Fate Zero

>>155157625

Probably the latter.
Kirutsugu has a sadistic streak in him - he quite enjoys killing mages - and he has a tendency to assume the fastest route is the right one, viz. him killing his mentor instead of just letting the plane land and her breaking out of a viewport.

>>155157625
I'd prefer you posted this on reddit.

>>155157732
I strongly agree. Very interesting thoughts there.

>>155157740
Just a little bit rude, my man.

>>155157625
>enjoys killing
Really? I'm not sure, Kiritsugu just does what his ideals set him up to do. If he had the choice of saving three people without killing then he would take it, because he's saving them all, if he had to kill one to save two then he would kill one, but that doesn't mean he enjoys killing the one.

>>155157625
It's the first one. He spents a good few years with the Einzberns. His wish would clash too hard with the urge to kill. If he was like that he'd accepted the grail. This is what sets Kiritsugu apart from Kotomine.

In any case Archer and Shirou are better.

>>155157732
If the plane landed the risks of the insects escaping would be far too high. That's why they had to blow it up.

>>155157625
>My friend
Stopped reading.

>>155158492
It's not like I have all that many...

Seems more like the former to me, though it's a bit more complicated than that. If he enjoyed killing he wouldn't have had his "oh god my philosophy sucks dick" moment at the end.

>>155158830
>...
Lurk 2 years before posting.

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>>155159089
>a bit more complicated than that

I'm intrigued now, what are the nuances you're thinking of?

>>155159374
Are you a fucking retard?
Kill yourself.

>>155157625
I don't think that he enjoys killing that much. He's pushed by his strong ideology, and even tho he sometimes feels bad (killing his mentor), most of the time he justifies himself by saying that killing the few will save the many.
Note that the moment he's truly confronted to the fact that this will never work, he snaps.
If he truly enjoyed killing, he would have kept doing so, and not give up on everything

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>>155159473
>Are you a retard?
I don't THINK so...

The former is more correct than the latter but not exactly. Kiritsugu isn't normal, he's been screwed up since that moment in childhood. He can also kill like a machine; he doesn't enjoy it, he can dislike it but it's just what thinks he has to do.

He's a broken man who wants to save people.

>>155159719

That's the thing. After witnessing his family and friends get slaughtered, Kirutsugu has assumed that killing is how you get things done. If that hadn't happened who knows how he might have turned out.

>>155157625
>My friend

>>155157740
>thread with opinion and something different than "best girl" i "wanna bully her" "i wanna get bullied by her" "i wan't gilgamesh to bully me" "is rin a prostitute" or "would you a worm?" or other over and over repeaed threads
>it's so reddit

aw man, you are propably one of the fags who constanly spam OPT with porn because "lel boob"

>>155157625
is fate: zero a masterpiece?

>>155159872
Who are you quoting?

>>155159949
You, retard

>>155160038
No, you didn't

>>155157625
I disagree with both. Kiritsugu certainly doesn't like killing, but I don't think he had a normal mentality.
He is a sociopath. He shits judgement over anyone whom he thought was wrong in the name of justice. He had no remorse killing the 'bad guys' and spared little thought of those whom were collateral damage. While he did try to minimize collateral where he could, if it did happen, he'd have the mentality of 'well that sucks' and then move on. (Until he got grail'd, that is)
The explanation of when he killed his father is good evidence. He claimed that he just turned off his feelings and shot the guy. In the heat of a stressful moment, normal people don't do this. Had he shot his dad while enraged, it would be a different story.

TL;DR He thinks he is justice incarnate, and will unhesitatingly kill people based on this judgement. He is not normal-minded

>>155159822
Well he's not wrong.

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>>155159880
at first i liked it because of memes, lack of sheerou, and tomboy Saber (butcher made better Saber than original, as Nasu is a retard who missed great opportunity for making girl, who used tho have dick and pretended to have one, to bo based tomboy. I mean seiously)

I miss the memes
Im pretty sure bahamut will have much memepotential, but i wonder if there will be enough audience to truly use it

>>155160067
i'm not him

Kiritsugu is an insult to humanity.

>>155159880
Maybe not a masterpiece but pretty good. Also Alexander is there.

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>>155160298
KFC please...

>>155159822
If he could save people without killing anyone, he would. But the tragedy defined the trajectory of his life. He was raised by a mercenary and spent his youth balls deep in the underworld, killing pieces of shit and save the lives of innocents. Innocents get caught in the crossfire, a fact of life. He sought the grail to change reality.

>>155160298
Well at the last moment he finally engaged his brain. So he is not a complete loss. Just mostly.

Kiritsugu only kills because he has to. He's more a sociopath than anything else (but even that is not true). Had not the island incident happened, he probably would have never gone down this road. He would have just studied a bit of magic, humped Shirley and gone to live somewhere else.
His despise of mages initially comes from his father. By witnessing the horrors of what comes from magic, he decided that magic what a bad thing, hence why he doesn't resort to magic (or at least not beyond the Time Alter and the scabbard) even when fighting mages and rather use mechnical traps and guns. His hatred of mages was also most likely engraved in his origin, considering the power of his Origin Bullets.

The only reason he decided to indulge himself in all sorts of cold-blooded killings is because, as he said, he thought that he would be able to gain the peace he long sought for upon reaching the Grail. And when this one turned to ashes in his hands, his only hope in his life collapsed and the man himself with it. He was nothing more than a husk of a person at the end of the series.

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>>155160571
Do you think he'd healed and become normal again by his death in 1999 or 2000 after spending five years with Shirou?

>>155160690
I don't know. The VN was shit, just like Shirou.

>>155157625
He keeps killing because he didn't killed Shirley when she told him to and things went to shit because of that.

That's what that scene of him breaking down after shooting the plane while talking to Shirley was trying to convey.

He kills to prevent the greater disaster from happening that like that scene of the boats in the grail was showing him. His MO is kill the fewer to same more.

>>155160298
I recognise(?) that reference!

>>155159872
What the fuck are you talking about, retard?