What is the most influential anime ever?

castle of cagliostro

Astro Boy

>>155439535
No

There's not really a single answer to this since there have been a lot of game changers over the years.

Lucky star.

Re;Zero

>>155439505
Eva

>>155439617

>>155440165
It's not even the most influential anime of that genre, that'd be Azumanga Daioh.

./hack//Sign heralded the age of video game isekai

>60s
ASTRO BOY
>70s
Ashita no Joe
>80s
Urusei Yatsura
>90s
This one is hard. Either Utena or EVA
>2000
This is also a hard one. I guess one anime that popularized LN adaptations.
>2010
?

>>155439505
Mickey Mouse

>>155440604
>2000s
>I guess one anime that popularized LN adaptations.
Haruhi?

Eva. Not for anything in particular it did in show, for ushering in the production committee model which allowed for teen to adult targeted TV anime with a focus on high sales to a small market rather than low sales to a broad market. (This also killed experimental OVAs, since you could now have their subject matter without that $100 a tape barrier to entry.)

If there was no Astro Boy, weekly TV animation still would have occured a few years later through dubbed Flintstones or Scooby-Doo. If there was no Gundam people would have latched harder onto Yamato, and if there was no Yamato people would have latched harder onto Zambot and Gundam.
But if there was no Eva, probably the only late-night anime from last season that would have gotten made are Blue Exorcist and Gintama.

>>155440659
Yeah. But I'm still not sure which one had a bigger influence in the industry, (Haruhi or Azumanga Daioh).

>>155440750
Azumanga was 4-koma, not LN.

>>155440604
Utena was great but not really influential. Eva it is.
00s is Haruhi
10s is K-On, maybe?

>>155440778
I know man. I meant impact in the industry, not that Azumanga was a LN.

And I'm still struggling with finding the answer for the 2010 and forward.

>>155440681
Is that because Eva tried to take a stab at more teenage/adult themes during a kid's time slot?

Was Eva one of the first to do that or was it the first to cause such an earthquake for it?

>>155440604
Honestly it seems like the 70s ought to be the real toughest choice since not only did Ashita no Joe happen but also Lupin III, Space Battleship Yamato, Mobile Suit Gundam and many other favorites that influenced the following generation of animators.

>>155440681

this, especially about ovas. ppl don't realize just how few anime series there were in the 80s and how many popular manga only received a one episode ova at best.

at the same time, I miss the gore and sex from non televised ovas

>>155440604
>utena above sailor moon

>>155439505
Suzumiya Haruhi

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Pretty impossible to say. I think maybe Horus: Prince of the Sun.

>>155440935
It was more coincidental than anything. Gainax was indie because they wanted to do high-concept shows, Eva's abandonment of the kiddie Angel-of-the-week/constant Eva upgrades model is why they had to go production committee rather than single-sponsor from a toy company, and of course the mature concepts were why it was a hit just like Yamato or Gundam, but a kiddie show with the same success and funding model would have had the same results yet those earlier teen shows with the same success and a different funding model didn't.

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>>155439505

>>155440681
I'm pretty sure the OVA died because the economy died, and because direct-to-video stopped being a good business model.

>>155440499
Azumanga came before, but Lucky Star had a bigger impact.

>>155439617
This.

>>155441886
What was the impact of Lucky Star?

>>155440604
>>70s
>Ashita no Joe
Not Gundam?

>>155441636
The thing is, OVAs continued to peak AFTER the bubble collapsed. The falloff didn't really happen until the mid-90s post-Eva boom where shows which would have previously been piloted as OVA were now able to find enough funding to air late-night as infomercials.

>>155441947
Started the Yamakan meme.

>>155441947
Huge impact on the chocolate cornet industry.

>>155441473
It's so influential it created the kemonomimi genre retroactively.

>>155442322
Still, I'm not convinced Eva had anything to do with it. DTV died all over the world, not just in Japan.

>>155442719
My read is that it was the coup de grace that prevented a drawn-out death; major adaption OVAs stayed somewhat viable through around 2010 before mostly becoming movies, ONAs, and OADs, and I think without the outlet of late-night anime originals and minor franchises would have tried to cling on as well.

>>155439505
Hokuto No ken.

Naruto

Pokemon

>>155439505
As far as romantic comedies go, this one.

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Love Hina

Destroyed anime 16 years without recovery

>>155440604
Utena was a huge flop in Japan, Why do you think Ikuhara didn't get to direct anything til Penguindrum? EVA is definitely THE 90s anime in terms of influence.

early 2000s I'm not sure, depends on the part of the world and demographic. Azumanga Daioh ushered in a whole new breed of weeaboo, but Shonenshit was at an all time high in the west as well. Either way, that momentum was killed by K-On.

>DEEP shows
Eva
>Romantic comedy
OP's pic
>SoL comedy
Azumanga I guess
>Superhero
ASTRO BOY
>Magical Girls
Sailor Moon
>Battle shonen/sports
Ashita no Joe - Hokuto no Ken
>Police/mystery??
Lupin the Third
>Mecha
I don't know. Yamato or Gundam
>Romantic Shojo
The Rose of Versailles

>>155440959
I think in terms of Animation, Yamato would have been the absolute most influential of that era. It's a tough call with Lupin, but I think that's been assigned higher value retroactively due to Miyazaki's role. In terms of breeding otaku and directly influencing the next generation of anime directors, I'd say Yamato wins.

Joe was just super popular, like Sazae-san or Conan

>>155445704
Yamato over Gundam?

>>155445596
Sailor Moon, Pokemon, and even fucking Naruto all came out in the 90s and were more influential than Eva ever was

>>155445882
anime wise, not naruto. Started in 2002

>>155445704
I'd rather classify something as genre because there were things that broke things like >>155445596 said; Azumanga was 2000ish and yet influenced a whole new breed of weeaboos, or Eva who took many elements of mecha and DEEP psychological shows, or even the first "isekai" which was Digimon.
>>155445882
HxH came first than Naruto and it was the inspiration of Naruto. And HxH had many other influences. You're right about the others

>>155440959
>>155445704
My take is to give the '70s to Yamato, and then call Gundam influential because of the reruns in '80 and movies in '81-'82 and give the '80s to it.

Dodges like this also make the '00s easier, as we can call Blue Sub No. 6 the most influential show of the '00s for introducing full digital production to the core market even though it ran from '98 to '00.

The '10s will probably, in retrospect, be Sidonia - full 3DCG AND bringing Netflix (and by extension) Amazon into the sponsor pool.

>>155445882
Each of those was easily more culturally influential than what was shown on screen in Eva, but without Eva being a success 90% of the anime made after 1998 or so simply would not exist. They're Pac-man and Space Invaders to Eva's shitty non-super Mario Brothers.

>>155445882
Maybe the first two, but Naruto? Way to fuck up the point you were making. Naruto didn't influence anything.

If anything, Naruto owes a debt of gratitude to Ninku (and Kishimoto has admitted as much). Newfags don't know about Ninku, though.

>>155446134
>without Eva being a success 90% of the anime made after 1998 or so simply would not exist
Uhhhhh

>>155446168
Eva ripped off more shit than Naruto ever did

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>>155446028
>or even the first "isekai" which was Digimon.
But that's fucking wrong. Aura Battler Dunbine, Escaflowne, Magic Knight Rayearth, Fushigi Yuugi, and that's just to name a few.

Isekai existed for a long time before fucking Digimon.

>>155446207
Look at how many and what kinds of anime were made based on the single-source funding model which was nearly universal before Eva.
Look at the decline of the OVA market even for high-end adaptions based on changes to the economy.

It's possible another production would have moved to the committee model and also being successful eventually, but it was absolutely critical to the industry that the model appeared and was proven successful when it did.

>>155446028
>even the first "isekai" which was Digimon.

ok that's just painful to read that someone thinks that

Is this the first to love ru?

>>155446246
>Magic Knight Rayearth
Why aren't there any mecha mahou shoujo nowadays? Is it just the bad target demographic overlap?
No, Nanoha doesn't count.

>>155446417
You need to watch more old Anime.
Eva didn't do shit except become popular using the same tactics that the Anime before it did.

>>155440604
>Utena.
Nah.

Rose of Versailles for 80's/Aim for the Ace for 70's if you want to rep female side. Sailor Moon/DBZ for 90's.

Haruhi for 2000's. From the female side, Prince of Tennis, considering all the fujobait sports shows? It's the first big one I can remember that very, very female-feeling.

2010's K-On!, OreImo. Sword Art Online. Female side, still sports anime fujobait, I think I've seen a shift in focus over to VNs and those phone apps. I wonder when we'll get a big, game changing adaption of one of them. Yuri on Ice could become it, I guess, but I think it's currently still less influential than Haikyuu

Jojo

>>155446168

Still more influential than EVA.

>>155445704
> It's a tough call with Lupin, but I think that's been assigned higher value retroactively due to Miyazaki's role.

I suppose that's true to a degree, although I think people over exaggerate his contributions to the Lupin franchise as a whole. I'd even wager that Yasuo Otsuka is way more important.

>>155446489
Except it didn't use the same tactics at all; few previous shows, and no major TV successes, were built around multisource funding from a variety of industries.
ttps://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A3%BD%E4%BD%9C%E5%A7%94%E5%93%A1%E4%BC%9A%E6%96%B9%E5%BC%8F will get you started.

>>155446484
Maybe little girls don't like mecha?

A little older girls do, but they like their mecha to be fujobait with male pilots.

>>155446612
I wasn't talking about the financial side of things, but the actual content of the show, which is blatantly a mashup of a bunch of other shows.
Eva brought nothing original to the table and its influence is over exaggerated.

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>>155446762
>lolidontreadbutipretendtoknowbetterthanyouanyway

>>155446840
Not an argument. You lost, buddy.

>>155445882
Depends on what you mean by influential. I'm speaking in terms of the industry, of directors, art styles, techniques etc.

Commercial influence is different, and even then, I said shonenshit was at all all time high in the 2000s in the west, which it was. DBZ was at its height in 2002

>>155446246
>>155446456

Right sorry you're right

>>155446637
Kids like whatever they have shoved at them, you can even look at the history by country of which sex gets blue and which one gets pink.
TV execs and manga editors, on the other hand, like clear-cut demographic divisions so they can look like they're doing something useful.

Toei in particular also has a deliberate marketing program of girls' shows that dad will like and boys' shows that mom will like, ostensibly to keep the parents from changing the channel but practically Precures kicking ass with beamspam is enough for tomboy Hanako even if they don't have a robot, and Kamen Riders who cook and clean are appealing role-models for limp-wristed little Taro.

>>155446762
But the financial influence is quite literally why we have most of the anime we have now. Eva could have been 26 episodes of Anno grunting in distress while goatseing at a camera, but the second that goatse printed on Ueshima Coffee cans improved their sales so much they decided to help sponsor another anime too, it would be enough to basically create the current industry ex nihilo.

70s MSG
80s Zeta
90s Gundam Wing
00s Gundam 00
10s Unicorn

>>155447181
Even if you limit it only to financial influence, Eva is still beat out by Pokemon so you have no argument.

>>155446762
Eva only superficially resembles the shows that inspired it.

>>155447517
Dumbest post in this thread

>>155447589
You'd have to be some shade of mentally retarded to think that the similarities between Eva and, say, Be Invoked go any farther than "everyone dies and there are some shots of the ocean in a weird color."

About as many similarities as there are between Versailles and Utena, but you don't see anyone posting about that, do you?

>>155439505
why do you keep posting this old ass show every time? I'm pretty sure you're the only person that is still trying to get people to discuss urusei yaysura. I've seen you made a couple threads in the past about this show, I'm sure its all you.

>>155447665
Even Eva's director and staff said it's a fucking ripoff, get over it.

>>155447739
It's definitely blatantly inspired by tons of things, but it's more than the sum of its parts.

>>155447181
And just to back up that last part, how many anime in the '80s, following up on Gundam which no one is questioning, were built on the idea of abandoning the traditional idea of a blood family? I'd bet that far more were about the complete opposite.
Not even the real robot concept was articulated well in Gundam TV with its endless prototypes and commander types; in fact it first really took off in Macross.

>>155447349
Let me guess, you've never actually worked on the Japanese side of the industry?
Pokemon made more money, eventually over a far longer run with a far higher initial investment, but even Pokemon would probably not have been made without Eva proving the committee model successful given its heavy merchandising and Nintendo's previous reluctance to get involved with TV anime.

>>155447799
Not according to the people who made it

>>155447833
So? The admission of inspiration has no bearing on the actual content of the show which is explicitly not the same as any one thing that came before it. It's not like the fact that the Eva units looks like Devilman totally nullifies anything new the show does.

>>155446484
Macross Delta

>>155447921
The show didn't do anything new is the problem.
It's just a stitch together from Anime that Anno thought was cool during his younger years.

>>155448007
>opinions
If that was the case, and to be fair it is for, like, 70% of the show, the last two episodes wouldn't exist. Those aren't a fucking Ultraman reference.

>>155448110
Even the Eva creators admit to it. Stop being a dumb fanboy.
Eva didn't bring anything new to the table. The only revolutionary thing it did was mash together the best parts of a bunch of other revolutionary Anime. It's a Frankenstein work.

1960's - Astro Boy
1970's - Space Battleship Yamato, Mazinger Z
1980's - Mobile Suit Gundam
1990's - Neon Genesis Evangelion
2000's - Azumanga Daioh, Haruhi
2010's - K-On!, Sword Art Online

>>155440681
>dubbed Flintstones or Scooby-Doo

>>155448719
>implying that Japan doesn't get dubbed American TV
>implying that they didn't get even more in the '60s

>>155448630
You are a fucking retard.

>>155449215
Not an argument.

>>155448630
Are the Beatles an influential group? All they are are a shitty boy band like the Monkees or N*Sync who badly copied the Stones' mediocre copies of American negro electric blues.

Sometimes popularizing shit or making money doing it can be super-influential even if you weren't the first or the best.

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>>155448650
meh. Still going to have to give 2000s to love hina.

archetype harem girls with zeta bedwetting MC. May not the first, but every one after it tried to copy it's success

Good God, stop arguing about Eva, you fucking idiots.

>>155449582
>Are the Beatles an influential group?
No, just popular like Eva. Next question.

>>155448820
Of course they do. But I lol'd because I thought it as anon meant Flintstones and Scooby-Doo were originally from Japan.

>>155449714
>Beatles not influential

The Monkees were a parody of them, just for starters.

>>155449594
Urusei Yatsura did it way before Love Hina.
You don't see LH cameos in anime nowadays, but you do see Urusei Yatsura over and over. Even the OP was covered by k-pop

>>155451153
Just because one literally who group copied them doesn't mean they were influential

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>>155451177

Tominofags deserve genocide

>>155451177
I dont know. LH was the cookie cutter mold for harems throught the 2000s even if it's not parodied

>>155439505
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Detective Conan, Doraemon, OP's Pic, Saint Seiya, Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon.

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>>155440604
>everyone fucking remembers Ashita no Joe
>nobody gives a single fuck or knows Nori Taka

more for me i guess

>>155451451
That's why the infuence is and was Urusei Yatsura. LH may be a influence but not as the first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWbpq-MU4t4
You don't see these things with LH. Hell does anyone make a cover or cameos with LH? Even some OP/ED hint to Urusei Yatsura.
>>155451583
I found it boring. Ashita no Joe is remembered for something

>>155451659
How do the Plastic people manage to ruin everything?

>>155439505
dragon ball z

>>155441947
Cute girls doing cute things with absolutely zero need for plot or time progression.

>>155440604
>no mention of Papa Tetsujin in 60's
Should be up there with Astro Boy.

>>155440604
I'd agree with this but two exceptions:
>80s
Hokuto No Ken, no contest. Every shonen in the last 30 years copied it to death.

>90s
Could be DBZ or Sailor Moon.

famous or groundbreaking does not mean influential

For example, SD Gundam was massively influential but nobody on /a/ has watched the flood of utter garbage super deformed isekai and rpg gatcha clones in the 80s and 90s

Eva by comparison is only influential for its production model, content-wise there wasn't very many mecha shows that pulled from it.

>>155453279
I actually watched SD Gundam Force and have seen some of Doozy Bots so you're wrong there too.

>Not a single mention of Ghost in the Shell

Come on guys, that's an easy one. Digital animation as we know it owes a lot to GitS for better or for worse.

Honestly, I feel like its impossible to pinpoint a single series when different ones had different impacts on the industry. Its makes more sense to note the two major genre defining series and the one that most impacted the fanbase. As an example

90's: Dragon Ball Z, Sailor Moon and Evangelion

Because DBZ had the biggest impact on shonen, SM had the biggest impact on mahou shojo and Eva had the biggest impact on the media/fans.

>>155457009
nope it's DB rather than DBZ

>>155446484
>>155446637

Girls just aren't that into mecha usually. Source: I'm a grill. Not even attention whoring, I'm giving you a straight fact that the majority of us just aren't that interested in the genre. When I was a kid and Gundam Wing and Big O were on Toonami I'd immediately change the station but come back for Sailor Moon, DBZ and Tenchi and thats how pretty much every girl I've ever known whose into anime was too. I've matured over the years and I'm not completely averse to the genre any more, I'll at least give a show a chance, but its still my least favorite of the choices out there. And I'm not a fujoshi so shipping potential doesn't sway me one way or the other, but you are correct that its what appeals to a lot of female fans. I think that generally speaking, girls are more interested in watching interpersonal relationships and boys are more interested in watching explosions.

>>155441051
>amerifag

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>>155439505
>What is the most influential anime ever?

>>155457460
It depends on the location too, latin america is full of fujos and they love the Gundam for the same reason. Also I've hear that in my country girls liked and understood better Gundam Wings rather than boys.

pan de peace

>>155440629

Actually the correct answer.

>>155457460
Another grill here, I couldn't be more different. I mean, I liked most of the shows on Toonami but Big O was my shit.

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Dragonball

>All the girls want to marry MC or think he is cute
>MC sexually retarded
>The Villain is evil! Well not really
>MC can beat anyone (after he loses)
>MC's parents are dead

>60s
who cares
>70s
who cares
>80s
who cares
>90s
who cares
>00s
who cares
>10s
oreimo

>>155457826

How old were you when the original Toonami was on air? What was it about Big O that you liked so much? Do you consider yourself a tomboy?

>>155458552
The original Toonami block started in 1997 when I was around six years old and ran until I was seventeen. Big O aired when I was around ten years old.

I watched because I thought it looked stylish as heck. It also helped that it was basically Batman with a giant robot since I was also into the DCAU Batman shows at the time.

I was also starting puberty around that time and generally gravitated towards stuff with guys that I had crushes on. It's also why I watched Gundam Wing, come to think of it.

I guess I would have been a tomboy. But honestly I never really thought of my interests as being "masculine" back then.

>>155451257
Okay, just go look up Beatles on Danbooru. Or google "abbey road cover parody". The Beatles were fucking huge. They may not have much resonance today, half a century later, but they most definitely did with our parents' or grandparents' generation and the musical acts back then.

Saying the Beatles weren't influential is almost like saying Eva or Doraemon weren't influential anime.

>>155461842
But if he doesn't like them personally that means they aren't influential!

>>155449714
You dumb idiot

>>155440604
>OP asks for most influential anime ever
>names multiple per decade

Literally Astro Boy

why are you faggots still having this thread?

>>155439505
Cyborg 009

>>155463500
Boredom.

>>155439505
1 Dragon Ball
2 Devilman
3 Evangelion
4 Pokemon
5 Astro Boy
6 Ghist in the shell
7 Black Jack
8 Cowboy beebop
9 One Piece
10 Naruto

>>155439505
Astro Boy, the original Mobile Suit Gundam, Evangelion

>>155440604
>90's
EVA

>00's
Just KyoAni. Haruhi, K-on, fuck it.

>10's
Sword Art Online

>>155465562
>10's
>Sword Art Online

this is actually probably the most correct answer 2bh

Slam Dunk