IBO OST II is out!

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First for Mars needs moms.

Is this a general? You could at least choose a better Gundam to circlejerk over.

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>>155437330
This one just ended is not like there will be more threads

>>155437330
low quality post

>>155436369
Big fucking deal.

Even SEED and AGE have good OSTs.

That is the one thing that is consistently good about Gundam

>>155438010
Difference is that SEED's OST was wasted on a bad show.

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Gaelio would go on to be one half of a very successful Electronic House music duo.

>>155437509
Are you saying that there are no better Gundams to circlejerk over?

>2. Upstart


we New Orleans?

Grand irony of this show is the fact that the whole narrative seemingly aims to criticise Tekkadan for taking shortcuts yet the ending takes the biggest shortcut of the century for an easy way out and a "happy ending."
Free and democratic economies are more effective and prosperous than feudal, militaristic autocracies? No way! Why won't any of the real world autocrats just have that kind of epiphany and fix everything? Why won't child slavery and inequality just disappear from our world? We have enough examples in the free world how good management leads to prosperity and happiness of the populace. Ara ara, why won't people just learn.

>>155440102
You have a point but you type like a retard so I'm going to disagree with you and call you a faggot.

>>155440331
I do have a point. And there's nothing wrong with my typing.

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Coincidentally right after G-Tekketsu ended Kudelia's seiyuu, Yuka Terasaki (33), announced her marriage + pregnancy.
http://ameblo.jp/after-grow/entry-12262091118.html

>>155436483
POTTERY

>>155439193
So the same thing that happened here?

>>155440552
name how the show could have ended any better?

>>155440552
How?

>>155440548
>Kudelia isn't pregnant in the show
Miscarriage confirmed.

>>155440548
Is that a belated marriage announcement or is she only getting married because she got pregnant?

>>155440688
Why does it have to be limited to ending? The series was pretty horrible from the first episode.

>40. The Dignity of Lords

Almost thought I was going to hit by a Dainslef.

>>155440883
How was it horrible and how could it have been better?

EugenexKudelia

>>155440883
because my question only relates to the ending. thats why it has to be limited to the ending.

>>155440973
The previous thread was full of arguing about this one, you can check the archive. Also it's not my responsibility to explain how the series could have been better, it's like asking "how you can improve a pile of shit", even if it couldn't be improved doesn't mean it's perfect because it's a pile of shit.

>>155441072
You were the only one talking about the ending though, while the person you were replying to was clearly talking about the series overall. Instead of arguing why the series wasn't bad you want to argue that the ending couldn't be improved? Seems strange to me.

>>155440973
On top of my head.
Action scenes were weak for the most part, they wasted more of S2's time on characters that went nowhere (ie Hush) that they could've used to help develop more the existing cast. Lack of focus toward built up ones felt wasted.
McGillis going full retard by S2 was somewhat jarring, I get the point, but it really is off considering the difference and at this point anyone would've realised putting their eggs with him was dumb, pacing was fucked in both seasons, S1 had the whole Brewers and Dort arcs while S2 felt somewhat directionless for a lot of it, like bringing up MAs and not going through with it. Orga dying could've had larger impact if he died earlier, would be good to see that destabilisation of their group and their attempts to patch it up.
Dansleifs as much as I enjoyed them, just felt forced in as to justify why Rustal would win, half assing their ban and just felt like beamspam.
The ending for what they wanted to do isn't bad, it's just getting there that was bad.

>>155441122
>Also it's not my responsibility to explain how the series could have been better,
If you're going to shitpost and say the series is shit then you might as well explain why it was.

>>155441205
well he clearly avoided a response because he had no proper answer so it sorta took the wind out of his sails if he couldnt even focus on one aspect of the show.

>>155440548
Well at least Kudelia gets a ham in the oven too in a way.

>>155441910
>McGillis going full retard by S2 was somewhat jarring, I get the point, but it really is off considering the difference and at this point anyone would've realised putting their eggs with him was dumb

The point imo was to show that as cool as McGillis would be, and as much of a schemer as he was, he was both damaged and essentially childish. Rustal pretty much summed him up as someone who "never grew up" and that was his downfall, since he gambled everything on the idea that attaining Bael would grant him automatic victory.

The central theme of the whole series is child exploitation. The young being exploited by old schemers. The series begins that way, the first core ends that way, McGillis' entire personality was formed from it, and ultimately it's what led to his demise.

There's a recurring contrast in the young characters, the kids, relying upon fairy tale allegories like Kudelia in the first season, and McGillis' beloved outlook of the world needing to be run by justice and strength, and knight tales etc. Even Mika and Orga run on a very limited, vague motivation of getting "somewhere" they never specify.

As the series goes on, some characters basically grow up. Kudelia becomes more realistic and less enamored with the Maiden of the Revolution imagery; Gaelio was enamored with pomp and running around with a knight looking Gundam until reality bit him hard...and he changed becoming more weathered and realistic. Yamagi had the foresight and sense of responsibility to actually leave Tekkadan and become just a regular guy, in a sense growing himself.

>Orga dying could've had larger impact if he died earlier,

We already saw the impact it had in the last few episodes. I don't see how it would have been better if he died earlier without his character arc complete.

>Dansleifs as much as I enjoyed them, just felt forced in as to justify why Rustal would win

Nothing wrong with using your own resources to win a fight.

>>155442377
>without his character arc complete
His character arc never really properly resolved. He only learned his lesson in S2 after they lost a bunch of people towards the end, which they could've much better done by Season 1.

>>155441122
>it's shit because I say so
Great argument.

>>155442377
>Gaelio was enamored with pomp and running around with a knight looking Gundam until reality bit him hard...and he changed becoming more weathered and realistic
Gaelio was a delusional revenge obsessed retard whose only purpose in the story turned out to be killing McGillis and paving Rustal's path toward victory.

>Yamagi had the foresight and sense of responsibility to actually leave Tekkadan and become just a regular guy, in a sense growing himself.
It's Takaki you idiot. And none of that had anything to do with his personal growth. He resigned because of his sister, that's literally it. It's a recurring motif, only the people who had some kind of anchor beside Tekkadan (Biscuit, Takaki, Zack) ever thought of resigning. Others had nowhere to go, so they stayed.

>>155439359
>He didn't need to wait all night to get lucky.

>>155442377
Concept was fine but execution was the problem really. They could've easily condensed this down without having to pad it out.
Arianrhod only had two aces (if you can say Julietta was only really implied since they just shat on her a lot with her MS) and in the world where beamspam was gone, it felt like they just needed to add it in as to even the field for this end because at that point Mika was an unstoppable force in universe.
>Yamagi
You mean Takagi, right?

>>155442841
>You mean Takagi, right?
Yeah got them mixed up.

>>155441026
Kudelia will marry Akatsuki in a few years.

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>>155443085
>Few
At minimum she will have to wait ten years

>>155443379
She can just reverse mating press him while he grows up. I bet she fondles his child dick when she's alone with him.

>>155442182
More like I'm tired of posting the same thing again and again.
The show never properly develops it's characters. Over half of S1 was a road trip to earth at a snail's pace with characters repeating stuff they said the last episode and Kudelia switching back and forth between "I'm useless" and "I'm determined".
Since they joined Teiwaz and Turbines they switched to easy mode. In fact the show treats them like the underdogs yet they breeze through almost everything. For an amazing military force even if in decline, the antagonists are a complete joke with Mika curbstomping them in the same boring manner in every encounter never developing tension.
Kudelia becomes determined suddenly because Fumitan died. Never shown why she's SUGOI, she's SUGOI just because.
Tekkadan makes retarded ass decisions but the show sucks their dick and they get out unscathed.
The Dort arc in it's entirety.
Sensible characters or characters that get even just a little amount of good development are either forgotten and put in the background or written off.
For the MC, Mika is almost completely devoid of development and is 99% the same as when the show started. I heard people say that he's supposed to be static or it's because he didnt grow up correctly. He's was just a murder machine that offered nothing else while there were plenty of chances to develop him. Maybe it's right that he's supposed to be that way but he's dull, unengaging and unsympathetic, a quite terrible choice for an MC.
The antagonists spend quite a lot of time inactive or doing nothing.
Retarded plot conveniences to create character drama or save Tekkadan's ass.
The S1 finale was absolutely terrible.
A few points from above are valid only for S1 but a lot of them carry into S2.
cont.

>>155444830
The show is padded as hell and tries to extend itself when it lacks the sustenance to do it yet in the end a whole lot of characters have rushed development, are not developed at all or amount to nothing despite having quite a lot of screen time, Hush, a lot of Tekkadan's recurring characters, Jullieta.
It presents elements that never play into anything yet it takes time to focus on them.
McGillis went full retard and that could play into him being a manchild but it was a terrible switch from the smart schemer he was shown to be.
This awkward switch is because there's quite a lot of contrast between the feeling of each season. In S1 Tekkadan survives things that they shouldnt and almost everything goes right for them, a heavy contrast in the gritty realism the show tried to sell, yet in S2 everything goes completely wrong for them which while correct shows how out of place S1 was.

As for the ending it was feels like they tried to shoehorn a "happy" ending for Tekkadan in order to make their deaths not in vain with Rustal going along with Mars independece, Julietta sympathizing with Tekkadan and Tekkadan finding regular jobs when they are still criminals and were normal enough to bail out earlier.
I admit the points above feel disjointed and are more of a list but they were expanded in previous threats and I've seen other points presented by other people that I also agree with but didnt write down.

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>>155444184
>I bet she fondles his child dick when she's alone with him

>>155444867
>In S1 Tekkadan survives things that they shouldnt and almost everything goes right for them, a heavy contrast in the gritty realism the show tried to sell, yet in S2 everything goes completely wrong for them which while correct shows how out of place S1 was
That was very noticeable and incredibly weird.

>>155442936
>Seems like you missed the whole point but ok. That's one way to look at the point of his character.
Changes to gaelio's character were borderline cosmetic, some naivety was lost, but his main motivation remained the same as through most of S1 - revenge. He got his revenge and it never even came back at him. That's some bullshit from a series which put every single revenge seeking character six feet under to drive home the point that "revenge is pointless." Including Orga who picked up the lesson before he even attempted his revenge, and Akihiro who was dying while executing his to hammer it down some more.

>Gaelio was enamored with pomp and running around with a knight looking Gundam until reality bit him hard...and he changed
He changed into a chuuni running around in an edgy gundam named after a god of revenge and living in his personal "Look at me McGillis!!" bubble. Weathered and realistic my fucking ass, don't make me laugh.

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16 and pregnant, what a life!

>>155436369
I don't remember a scene where this track was fully played.

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Honestly, seeing a movie about Agnika Kaeru kicking MA ass would wash the bad taste of IBO's ending. Bael was a criminally underused suit, alongside others like Flauros. It'd be nice seeing other frames too.

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Reminder that Shino was BI and would haven't have opposed to Yamagi's erection in this scene.

>>155449053
>Bael was a criminally underused suit
Literally everything not named Barbartos/Graze.

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>>155449174
Please, in the end Yamagi wasn't gay and Atra wasn't pregnant!

>>155449451
I'll always love this storyline for showing how fucking retard the no-homo group is.

>>155446691
The whole S2 was a huge Gaelio wank. Literally every plot point in this season aligned itself for Gaelio's maximum convenience. His alliance with Rustal, McGillis losing his mind, Julietta/Iok plot armour, Tekkadan slipping on a banana peel. Literally everything. His sister even conveniently stopped existing so he didn't have to worry about reconciling with her and could devote all of his time to his new waifu.

Which is the track that plays at the middle/end of the 2nd PV?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8tHqYrzf34

>>155449767
This ?
https://youtu.be/mSZrH76B0mo

>>155450042
Thanks m8

>>155440379
Not him but you broke the word wrap.

>>155450414
>"because he's Shino not because he's a guy, Yamagi doesn't know his sexual orientation."
What? They literally never said that. That was Kudelia's VA trying to make a positive statement about love.

Also they literally called Shino's Bi which it's more dangerous since they sell gunpla of shit shit.

I wonder if Sunrise still expects people will support this show. A/Z utterly tanked after its shitfest of an ending and this wasn't much different.

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In the end Kudelia become what everyone thoughjt she would become Kuckdelia

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>>155451972
Hush dodge the bullet, Akatsuki is Kudelia wife son now!

>>155449353
I have a feeling they focused on Barbatos the most since it would've made Mika's last stand have an impact on the audience more. Heck it wouldn't even be long winded to say Akatsuki might find a dug up Barbatos and get it fixed and under a new design if they ever make a sequel.

>>155440688
>>155440747
Even SEED is better than IBO.
Destiny is also better up until episode 38, where Luna goes full retard for Shinn. IBO is still better than that plot development.

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*dainsleifs your path*

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>>155456575
You're living on borrowed time, old man.

All Gundams get a movie. This ain't over yet, Rustalfags.

>>155456751
There's a reason they didn't show teen Almiria.

>>155456786
Almiria's Counter attack.feat Rideu

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THIS RIDE NEVER ENDS

>>155456751
>All Gundams get a movie
They do? G Reco's movie will take a few years more and the IBO staff said in the event they don't have plans for anything IBO related but if fans keep buying their stuff they would maybe do something

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>>155451552
A/Z got a perfect ending.

new AU series when?

>>155456945
They were too early for the overt fujo revolution

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What could have been

>>155457047
>They were too early for the overt fujo revolution
More like they just sucked at it. A/Z wasn't overly fujo despite what people may think.

It's just that Slaine has the most fuckboy design of ALL TIMES.

>>155457101
Even if he wasn't a total cripple, Mika would still be a shitty father.

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Anyone else thought it was weird that Mika never talk about having a baby with Atra to Orga? They were like brothers but Mika never said a thing

>>155457176
It might have held Orga back from the full out fight

>>155456902
>if fans keep buying their stuff they would maybe do something
It's dead Jim, IBO practically suicided by fucking over most of the characters people actually cared about and excessively jerking off Gaelio. Gaeliofags do not make an entire fanbase, and most people are pissed about the preferential treatment.

>>155457101
;_; this is the only thing i hoped to see in just before watching final episode

>>155449053
those 3 actually look like cool characters why didn't we get this instead of IBO

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>>155457228
People wanted more IBO thats why they asked in the event tho. Maybe they just want to see Akatsuki fucking shit up

>>155457414
The fact that Mika and Akatsuki never met pains my heart, atleast Akatsuki won't be as autistic as his father since he has parents to look after him.

>>155442653
The high point of Tekkadan was at the beginning of S2. If they had sold all their assets and company, they could have just quit and used the money to fund education, job hunts, and maybe forge some paperwork as necessary. They didn't have that many members and all along their only real goal was (supposedly) to own a farm.

I agree with him about one of the major themes being "Ambition/Childishness". Mika, Orga, McGillis, S1-Kudelia, and even Hush have no end game plans. No practical goals or desires. They just sort of want some ambivalent hope or dream, such as being the "kings of mars" or "muh Bael" and except reality to kind of fall in place once they have enough power.

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Reminder that Akatsuki sees Kudelia as a friendly stranger and not as a family member since he calls her by her name and not "mother"

>>155457848
Hush really got shafted. He died for nothing.

>>155457747
>two dykes
>parents

Not even the court agrees with you.

>>155457559
>People wanted more IBO thats why they asked in the event tho
No they didn't. Audience had no voice during the event. All the questions have been prepared in advance before anybody had seen the last ep and read out by the voice actors. After the giant fuck you on an ending to anyone who isn't a gjallarhornfag, who's gonna want to see more?

>>155436369
Gundam always consistently has OST that is good and memorable. Even to spinoff that nobody cared like SD Gundam Three Kingdoms

>>155458533
>who's gonna want to see more?
It would surprised you how many people want a season 3. Personally i think the show wrap up pretty well so i don't feel the need of a season 3 or even a movie

>>155457848
>Gaelio sees no further than revenge on McGillis
>Julietta just sort of wants to be of use to Rustal
>whatever the fuck did Rustal want, nobody knows, save for the nebulous "keep Gjallarhorn role as the protector of piece"
None of that precise goal lacking is exclusive to the protagonists.

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>>155453540
>Akihiro after killing Iok goes and kills more Graze before dying
>no onscreen fight again
Fuck Barbatos.
>>155457438
Because it's still within the "nothing happening stage" plot wise and on hiatus
>>155456786
https://twitter.com/ryuseinokazu/status/849226950170132480
>>155456751
Keep dreaming.

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>that earing
I hope Rustal-sama doesn't notice Kudelia's Tekkadan-themed jewelry, that'd be bad publicity.

>>155458810
top left good looking
top right bad looking
bottom left bad looking
bottom right good looking
wew the balance has been reversed

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>>155458688
The popular characters are dead, Gaelio without Ein or McGillis is nothing.

>>155458688
I dont want to see a season 3 but i wouldnt mind more in this world, i think this is the first gundam world in a while that would have enough potential to have more stories either as a prequel or sequel

>>155458723
akihiro didnt fight more grazes, he was fucking dead right as iok died cause he was basically triple impaled.

>>155458810
rustal did know she knew tekkadan and its implied he recognized eugene and the others as ex-members. He just has no reason to go after them anymore, the only reason he did was due to their alliance with mcgillis.

>>155458720
Gaelio's revenge was a practical goal which he worked to and, successfully, executed. There was no fairy tail ending. He wanted him dead and he died.

Rustal is just doing his job.

Julietta was a Kudelia-like character who was in the wrong and learned her lesson. Her entire character was designed to be someone "living her life incorrectly".

The point of the story was to grab onto whats in front of you and to find happiness in real things. Dreams should be tangible, like having a child, buying a house, or owning a business. Atra finds happiness in being with Mika and she lives. Julietta no longer lives just to become more powerful, she has Gaelio and seems to care about her career. Kudelia is working on her lofty ideals step by step now.

>>155458688
>It would surprised you how many people want a season 3
A few retards on /a/ and /m/ who watnt to see Ride fuck shit up don't count. And I'm pretty sure Ride being that way is just another heavy handed metaphor for Tekkadan being baaad, and how staying in the vengeful mindset stuck in the past is also baaad. Some might want to see Rustal's fall, but if Ride's situation is anything to go by, itd just be "shit gets even worse for Tekkadan survivors" kind of plot.

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Animage is having a special ending feature with interviews with the VAs of Orga, Mika, Kudelia and Atra

>>155459109
Nice, when its coming out

>>155457163
Yeah, Mika was almost totally dead inside.

He'd probably start giving the kid combat training at age 3.

It's kind of a better world without him around.

>>155459035
>Gaelio's revenge was a practical goal which he worked to and, successfully, executed. There was no fairy tail ending. He wanted him dead and he died.
What did he do besides having plot armor and chillin' in Rustal's place? McGillis was on a suicide mission in his final battle, the only difference was McGillis could have taken Rustal to the grave with him.
>Julietta was a Kudelia-like character who was in the wrong and learned her lesson. Her entire character was designed to be someone "living her life incorrectly".
What did she learn? Having pity on child soldiers from her secure position, claiming she killed a dead boy and doing nothing to stop the corrupt man she serves?

>>155436483
So I just realized something

they must have taken Mika's bracelet off of his corpse

isn't it sort of unsanitary to give your son the bracelet that was probably on Mika's rotting body for days if not weeks? Who knows how long it took to get Atra and the rest to get back to Tekkadan's ruins.

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>>155459193
>>155457163
>The third one is something I remember better, mainly because it was easier to follow. It was between Mika and Atra. Mika asked, "Do you think we made a baby?" And Atra said, "It's too soon to say." Atra said something about how she wanted to tie Mika down because one day, he might disappear. Since Mika wondered if he'd be a good dad, they talked about what being a parent is like, and Atra said that a parent is there for you, makes warm meals for you, shares your joys and sorrows, waits for you when you're out, etc.
>Then they discussed naming the baby. Atra wanted it to be named Cordelia if it was a girl, because it sounded like Kudelia, and she respects Kudelia immensely. She asked Mika to decide on a name for a boy. Mika suggested Orga (IIRC, this side story happened before Orga died), but Atra said to think of something different. Mika suggested "oyasan," to which Atra asked, "You mean Yukinojo?" But no - Mika, dork that he is, literally thought of naming the kid Oyasan. Atra was like, "Oyasan Augus... what kind of name is that?"

Atra talked with Mika about what a being a prent means so i doubt he would do that.

>>155459035
>Gaelio's revenge was a practical goal which he worked to and, successfully, executed. There was no fairy tail ending. He wanted him dead and he died.
It was a hardly admirable goal and showed Gaelio as a short sighted and an otherwise aimless person. Proves how he had literally no role in the reform.

>Rustal is just doing his job.
As were most of the Tekkadan members. And that's not enough for someone who's ambition is to lead.

>Julietta was a Kudelia-like character who was in the wrong and learned her lesson. Her entire character was designed to be someone "living her life incorrectly".
Please, as shit as they both were, Julietta didn't have the fraction of Kudelia's independant agency. "Muh Rustal" and "muh sword" is what constituted most o her character.

>Dreams should be tangible
That's fundamentally untrue. People are allowed to dream of whatever the hell they wish, that's the first lesson on how to be successful and not limit yourself to mundane existence.

>>155458950
Not to mention the last minute nohomo that probably soured most of the fujos to his character.

>>155459445
>People are allowed to dream of whatever the hell they wish, that's the first lesson on how to be successful and not limit yourself to mundane existence.

This is a wasted argument. I agree with you but its not the theme the show is presenting.

>As were most of the Tekkadan members.
Not true at all. When the members were presented with the opportunity to leave their place of employment, only Zack and like 6 other people tried to leave, even among the people who joined in S2. That was the whole point of Hush/Zack. Tekkedan was some kind of majestic, beacon of hope for them. And thats what they did wrong. They didn't see it as an opportunity or a job. They saw it as something more.


>>155459352
>What did she learn?
She went from "my only desire is to be Rustal's Sword" to an aspiring officer/politician who is also in a relationship with a cripple. Basically she became a multifaceted human being with real life goals.


>>155459352
>What did he do besides having plot armor and chillin' in Rustal's place
Its not about agency. Orga has plenty of Agency throughout the show and he is very very clearly making poor, ridiculous decisions. The show is trying to portray some decisions, goals, and desires and childish and bad.

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>>155459636
>>155459636
Gaelio and Macky were never homos tho. Gaelio just suffered from the classic Anime obsession over his rival and Macky liked Almiria. Now Gaelio will fill Julieta's belly with meat forever

>>155458969
>I dont want to see a season 3 but i wouldnt mind more in this world
Agreed. The no-beam weapons, heavily fleet-based atmosphere definitely feels different from most gundams.

Ride's hitman shenanigans, Takaki legislature adventures and Fedora Azee were all kind of left unspoken at the end too.

>>155459876
Even if he is straight the 99% of his fans are fujos who ship him with Ein or Choco. Fujos aren't stopped by canon straight relationships.

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>>155460084
True

>>155456751
Rustal did literally nothing wrong and killing him would be petty and personal

>>155460174
Kimaris a best

>we never saw Graze Ein and Kimaris Vidar teaming up
>Macky in Bael never fought with Mika properly

>>155459876
Gaelio's existence in S2 boils down to three purposes:
>sell gunpla
>be a plot device
>be homobait for the fujo market

It's worth noting that him and Ein were not suppsoed to appear in S2 originally and were both brought back for fanservice. Gealio is done.

>>155460352
Gaelio killing McGillis was petty and personal, I don't see the problem with Rustal getting karma back for all his illegal and underhanded methods.

>>155460517
>karma
You're being childish

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>>155459366
And Mika decided to commit suicide by cop rather than do that shit.

>>155459835
>Tekkedan was some kind of majestic, beacon of hope for them. And thats what they did wrong. They didn't see it as an opportunity or a job. They saw it as something more.
Zack trying to leave is symptomatic, he's one of the few people who had a place to fall back to. And yes, that is how Tekkadan is viewed by the youth of Mars. The constant hammering that Tekkadan is a place for people who have literally nowhere to go wasn't enough for you? That was the point of Dane's character. It's not meant to be something bad though, it's just to show the difference between how they're received by groups of different social standings. According to Ogawa adults and well situated people don't see Tekkadan like that and consider them dangerous, but there are different points of view depending on your situation.
And yes most of the people in Tekkadan are mostly focused on doing their job. Whenever Orga isn't dragging them to do revolutions, of which most of the core group, even Shino, were sceptical of, they are mostly doing their daily rutine to better their lives little buy little. As said by Ogawa most of them either participates in charity or invests their earning in improving their HQ.

>Julietta
>multifaceted anything
Top kek.

>>155460576
How so? Rustal himself admits he's a shitty person and as someone with a lot of power, he will always be a target. Whether Ride or someone else succeeds is left to be seen.

>>155460472
>>155460472
>It's worth noting that him and Ein were not suppsoed to appear in S2 originally and were both brought back for fanservice. Gealio is done.
S2 sucked at fanservice though.

>>155459835
>They saw it as something more.
They saw it as all they had left.

>>155459035
>revenge
>practical

>>155459035
>You're being childish
Said Rustal to Gaelio never.

>>155460743
He's the president, he'll leave his spot soon.

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>>155460517
Personal? Damn right.
Petty? No.

People seem to forget that Gaelio spent months observing McGillis actions before concluding that his so-called revolution is nothing but a power grab. Only then did he decide to take real action against him, when he had his answer.

Which is why people giving Gaelio shit about betraying their ideals is ridiculous. Because he literally waited for McGillis to betray them first before ending his shit.

>>155460776
Intentions and execution are in the end two diferent things.

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>>155457176
>Anyone else thought it was weird that Mika never talk about having a baby with Atra to Orga?
Most of the Tekkadan has been horribly underwritten all season, are you surprised?

>>155460662
>adults and well situated people don't see Tekkadan like that

Are you fucking stupid? Did you even watch the second season? The adults ended up being correct.

Orga is portrayaed very, very poorly throughout the entirety of it. Orga is probably the most blatant fuck-up in the entire show for getting swept along with Mika and Macky, who are just tragically broken but abnormally high functioning in certain circumstances. Every time Orga pioneers an idea or cause, you should probably realize the writers are shitting on it.

It portrays Tekkadan's members in a positive light in the same way people portray little kids wanting to be Superman in a positive light. Its innocent but also sad, because it never could have succeeded. It was fundamentally at odds with reality.

>>155460794
Its not impractical to want to stop or kill someone. Thats a very achievable goal, especially in the context of a coup d'etat.

>>155460832
>People seem to forget that Gaelio spent months observing McGillis actions before concluding that his so-called revolution is nothing but a power grab. Only then did he decide to take real action against him, when he had his answer.
Horseshit. It's nothing but a poor excuse for him doing nothing for 3/4 of the season. He always knew the answer, and in the end it all boiled down to "Look at me McGillis!" anyway. No mention of lust for power or anything, only that McGillis notices him. Gaelio's motivations are a fucking mess.

Can we talk about how shitty Kudelia is?
>literally accepts money from the mafia to pay for child soldiers
>lol she opened an orphanage later so it's ok

>>155460472
>It's worth noting that him and Ein were not suppsoed to appear in S2 originally and were both brought back for fanservice.
[citation needed]

>Everyone still missing that one of the biggest themes of IBO is revenge and how it can consume you
Season 1 laid down the lesson with Ein. Ein was consumed by his desire for revenge and died as a result, having accomplished nothing. Tekkadan didn't learn that lesson, and their drive for revenge ultimately destroyed them just like it destroyed Ein.
Gaelio tiptoed along the edge, but managed to not fall into the abyss.

>>155461265
Gaelio didn't fall thanks to Ein, plot armor and being a device made to ruin McGillis

>>155458810
He noticed, and paired with what she said to him, that's why he and Julieta gave her those looks.
Julieta was angry that Kudelia pretty much just spat in Rustal's face, but Rustal was impressed by how big her balls were.

>>155460929
What does it have to do with anything I wrote. It's a matter of perspective, the kids from the slums see Tekkadan as their saviour, that's a fact. None of those adults gave a fuck about their lives so they grasp whatever they can to get by.

It's also funny and sad that the show had to resort to plot conveniences, plot armour and a completely broken weapon to shit on any of their ideals. Yeah you showed them IBO! Too bad you also had to break the entire set of rules you imposed upon yourself to to so.

>>155461265
Gaelio recovered because he forgave McGilis

>>155459356
Atra could've just made a new one that looks like Mika's

>>155461486
He still killed him though, and he was in a favorable position of having the person who wronged him be someone whom he was obsessed with from the start. Nobody else had this kind of advantage.

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MUH BAEL McGillis was a whole lot more entertaining than S1 McGillis. My favorite moment has to be when he tries to pull his charismatic brainwashing stunt on Mika who just shuts him up. I'm just disappointed that we didn't see him go completely delusional earlier.

>>155461609
Gaelio killing McGillis settles their score because he already died once.

>>155461265
>Tekkadan didn't learn that lesson, and their drive for revenge ultimately destroyed them just like it destroyed Ein.
Actually, Orga already learnt the lesson by the time Aniki got killed, it was Akihiro who pushed him over the edge.

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>>155461623
He was being Chuuni in s1 too, it's just that we didn't know yet that it's because he's autistic rather than just bad writing.

>>155461649
Setting a score is no different from giving in to revenge.

>>155446691
Quick question. Why in the fuck did Akihiro see killing Iok as some kind of OH MUH GOD MUST NEEDED REVENGE!! ?

He barely fucking knew the people Iok killed and he's never personally interacted with the retard.

If he had flashbacks of Lafter sobbing and inconsolable over her hubby/fathers death or he, in his final moments saw Iok as the one who personally set the stage for her dying or even pulling the trigger then yeah sure.

But nothing. It felt like the author just wanted to kill the guy because they were upset their pet character died.

>>155461427
>completely broken weapon to shit on any of their ideals

The Deinsleif is such a completely appropriate weapon for their demise. Its straightforward, practical, and most importantly, completely unfair. It requires no skill whatsoever. Its not majestic or cool. Its nothing more than a really big, really sharp stick being thrown really fast. Its the exact opposite of a gundam in every way.

>that's a fact
Its also a fact that a large portion of them die.

>>155453473
I think they killed him for lesbian moms ending.

>>155461742
>Bad writing is such a completely appropriate means for their demise. Its straightforward, practical, and most importantly, completely unfair. It requires no skill whatsoever.

>>155460968
>If I don't like something, it's bad writing, even if it makes sense.
Whatever you say, dude.
We know from his conversations with Rustal and McGillis that Gaelio tried till the very end to fully understand McGillis motives, of course being noticed by him in return being the end goal.

But he only pledged himself to Rustal when he saw the extent of his chuunism and MUH BAEL! That was the point he could safely conclude that Macky wasn't working for anybody's benefit but his own.

>>155461975
In what way was the Deinsleif shitty writing? Its very thematically appropriate.

>>155461741
Akihiro and Shino's deaths were both forced and stupid, they just wanted them dead by any which means available but couldn't be bothered to come up with really convincing reasons.

>>155445446
That's because most of the problems Tekkadan faced can be solved with brute force. Second season's problem was mostly political in nature. They became players/pawns in the so called 'game of thrones' and Tekkadan cannot into politics. Without Kudelia or Biscuit, there wasn't much they could do.

>>155462130
Kill yourself fujoshit

>>155457228
You make it sound like they can't just bring back dead people through outright retcons.

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>>155462243
bring back the shitty "long lost brother" plot device from s1

>>155462099
Please tell us how exactly did Gaelio gather intel on McGillis by standing in the fucking hangar all the time? Do they communicate telepathically? Gaelio had all the anserws he needed because McGillis fucking told him himself in ep 25. He knew McGillis wanted to create a power vacuum, he knew McGillis wanted to be on top of Gjallarhorn. And he knew what he's capable of by vitnessing Carta's death. He had all the information he needed to make his move and confront McGillis, In the end it was all about their personal conflict "Look at me McGillis!" anyway. Which could have been achieved literally by a simple confrontation in a hallway. They had to draw this out for drama and gunpla.

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>>155462192
How about you.

>>155462112
Inconsistent and broken.

>>155462310
I said dead people like a certain pilot from Seed. Because holy fuck, that was such a blatant retcon.

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The good end

>>155462192
But the fujoshit is right. They were extremely forced hammy deaths. The same with Biscuit and Lafter too.

>>155462430
>>155462621
Who could be behind these posts?

>>155462430
Cute.

>>155462654
Go ahead and share with us the profound influence over the plot and characters the deaths of Shino and Akihiro had? Akihiro was them literally cleaning out the scrap after the battle. And Shino's had zero effect on the plot or remaining characters. Both were also perfectly avoidable without any changes for the overall ending.

>>155460929
>Its not impractical to want to stop or kill someone. Thats a very achievable goal, especially in the context of a coup d'etat.
You've reached a point where you believe so strongly in your own interpretation of the narrative it's making you spout nonsense, kind of like mcGillis.

>>155463061
>t-they didn't NEED to die.
They also didn't need to live.

>>155462192
I'm not a fujo you fag!

Look these characters were liked and people saw potential in them. They gave them no development and shitty deaths.
That basically kills the show outright.

They could have at least had Akihiro do the whole breaks his limiters thing and go berserk on that mafia fag who killed lafter and died while tearing apart the ship. I mean goddamn. The fuck did he do after the whole incident? Stand around and occasionally and say something pointless. He barely participated in battles.

>>155463084
The only one who really didn't need to live was Gaelio "I like only for revenge" Bauduin.

>>155463275
Almiria pls go

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>>155462654
>Who could be behind these posts?
Nagai himself.

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All Tekkadans were missuses this season, most of them didn't have a storyline and sat around waiting to die basically.

Shino is probably the most obvious example, nothing came out of the Ein bot and he sit around banging whores in background until episode 20.

I also find puzzling that they gave charcters like CHAD more screentime than Eugene.

>>155463973
Personally i'am glad both Dante and Chad got more screentime. But yeah i kind of a gree with you. Thats what happenes when the cast is so big. At least everyone got ONE good moment each

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I downloaded and started watching 00 as soon as IBO ended and been enjoying it a lot so far.

>>155457176
>Orga, I think I put a ham in Atra.
>...okay?
They had a lot of things on their plate. Mika probably didn't want to pile on anything more until he was sure ham was on the menu.

>>155461185
Maybe one of the recent interviews. I saw twitter talking about it too. Large portions of the S2 script had to be rewritten and restructured because of the last minute addtion of Gaelio. Maybe that's why the story flow was so janky.
It makes sense though, literally everything about Gaelio in S2 was contained within its own separate space with the new characters and created a huge imballance of force between Rustal and McGillis. It's speculated McGillis was actually supposed to take out Rustal while soloing the fleet originally and without gaelio to stop him he'd have succeeded. All gaelio did was adding bitterness to the ending because it gave Rustal such a huge advantage over McGillis.

>>155464651
Enjoy it while you still can. It's all downhill from that point on.

>>155464819
Unless you link to an actual proof, I really don't think we can take half the speculation seriously.

>>155464946
Source is VA chat with Matsukaze during the Last Flag event. Gaelio was mostly brought back on the grounds of his popularity and they sat on the decision for a very long time.

Also explains why Vidar sat in the hangar for so long. Julietta was supposed to be Rustal's only ace.

>>155465083
>>155460472
>>155461185
>>155464819
>>155465155
>Source is VA chat with Matsukaze during the Last Flag event.
wha the fuck are you talking about. They never said anything like that at the event

>>155465298
Prove it? Someobdy pulled him out and specifically talked to him about S2, maybe it wasn't in the official part, but that's what I get from twitter.

>>155465379
There is a summry around with everything that was said at the event

Last one I watched was 00, is this one good?

>>155465546
Not really but shitposting about it with /a/ was fun

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>>155459366
I’m sure Mika could have been a decent dad, if he wasn’t completely cripple, at the end of S2 the guy was broken getting killed was merciful

>>155465546
S1 was average at best

S2 was good and ended perfectly

>【Iron Ra】 Thank you for voting for the perfume project of members of Tetsuwa Family! Based on your opinion, the characters to which perfume is produced are determined as "Olga Ittska" and "Norva Sino"! It is scheduled to manufacture complete order. For details on the program page (Figaro)
What would Shino perfume smell like?

>>155466517
since he's a rat, shit.

>>155459835
>This much reaching and rationalization to try to describe a shitty story
Sasuga, IBOfags.

>>155466517
Musk, musk, and more musk.

>>155466782
Work on your comebacks.

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>>155466033
>if he wasn’t completely cripple
This here is key. Mika never had a chance, his only viable future left was as a weapon.

If he was somehow functional... He'd be a good dad but bad role model in most ways. He'd always win the my dad could beat up your dad fights though.

Don't forget that murder midget jr. would have all of Tekkadan as uncles and role models though.

>>155464819
>It's speculated McGillis was actually supposed to take out Rustal while soloing the fleet originally and without gaelio to stop him he'd have succeeded.
This is the dumbest thing that could have happened though. There's no way it was ever going to be like this.

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>>155467176
Its ok, most of Tekkadan guys are genuinely good guys, I’m sure the kid will have a nice life

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>>155462529
Just stay dead

>>155467349
Who drew all these fan arts? Nips? I though they hated IBO

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Cute widow!

>>155467349
How does Atra earn money to support this kid?

>>155467765
IBO has a metric fuckton of fanart from the nips and the gunpla is selling like crazy apparently. So I don't get the whole "even they hated it" thing.

>>155468099
Runs a farm, the leader of her planet funds her, all the Tekkadan survivors are probably a part of his life too.

>>155468099
Kudelia

>>155468099
the queen dyke of mars provides for them

>>155436483
Slowpoke here, just got caught up with the last 8 episodes of this shit.
Kudelia should have had his babies too. It wouldn't have been a problem if she hid him.

>>155468197
Liking designs and fujo shipping doesn't mean they like the show. Everyone in the country draws Hestia hentai, but none of them actually watch the show.

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>>155467765
Everyone loves quality Atra, anon.

>>155466517
I can't tell how popular Shino is realistically

>>155468332
Half the fanart isn't even fujoshit tho

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>>155468358
Yep

>>155467765
>>155468197
>>155468332
I'd honestly love to see some statistics on what the nips thought of the show.

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Any confirmation of an ova?

>>155468429
kek that's adorable

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Atra always looked great, but now she looks fantastic.

>>155468429
Please tell me that is from that official event.

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>>155468612
Yes it is.

>>155465379
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/comments/630qgy/my_event_report_of_the_last_flag_long_post_second/
I don't see anything of that sort. And quite honestly, I really don't see them actually answering that question if it ever came up, if they even allow it to be asked in the first place.

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>>155468233
Also unless their personal accounts got confiscated, weren’t Mika and Atra saving money with Kudelia help and having no idea what to do with it?

>>155468516
It's typically normal for any Gundam series to get a movie or an ova, even if it's just a compilation of the TV run. It's whether or not it's new content, that's the real question.

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>>155468612
Yeah it’s from the Last Flag event

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>>155468653
They are great.

>>155468802
I would imagine the money that Mika got back when Tekkadan was profiting massively, is more than enough to support Atra several times over.

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>>155468653
Best boy, 1/100 Full city never, right?

I honestly don't understand why people don't like this series, it's fucking great.

What did you people want, more lasers?

>>155469094
I feel like Bandai's been slowing down on the IBO stuff lately.

>>155469150
I just want a MG Barbatos. If they can give us almost every main Gundam from non UC shows, including a million Setsuna suits, then surely 1 Barbie is reasonable

>>155469133
Anon, you should be able to tell when /a/ is being contrarian about the stuff that they watch.

>>155469263
No, this series is actually just shit.

>>155469328
Now you're just being a tsundere. Stop that. You will never be the little girl no matter how hard you try.

>>155469133
Two can play that game. I honestly don't understand why people like this series, it's just terrible.

>>155469133
>>155469524
Maybe you should kiss?

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>>155469094
>Local gundam goes awoo

Rip, you magnificent gendum

>>155468099
Farming and Jew money are enough

>>155468332
>>155467765
Stop listening to /m/ stupid

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>>155468099
She could always please old men for money, but its unlikely Kudealia can take care of that…

>>155469420
>No one could possibly hate it this much since I liked it
>I can't fathom that because it would mean I might just like eating shit
Just keep pushing the bad thoughts down.

>>155470031
I just read 2ch threads where they laugh about how shit Nagai and Okada are.

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Will miss IBO. My first and probably last Gundam Anime i'll ever watch mainly because i hate laser shit.

>>155471006
Shit taste on every front

>>155471006
Nothing will convince me this isn't bait.

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>>155468611
In the end Atra was one of the winners in this thing, yeah her dear Mika die, but without Orga not sure how things would have ended, still knew The Pleasure of Being Cummed Inside, got a child out of it, got the farm and it’s now living a calm and happy life

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Justice for Shino.

"Don't rock the boat too much."
That's what this story boils down to, and it's fucking awful. What a waste of time.

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>>155449174
The signs were there.

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>>155472040
And he didn't even love her. Appalling.

>>155468099
Prostitution.

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>>155472941
Even greater reason for him to die, jokes aside Mika didn't have any idea of what was love and Atra wasn't far behing, both were simply improvising

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>>155472892
The official render of Shino looks like shit, he looks like a butch lesbian. It has nothing of his handsomeness manliness.

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>>155473472
He can be the butch to Yamagi's femme.

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>>155473472
I like it, he looks cute and young. The style is soft and round for a change.

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>>155474332
Right is fine, left looks like shit. Plus Shino is not soft he's a MAN who people who can appreciate a fine man.

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>>155474369
I like both. And he's supposed to be like sixteen on that left one, he's barely gotten his first fuzz on his face.

>>155461623
>I'm just disappointed that we didn't see him go completely delusional earlier
But we did.

>>155436483
He looks like his father, disgusting

>>155469133
>What did you people want, more lasers?
Competent execution. This show is a fat lot of nothing riding on memes.

DANSLEIF TEAM, FIRE.

>>155461623
>My favorite moment has to be when he tries to pull his charismatic brainwashing stunt on Mika who just shuts him up.
Mackie just wanted to befriend him since he is Mika's number one fan.
Did you not see how dejected he looked when Mika told him to fuck off?
It was right after that he went full chuuni and kamikazee'd Rustal by himself.

>>155476961
>McGillis heard that every night until he was 14

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Itou Yuu bonus card for Vol. 4.

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>>155478947
And for Vol. 5.

>>155456626
Terrible, it's current year she's not an old Chinese woman, wtf is up wit those footbone crushing shoes.

>>155478966
>he died just so people could cheer for a cheap death

>>155479258
Julietta should have died with him. Rustal should have died to McGillis. Someone else should be the one to make the reforms.

>>155456945
>that one fujo with delusional ideas about the ending keeps bringing up A/Z in these threads
Color me fucking surprised

>>155478966
>they turned Iok into a Yuna

For shame.

>>155442544
>>155442028
You have a ton of explanations even in this thread though, which you didn't even argue against but totally ignored.

>>155479368
He should've died to McGillis two episodes prior.
Have him die but whatever they tried to do with his "development" was put to good use in the process. Wasted screentime.

>>155440798
supposedly she's been married for a year and just got pregnant now hence the announcement, of course she announces after the show so it won't affect it

>>155478947
>>155478966
Do you know if there are scans of the previous volumes anywhere?

>>155468429
how many toe nail clippings did that take

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>>155467765
>I though they hated IBO

Barbatos is in the cover of the next Gundam game, they wouldn't put it there if it triggered fans.

>>155468099

She doesn't, Kudelia is banking both the widow and her child out of her pockets.

>>155459356
Evil scientist take out Mika brain to make more pseudoAV system

>>155479368
This. The fact she didn't die in the fight with Barbatos was bullshit. Mace-chan should have bashed her face in.

>>155485654
That wasn’t bullshit, surviving a blow like that is possible, what was bullshit is that Mika didn’t finish her off the moment he realize she was alive

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>>155479469
t. assblasted hetfag mad the princesses both lost

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>>155442653
>Gaelio was a delusional

Wrong character. Gaelio was perfectly realistic in the end. It was McGillis who was hilariously delusional.

Gaelio even almost forgives McGillis for what he did to him, Carta and Ein. All the whilst McGillis was running around trying to kill everyone because MUH POWER and MUH BAEL.

>>155488967
>t.
>hetfag
Remove yourself.

>>155487119
That too. Still wanted Mace-chan to smash her.

>>155461721
That mask is a replica of Agnika's isn't it

>A whole squadron of masked men