A talented but zero common sense literal autist won over the

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>>155520840
>Is the message of this series is that having talent but putting in no work > putting in effort and doing your best?
Yes, that's why I liked it - it is representative of reality.

Aoyama a best though. Great character.

>>155520840
>Is the message of this series is that having talent but putting in no work > putting in effort and doing your best?
But Mashiro puts a lot of work? Whole her life? To the point of being non-functional?

>>155520840
the message of this show is that worst girl always loses

>>155520840
>Is the message of this series is that having talent but putting in no work > putting in effort and doing your best?
Yes. If you do your best but still end up doing bad, you'd better do something else.

>>155520840
Protag-kun does deserve neither of them. Such a faggot.

>>155521028
>Such a faggot.
What made Sorata so much worse than your average protagonist in this genre? He seemed more like a hapless idiot than anything else to me, yet /a/ seems to hate him with a passion any time this show is mentioned.

>>155521025
If you put in all the effort it will amount to something. It is not wasted

>>155521004
That's not Misaki.

>>155521096
>If you put in all the effort it will amount to something
That's pretty naive.

>>155521096
That's nice dear, but it's not how the world works.

>>155521096
In your fairy tale world maybe.

>>155521122
If you put in actual effort instead of thoughtless, half-assed "effort" then you'll at least get something in return, even if it wasn't exactly what you hoped.

>>155520840
why do people watch shitty romances when they know who will win in episode 1?

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>>155521165
>mfw
Something tells me that you've either been exceptionally lucky in life or you have limited life experience. I'm leaning towards the latter.

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>>155520840
Autist >>> Aoyama
I hate characters that are just there to make you feel bad about them losing. If this show had a better MC and cut out all the bullshit besides Mashiro it would have been good.

>>155520840
>What the fuck? Is the message of this series is that having talent but putting in no work > putting in effort and doing your best?
This is what nips believe. Believing in success as a result of talent is an oversimplified self-defensive idea.
It's understandable why nips believing in that if you look closely at their society.

>>155521239
Not my fault you don't put any real effort into anything in your life.

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>>155521284
Whatever you say, anon. Ignorance is bliss after all.

>>155521273
>I hate characters that are just there to make you feel bad about them losing
You're not obliged to feel bad for them - that's up to you.

>>155521280
Just because you work hard at something doesn't mean you are guaranteed success though. That's an incredibly entitled view.

>>155521165
>>155521284
>you'll at least get something in return, even if it wasn't exactly what you hoped.
You'll get an experience in return. An experience of fucking up and wasting your time. Rationalizing that it was still a good idea is human nature, we are faulty at admitting our wrongs.

>Not my fault you don't put any real effort into anything in your life.
I'll speak for my case. I barely ever studied and aced exams simply by listening to lectures and being smart. I got to my STEM MSc. by being good at crunching numbers.
I've seen people study all night. I tutored some, even. They've invested great effort and yet, they had bad grades or failed

I can't really remember what happened at the end of the series, but I'm pretty sure they all moved past not managing to instantly find success before they'd even left education, right?

Just going to say as a Korean, I am highly offended with that Psy doujin.

It's a disgrace and it's not how we gooks actually are.

>>155521085
He didn't pick best girl aka Aoyama.

>>155521461
>You'll get an experience in return. An experience of fucking up and wasting your time
I disagree with the anon you were replying to too, but I think you're being a bit too cynical here. Sometimes experience can be very valuable. But you often waste a lot of time and money acquiring it. I suppose your assessment of its worth depends how valuable that experience proves to be in the future.

>>155521497
This is true. And he did sperg the fuck out in the last few episodes.

>>155521392
>Just because you work hard at something doesn't mean you are guaranteed success though. That's an incredibly entitled view.
You aren't guaranteed with what you expected, but it amounts to SOMETHING if you put your ass into it and serioius about whatever you are workings towards.

>>155521468
>I can't really remember what happened at the end of the series
You're better off. Everything after the Christmas episode is a trainwreck.

>>155521550
>but it amounts to SOMETHING if you put your ass into it and serioius about whatever you are workings towards.
I've seen people put their life and soul into college courses they are not suited to and get nowhere. In some cases doing so actually had a long term negative impact on their mental health, so not even the experience they gained was worth while.

>>155520840
Isn't that just reality itself? There's always someone out there who can input less effort to create a better result. Nanami and Sorata just had the misfortune of having that someone around them every day - like a big shitty reminder.

>>155521606
>they are not suited to and get nowhere
I guess I agree with this but people shouldn't work towards something they aren't suited for in the first place.

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Are you guys talents and/or hard working?

>>155521659
>Nanami and Sorata just had the misfortune of having that someone around them every day - like a big shitty reminder.
I'd go out of my mind if had to be around somebody that superior to me every day.

>>155521690
>but people shouldn't work towards something they aren't suited for in the first place.
True, but this is often something you can't know beforehand and only learn when it is too late. In the context of third level education, I consider this to be one of the biggest failures of the modern education system.

>>155520840
I don't think it's supposed to have a message. But if you want to see one, it's not about effort and success in general, because the show is very shallow when it comes to this. It's rather that no matter how much efforts you put into being a nice and hardworking girl, it's no guarantee your crush will reciprocate your feelings, which is sensible.

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>>155521706
Neither. Used to be both to a certain degree, but that was a long time ago.

>>155521706
Hard worker here. I'm not the best worker around my job or the least bit taented but I try to make up for it by putting in effort and always giving 110% at everything, and it shows; I leave pretty good impression at work

>>155521659
I would pick Aoyama if I was MC. Work to support each other and come home greeted by a loving wife instead of being around an autist everyday while constantly taking care of her

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>>155521706
I have my close friend's dream job. I only applied to it because he was going on about how awesome it is, I didn't have much of an interest beforehand. He failed his application whereas I didn't.

I bet he's feeling despair

>>155521824
Jesus, I hope you guys have a strong friendship because that could have a serious negative effect such a relationship.

>>155521706
Just a lazy fag, working hard sometimes doesn't pay off.

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>>155521863
We've been friends for a long time and I can tell he feels shit and really unhappy. He's admitted that he's jealous in the "haha I'm jelly bro" kind of way.

I can't imagine this will break our friendship, though I'm feeling things shouldn't have worked out this way

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>>155521824
If my anime knowledge is right, your friend will disappear from your life for a while and then show up unexpectedly as your arch nemesis in whatever field in opposite of your job.

>>155521706
Pure talent here.
Wish I could be both, but being talented fucked up any form of hard-work potential.
Well at least being talented makes my life pretty comfy.

>>155521824
People like you are the worst.

But I'm happy for you for having a job.

>>155521706
Sadly, "talent". The only thing I ever "worked hard" for was to learn english. Now I'm in one of my country's most "elite" prep schools (kinda hard to translate into english since it has no equivalent in either the US or the UK). This course has a reputation for making you work like a dog, and I'm ahead of 2/3rds of my class by just reading my notes the night before the exam. Thing with talent is, unless you're a one in a million type genius, you'll just be a little better than most people but you won't be the best in your field. You actually have to work to get to that point, because all of those are people with talent who also work their asses off.
I keep taking on more and more difficult tasks to finally get to my "breaking point", where I will have to work, but instead it always takes me like 3 months to get on the "average level" of my studies and then the progress stops. Thing is, without hard work you won't ever get to do anything interesting.
/blogshit
>>155520840
Yeah this is nip mentality at its finest, but it can be true in the music scene, where many, many people work themselves almost to death just to get steamrolled by some dickwad genius, though the dickwad genius usually works hard as well.

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>>155522027
Fucking hell that would be unbelievable. He'd be pretty happy about it

>>155522159
I didn't really think about the consequences if something like this happened, until his application(s) got dropped and mine didn't. Things got pretty awkward

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>tfw shit at everything I've ever tried
>couldn't even relate to Aoyama
It must be nice to have talent. At least that gives you an obvious direction to pursue in life.

>>155520840
I hope you didn't missed that Mashiro also put a lot of effort into her works, leading to her autistic behavior.

But yes,
Talent + Hard Work > Hard Work

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>>155521706
I hate people with talent, why even bother working hard at something if somebody can make it better than you withouth effor.

>>155521706
Talent. It's shit, I hate being a lazy prick. I'm not a genius or anything either, just smart enough to not have to do any real work for the most part. I really feel for people that don't have talent but put in hard work and get nowhere, because it shouldn't be the way it is.

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>>155522259
Why are you on /a/ you normie

guys can you achieve talent by working hard?

i want to make nanami a single mother

This is probably the worst show I've seen in a while.

Please tell me it sold like shit.

>>155522374
>I hate people with talent
Me too, even though I know it's incredibly petty of me. But I just feel like what's the point in putting in effort if you're just gonna get shat on somebody who is effortlessly better than you?

Kinda annoyed by all the anons here who are complaining about "just" being talented.

>>155522463
No, you just gain experience and become more skilled. Talent is natural.

>>155522463
You can close the gap but your maximum potential will never reach the same height.

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>>155522445
If it makes you feel better, I'm still a kissless virgin at 24 years of age

How about the new LN the author has written? The manga adaptation of that is pretty fun

>>155522445
Some of us have been here for a while. We started out as listless high schoolers or college students and have stuck around long enough to necessitate getting a job. Some have even caved and gotten in 3D relationships. It happens.

But don't worry, some of us even with careers are mere months away from becoming wizards.

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>>155522613
>Some have even caved and gotten in 3D relationships
Don't act like that wasn't an active decision. Those people made their choice.

>>155522445
Nothing wrong with having a job. Got to make some money to support our shameless hobbies.

Now marriage on the other hand, is something I will never do.

>>155522259
Are you Phoenix or Edgeworth?

This thread is depressing holy fuck

>>155522673
Yes. They did.

My point was that 4chan and /a/ has been around for like 13 years now. People who fit the 4chan weeb zeitgeist in 2007 may not in 2017, but they still come here. Deal with it.

>>155522823
>Deal with it.
I wasn't the one complaining about anons having jobs - I'm a few years into my career myself. I fucking hate working, but that's beside the point.

The 3D relationships are unforgivable though.

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>>155522752
I'm more surprised at the amount of "talents."

I thought I was on 4chan.

>>155521706
When I have to do something alone, I'm the laziest person around. When I have to do something for/with someone else I always try as hard as I possibly can to the point where it's unhealthy.

>>155520840
>>155521004
>>155521372
>>155521752
>>155522319
Putting hard work vs. talent aside, Nanami is fucking beautiful. MC truly has shit taste.

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>>155523180
To this day, despite having a very lukewarm opinion of the show, she remains one of my favourite anime girls.

>>155522731
Edgey, though still a trainee

>>155522921
Sure, you say that now. I probably did at your age too.

But give it a few years. Week after week, month after month. The same office. The same desk. The same small apartment. The same shitty anime and games coming out every season. Soon you'll start to think it'd be nice if that rather homely girl with the shapely legs on the other side of the office would step on your face with her heels and pantyhosed feet. But you don't say anything, because you think she's married or something, plus HR just gave a big presentation about respect in the first place.

Hypothetically, of course.

>>155522936
they never specified in what field they are talented in. Could be wanking of all things

>>155523350
The day when we can literally interact with our waifu is the day I completely give up on 3DPD.

>>155522578
Only a year behind you. Not long before we get our magic powers, brother.

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>>155523408
>tfw you wake up on the day of your 30th birthday and you can feel the magic coursing through your veins

Retarded blonde or tsudenre always wins, you should've known by now

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>>155523506
Aoyama was sorta tsundere though.

>>155523365
Either lying or something easy like sports medicine.

>>155523282
prosecutors are meant to be good talkers. Go talk yourself into a waifu

>>155523537
she was sorta meh. Though granted, way better than genki bimbo and burger girl (or was she italian...?)

>>155523537
When there are both of them, retarded blonde will win. Look at nisekoi, retarded blonde + tsundere had no chance to lose

>>155523604
>burger girl (or was she italian...?)
Can't even remember who you are referring to.

>>155520840
Aoyama is fucking boring, fuck her.

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>>155523467
>20 - NEET
>30 - Wizard
>40 - Sorcerer
>50 - Warlock
>60 - Sage
>70 - Grand Sage
Has anyone ever made it to the next level?

>>155520840
Yeah, that's largely why I stopped watching anime.
It's about pandering to otaku. Who want to live wish fulfillment
They're all lazy schmucks who has no drive to better themselves.
But they watch anime where MC is also a lazy schmuck, but coveniently has girls fall in love with him for literally no reason.
This is the otaku's fantasy they want.
They don't want a MC who works hard to accomplish his goals

>>155520840
Aoyama a best girl.
Mashiro a shit.

Behead all who claim otherwise.

Also, this show was shit and you shouldn't start threads about it.

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>>155521824
Damn dude I can feel your friend's anguish from here

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>>155523691
had to look it up, her name was Rita Ainsworth and she was a brit apparently.

she was the one who fell for the autistic reverse trap

>>155523765
was meant for >>155523650

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>>155523691
>fuck her.
If only.

>>155523721
>But they watch anime where MC is also a lazy schmuck, but coveniently has girls fall in love with him for literally no reason.
>This is the otaku's fantasy they want.
As long as it remains a fantasy, I don't see the problem. You'd have to be extraordinarily thick to believe that real life romance works like that.

But hey, it's their own fault for pursuing 3D if they do.

>>155523721
>Who want to live wish fulfillment
That's pretty much all stories aimed towards anyone under the age of 18, and arguably for anyone older. Everyone wants to read/watch things they couldn't normally have/do in their real lives. I personally like stories with a bit of balance between the two, of wish fulfillment and what really would happen.

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>>155521706
Talent but lazy as fuck. I still manage to get shit done somehow.

>>155521824
What was the job?

If only there was an alternate ending where Nanami wins instead.

I would forgive the author then.

>>155523876
Police prosecutor

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You know, have you ever wondered how many people who are "talented" at something exist but their talent will never flourish and develop because they never discover what their "talent" is? Do you ever think about how many people who could possibly be good at a certain field but will never be able to know because they don't have the means or the resources to even attempt to try that something?

>>155523835
The difference is other people want to better themselves and likes a MC who reflects that

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I've always had a soft spot for bakas. Their minds are simple, but their intentions are pure.

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>>155523765
Jesus, I barely remember her being in the show at all.

>>155523960
>You know, have you ever wondered how many people who are "talented" at something exist but their talent will never flourish and develop because they never discover what their "talent" is?
That's actually something that's on my mind a lot, but mainly because I've yet to find something I have a natural aptitude for.

>>155523960
literally every 3rd world country ever

>>155522374
>>155522499
Cry more you objectively inferior faggots.

>>155524026
Makes me feel guilty for being born in the first world yet being a waste of space.

>>155523960
Still not worth doing if you don't enjoy it though.

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>>155524057

>>155521824
Wow literally fuck you

>>155521824
Good on you anon. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being better than others.

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>>155521824
Its almost like NTR in a way. But instead of a girl, its his hopes and dreams

>>155523720
Dead?

>>155524057
You know what we'll be equal when you're dead

>>155523960
Don't remind me.

>>155521824
>>155524248
>Job NTR
I hadn't heard of this one until now.

>>155524322
Objectively untrue.

>He'll die and tons of people will go to his funeral and grieve for him and he'll also have a fancy tomb on a fancy cemetery
>Meanwhile you will die in a ditch forgotten by everyone

Not even death is equal. Stop lying to yourself to make yourself feel better.

>>155522374
I don't hate people who are talented; people are better than me life fucking sucks. But I absolutely hate fucking assholes who brag about their fucking talent like it's a damn problem or some shit. Literally fuck them in the ass and I hope they lose their potential

guys, is this /r9k/: The Thread?

>>155524366
So what? We're both dead and a fancy funeral won't change that

>>155523735
As much as I hated Aoyama losing, I would rewatch this anime many times. I thought it was pretty good for a romcom.

>>155524478
Still not an equal death faggot

>>155523575
History here, I've literally never had to study for a test even now that I'm in high level university courses, but I have such a crippling lack of motivation that I'll never get my degree, I've failed the college writing 110 (the baseline language arts course required for everything) 3 times and every class outside of humanities is a similar story.

>>155521954
You're a fuckin asshole you know that right

>>155523720
My grandfather's brother is 85 and tried to pay one of the nursing home attendants to give him his first kiss last month.

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>>155524504
History is piss easy to major in.

Try something like political science ;_;

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>>155520840
>hard working
Shiina worked harder than anyone. She only hd drawing on her mind.
Lmaoyama was just a mediocre girl that didn't work hard enough.
This "lmaoyama is the hard working girl" meme needs to stop.

>>155524504
>History
Ahahahaaha
Do you also have a major in women studies too?

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>>155524572
>Poli sci

>>155524572
>political science
>difficult

Sarcasm? I study politics too anon. All its done is allowed me to coast on what little talent I have left and essentially cripple what remaining drive to work hard I have left. I started learning Chinese just as a challenge and now its destroying me because there's no way to get by learning it without talent and hand work, which I have neither of when it comes to languages ;_;

>>155524572
I'm probably just going to drop out, I'm two years into my degree and only have two semesters worth of classes I got a C or higher in.

>>155524537
What was he supposed to do, turn the job down?

>>155520840
sorry for break your dreams but hard work+talent >>> hard work

>>155524616
No, I haven't even chose my major two years in, that's how much of a fuck up I am. I was stating that I have a natural apptude for history courses.

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>>155521824
He must be a really good friend if he sticks with you after that.

>>155524501
Except you are. What happens to your body after you die may not be equal to what happens to the bodies of others, but everybody is still equal in death.

>>155524480
>I would rewatch this anime many times. I thought it was pretty good for a romcom.
Even though everything after the Xmas episode was borderline unwatchable?

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>>155521824
>your crush's body was okay, I guess

>>155523721
Then why are you here?

>>155524601
>This "lmaoyama is the hard working girl" meme needs to stop.
She almost did nothing but work. What more do you want from her?

>>155524787
Death.

>>155524787
She worked in part-time jobs instead of voice acting.

>>155524809
That's because her parents cut her off. If was that or starve.

>>155524852
She could have whore herself out.

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>>155521706
> Never had to try at school
> Even at work, my output is better that 80% of the employees while giving at most 20% effort
> Get tired of being bossed around by idiots and all the political nonsense
> Quit and try my own thing
> Fail because I actually don't know how to work hard

I'm just a talented NEET I guess.

>>155520840
I agree completely OP

>>155524852
Yes. That sucks. And maybe that's why she couldn't work as hard as Shiina. But that doesn't make Aoyama the hard working girl, that only makes her a girl with a dream and bad luck.

>>155520840
>What the fuck? Is the message of this series is that having talent but putting in no work > putting in effort and doing your best?
I thought the MC just liked her better.

>>155524890
YURIKA FAITO

>>155524501
Von Neumann was perhaps the smartest man who ever lived. But he was just as afraid of death as a lowly slave. Even if he's remembered and that slave isn't, they're now equal in intelligence, that thing von Neumann prided himself on

>>155524871
Apparently that can be damaging to a VA's career.

>>155524927
>But that doesn't make Aoyama the hard working girl
So you're saying that to be considered hard working it means you have to spend every waking hour working on the goal you wish to pursue even if that means going without food, accommodation, or even the professional training required to pursue your goal?

>>155524659
Yes. Friendship is more important

>>155524991
You can't damage a career you don't have...

>>155521273
lol, if they had just focused on mashiro it would've been boring as fuck because mashiro is a shallow, one dimensional character who's personality consists of "I'm autistic and that's supposed to be cute, also I have a thing for the protagonist."

>>155525014
But if she were to succeed in the future, her past as a whore could come back to haunt her. Or prevent her success in the first place.

Good thread.

>>155525049
She's never going to succeed as a VA.

>>155525087
Not even as a hentai VA?

>>155524991
>to be considered hard working it means you have to spend every waking hour working on the goal you wish to pursue even if that means going without food, accommodation, or even the professional training required to pursue your goal?
Yes minus the professional training, she can go to VA school. Everything else needs to be her working on her VA skills. That's how hard working works and that's how a literal nobody can pursue his/her dreams.

>>155525125
Maybe with casting couch-sama's help.

>>155525128
So, to succeed you need to be wealthy enough to support yourself without a job?

That seems a bit restrictive and unrepresentative of reality.

>>155524647
Just graduate and be one of those bumbling bureaucrats. Sounds really chill and lazy

>>155522499
>what's the point in putting in effort if you're just gonna get shat on somebody who is effortlessly better than you?
To shit on those who lack the talent AND refuse to put any effort.

>>155524633
>>155524647
Maybe politics isn't for me then.

>>155525323
Would rather become a NEET than a politician or bureaucrats desu desu

>>155525536
What are you finding difficult anon?

>>155524786
It's a habit of clicking on /a/ when getting onto 4chan because it's the first board.
Sometimes I'll read a couple of ops before going onto what ever board I originally intended to

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>>155525574
The basics and the philosophical aspects (like Morgenthau's international realism theories) are manageable.
The methodology part (like game theory and shit), no matter how much I study I cannot understand any of it holy shit. And you have to apply that shit to the higher level courses.

>>155525536
You should really try to do law, pretty sure it's the most common degree in the civil service and politics

>>155525323
>>155525574
Becoming a politician is mostly luck anyway. Not even talent can get you so far.

>>155521824
This is the point at which he'll begin to spiral out of control and descend into the depths of despair.

Remember it anon

>>155525713
It's common, but it's not piss easy.

That and law school.

>>155524559
that's some advanced level shit

>>155525708
Okay so you have all the IR theories like liberalism, realism, social constructivism down then I take it? Good start What's the issue with game theory?

>>155525731
There's that and having to constantly compromise to realistically achieve anything, which would be find if that didn't include compromsing personal principles

>>155525731
Bureaucrats are the unelected career civil servants, not politicians. These guys do Law, PolSci and arts shit like International Relations

>>155525822
Yeah IR theories I have down. I just lack talent when it comes to math/number related stuff. I don't know anything related to methodology it won't go into my brain but this is getting too bloggy

I heard in the LN they fucked is this true?

>>155524927
Aoyama had really bad luck looking back.

Makes you really feel sorry for her while hating Mashiro. Aoyama literally did nothing wrong.

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>>155525002
>Hey bro, I got an acceptance letter for that job you always wanted, but I only applied to it for fun so I just turned them down, lol.

Yeah man, that would have definitely worked out better.

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>>155521824
>Friend applied for the same job as me because I'd been talking about how easy the interview process was
>He fucks up at every stage, haven't heard from them since
>I got an offer from them a few days ago

I haven't told him yet.

In threads like this, I love how everyone acts like your talent is fucking fixed or something, while potential can be pretty damn volatile. What if Mashiro's hand broke so that she's never able to intricately draw again? Even if you're able to pass your class with ease, what if someone decides to slam a concrete slab on your head, then you're not so smart now, huh buddy? That's why I hate people who act like they're so superior when it can literally only take a lead pipe to bring you down to the level of the "plebs." What's gonna happen to your self-esteem them?

>>155520840
>second mc won
So unexpected much wow

>>155520840
>no work

Rewatch it again, pleb. She was putting the whole-nighters the whole fucking time. Thus, she ended the way she is, just because she did hard work all of her life.

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>>155520840

>mfw people say they study more than 2 days for exams

>>155526538
Woah buddy, you almost cut me with those edges.

>>155526538
Because talent is pretty much fixed anon. Whilst natural or even latent talent can be nurtured or improved, you can't outright acquire it from nothing. That's why you see people like athletes retire once it becomes evident that their talent isn't sufficient to compete with others'; those that don't just slowly fade into obscurity, or they try to fight it and crash and burn.

>>155526810
I mean, is it not true? Something like a concussion is very easy to get

>>155521487
Are you in the wrong board?

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>>155521824
I had this happen to me, but with a college application instead of a job. I got into his dream university while didn't.

The amazing thing is that he wasn't nearly as upset about it as his mother was. She flipped out. Totally worth it though, because it was one of those very anime like instances where the mask just drops and you see the bitter person underneath.

I still smile smugly whenever I think about it.

so many talented people here
like WOW

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talent can't lose with a body like that

>>155526843
I'm not arguing that that isn't true; I'm just saying it's extremely easy to lose that latent ability. What then of your pride in X? Then, it makes no sense to think of yourself as so wholly superior to someone with perceived less talent

>>155526961
You do realize that (elite) college admissions are mostly luck right? Of course, you have to have decent test scores and ECs and not sound like a caveman while writing your essay, but beyond that, it really depends on the admissions person

>>155527046
Yeah, I have a feeling most of these people who claim to have talent only say so because they found a couple of people worse than them. In reality, it's much more likely that they're average at best, and they just don't want their self-esteem hurt to see actual people better than them at whatever.

>>155526538
Those are a bit extreme examples anon.

>>155527115
I hate Mashiro but damn, I would violate her every night.

>>155527185
You're right, it is. But surely the significance of losing the ability to utilise a talent demonstrates its importance? So long as you posess talent and the ability to utilise it, it makes some sense to regard those with talent as superior in a sense. Also, the idea of loss of talent as an equaliser is only true so long as you don't make the assumption that people are only superior because of talent alone. Someone isn't necessarily better than you at someting because they happen to be talented, which is where the whole aspect of hard work comes in. Just because someone talented loses the ability to utilise it doesn't suddenly mean you're as good as them.

>>155527314
No, it's just that the type of person who hangs around /a/ (used to be 4chan as a whole but not so much these days) is typically an above-average intellect, zero motivation underachiever with obscure and deranged hobbies.

>>155526961
Same here. We both applied to the best university in the country. I got in, he didn't. And he studied probably twice as much as I did. His mother has been unbelievably bitter towards me ever since. I kinda feel bad for my friend, though.

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>>155527439
>is typically an above-average intellect
Top kek. People around these parks are fucking retarded. It's just that shitty "im smart but lazy xdxdd" meme at work.

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>>155527395
that might be illegal, anon

>>155521096
In some regards this is true. But the harsh reality of the real world is that there is always someone better who had to work less to get there. Not even intelligent hard work can elevate someone to an equivalent point to someone who has talent.

What you have struggled for and achieved may have value in and of itself, but it may not amount to what you wanted.

>>155527499
Cool but where would you rate yourself then?

>>155527422
>Just because someone talented loses the ability to utilise it doesn't suddenly mean you're as good as them.
I mean, I guess it makes sense that hard work obviously comes into play, but I'm just saying that the playing field is now even.

If someone was very smart, but happened to live in Flint and get lead poisoning, and if you're also dumb, then you two will both have to struggle to learn things anyways. The boost from being naturally smart is gone, just like that.

>>155527636
I'll admit I'm fucking retarded. But to the credit of hard-workers, I'm still in school and haven't dropped out. Sure, there are plenty of people who try less and succeed more than me, but I've been making it through okay.

>>155527578
As long as I'm making money I'd be satisfied with whatever I got. Who cares if someone is better than me.

>>155527578
I mean yeah, life sucks. You gotta deal with it. But what you get out of life really depends on your attitude, not talent.

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It's too hard to judge talent until you get into the workforce. It's otherwise all talk or meaningless marks

If someone's paying you for your talents/skills, then you can be assured it's legit. But at that point, what makes you so different from your co-workers if you're getting the same remuneration?

>>155527705
>>155527733
And that is the relative nature of value. Something I may value highly, may seem trivial to others. For me, the important thing is to see a failure not as a mistake, but as a guideline on what my limitations are so I can focus on something I can do better.

Plus a lot of accumulated knowledge in multiple disciplines is never a bad thing.

How the fuck is the korean doujin the most popular Sakurasou doujin? The art and sex are terrible.

>>155527578
Does it really matter? Sure, there will always be someone who is better than you, but that doesn't mean you cannot become almost as good by working hard. You might never get to 0.1%, but there's nothing wrong in being in the 1%. You are still better than the majority of people. Always comparing yourself with the best will never make you happy.

>>155527912
Or you know, if you like it just keep doing it? Who cares if you suck at it?

>>155526843
I completely disagree. I believe that "talent" in the sense of being born in this world with inherent proficiency in a subject or field is just straight wrong. It's honestly your mindset and your way of thinking that determines how well you'll do when you start on something for the first time. It's all about how you were raised and how you were taught to think in childhood that influences your "talent" whether that is your parents, teachers, or even an initial interest in a subject. If someone grew up around engineers as parents and was around them everyday, they'll passively hear all the jargon, concepts, and to influence their developing brain and give them an edge in that area. That is how prodigies work. However they were raised by their parents or guardians or what environment they grew up in, it has a significant influence on their way of thinking that'll help them understand certain subjects of learning better than others. It doesn't have to be directly influenced by the parents either. If a kid has nothing to do all day and comes across a book on a particular topic, they could end up reading it and enjoy it, and want to continue learning about it from a young age and be influenced in that way. You aren't born with inherent talent when it comes to your mind. This is of course excluding the mentally handicapped which is just an outlier and a whole other subject entirely. I'm talking about the average human. It hurts to hear about you guys talking about talent as being determined from birth. As if there is a deterministic fate that binds us to a certain destiny, doomed to the life we have. As if we don't have control over our own life. Because it simply isn't true. This doesn't mean that you can't learn another skill and be proficient in it, this doesn't mean you can't have a different and additional talent to what you already have. If you want to be better at something, then do everything in your power to achieve it.

talent is a meme.
for example, an artist can draw better waifus than you not because he has a talent, but because he learn how to do it while you are put "effort" on masturbating and watching anime.
in the end it all depends on who is learned how to do things better.

>>155527906
Most genius painters and composers couldn't capitalize on their talents. It's only after their deaths that their works gained value.

>>155520840
Am I the only one here who actually liked the mc? I found him relatable, not because of the romance aspect of course, but because of his struggle to make something of himself. As someone who's close to two really talented people, I understood the frustration of trying your hardest to get a job or position and not being good enough, while those around you succeed seemingly effortlessly. Eventually you're forced to face the truth that at a certain point there are people who are born to succeed and people who aren't, and struggling against that is tireless and depressing.

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I have a talent for fucking other people's lives. Is that a good talent?

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mashiro is cue, CUTE!!!

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>>155528591
But why should I bother learning, who assures me that all the effort I'm putting into something will florish into something meaningful? That sucks, better give up before even trying, that way you can excuse yourself that you are not good because you didn't try seriously.

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>>155521706
>tfw you're fairly talented and could probably do some impressive things if you really put your mind to it but you have no motivation and nothing feels like it's worth doing
There's something wrong with me. Lately, I legitimately have trouble just watching and finishing shows or even playing video games unless somebody asks me to.

>People still assblasted the blonde keeps winning
Chinks inferiority complex will never go away, you might as well start to understand their culture

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MC is replaced by Hopeman. How does the show change?

>>155528737
I liked him until the second half.

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>>155520840
Best girl won. You Aoyamafags have become more annoying than I remember.

>>155520840

>Mc is complete Beta

Here is your 100 points answer...

Aoyama is lovely.
That's the message.

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>>155521824
A-are you my friend? He's now in a SE in a tech company while I'm on admin/tech support in a car dealership.
I had to deactivate facebook because of him.

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>>155524601
>had to reset 4chan x settings
>this retarded colombian is shitting every thread again

>>155528333
>As if there is a deterministic fate that binds us to a certain destiny, doomed to the life we have. As if we don't have control over our own life. Because it simply isn't true.
That's exactly true, you pretentious retard.

>>155530399
I know that feel, I had to cut ties with a friend to stop envying him and even myself more.

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>>155525901
>I heard in the LN they fucked is this true?
Might as well bring the read bean paste.

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>>155530678
They're just sharing a bed on a very hot night, anon. Get your mind out of the gutter.

>>155526538
Someone's a salty bitch aren't they?

>>155530738
We're either college students here or salarymen, anon.
Stop being so naive.
They fucked. Hot, steamy, passionate, missionary sex.

>>155530678
Isn't fucking a retard/autist/loony considered sexual abuse?

>>155530841
>They fucked. Hot, steamy, passionate, missionary sex.
Was it at least for the sole purpose of procreation?

>>155530854
Yes.

>>155526538
>you're not REALLY better than me at something because I can give you brain damage HURRRRRRR

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>>155530635
>had a good start-up job
>met the girl of his dream
>possibly becoming of his good career

>all of that could have been me if he just wasn't my friend who's superior in any way compared to me
I'm really becoming more and more of a villain as I grow up.

>>155530913
I forgot but I know that was just a normal teenage sex.

>>155531088
>that was just a normal teenage sex.
Can't say I'm personally familiar with that.

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>>155530399
>>155530635
>>155531042

This is why I couldn't have friends. Though understandably, after some point I become too much of a faggot to tolerate because of my success combo.

Now that I get fired and got myself a career setback which is nigh impossible to overcome, I may get some friends. R-right?

>>155531153
Please, every virgin sex is arguably just a teenage sex.

>>155520840
No, the message is that life isn't fair. They also were in different fields, and making it as a seiyuu is tough. The same thing happened in Shirobako - everyone except the aspiring seiyuu was working professionally.

Both Mashiro and the genki girl who wanted to be an anime director or whatever had autistic work ethics as well, so it's not like they didn't work hard.

>>155531245
>I may get some friends. R-right?
>Implying we can obtain friends just like that.
Acquaintances are easy, you have a list in your fb.
Friends? Good luck with that. There is a high chance they already forgot you.
And you do you think you are to be concerned with?

>>155531439
Why aspiring seiyuu must always suffer? Is this supposed to be some sort of meta commentary too?

>>155531251
I'm not familiar with any sex though.

>>155531579
I expected that Zuka-chan in Shirobako would suffer far more than she did. She even had a similar hairstyle to Aoyama.

>>155526961
literal sociopath

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>>155531579
I dunno.

>>155531579
Was Sore ga Seiyuu also about suffering?

>>155531635
Well yes, at least she actually managed to get a role at the end, which is surprising considering shirobako had to a certain extent a more realistic approach to things, Zuka should have ended like Aoyama abandoning her dreams after realizing she had no talent nor luck in life

>>155531827
What little it had about actual seiyuu stuff was sorta suffering, yes, but for the most part it didn't take itself too seriously so they put little to no effort in whatever they were doing so it felt inconsequential, like most SoL

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>>155531471
>And you do you think you are to be concerned with?
What? I don't understand what you mean.
>There is a high chance they already forgot you.
Duh. I meant new ones.

which girl won

Mashiro a shit.

>>155531897
>Zuka should have ended like Aoyama abandoning her dreams after realizing she had no talent nor luck in life
Until episode 23 I was convinced that they were going with that conclusion to her arc. In retrospect it was a bit cynical to think so considering the rather positive tone of series.

>ITT untalented plebs that think that proficiency is an act of god

>>155533407
Sorry we all can't be as talented as you, anon. Shouldn't you be off wowing crowds somewhere?

>>155522319
Problem with talent is you get used to it, for thought of buying a new car is much more fun than actually getting a new car, same with talent and basically everything.
I used to do cycling and coaches said I could've easily made pro, at the same time I didn't feel as if I was lucky to be that talented.
Basically its like living in 1st world and haveing african kids wondering why ppl are choosing suiside when they are "lucky"

if the MC is as awful as that, you don't consider that a 'win'

>>155527254
It also helped that I did the SAT IIs and he didn't.

But yeah, I'm very sure I won the luck lottery.

Just came here to say that Mashiro and Nanami are both beautiful in their own ways and I would happily marry either of them

>>155521706
I got talent in things I don't like to do.

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>>155521824
Damn anon that's not okay

>>155520840
The message is that while hard work is great, sometimes it legit just isn't fucking enough, and you need talent on your side too.

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ERABE

A) Socially inept savant
B) Chuuni cutey
C) Completely batshit futon

>>155540179
D) Nanami

>>155529719
MC was a faggot but not a beta

>>155520840
>Is the message of this series is that having talent but putting in no work > putting in effort and doing your best?
That's how it usually works out though.

>>155520840
It's not just talented vs hard working it's talented + hard working vs just hard working. Mashiro probably worked harder than Aoyama. It's easy for us "normal" people to just call it "talanted" and ignore all the hard work she's putting into her drawings.

>>155540179
one chuuni to go with extra dip please

>>155544444
Some people are naturally talented at what they choose to pursue though and have to put in very little work.

Nice quints.

I guess I should rewatch this.

>>155522445
>normie
Pic one or more of the following questions.
Why are you on /a/ you normalfag?
Why are you on /a/ you newfag?
Why are you on /a/ you crossboarder?
Why are you on /a/ you cancer?
I give a shit this post was 12 hs ago.

>>155523960
I have an amazing memory for music. I can remember the tunes and in some cases lyrics to music years later after having heard it. It's undoubtedly my one true talent, but I don't know how to play any instruments at all. What a waste, huh?

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>>155521824
Wait, why are you dumb faggots getting mad over this? Unless he was LITERALLY the only other person applying, why do you think his friend would have had a chance at getting the job instead?

>>155520840
>putting in no work
Did you not watch the fucking show? Mashiro puts in tons of work.

>>155520840
>A talented but zero common sense literal autist won over the beautiful hard working girl
>What the fuck? Is the message of this series is that having talent but putting in no work > putting in effort and doing your best?
>Because that is just /ai/ - idle activities

>>155545558
His friend got NTR'd. I feel bad for him