name a better scene in the entire Fate franchise.

AAAAGHHH AAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH KOTOMINEEE

Literally any other since it was stupid as fuck.

When Archer sniped Saber on the bridge and revealed his true power level

>>155396110
The entire Shirou vs. Archer fight is the pinnacle of the franchise to me. It was perfect.

>>155396933
>>155397053
These.

>>155396933
>>155397053
>mobage shit
Opinion discarded.

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>>155397167
>mobage shit
>America to Solomon is better than most of F/SN

Anything in Fate Zero

Nasu is a fucking hack

>>155397202
>fencing with a spear

>>155397202
This really triggers me even though I love Fate. Even the VN says that the main purpose of a lance is slashing, which is completely false.

>>155397226
This

>>155396110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whWV-hEgf70
this scene

When will Nasu finally die?

>>155397521

When people stop feeding his essence with currency.

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Sieg vs Karna.

This scene was fucking stupid.

>Nasu claims it's because the teacher has more battle experience than Saber.

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>>155396110
Easy.

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>>155396110

But if we're talking non-Saber scenes then it's the smalltalk Rider and Gilgamesh have before their fight.

>>155397696
Came here to post that, then came again.

>>155397671
You can't listen to Nasu's explanations, they constantly contradict his own works and he is a self admitted compulsive liar.

Saber, plain and simply, is a weak fighter. She is a "strong" servant because of Avalon and Excaliblast. Without those, she's below average and gets beaten by everyone who isn't handicapped in some way.

>>155397671
My fucking sides.
>A high school teacher has more battle experience than a King who always fought in the front lines in an era where war was rampant

>>155397844
the twist here is that king arthur never actually existed so she has no experience

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Nine lives

>>155397868
>Hand can't even grasp around the hilt
ebin

>>155397868
Can't wait to see it in anime form.

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Broskandar vs Assassin

or anything from F/Z really

>Kissanime

>>155397844
The sequel gave him a backstory. He was trained from birth to be an assassin and nothing else. He became a teacher once he assassinated his target and the organization kicks him to the curb.

>>155397999
Still doesn't make sense for a Servant with A rank Instinct to be caught off guard by a human with magic enhanced fists.

>>155397671
>Nasu claims it's because the teacher has more battle experience than Saber.
Where did he claim this?

>>155397868
Oh, that scene would be so great if not for "I won only because Bers was distracted" bullshit. Instantly drops whole scene from "badass" to "why I even bothered".

>>155398088
It would have been more bullshit if it was a fair victory for Shirou.

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Most of Camelot.

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>>155396110

>>155398060
Saber at max power lost a sword fight to Shirou

>>155398150
Yes, the realism and consistent plot is why I read shonen novels.

>>155398150
Not really because Berserker was already gimped as much as possible, the fact shirou couldn't beat him even under those conditions show how shit-tier he is instead of making him look awesome like the scene intended.

>>155398060
Instinct is shit (at least in FGO) and doesn't always work. She already avoided Gae Bolg and Tsubame Gaeshi with it so she can't be that lucky to avoid something for the nth time.

>>155398316
Yes, Instinct is shit in the FGO game, but in lore, Saber's instinct is close to precognition. If she could dodge a two-slash Tsubame Gaeshi, then I don't see why she can't dodge Kuzuki's attack. Also, avoiding Gae Bolg was purely luck and was not about instinct.

>>155397204
>he actually believes that

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>>155397053
praise the king.

>>155396110
Not even the best scene in that show

>>155398242
>Not really because Berserker was already gimped as much as possible
>as possible
It's still Hercules. A gimped Hercules is still really powerful. There are very few magi who can match servants even at their prime. Even DAAs can have bad times against servants if it is a bad compatibility match up.

>>155398486
>If she could dodge a two-slash Tsubame Gaeshi, then I don't see why she can't dodge Kuzuki's attack
Because the technique was some obscure mountain assassin school's technique purposely created to be deceptive. That in combination with him moving unexpectedly fast from Caster buffs makes it perfectly reasonable that Saber gets caught off guard by Kuzuki. Even more so when Saber is having to work off of Shirou.

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>>155396110

>>155398209
>>155398242
Heracles with Mad Enhancement is still much more durable than Saber. Maybe Shirou could have beaten Heracles properly but he would probably still die.

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How has anyone not posted the best scene in all of Fate yet?

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I've always been a sucker for Crazy Train II.

ESSSCCKKK-CALI-BUHHHHH

>>155398714
It doesn't matter if it's deceptive or not, Instinct will automatically alert Saber just like how it did when Kojiro was about to use Tsubame Gaeshi. Her body would have moved automatically to increase the distance between them the moment she felt danger. But she didn't feel danger, because Nasu completely forgot about it.

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>>155398944

>>155398944
This.

>>155399071
>because Nasu completely forgot about it.
Except he didn't.


"!!!!!!"
But it misses.
A surprise attack is useless on her, as she has instincts bordering on precognition.
The snake-like fist grazes past her neck.
Seeing that, she tries to step in to attack, but at that moment…

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>>155399071
>Instinct will automatically alert Saber just like how it did when Kojiro was about to use Tsubame Gaeshi
Then why didn't it alert her to the nature of the shadow in HF before it was too late? Or Caster's magic when it was used to mind control Shirou into showing up? Or when Lancer used Gae Bolg in the prologue?
Your explanation doesn't hold up with its own internal logic. It doesn't work all the time. Especially against really foreign elements like the Shadow or a never before seen fighting technique.
Also, even if she feels danger, it doesn't mean she can respond in a way that ensures her safety all the time.

>>155398944
>Not the version with the close up of a single tear being shed by him
Why would anyone cut that out

Nasu is a fucking hack and the only good parts of Fate are Zero (LN>anime) and Strange fake.
Take off your nostalgia goggles.

>>155399428
Because no one cries when the K-ons die.

>>155397671
Why is Saber the weakest Servant?

https://youtu.be/xKq2iUIIc-U

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Also, let's not forget Gil and Enkidu's initial reunion in Strange Fake.

Even if Kuzuki blocking saber was a pretty "what the fuck holy shit" moment, there were many other "WHAT THE FUCK HOLY SHIT" moments like that, and in addition they actually had emotional value.

You fucking secondary OP

That scene where they were cooking.

>>155396698
Caster was a shit midboss which wasn't threatening at all. Her legitimacy relied on Saber jobbing when she could easily dispatch Servants even if she was empty of mana a route ago. All to make Shirou competent as a match for Servants. It took ufotable to shill her a little and tweak her to be an actual threat. She was just a laughable in the VN. Failed to convey Herakles' unmatched strength of obstacle or Zouken 'he never dies and manipulates the fuck of us' Matou's creepiness.

Gilgamesh fighting Shirou was the biggest mistake of a climax. Neither character had a connection or gave much of a shit for each others. Kotomine is the ultimate Nemesis vs Shirou. It's even in Shirou's fucking CM profile. Gilgamesh is Saber's Nemesis while Kotomine is Shirou's, so their battle was completely dumb and empty. And just devised to wow autistic powerlevelfags.

I fucking hate when Masters get involved in a Servant's battle outside of support. I'm glad Nasu dropped that shit in other works. UBW route was the definition of cancerous Master fighting Servant shit and getting away with it I fucking hate it. Not just Shirou, but also Rin and Kuzuki. It was just completely out of place now in Fate franchise where Masters stay behind Servants like they should. Or fight other Masters.

The endings were pretty bad too. That's why Nasu had to rewrite it for the anime. Originally, it lacked any actual touching sense of conclusion than HF or Fate endings did.

>>155396110
Iksander, Gil, and Arthur drinking together and talking about what it takes to be a good king. Concluding with Ionioi Hetairoi.

Iksander and Waver are better than any character Nasu has written as well as any master servant relationship.

>>155399417
Also, in Fate/Zero there was a scene where Saber's Instinct was animated to show how she will defeat Lancer but when she went with it, Lancer countered it and gave Saber a wound.

when's tsukihime

>>155399417
>then why didn't it alert her to the nature of the shadow in HF before it was too late
I'll give you that, but that was a whole different entity, not a human who's merely being reinforced with magic.
>Or Caster's magic when it was used to mind control Shirou into showing up?
Her instincts won't act on that since she's not the one being targeted.
>Or when Lancer used Gae Bolg in the prologue
But it did, she was able to redirect the attack to her feet which would have been able to lessen the damage she would get if only Gae Bolg was a normal lance and didn't reverse cause and effect.
>Also, even if she feels danger, it doesn't mean she can respond in a way that ensures her safety all the time.
But she can, that's the point of instinct.

>>155399854
My dad works at a bar in Shinjuku, and Nasu and Takeuchi where having dinner and talking. He overheard them saying that Tsukihime 2 will be coming out in 2033.

>>155399683
Gil vs Shirou was just to address the "real vs fake" theme of the story. Shirou is a fake but he can still achieve his goals.

I'm not a powerlevelfag and I thought the fight was pretty intense and fun. We get our Shirou vs his ultimas nemesis Kirei in HF, no need to have it in UBW.

I do agree that masters getting involved directly in servant battles tends to get a bit bullshitty. They spend so much time hammering into our heads that humans do not even stand a chance against servants, then throw some "OMGEEE THE MASTER JUST BEAT A SERVANT!!!" bullshit. Except for Gil vs Shirou because Shirou and EMIYA are literally the perfect and only (excluding Enkidu) counter to him.

Is Apocrypha LN any good? Almost done reading volume 3 of Strange Fake and it was fucking great.

>>155400649
>Ilya

>>155399892
>But she can, that's the point of instinct.
I think what you said just here is contradictory to this
>I'll give you that, but that was a whole different entity, not a human who's merely being reinforced with magic.
and this
>But it did, she was able to redirect the attack to her feet which would have been able to lessen the damage she would get if only Gae Bolg was a normal lance and didn't reverse cause and effect.
What you seem to be saying is that she should be able to block most ordinary attacks so long as she is physically capable which is for the most part true.
It doesn't work when fighting against someone who doesn't fight like a human should. Kuzuki was being buffed by magic from the Age of Gods which isn't something Saber is likely to be used to because she came from the Age of Heroes over a thousand years after. Kuzuki's technique is also one that she wouldn't be used to so even with instincts she doesn't know how to counter it.

>>155400832
>B-but UTW!!!

>>155398557
He's actually right. America through Solomon's temple had some really nice moments and good fights. Most of what came before those chapters was of very questionable quality, but coming from a mobage does not inherently make it bad, especially since Nasu is trying to tell a serious story that adds to the lore of the Nasuverse through it.

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Caladbolg in S1
Tsubame Gaeshi in S1
Rho Aias scene in S2
Excalibur BD version in S2
Archer vs Shirou in VN
HA bridge battle
Everything in Mahou
HanDs and SvsS
Dogfight in F/Z
Kiri vs Kirei sound drama version
Nine lives and "sparks liner high"
KOTOMINE KIREI
Tiamat
True Assassin scenes in F/SF

>>155401384
Ah and this >>155398944

>>155397646
Sieg versus Karna was bullshit because Karna had to act out of character to let Sieg win. His whole deal is making people go the extra mile if to prove they have what it takes to succeed and then he ends up letting Sieg get away with making a risky maneuver that would've gotten him killed had Karna taken the chance to capitalize on it. Sieg was getting thrashed almost the entire length of the fight and then it ends with a copout. It'll still look gorgeous animated though.

>>155398242
That's because Shirou is shit tier. He's a human up against the most famous hero in the world bar none. Even a gimped Hercules should mop the floor with most people.

>>155400833
>It doesn't work when fighting against someone who doesn't fight like a human should.
Kuzuki fights like a human, it's just a different fighting style.
>Kuzuki was being buffed by magic from the Age of Gods which isn't something Saber is likely to be used to because she came from the Age of Heroes over a thousand years after.
What are you talking about? Saber's magical resistance was so strong that even Caster's spells didn't do shit against Saber. IIRC, that was the reason why Kuzuki voluntered to fight against Saber instead of Caster fighting Saber.
>Kuzuki's technique is also one that she wouldn't be used to so even with instincts she doesn't know how to counter it
She could have easily increased the distance between them and use Invisible Air

>>155401757
>Kuzuki fights like a human, it's just a different fighting style.
Then why are his fists described as moving like a snake, twisting and winding mid punch?
>What are you talking about? Saber's magical resistance was so strong that even Caster's spells didn't do shit against Saber. IIRC, that was the reason why Kuzuki voluntered to fight against Saber instead of Caster fighting Saber.
I meant used to on a cognitive level. There are a lot of magics that were lost from the Age of Gods. Not only that, the level of strength of the spells is far higher. Even if they can't touch her directly, the buffs are far greater than they would have been when she was alive.
>She could have easily increased the distance between them and use Invisible Air
Not after her instincts have already failed and she got punched out. He could keep up with her physically and she wasn't able to block his punches because his fighting style was so bizarre. So no she couldn't just walk away because he would follow her and even if she could, he would go after Shirou or Caster would blow up Shirou if she created too much distance. Or Caster could block Invisible Air and then Kuzuki could follow up..

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>88 Posts
>Not one mention of "You don't mind if I kick his ass, right?"

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>>155402303
>reading VN first time
>actually thought he was going to win
>mfw he actually dies

>>155396110
That whole bit was perhaps the most retarded fight in FSN.

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>>155396110
I don't even like either of these characters all that much, but I can see that the scene was good.

>>155397868
How could he trace Nine Lives if the rock slab didn't have Nine Lives in its history?

>>155399717
This
The Banquet of Kings was a fantastic scene

>>155396110
Crazy Train

>>155399355
What did he mean by this?

>>155399683
>Gilgamesh fighting Shirou was the biggest mistake of a climax. Neither character had a connection or gave much of a shit for each others. Kotomine is the ultimate Nemesis vs Shirou. It's even in Shirou's fucking CM profile. Gilgamesh is Saber's Nemesis while Kotomine is Shirou's, so their battle was completely dumb and empty. And just devised to wow autistic powerlevelfags.

Fighting Archer was the real climax. Gilgamesh felt like wrapping up loose ends

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>>155396110
CRASHING THIS PYRAMID

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>Merlin tossing Primate Murder out a window
>Ozymandias crashing his Pyramid-temple on the tower of the end of the world
>Agravain telling Lancelot to fuck off
>Bedivere vanishing after returning Excalibur to the Lion King
>Agravain dying happily on Artoria's lap as the world crumbled around them
>Tiamat held down by Kingu's chains
>The bombardment of Uruk by Ishtar to bring Tiamat down the underworld
>King Hassan and Merlin appearances against Tiamat
>the climax of FGO part one with every Heroic Spirit fighting against the 72 pillars, with Mashu and Solomon standing up Goetia along with the self-insert Master
>EMIYA Alter and Saber Alter destroying an asteroid that was going to destroy Earth

Ozymandias is OC do not steal tier
Fuck Sakurai

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>>155403567
Stay mad.

>>155398557
Go to any oldfag NIP forum and they agree. If you weren't a dirty EOP you would too. TMfags in Japan hate Extraverse, though, but FGO is just a series of old ideas Nasu had that he's finally writing.

>>155398242
>like the scene intended
Hoo boy I didn't know we had Nasu in the thread to tell us exactly what was intended for each scene

>>155397671
Honestly can't tell if this is bait or not after seeing the replies.

>Tail the suspicious ethics teacher
>start fighting
>turns out he's actually an ex-assassin who was trained since birth to master a fighting style that will only work once and even when unarmed he can fight servants who are many times faster and stronger than he is
Literally one of the worst asspulls in the entire VN.

>tfw I used to love EMIYA but after FGO, he comes across as a whiny bitch

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>>155397955
Any scene with him is great.

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Ars Nova scene and the entire climax of FGO 1.0 reminded me how I love Type Moon for the character moments. It was a love letter to FSN with a lot of parallels that Nasu intended as "things some users forgot of FSN." For a game usually said to be just waifupandering mobage, the only character Nasu wrote 100% and the focus of the story wasn't even a waifu. Or gacha bait. But a story character who wasn't advertised by posters or marketing and didn't even fall in love with the self-insert.

It gave me faith that Type Moon still had substance, despite of everything. Unlike Extella which was just a shallow game about which character wanted your self insert the most as main "plot."

>>155403953
Been long since i read th VN, but did Archer know that the 5th war grail is fucked?

Because thinking back, he kinda went full retard during UBW:

If he knows about grail, then why bother with fuck huge backstab spree (which only big result ended up Rin reciving saber) instead of actually trying to unfuck the situation and be a hero instead of a murderbot for once in fuck knows how long.

If he doesn't know, the why the fuck not try to pursue what is probably the only chance of getting out of CG duty?

>>155399467
Those were the tears of genuine happiness.

>>155403953
He always was.

>>155403953
how so?

>>155400298
Kiritsugu a shit

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Bazett vs Lancer was honestly one of the best scenes in all of Fate.
It's just a shame Bazett doesn't get more screen-time given she would be a perfect fit Berserker class in FGO.

>>155405622
What are the best scenes in all of Fate?

>You look like a rock star.

Gosh, Watching Fate/Stay Pleb series after Fate/Zero is Like watching Kingdom of the Crystal Skull after Raiders of the Lost Ark.
It got downgraded so fucking hard.

>>155399683
>It took ufotable to shill her a little and tweak her to be an actual threat.
She literally gets her ass beat by a high school girl punching and kicking her and coughs up blood in the ufotable adaptation.
Ufotable just made her more of a sympathetic waifu because Carnival Phantasm and F/HA.

>>155405306
Mostly because FGO features another character who actually overcame his crippling emptiness and yet sacrificed his personal happiness and freedom for the sake of actually saving everyone and, even knowing this bitter and unfair ending, kept on trusting and believing the best. Who actually erased himself of the throne. Now EMIYA's forced suffering looks like of a whiny child who should be smacked down and told to fuck off and grow up. Now I cannot go back and read EMIYA's struggle and quest to erase himself sympathetically as before. I'm glad he got over himself at least.

>>155406178
When you say Fate/Stay Pleb do you mean UBW?

>>155406224
To be fair, she's a sympathetic waifu in some interpretations of the myth. I know I've felt bad for her since back in middle school.

>>155406224
>plot-points/reveals/twists of UBW lose their impact for any show-watchers and the lacking compensation made for them (such as the added Caster/Ilya scenes) doesn't do enough to fix this. In particular, Caster's master scenes really did nothing to add anything to her backstory or make one more sympathetic to the character - it'd have been far better to focus on her past as a princess, how Jason spurned her, and her fall to witchcraft if Ufotable was looking to add context for her actions and motives
>while hilarious the powerboost Rin and Luvia got in their wrestling match at the end contradicts canon and makes it seem absurd that Rin was such a non-factor in any fight besides the one with Caster

>>155405691
Subjective opinion but I'll list
>FSN
Church Basement (fate route)
Climax of Fate battle
The ending of Fate route (both)
Winter Forest (UBW route)
EMIYA vs Shirou
EMIYA saying goodbye to Rin
Rain (HF)
All climax of HF route

>FHA
Cu vs Bazett
Avenger's and Bazett's separation

>Others
Enkidu and Gilgamesh meeting (Strange Fake)
Ayaka and Arthur first meeting (Fragments)
Vlad vs everyone (Apocrypha)
Gilgamesh's ending (CCC)

From FGO
>>155403506

>>155406434
Fuck I forgot Zero
Most scenes with Iskandar and Waver talking
Kirei's betrayal scene
Banquet of the Kings
Kiritsugu finds Shirou, countdown Zero

Remember that Olga is actually chubby and in her mid 20s and Takeuchi didn't actually make justice to her concept
>162 cm
>63 kg

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>>155406434

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>>155406528
As impressive as that was, I couldn't list all moments. Definitely that and EMIYA's and Saber's flashbacks are up there for me but I needed to be selective.

>>155406434
>Ayaka and Arthur first meeting (Fragments)
Hikaru Genji is not a good role model.

>>155406300
Both UBW TV series & Deen's one. The High school characters make it unrealistic as fuck.

>>155406597
>secret war between magi seeking the holy grail
>realistic

choose one

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>>155406588
Their scene was really touching. Arthur decided to make peace with his kingship and falling kingdom, not cut a deal with Alaya to erase himself and vow himself to be the one knight of the girl who persuaded him from his self-destructive path. His feelings only became romantic later.

>>155406588
Nigga even his bond 10 CE is about his love for Ayaka and how deeply affected was with his meeting and reunion. Arthur's by far one of the purest romantic heroes you can find in this slutty as fuck franchise.

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そして。。。 訣別の時きたれり、其は世界を手放すもの。
アルス・ノヴァ。

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>>155407035
Purest and best king. Nobody would ever love humans as much as he did.

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There's also this, which reads and 'looks' much better in the LN. The mangaka didn't quite capture the absolute jubilance and rage in this scene.

How does Gate of Babylon's 'return policy' work, within the confines of a single war?

Do the weapons which have been fired return to the Gate upon dematerialization by Gil? Do they remain wherever they landed until dematerialized or destroyed? Can somebody use an NP that Gil dropped, if the latter is the case? Does he have to have someone go around picking up his specific weapons, if he wants/needs them back for whatever reason?

>>155407787
Gil has an NP that collects the stuff he fires.

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>>155398631
>Even DAAs can have bad times against servants if it is a bad compatibility match up
rrghgrgghrghh

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>>155399428

>>155401384
How many orphans do I have to sacrifice to see caster gil animated?