>>155957965
Yeah.
The only Z fighters with canon high levels of durability without using ki manipulation are 17 18 and ultimate gohan.

>>155958330
SSB is a shit tier transformation. SSG base is stronger than it apparently. That or beerus was never actually a threat at all.

>>155958327
but here's the thing, it does make sense
you guys however have a completely distorted view of the series

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>>155958274

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>>155958266
well either way he's obviously tired of the bullshit, otherwise he would've told toei to do different.

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>>155958354
>I wasn't

>>155958338
Are you fucking retarded?

>>155958390
Are you?

>>155958363
Goku tanked Bulma's bullets at the start before even knowing what ki was.

>>155958390
No, he isn't you.

Is true that this show is good like One Piece And Naruto Shippuden?

>>155958162
We know GT is shit but based god Satan surviving to everything is nothing but canon

>>155958409
Consistency

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>>155958390
buttmad wetback detected

>>155958409
They were just fake bullets.

>>155958364
In the manga SSB > SSG and is actually a big thing.
It's mainly that toei is treating SSB as SSJ and is having Goku/Vegeta job while in SSB form. At least in the manga they gave excuses for when SSB didn't work (e.g. Vegeta losing to Hit because he was at 1/10th of SSB's full power).

>>155958429
Satan cannot survive Gun, that's also canon.

>>155958266
Toriyama pulled the exact same shit with Gohan and even Goku. Goku went from being a scrub lower than Radditz to Frieza level in less than two years.

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>>155958383
What if Tien tries to pull the same move he did in the tournament and destroy the Arena?
Or at least cave someone into out of grounds by consequently kikoho'ing them.

WOOHOO TACTICS AND TECHNIQUE!!!

EXCITED FOR THE NEXT EPISODE, CAN'T WAIT FOR TIEN TO USE HIS SUPERIOR TECHNIQUE AND TANK A FULK POWERED SSB KAMEHAMEHA

OG DRAGON BALL VIBES

>>155958266
You're not wrong. DB and DBZ were pretty consistent canon-wise (minus the anime making the humans take on Ginyu Force, Yamcha strong enough to fight two people stronger than Cell; hence why I said canon).

There was never a fighter I thought shouldn't be able to take on another fighter. The scaling was accurate.

>>155958354
>blood in Dragon Ball Super

You fucked up.

>>155958460
Guns confirmed strongest in the series.

>>155958481
>>155957167

>>155958460
Satan was never shot by gun. It was just him being humble thinking he would die by one to not make the gun sad.

>>155958327
>Goku testing Krillin with SSB and then a beam-struggle which ends with Krillin losing it but being saved by his wife doesn't make sense
>Goku being knocked out of bounds by Fit Buu in base form with a cheap trick doesn't make sense
>17 being able to take on SSB Goku who wasn't even at full power nor utilitizing kaioken after a decade of non-stop training with an infinite power source doesn't make sense

What exactly qualifies as ''making sense'' to you?
All your issues you have can be explained away in like two seconds

>>155958409
When he had shit ki control and sat at full power 24/7

>>155956564

>random scrub
>infinite ki generator

>>155958285
I don't think you're wrong, they took consistency and threw it out the window. But at the same time, I'm not that bothered by it. I don't know why the anti-power levels crowd are stretching to prove how this makes sense.

17 is more egregious that Krillin, they never insinuated that Krillin was anywhere near Goku or Gohan (they even say it multiple times in the episode). But 17 is definitely meant to be much closer to Goku, which yeah doesn't make sense and also kinda makes all the interest Beerus had in SSG kinda silly if someone just training on Earth by themselves can get anywhere close to it. But this kinda thing already happened with Freeza and Trunks, I don't know why 17 is too hard to believe compared to the others.

But yeah, power levels have been fucked for a while now, but I'm not that worried about it. Super is still good and worth watching to me.

>>155958460
Satan didn't even died for that, he was just holding back!

>>155958468
In the manga, training on King Kai's planet was like training 1000 years on Earth, with 10x gravity.

The Namek Saga is where shit got skewed. Jumping millions of times.

>>155958316
...
They outright state that SSJB just sucks down fucking stamina. What's worse is that if you go SSJB once you have to wait a long time to use it again or the next time you use it you'll have less energy and less time to use it.
THIS SHIT IS FUCKING CANON

SSJ1+2+3 is far more forgiving and useful compared to Blue.

And wasting a form that powerful(apparently, he had to fucking use it to have a fucking beam struggle with krillian for gods sake)on a slap fight with fucking 17 is absolutely fucking stupid. Even worse. Everytime they use that form it becomes less and less impressive and more of an embarassment.


Want to know something else? I would have preferred if the other fucking Z fighters went out ot recruit people. I would fucking prefer 17 and 18 and krillian fighting the poachers.
Why? Because the most interesting shit happened when Goku was "going to show up" and rarely when he was actually there.

>>155958354
>>155957167

>>155955992
>no more blood
>no more powerlevels
>nostalgia pandering
>quality everywhere
>flanderized characters
Why do people like DBS again?

>>155957994
>He can't fucking train himself to get stronger. He can only be upgraded.

but you're fucking wrong

>>155958354
10/10

>>155958519
nigga ki wasn't even around until they gathered the dragon balls the first time and Roshi kamehameha'd some shit, well after Goku got shot.

It was an asspull.

>>155958506
What does this have to do with technique? Get this powerlevel bullshit out of here

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>>155958488
What if

We give Satan

The power of GUN?

>>155958508
Nah you see, Gun got him with his guard down.

>>155958528
Buu had to heal him though

>>155958535
The fact that it isn't 18 there or at least 18 coming with him to see 17 is fucking retarded. If anyone would convince him it'd be her.

>>155958481
>>155958585
Your meltdown in this thread has been glorious so far, please keep at it

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>>155958425
>One Piece And Naruto Shippuden?
>good

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>>155958586
Oh boy, he's gonna job to Piccolo too?

wasnt roshi fused with a witch? he might have hidden potential

>>155958578
This one actually made me laugh.

>android with no training literally stronger than the emperor of the universe
>android with years training can fight someone with god ki even though freeza did the same in like 2 days

totally illogical amirite

>>155958583
It retroactively became a thing when scouters were introduced though.

>>155958611
PLEASE let them have an explanation as to why Roshi is strong like this. I want to laugh my ass off.

>>155958578
Give Roshi a rock, that'll even the playing field

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Super 17 being as strong as he was makes a lot more sense now

>>155958535
>SSJ1+2+3 is far more forgiving and useful compared to Blue.
Goku himself said the opposite though, and that is what is canon, and its also the entire reason why he doesnt go SSB2 or SSB3.

>>155958604
What meltdown? Just enjoying another episode of Dragon Technique Super

OG Dragon Ball Vibes

>>155958625
Until we see the androids fight Freiza I'm just starting to believe the whole "Stronger than the strongest being in the universe" is just some hyped up shit.

>>155958591
>Buu had to heal him though
Come on he was just pretending...

>people complaining about 17 being really strong when it was already confirmed that ayy lmao is somehow stronger than god ki from earlier episodes
no one bats an eye at that

>>155958625
Both are dumb as fuck.

Golden Frieza was a mistake, I call bullshit that he never trained before.

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>>155958591
TOO FAR

THIS IS WHY NINGEN MUST BE DESTROYED

>>155958611
That's elder Kai. Roshi's sister is Baba who is a witch.

>>155958409
There are levels of invulnerability. And Saiyajins and warrior Namekians have slightly higher base durability compared to humans.

They can tank bullets with ease without even considering using any ki, but that shit still hurts.

Frieza? He's barely able to use ki for anything other then blowing shit up or making clumsy copies of the destructo disc.

He has base durability that's high enough to tank punches and energy blasts that can punch holes through mountains and worlds no sweat.

Martial arts in DB are about manipulating ki in a way that makes you faster stronger and able to tank fairly powerful fucking attacks with ease. Hell the entire damned saiyajin saga was about goku learning better techniques that let him get better at just that.

I reiterate.
The only Z fighters with high base durability no ki manipulation tricks are 17, 18, and Ultimate Gohan.

>>155958658
Super 17 should have WIPED the floor with any level Goku at that point, though. If years 17 is stronger than SSB, then TWO years trained 17 have to be Zen-Oh tier.

>>155956564
>random scrub
18 and 17 have infinite potential. The only limit is how much they train.

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>>155958658
So who's the strongest Super 17?

>>155958691
Different universe could work at different rules. It's not hard to believe a completely new unestablished character can reach the same level as Goku. But it is harder to believe an already established character can suddenly be as strong as him.

>>155958364
No manga confirmed ssb is stronger. Also you guys are morons to think Goku wasn't holding back.

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>>155958535
>What's worse is that if you go SSJB once you have to wait a long time to use it again or the next time you use it you'll have less energy and less time to use it.
Aren't you confusing it with Kaioken? I'd like a source on that.
Because he sure has been following that rule these pasts episodes by using it almost everytime in the same day.

>>155958691
it's ok when other universes do it
somehow it only ''doesn't make sense'' when someone from U7 does it

>>155957416
Same.

For me, I'm just so happy to see people getting stronger without being a saiyan

>>155958468
Yes, but it was all explained and doing those things were made out to be A BIG FUCKING DEAL. Here it's just OH YOU'RE STRONGER JUST BECAUSE YOU TRAINED FOR AN AFTERNOON OR ON A NATURE PRESERVE! NOW GOKU NEEDS TO GO SSJB TO TAKE IT EASY ON YOU!!!

Remember that "Android" 17 is not a "cyborg" either.
He is literally a genetically modified human.

>>155958712
One wasn't "years trained" though

One was stuck in hell, right? I thought people in hell couldn't increase their strength

>>155956369
Hmmmm.....really works my almonds.

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>>155958481
>>155958578

>>155958751
>Because he sure has been following that rule these pasts episodes by using it almost everytime in the same day.
Clearly this is why Goku keeps getting "matched" in power by others.

>>155958791
They might as well make a whole new series then. Because doing it in a series that already had tons of powerlevel bullshit and then quickly throwing it out the window for "fun" is not a good thing.

>>155958751
It's because he's confusing Toyo's canon with Toi's canon

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>>155957222
S U B A R A S H I

>>155958674
the funny thing about your strawman is that you keep failing to realize what people actually mean with techniques and tactics
go watch Gohan vs Krillin, Gohan is clearly stronger but he got pushed out of bounds after being outsmarted
that's the whole point of the tournament, being super powerful doesn't save you from being tricked, outsmarted and then thrown out of bounds which equals to elimination
but no, keep crying like a bitch over this kek

>>155958685
He was bleeding

>>155958696
It's too late you can't stop him now

>>155958776
Except he's a cyborg. Shut up you ignorant

>>155958791
>Toyotaro is the one doing the autistic screeching

fucking kek anon, perfect

how is db super doing? is this likely the final arc?

>>155958829
>Krillin can beat a severely underpowered Gohan
>This means he's ready for the tournament and it shows perfectly well that tactics can overcome strength
How do you explain the kamehameha power struggle?

>>155958829
gohan should have been able to KO krillin without krillin even seeing him.

>>155958791
>Toriyama and Toei agree
>Toei wanting fun, not money
>also implying power levels didn't disappear in Android arc and Toei is only ridding off consistency itself
1/10 at least made me reply

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>>155957994
Unless your name is gero, you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

Nothing about the androids ever made sense, so why start now?
>one guy turns two ordinary teenage humans with a power level of 1 into beings stronger than Frieza, the fourth strongest person in the universe until Goku went super saiyan

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>>155958658

Don't worry boys, just wait for /ourguy/ Toyotaro to fix this
>17 is immediately knocked out by SSG Goku
>later at the campfire he looks distressed at how powerful Goku has become and how his powerlevel will never reach SSG
>Goku tells to him ''wow you sure looked like damage, emotional damage''

>>155957048
If there were consistency everyone would still be in the sub 100,000 range and the Saiyans wouldn't have gotten free 100x power boosts on Namek. And the humans wouldn't have climbed into the thousands by training with Kami for a year when 3 years got Goku to the 300 range.

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DON'T FORGET IT

>>155958871
They're purposely leaving out universes just to stretch things out.

>>155956750
With Broly being the FV of the franchise.

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>>155958833
>He was bleeding
He's a total macho, he loves that

>>155958922
Kek

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Want to know what games 17 was in? Check out this thread at /vr/
>>>/vr/3895230

holy shit powerlevelfags are this mad

If power levels are irrelevant can we have an exploration arc next? Preferably with no Goku?

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>>155958829
>that's the whole point of the tournament, being super powerful doesn't save you from being tricked, outsmarted and then thrown out of bounds which equals to elimination
It actually does though, after a certain point all ki blasts and hits from someone weaker than you wont even move you an inch.
But super is just ignoring that.

>>155958922
>NOOOO THIS CAN'T BE IM SUPER SEVENTEEEEEEN
>Looks like somebody
>Got beat like a rug

>>155957393
They're cyborgs, same as they were before. Shenron couldn't fix that.

>>155958515
>>Goku testing Krillin with SSB and then a beam-struggle which ends with Krillin losing it but being saved by his wife doesn't make sense

Goku even going into SSJB to have a fucking beam struggle is fundamentally retarded to anyone who's ever watched DBZ or even DB.
Him powered up fully in base form is more then eough.

>>Goku being knocked out of bounds by Fit Buu in base form with a cheap trick doesn't make sense
You act as if Buu changing his shape means anything. It doesn't. He's a shape changer.
He's not stronger, he just changed shape because he thought he should not be fat and should look like the other fighters.

>>17 being able to take on SSB Goku who wasn't even at full power nor utilitizing kaioken after a decade of non-stop training with an infinite power source doesn't make sense
Goku even using fucking SSB is deeply retarded. He could have held his own against and even dominated 17 with full power SSJ1 or a half powered SSJ2.

>>155957868
Because they trigger powerlevels fags who love goku and Vegeta's show.

>>155958829
yeah Krillin will be able to eliminate someone much more stronger than him due to "technique" I get it

OG Dragon Ball vibes

>>155956973
He's going to get anally raped by the ayylien. Digits confirm.

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>>155958922
Thanks for that dank energy, past me.

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>toei fights makes no sense as usual
>toeishills: LMAO JUST LIKE ORIGINAL DB FUCKING POWERLEVELFAGS

>>155957481
Vegeta got there in six months of waxing floors for Whis. Goku stretched the rubber band and now it's enabling everyone to catch up.

>>155958872
>>155958880
>>155958961
Ok listen here autists, if the goal of the tournament is pushing your opponents out of bounds then only strenght won't save you since anyone can use the cheapest trick to make you fall off the stage before you can do anything about it. I have no clue why weeks later you still can't get this through your thick skulls.
The beam struggle made Goku realize that teamwork is what truly matters when 18 jumped in, that's the whole point of that scene

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>>155958922
More.

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>You're at your local park having a nice picnic when suddenly this mandroid ask you to leave.

What do?

So, like, I started watching in the past 30 episodes because I heard up until Goku fighting Hit was trash. Now I'm up to speed, but I'd remember hearing about Goku mentioning Uub back in episode 30 or some shit.

So now I'm wondering, how the fuck did Goku forget Uub, suddenly have a flashback, and go 'holy shit Uub reincarnated' when Goku literally fucking talked about him.

Also, does this confirm that GT, despite how fucking cucktier it is, exists? Doesn't that mean Super 17 exists, and thus familyman goes fucking evil anyway, tries to wipe everyone out, and is canonically able to fucking dumpster pretty much any God of Destruction by that point?

What the fuck happened

>>155959041
>can use the cheapest trick
The cheapest trick would be using weapons, which are banned.

>>155957609
Goku got strong enough to take on the Emperor of the Universe in a WEEK.

>>155957765
>Roshi uses the Mafuba to throw Goku's Kamehameha back at him
My sides would be in orbit

>>155959005
>no counter-argument

and yes, Krillin can be able to do that, anyone in the tournament can
triggered?

>>155958558
What you are saying is that someone going to the gym to make their super powered ironman armor more powerful makes perfect fucking sense.

>>155959041
YOU NEED STRENGTH TO GET THE OPPONENT OUT AFTER THE TRICK FUCKING RETARD

KRILLIN DOES SOLAR FLARE GREAT, NOW WITH EVERYONE BLINDED INCLUDING HIS TEAM, HOW WILL HE ELIMINATE SOMEONE MUCH STRONGER THAN HIM???

TECHNIQUEFAGS NEED TO BE HUNG

>>155959041
>The beam struggle made Goku realize that teamwork is what truly matters when 18 jumped in, that's the whole point of that scene
Which should have not occurred in the first place. There should have been no struggle at all and Goku should not have learned any lesson from that. If it was explained better it'd be acceptable, but it's literally retarded how they're trying to explain and set this shit up.

>>155959060
Take the birds hostage.

>>155959041
>knock weak guy with epic trick out before he sees you
>pick him up and throw him off
??

By the way, couldn't it be that 17 could keep up with SSB because Goku cannot power up fully? He went to the mini-tournament, fought against Bergamo, then fought against Toppo, then back to Earth, then he fought against Krillin, then against Buu... he has been flying all along the world, has barely rested and who knows how long it's been since he ate. I don't think he would be able to fight at his 100% at this point. I guess he'll get some rest before the tournament once he finished recruiting the 10.

>>155959084
Muh sayains.

>>155959090
why are we arguing when I agree? I love tactics and technique, OG Dragon Ball vibes

>>155959060
Use my kick-ass technique and defeat him

>>155959041
And the whole point people are making is saying thats bullshit because if you're strong enough then tricks straight up stop mattering.
Technique is something two people of about the same level use on each other, not what an ant uses to try to kill a T-rex, thats just impossible.

I'm sure the page with Krillin hitting cell and him not buding was already posted somewhere in this thread.

>>155959077
>weapons are banned
Future Trunks BTFO

>>155957481

>Freezer

Hi Pedro!