Can someone explain to me why this movie is held in such high

I actually enjoyed it for about 20 minutes (because it was exactly like the first chapter of the manga) but after that it just turned into garbage. I tried to like it but I just couldn't.

>>155512058
Because Major's tits are erected.

>>155512058
t. brainlet

>>155513264

t. projecting retard

>>155512058

Because it's pretentious garbage and weebs gain browny points if they say they enjoyed it.

Even 2017 GitS is better.

>>155513326
Yeah that's pretty much what I figured. I saw it has 96% on rotten tomatoes and I just can't wrap my head around it

>>155512058
Stand Alone Complex is the best version of GitS. I imagine you'd like that a lot more.

The TV series is the only thing worth watching

>>155513449
>>155513463
So I take it the series' are better? I wanted to watch the films first but goddamn do I have a bad taste in my mouth after watching this

Where can I go to read this? Batoto is being a shit.

>>155512058
I really enjoyed it, I haven't gotten around to reading the manga yet though. Just the movies and SAC+2nd.

It just felt like more than the sum of its parts for me for whatever reason. I should rewatch it so I can explain better, I hate not being able to articulate why something made me feel a certain way. I didn't know it was a huge deal when I saw it though, so it definitely wasn't a desire to fit in.

>>155513522
MC has actual personality in the anime and everyone is fleshed out

>it looked and sounded nice

Yes it's because you watched it right after reading the manga. It looks nice? Its a masterpiece of animation, without even considering the context that it's over 20 years old. If you went in expecting the deep life changing philosophy like a lot of people do, you might be dissapointed.

>>155513530
I read it on kissmanga, I doubt it would be hard to find a torrent. As a warning it's read from left to right for English version, took me way too long to figure that out

It's the atmosphere the scenes give out. Can't really explain it better than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2mXrndt1ZI

A lesser director would stuff it full with dubstep and bwoooongs, like this:

https://youtu.be/HHRWZTJEPGA?t=23s

I don't know if this is just the trailer or the final movie is like this as well, but the first clip is a lot more immersive to me than the second.

>>155513613
Okay, it looked incredible. But I can't think of anything else I liked about it. I wasn't expecting a life-changing experience, but I was expecting it to be at least half as good as the manga.

>>155513803
I do agree with you there, the atmosphere was out of this world. Also that scene is the best part of the movie (probably because its just like the manga), it goes downhill after there for me.

As a side note, I also can't get over that the Chief looks like a normal old man instead of an ape. I dunno, maybe if I hadn't read it I wouldn't hate the movie so much.

>>155512058
elitism and circlejerking

that said, the manga and the anime series are also quite enjoyable. I'd recommend those as well.

>>155513803
Why is music in movies so terrible these days?
Only shitty horror movies have good music every now and then.

>>155514029
This might be an answer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs

It's for Marvel shit but it's applicable for other movies as well.

>>155512058
>being a Shirowpleb brainlet

>>155512058
It was revolutionary for its time and capitalized on a certain vision of the future that was in vogue.
In the time since it came out, there have been so many derivative works that many of the things that it did that were seen as groundbreaking are now common or even overused.
Whenever you look at old anime, you have to take into perspective the era in which it was created, the political, philosophical, and cultural issues of the time, as well as the animation technology and stylistic elements that were common when it was created.

>>155514227
I see, I'm as old as the movie so I can't truly appreciate it relative to it's time period, only relative to what I've seen. It did an alright job of showing off the world and setting but it didn't really have me in awe since I was already familiar with it all

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>>155514227
100% this
What a mindfuck to have actually seen this in 1995

>>155514463

Remember, Deus Ex is considered a thematic masterpiece too, and it looks it like it was made with lego bricks for characters.

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>>155513326
This.

>>155514585
I think I like every show I've seen on that image.

>>155514620

The difference is between liking them or basing your worldview off of them. That said, cyborg mercenaries when

>>155514227
I wish I had seen this and Akira when they first came out. I feel like I can't appreciate them since I watched them so much later.

It's one of the first anime people saw in 1996 or 1997, if not Ninja Scroll, Macross Plus, or AKIRA. So it was easily impressive. Now try watching Oshii's filmography in order and you'll see all of his Oshii-isms reused constantly, so what someone thought was unique in GitS had already been done in Beautiful Dreamer, Twilight Q, or Patlabor 1.

>>155514585
>muh moe
Other than that this image is ok.

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Is gateway anime for the cyberpunk genre. If you already familiar with the genre you're gonna get bored after 20 minutes.

Is a very well done movie but one should only recommend it to people who never played Shadowrun before.

>>155514585
I only recognize 2 of twose shows. Is that good or bad?

>>155512058

It was a sensation back then, if for nerds. Something amerifats (and basically anyone not-japanese) didn't know for shit. Consider that it was the time Sailor Moon went out, the fandom was born these days. It was like star Wars first came out, if only for some people. Hell, I personally watched it first in... I dunno, 2001? And why I wasn't mind-blown I did get immediately why people were trippin' balls back then.
Back then, no internet in most homes. Japan: here be dragons.

Also, while it's the brainlet/pretentious version compared to the manga (yes both, and no, I'm not referring to manmachine interface) it was a good movie. Too serious for its' own good, but that was Oshii becoming the (unwatchable) Oshii of today... while still coming out with an interesting movie, not just a techicnal masterpiece (which it was).

Actually, as an oldfag, the seriousness has played a interesting role. Not only it made the movie more acceaptable and showed that anime could be serious business (which relatively to the dying cyberpunk movement was VERY important. People wouldn't accept something crazier or more tongue in cheek as a gateway of sort; that was for kids, they needed the "adult" part), it kinda formed the western weaboo mindset for at least a decade.

Nowdays we have learned to stop worrying and love the loli and joking aside we wisely don't think anime is there to be, for a lack of better word, a mature medium in which at least the majority of things should be expected to be aesthetically rare and unheard of.
But for many years fandom clinged to the idea of anime execptionalism, and believe me, my young padawan, that wasn't a good idea.
Shit taste is EVERYTHING but a new idea. I'm not sure fandom nowdays isn't more stupid tp be fair, but at least weebs don't seem to take this shit, by default, as something it's not meant to be.
Which frankly is to me the only state of mind to find out when shit IS better than average and not deluding ourselves.

>>155515036
Holy fuck you need to learn to be more concise.

This thread has helped me appreciate the movie a little more from a historical standpoint. But I would honestly rather watch some moe slice of life or brainless shonen than submit myself to that movie again, I guess what I find enjoyable just doesn't align with this film.

>>155514227

Revolutionary? There's nothing too crazy new in it for late 1995 other than Oshii being deep about where and what consciousness are. It's more about being babby's first "future city and guns" anime that takes itself more seriously, and looks less cutesy, than Bubblegum Crisis. That and Armitage III could also be seen as too silly. It's brooding enough movie that fits perfectly for the mid 90s Black Hole Sun crowd.

>>155515147

Try SAC. It's actually more faithful to the manga, being OPERATORS GONNA OPERATE minus the more comical/satyrical/ecchi parts.

And it's possibly the only series /a/ as a whole doesn't shit on. Genuinely solid.

(actually for the SOL and to extent iyashikei aspect Shirow did Real Drive, oddly enough. Tough it's not exaclty K-On!)

>>155515334
Definitely gonna give it a watch. It's a shame they don't keep the humor from the manga, though I could understand why.

>>155513914
>I was expecting it to be half as good as the manga
There wasn't enough lesbian sex or other whacky antics for you?

The movies takes 90 minutes to ask the question "Does your physical being effect your spiritual being and how does changing your physical being effect this?" It also has some of the best mechanical animation in any media ever. (Not the whole thing but specific sequences like the tank-fight and the quality of background animation)

I think it's a masterpiece but I look at it through the context of where our society is headed technologically. A lot of the questions that it asked were only really thought about by geeky autists since the 90's but now that we're 10 years away from desirable augmentation we have to actually start asking these questions among the normalfags. I think the movie gains credibility every year about the philosophy of living in that kind of world.

But my opinion isn't law so I don't get asshurt when people don't enjoy it. You might be a pleb but doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong.

>>155515647
A joke or wisecrack here and there wouldn't have killed them. Mostly I just wanted any reason at all to care about anybody other than Kusanagi

>Can someone explain to me why this movie is held in such high regard?
Fucking incredible animation and art. The plot is solid whether you like it or not.

> with boring undeveloped characters and barely any explanation for anything that was going on.
Huh? Everything is explained pretty clearly as it's rolling along. I was just watching a bit of it earlier. You just have to pay attention to the conversations the characters are having.

>characters not fleshed out
The main focus is on the major. Batou gets a little characterization too, but the entire movie is about the major's internal struggle. She was pretty well fleshed out IMO.

>>155515903
They had an hour and 20 minutes. They decided to make a movie that focuses almost entirely on how Motoko feels about her humanity. You can't really flesh out all the characters in such a short timeframe without rushing the hell out of the movie.
I'd sorta compare that to Taxi Driver. The focus is all on the psyche of the main character and the other characters are not much more than props.

>>155515912
>>155516172
You both are right, I can't help but compare the story to the manga which is probably unfair to the film.

>>155513522
Stand Alone Complex is awesome.

I rewatched the first Ghost In The Shell movie a few weeks ago and it's really not that great of a movie in retrospect. It is undoubtedly a huge cultural phenomenon particularly when it was first released.

OP is going beddy bye thanks for enlightening me /a/

>>155514029
Because instead of tediously crafting a new soundtrack, they can just use the latest pop song (or in the case of most action movies, some easy to recognise band like AC/DC). Movies as an art medium are become more about delivering a product than a meaningful art piece

>>155515147
It's a pretty solid film from an entertainment standpoint. Sure the plot gets bogged down by existential nonsense that doesn't go beyond a high school level, but it's still fun to watch.

I think Patlabor 2 had much more unique things to say, especially from a Japanese perspective, while at the same time having a more cohesive plot. You should watch that if you haven't.

>>155516600

Patlabor 2 themes matter more now than even, aside from the coincidence of the gas attacks in 95. Both movie also look visually the same, GitS isn't at all out of the normal for decent budget mid 90s films.

Looking at this thread I'm really glad I'm not the only one who found this movie boring and dissapointing

>>155512058
Well having a manga adapted to an OVA, somethings are bound to get lost in the translation. But the basic layout is there, the major's philosophical doubts, the puppet master, the weapons, wthe possibility to fuse with something beyond your undertanding.

If you expected a 1:1 manga recereation, you are wrong, but for its own merits is a godly OVA. It was groundbreaking in its time.

Maybe some of the sloooooooow panoramic scenes confise people, but they have a meaning. the dog, the major seeing another same bodytype cyborg while she was on the boat, the mannequin that look just like the major, the plain mannequins at the oend of one of the scenes. Look at the major's reactions man!

They are inviting you to think about the major's doubts on her own individuality. How are you different if there are instances of your face being used by other people and as a mannequins? Are you like a mannequin? The hound that she sees is the same race as the one that we saw in a commercial, and If my mind serves me well it also appears in the photo of the trashman's "family". What other thing's appereance are this society "recycling and reusing"? Are the major seeing herself as one of those products?

It makes you think man

>>155512058
>Watching the film
>After reading the manna

There's your problem OP. I saw the film first then read the manga, which was of course superior and has the best !major, but also made me appreciate the film more.

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>>155517162
funny yet not surprising that /a/ hates it, while /tv/ finds it ok

It's a damn shame because they really seem to have worked hard on it. I never would have imagined that they would do this scene with practical effects.

I honestly hate when old anime gets like this and newer fans are like BORING SHIT

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>>155516172
holy fuck thats actually a very good comparison man. i never would have thought of that. these movies actually have so much in common its crazy

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>>155519247
>It's a damn shame because they really seem to have worked hard on it.

Most films are worked on long and hard by dedicated people trying to make a good product. I can respect the effort put into it but I'm not going to pretend it's worth my time solely because of that.

>>155514227
SEINFELD EFFECT

>>155512058
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but you probably watched the dub, which has a really shitty translation and misses the point of a lot of the exchanges.

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>>155521840
>I'm not going to pretend it's worth my time
Because clearly you are spending it doing something very productive

>>155519385
I don't think it has much to do with being new to the medium. "It's boring and pretentious" is a very common criticism for any movie that aims to be a bit more than purely entertainment and has a strong focus on dialogues.

>>155514585
If you don't realice why the shows in this image are what anime should be like then you are part of the problem. And yeah, the shows you like are probably shit.
>inb4 Look at this dude! He is doing the thing the image says! XD
/a/ is so fucking conformist, keep watching your trash and get mad when told, this images sure will make you feel better about wasting in those series.

>>155512058
>barely any explanation for anything that was going on
But they explain everything.

Yeah, it's kind of a stinker in regards to the characters.
Certain characters just get thrown onto the screen without any explanation for who they are.
It's pretty much all about the worldbuilding, desu.

>>155514227
i was born in late 89
so glad i saw it in 2002 when i was 13
right time to see it
god bless SBS for airing NGE, akira and other fantastic anime
god bless toonami

i don't care what anyone says
80's and 90's anime was all amazing when you were 13 years old and almost every concept and theme it introduced you to was new and ground breaking because you simply hadn't consumed that much media or knew that much world history yet

neon genesis, akira,

>>155520646
2ndgig episode 2 is literally taxi driver but with a helicopter pilot instead of a taxi driver

>>155513326
This
I wanted to like it but its a shit action movie, which would be excusable if it wasn't as deep as a 14 year old who just found his dad's old vhs of blade runner. I'll take a shallow action movie with a cyberpunk style over this """masterpiece""""" any day of the week.

>>155514585
So basically, good popular stuff is "pretentious"? Besides angel's egg and technolyxe wich I dind't enjoy much, I don't find particular problems there. I don't get it, is the author of the image triggered because people talk about Eva and LOGH lots?

>>155512058
It represents the best of 90's anime and the best of the cyberpunk genre to me.
i don't know if it's nostalgia or what but if a normie asked me for just one anime film from the 90's i would probably show them that.
It's also what romanticized hacking and programming.
Maybe i'm a pleb i dunno.
I'm really shocked and surprised with all these people calling it shit or bland all of a sudden. I thought it was universally beloved.

>>155522935
If you don't get the type of person that image is making fun of, then you probably are that type of person

>>155512058
>look at me look at me I read the manga and suddenly this world-renowned masterpiece is overrated
Usually see this with Akira and Nausicaa, not too often with Ghost in the Shell, so good on you for picking a different target, I guess. Try learning a bit about film or animation so that you can understand what makes them good, instead of just being disappointed cause it didn't adapt everything.

>>155522940
>I'm really shocked and surprised with all these people calling it shit or bland all of a sudden.
People who have never seen classics and try to re-contextualize them, disregarding any impact they could have when they were new. They don't live up to their expectations because unknowingly they think they are perfect and will blow everything they enjoy away. Or they are being contrarian because trying to learn why something is loved takes time and effort.

>>155522940
It is, but as always /a/ is beeing autistic as fuck.

I mean seriously, what did you expect?

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This fucking shot is so good.

>>155523052
Holy fuck, thank you.

>>155523052
to be fair, the Nausicaa manga BTFOs almost any other Japanese anime OR manga ever

makes me cringe when people on here say Miyazaki is good for nothing apart from cutesy nostalgia fuel

>>155523205
Maybe so, I don't really care, I'm talking more about the attitude manga readers often take towards adaptations
>I read Psycho and, guys, I'm pretty sure Hitchcock's movie just isn't that good
Stupid stupid stupid

>>155523088
The entire movie looks amazing. The symbolism in the visuals is pretty great desu

>>155523088
You could screenshot half of the movie and it'd look impressive every time

>>155513326
>>155513369
>>155514585
>>155522799
>I don't get it, it must be pretentious

>>155523052
The GITS movie has little to do with the manga beside the setting, characters and some plot points. It's hard to compare them on more than a superficial level "I liked this one better, the story in this one was better". GiTS is a great movie in its own right but you can't really call it an adaptation. Whereas Nausicaa and Akira are actual adaptations, but they lack 75% of the content and substance of the manga. They're both beloved for their visual prowess, the context they came out in, their historical value and a bit of nostalgia. But had they come out in this decade, they would have been mocked as shallow advertisement for the source material.

Are The other animated movies any good?

>>155526141
Yeah, yeah. Sure thing anon.

>>155526320
Of Ghost in the Shell? Innocence is worth a look, skip the rest.

>>155526458
I'm not saying Nausicaa or Akira are bad movies, just explaining why they fall victim to the unfair comparison with their source material more often than GiTS.

>>155526458
Solid State society is alright if you've seen SAC and 2nd Gig series. The Arise movie was decent, and it's worth watching the Arise series for.

>>155526680
Meant to reply to >>155526320

>>155526612
It's literally just a matter of perspective. If the manga had been created as an expansion of original films, this conversation wouldn't be happening.

>>155515735
Thanks anon, I feel more of less the same way.

>>155514585
Haibane Renmei was good, though.

>>155525172
If you think they don't get it then explain it to me.

If you say you "get it" but can't explain it then that just means you're jumping on a bandwagon to try and make it seem like you're smart.

>>155522940
>if a normie asked me for just one anime film from the 90's i would probably show them that.
Porco Rosso

>>155514585
>haibane renmei
>NHK
>pretentious
>galactic heroes

are you fucking stupid? they are simple and they rely heavily on their characters and style you dumb fucker. the story doesn't try to be more than it really is. a dumb fuck neet and angels who committed suicide

>>155528123
Pretentious refers to the fans you insecure nerd

>>155515903
>A joke or wisecrack here and there wouldn't have killed them.
But Motoko even blames the static at the start of the film on her period. It's just that Oshii stripped all the humour out of the statement. Still gives me a chuckle though.

>>155527911
why should he explain the movie to you if other people don't get it?

>>155525172
Why do you assume I don't get the movie? I understand the allegory and what the film was trying to convey, and I still hate it. It's just boring intellectual masturbation with pretty art and music

>>155513449
He's right, you know.

>>155514585
>Implying moe isn't shit

>>155528889
Why even post? Do you know where you are?

>>155514585
How dare the creators put more effort into their works than my average aimless moe show that will be forgotten after 2 months it has finished airing?

How come original, well thought-out and memorable anime that tackle difficult themes with either a complete mastery of the medium or a unique functionality brought to fruition are able to stand the test of time and still be loved by many people years and years after it has finished airing?

It's not fair at all, I feel you.

>>155528954
Way to misunderstand the image

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>>155514585
Don't you fucking dare put NHK, Texhnolyze and Haibane in the same category as Ergo Proxy.

>>155522349
I shouldn't give you any attention, but this image isn't saying anything negative about these shows. It's making fun of idiots like you who think they have superior taste because they watched these shows and can comprehend basic symbolism.

I fell asleep the first time I have watched it

Aren't the SAC TV series the part that made GitS popular?

(I wonder how many normalfags grabbed the movies when Steam had that anime sale last weekend.)

>>155513522
The show is definitely worse than the movie. Gits 1995 is praised due to its amazing animation, art quality and for it achieved in that time. Story wise it's probably a step down from the anime, but everything else is superior to the show

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>>155522971
The image is dumb as fuck, and so are you for taking it seriously

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My suggestion, read a book maybe

>>155514585
I'm really disappointed that Angel's Egg has been dredged up by idiots who claim it has tons of symbolism when it's really just Oshii's tribute to Andrei Tarkovsky's films.

>>155529552
Who's taking it seriously here, me? Or the people getting triggered by it?

>>155513803
Western directors never understand the value of silence in a scene.