So Madara was completely right, correct? Naruto didnt end suffering

>>154540060
try to end suffering

>>154540430
He didnt though. Fucking asshole.

>>154540060
Life is suffering. People unlike Madara put heavy responsibilities to their lives to have purpose. He was a nihilist, he believed everything eventually returns to nothingness and there is no point to life.

>>154540060
Which Madara?

>>154540801
But if you wanted conflict in your dreamworld, you would have gotten it.


This is why Naruto turns to complete shit the moment he talks to Nagato.

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>>154540060
Just because he was correct, doesn't mean he was right!

>>154540881
Nagato's worldview was so fragile he changed his mind talking to a teenager. His solution wouldn't have worked, because his solution was to make a common enemy for everyone to fight, but this would have stopped when he died.

>>154540060
To stop Madara from turning everyone into fucking plants.

>>154540060
It's a similar plotpoint with Negima!, the dreamworld is nice and all, but you'll most likely stay in a stasis forever mentally. For a lot of people, living is to experience constant change whether it's good or bad, to which a dream world can't give because it can only provide what you know, not what could've happened. eg. guy with puppy crush finds someone who he actually loves later on vs. guy gets tree'd, married to his first crush in dreamland and has some sort of happiness, but probably not as much as finding the one he truly loves.

tl;dr: happiness is very subjective, if you keep living it'll have up and downs and might go even higher than what you previously know; dreamworld on anotherhand only gives you what you think is the best case scenario for you which is a constant, which can be unappealing for some people and could become a bore after centuries of dreaming

>>154540952
>shiroufaggot
get cancer

>>154540060
No, because he was a pawn of black Zetsu that was going to turn everyone into mindless zombies.

>>154541035
Except his solution wasn't meant as a permanent one since he himself admitted that violence only begets violence. It's a literal case of continuous deterrence and given his devout followers, I can easily see him passing it down to others if he had succeeded. In a real-world sense, Nagato's solution was actually plausible, it's just really fucked up how one country has to get nuked each time.

If anything, what made Nagato change his mind was the book that bound Naruto, Nagato and Jiraiya all together, and how Nagato strayed from the very person he was that inspired Jiraiya to write said book by choosing a path of purposeful compromise. It's a realization that showed how he compromised his ideals because he couldn't take the high road.

I know people shit on Naruto talking to Nagato a lot, but the talk itself actually made sense and it's the reason why many non-Narutofags even praised the Invasion of Pain arc. It was just the revival of Konoha that cheapened the ending.

>>154540060
No

>>154541128
That was only introduced AFTER Madara got ganked.

Kishimoto wrote himself into such a big corner with the dream plan actually being the best, that he had to make it a shit plan ex post facto.

>>154541162
If you wanted struggle and challenge, the dream would provide.

>>154544042
The 'struggle' would be boring shit after a while, a lot of the excitement is tackling the unknown; most the dream can throw you is the same thing over and over. It's like you like Dark Souls and later on discovered that you also liked Zelda, but instead you turned into a Tree and all you had to play are only Dark Souls 1, 2, 3, 4 and so on so forth, that'll get fucking boring.

Why people insist on discussing logically something like Naruto? It's like they are retarded or like to suffer.

>>154544213
You dont seem to understand the dream could do fucking anything for you. It would give you different shit if you so desired.

Like Samurai Flamenco.

>>154540060
Well, Madara did unite all the villages and indirectly ended major wars. There'll always be some assholes like Shin or Chino or even some rebel groups, but he also indirectly made like every major playing force in the last war overpowered as shit, so they aren't a problem.

Unfortunately, everyone will have free will and there'll always be crazy niggers, so yes and no.

On another note, we can agree that Madara was the best character in Naruto, right? His character and abilities lead to a complete badass that Kishimoto literally said he had no idea how to end him.

>>154544248
that's the keyword, you have to desire it. If you don't know that there's more shit out there things goes monotone after a while and you still have no idea about what to play. The dream isn't going to give you new things if you yourself don't even know what you want. I'm talking about something completely new, like a FPS player discovering the RPG genre, in dreamland you'll never find that because you never got introduced to it, it is impossible to play or even know that genre existed.

>>154544499
And the ninja characters clearly desired it. So they'd get it.

Some people dont want conflict. Fuck Naruto for trying to make that moral decision for everyone.

>>154544365
So you're saying naruto is globalist propaganda

>>154544663
kek sure