One Piece 858

shipping is for autists

>>154507344
Once she finds out that he has only title with no money or country to rule, she'll give up on him.

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>>154507344
OP, don't start the shipping shit. Post something funny.

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where my phoenix ass nigga at

>>154507344
Didn't get it, explain.

>No anime episode this week
>Carrot posting has dropped significantly
Bet it ramps up when there's another episode
Carrot lovers are animefags

>>154507577
Dead and his fruit went to Stronger

>>154507682
well the next episodes are filler and will have marine carrot so you can expect lots more when those air. If you think it's bad now just wait until the new opening comes out that full of her

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ODA, WHERE'S MY NIGGA ZORO?

>>154507344
>being a shipping fag
kys

>>154507736
>phoenix
>dying

>>154507682
>implying
I'm a Carrotfag and I never post her, because I know how much she triggers people.

Vizanon?

>>154508357
It's canon that there's a limit he can regenerate

Will Carrot kill Jinbe?

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>>154508892
No.

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>>154508654
I'm no LuNa fag either. Don't lump me in with you fags. I'm just here to see how this series ends.

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This will be canon soon.

>>154508890
source?

>>154507663
me neither

>>154509355
The fucking manga you dumbass.

>>154508756
What the fuck?

>>154509355
Pretty sure Oda addressed it in an SBS

>>154509473
Wasn't that only stated in SBS? In manga he regenerated everything barring the one time he was handcufed.

>>154509751
Is the creators word not good enough?

>>154507344

What is wrong with you?

Is there another thread? This one started with shipshitter faggotry.

>>154509751
Well, SBS are canon anyway. In Marineford he was hurt by Kizaru and had to lay down for a while, I suppose you can just outdamage his ability.

Or you know, drown him.

>>154509926

>In Marineford he was hurt by Kizaru and had to lay down for a while

I don't remember that at all. But yeah you can outdamage his ability as Oda stated.

>>154510011

When he got handcuffed by Onigumo after WB had a stroke.

>>154508890
Is that like how much he can regenerate at once. Like if hes taking a continuous attack?
Or that he has a flat amount he can regenerate since he got the power and after that he can only turn into the phoenix?

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someone asked for this to be posted last thread, sorry i was too late

>>154510091
Probably the former.

I think it's just standard, relatively low healing factor. Like he can survive fatal injuries but probably won't pick up his own decapited head to bludgeon you with it.

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>>154510312
I hope so.
The idea of somebody losing the unique part of their devil fruit power especially a rare mythical zoan one really rubs me the wrong way

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>>154510065

Juxtaposed both scenes. He just kept running.

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>>154510475
It's more than likely that he can't just regenerate all day. Regeneration probably takes some stamina out of him

>>154510640
Best Vice Admiral and I hope we see him soon

>>154507882
Lost....>>154508357

So, Ace and Luffy both have haoshuku haki. Sabo too then?

>>154510640
>If it bleeds, we can kill it

Do you think Jozus fruit would counter Kizarus lasers in some way? either by reflecting or refracting it?

>>154509793
>>154509926
Yes, it's canon. But, no one should be excepted to remember everything from the SBS, and stating that the source is "the fucking manga" suggests there's a statement or scene showing that in the actual comic.

>>154510934
Sabo and Garp don't have it because they for big organizations.

It's also why Zoro will never awaken it since his dream is to become the strongest swordman to support Luffy.

>>154510312
He heals so fast attacks seem to have no effect at all on him even pain. I think you are underestimating the fruits power.

>>154510312
>probably won't pick up his own decapited head to bludgeon you with it
Brook should be doing this all the time

>>154511087

Ace was in a big organization and wanted WB to become the future PK. Why would Sabo be different? For all we know he might wants to be the chef the revolutionnary army.

>>154511086

I'm sorry but manga or sbs it's the same, both equally important informations to remember.

>>154507344
>oda's old drawing style from when he could actually draw
press F

>>154511372

He's far better now...

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>>154511372
Epic post

>>154508944
>one piece
>ending
Jump will build a Golden Throne just for Oda with a psychically controlled art tool set.

>>154511234
Ace had it as a kid and what he really wanted was to feel like he belonged somewhere

>>154507344
>2 princes falls in love at first sight
>Both get denied and BTFO

OOOOOOODDAAAAAAAA!!!!

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Post fights that were as ballin' as possible.

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I've been missing these threads a lot (unlike Monet who didn't miss noticing Chopper because she threw the note) any new updates on the meta?

>>154511515

That's a lot of assumptions dude. I don't think your headcanon about haoshoku haki is true. According to what you say, Don Chinjao should've lost it after Garp crushed his dream and even more now that Sai took his place. Rayleigh shouldn't have it.

>>154511305
Not really. Everything (aside of obvious jokes) said in SBS is true to the manga and as such are valid in forming arguments, but for all intents and purposes it's just a trivia segment. One can read the whole manga without the SBS and generally not have a problem understanding it, You don't have to know the whole manga + SBS + interviews by heart to discuss it for cryiing out loud

Not interviews but SBS yes absolutely needed.

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>>154511534

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Busoshoku Haki was a mistake

>>154511884
Overrated as fuck

>>154511645
Damn, man is it really you?

What will happen to the whole fandom once Monet cover story starts will truly be fun to see, won't it?

>>154511372
F

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>>154511534

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>>154509089
Yeah sure,keep dreaming

>>154511681
>One can read the whole manga without the SBS
You could, but why would you deny yourself? If you're going to read an 850+ chapter long series why not read 100 or so trivia pages too?

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>>154511534

>>154511884
This fight pushed the brink of human limits believability. I'm not quite sure how to word it but it felt like there was weight behind the characters movements. I feel like that impact is gone now.

>>154512258
>Sanji being gay.
>Ever.
You literally cannot get more heterosexual.

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>>154512511
Yeah, I hope we get more characters equal, or near-equal, to Luffy in strength.

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Best pairing! Incredible chemistry in the manga and great doujins!

>>154512727
Wiper and Magellan are the only characters who haven't lost to Luffy

>>154512859

Aokiji, Sentomaru, arguably Kuma. Maybe more.

>>154510640
I know Marineford arc was really good but hoped to see more damage on the Admirals. I mean Marco or Jozu should have been able to done some damage on Kizaru. Fucker was just having a troll face during the whole war.

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>>154512630
>Prince
>Chef
>Secret Agent
>Ladies man
Truly a man among men

>>154513027

Aokiji bleed because of Jozu and Kizaru din't damage Marco either.

>>154512859
Magellan is niche and stronger than a lot of people, hence his job position. He's not equal to Luffy in strength though. I guess I would define strength as physical strength in this scenario.

>>154512971
Kuzan isn't even comparable as he's nowhere near equal to Luffy. Remember this is a spectrum, I'm certain Kuzan would still shit all over Luffy right now.
It would be interesting to see a Sentoumaru rematch.

>>154512971
>Sentomaru
I really like him for some reason

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>>154513027
Marco was too busy screaming "POOOOOPS" and getting shot while Jozu was getting his arm frozen off. Overall the Whitebeard pirates made a terrible showing

>>154513111
>Aokiji bleed because of Jozu
Yeah, I remember this one

> Kizaru din't damage Marco either.
Fair enough. I guess because both Whitebeard and Akainu took a lot of damage I kinda wanted some big named casualities.

>>154513236
Probably like every other One Piece characters' feet; foul, sweaty and wash them once in a month

>>154511534
Why didnt he hack his limbs off?

>>154513188

I don't agree. For me Marco is easily as strong as Kizaru. I even believe he would win in a straight 1v1. Jozu and Ace were probably not as strong as an admiral but still close. Not possible to really judge Vista.

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>>154513321
Give him a few minutes.

>>154513358
Ace was a faggot and only got commander title because of his 1) lineage and wbs history with Roger and 2) mera mera is super powerful. Wb was passively trying to groom Ace to be pk. Ace was weakest commander, probably.

>>154513358
Marco got shot, handcuffed by a VA, shot again, and then left after failing to accomplish anything. His biggest achievement was the gay fireworks display he preformed at the start

Vista at least stood up to the world's greatest swordsman and Jozu is a bit forgivable since he spent half the fight tied by Doffy

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Post foreshadowing.

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>>154512727
Wiper was a real nigga.

>>154513489
Did you forget Whitebeard had 16 commanders? By not instantly rolling over when Aokiji attacks he already proved himself better than at least some of them.

>>154513318
Sunny has a full shower and bath. They probably shower every day.

>>154513570
Should have died

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>>154511681
>>154513615
>thread is full of people who don't read the sbs

>>154513512

And? Kizaru was on the winning side. I'm talking about a true 1v1. Aokiji vs Akainu style. I'm betting on Marco.

Who do you think knows more about the True History? Robin or Blackbeard?

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Year of Jinbe's death

>>154513751
Based on what? His regeneration? Again, he did almost nothing the entire war except get BTFO with no display of strength. He's not gonna be able to just sit there and regenerate all day while Aokiji is blasting him with ice spears and haki

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>>154513596

Yup, honestly Ace is underrated as fuck. Not saying he was admiral lvl but he wasn't that far off.

>>154513916

Kizaru and Marco were equals during the Marineford war. I believe it would be decided on endurance. Marco is the one who's able to heal himself.

>>154507344
What the fuck is this supposed to be

>>154514055
>Marco and Kizaru were equals
Is that why Kizaru destroyed him with lasers the entire war?

>>154514120
Desperation

>>154514148

That's just not true. Marco din't give a single fuck about Kizaru lasers.

>>154514224
That's factually untrue

>>154513972
Agreed. Important to remember that during childhood fights ace didn't lose to Luffy once.
Now obviously Luffy got a much bigger grasp on what he could do being a rubber man since then, but Ace got better as well.
Not to mention the power by default that comes with being a Logia.

Shipping beef aside, is Nami and Sanji actually feasible, or just a running gag? I feel like Oda will always just allude to it as a joke and nothing more

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>>154511534

>>154513834
Robin knows more official knowledge but Blackbeard has various stories passed down for centuries.

>>154514148
>Is that why Kizaru destroyed him with lasers the entire war?
never happened, he could still walk after getting shot by his lazer even with seastone handcuffs on

there's nothing that says Marco could beat Kizaru doe

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>>154514481
They will always have gags until the very end when Nami returns Sanji love.

>>154513705
What does that have to do with there being a shower on the Sunny?

>>154512803
Patrician taste, anon.

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>>154515684

>>154515684
Not the anon you're responding to but Oda's actually done trivia regarding how often each Straw Hat showers.

The girls and Sanji wash everyday. Luffy, Zoro and Brook wash once a week. The rest go every three days.

>>154514481
No Nami is a slut Sanji deserves a good loyal waifu like Viola for example.

>>154515987
VIOLA SHAGGED DOFFY ON THE REG

>>154516064
Doflamingo is a god among men I don't blame her for wanting his 12 inch cock.

>>154514481
kek no
Sanji is a prince
Nami is a slut

Sanji x Vivi for political marriage all the way.
Why do you think Oda made Cobra bring up the fact that Vivi should get married already.

>>154515944
Honestly It's not reall shocking for Brook, he his a skeleton, he don't sweat or anything. Zoro on the other end to exercice all the day, he must stink as hell at the end of the week.

>>154516122
It was to protect her family. She would never have impure motivations

>>154515888
>>154515944
The anon I responded to said they shower once a month. And that was in response to a post about Carrot who is a girl so probably showers every day with the other girls... and Sanji

>>154516183
Vivi should have been married a long time ago because she is royalty and royalty doesnt choose their mates.

>>154516185
>Zoro likely didn't shower for the entire stretch from Loguetown to the end of Drum

>>154516225
Yh sure anon we all know she was wet for Doffy. I wonder if Doffy fucked Baby 5 as well.

>>154516447
He took a swim in the ice water right?

>>154516638
Of course. Baby 5 was the better fuck too since he killed all her fiances. He couldn't let that poonany go

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>watching plinkett's force awakens review
>one piece is following the ring theory almost to the letter

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>>154512027
>monet cover story
You mean the reveal, alignment, joining, departing and proper joining arcs, followed by several sagas of power expansion and climax of Monet v. Aokiji? I don't know. I mean these threads will probably be /v/ consolewar level shade getting thrown.

And yeah, it's me. One of us anyway.

>>154517696
>deadbird.jpg

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>>154518109
>implying
Also I'm not going to do a back and forth because I gotta go to bed for work now.

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>>154507882
in the final one piece chapter the story arc will be about zoro and how his female childhood friend got murdered by her own father for trying to be a female swordsman

How the fuck did Rob Lucci not only recover from Luffy's attack but also became strong enough to become a part of CP-0??

>>154518426
he was the only one who cared afterwards

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>implying ANYONE else would be the pirate queen

>>154518512
And according to gold able to hold off Sabo

>>154512434
honestly, the new gear looks really silly

it was fun for a few pages, but then it became sad

>>154518896
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

>>154518426
How the fuck does Luffy not make the organs of people he attacks explode? I mean shit Kong Elephant Gun quaked Dressrosa a fucking country thats more force than any nuke detonated on earth.

>>154518854
GOLD isn't canon

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>>154518593
Sanji and the crew will be very happy for them.

>>154519062
>and all that was Doflamingo's body hitting the ground, not even King Kong Gun itself.

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>>154519107
...WHAT

where did this come from?

>>154519062
Dressrosa is a pretty small city though.

Does anyone find the power levels of One Piece characters ridiculous for their setting?

I mean Whitebeard is rumored to be able to destroy the Red Line which frankly is ludicrous since the world takes place on small ass islands so destroying small ass islands should be the highest potential power level they can reach.

>>154519230
From Oda. Where else?

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This geography is stupid.

>>154519096
The movies are all canon, they just don't actually fit in the timeline

Why do people waste time arguing about shipping or power levels? The first will never matter and the second is entirely subject to the needs of the narrative. Neither has any objective truth or answers to be hashed out.

>>154519397

Purest form of bullshit i've read all day.

>>154519476
It's just as true as it is stupid

>>154519285

He can quake the shit out of the red line.

>>154519507

It's not true moron.

>>154519519
Anon the Red Line is probably 2x the mass of North America just stretched around the globe, the energy it would take to just destroy the surface area of that is fucking amazing compared to sinking some tiny ass island.

>>154519549
You got anything to back that up? If Oda wrote it it's canon unless he says otherwise.

>>154519583
Their globe is notably smaller than ours

>>154519474
Because these threads are a 24/7 general.
The only thing sustaining them is memes and frivolous bullshit. Discussion about the actual series happens on chapter releases.

>>154519639
People are very serious about their powerlevel discussions. It makes me think less of them.

>>154519285
>I mean Whitebeard is rumored to be able to destroy the Red Line which frankly is ludicrous since the world takes place on small ass islands so destroying small ass islands should be the highest potential power level they can reach.

Source?

>>154519589

Some characters are canons. Not the movies. it being written by the author doesn't mean it's canon.

how are there retards who still think ANY movies are canon

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>>154519397
>doesn't fit in the timeline
>canon

>>154519589
The only film he was completely in charge of is Strong World, which was a story he gutted from the manga and can be seen as a "what-if" scenario. The characters are canon but that's the extent of it's weight in the main series.

He was not nearly as heavily involved in the others, especially Gold.

>>154519714
That's a fun bit of headcanon you've got there.

>>154519740

Motherfucker, even the Carrotfag is making fun of you >>154519731

>>154519740
this is common knowledge anon

this your first time here?

>>154519765
That's cool and all, but no one can actually back it up.

>>154519797
According to who? Who has said they aren't canon that should be respected? Three anonymous people on the internet?

>>154519397
>the movies are all canon
Fucking hell

>>154519988
Maybe not all, but certainly Strong World, Z, and Gold

>>154519833
The fact Oda is only credited for some character designs and as an executive producer in Z and Gold, and was even less involved for everything prior to Strong World.

Things outright not written by him hardly qualify as canon.

>>154520036
>>154520028
No. Please just stop.This is embarrassing.

>>154519833
Who said they are cannon? You?

Movies are always non cannon in regards to manga unless specifically stated otherwise. Just like how filler episodes are non cannon by default.

are people really arguing whether or not movies are canon?

>>154520036
That's not a reason to call them non-canon

>>154520088
Oda has been a part of the committee creating them for the last three. Why would they not be canon? As I recall we learned about the fight between Aokiji and Akainu from the movies before the manga.

>>154520164
>As I recall we learned about the fight between Aokiji and Akainu from the movies before the manga.
No we didn't.

not in manga or sbs = non canon

end of story

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>>154520300

>>154520300

You sure? What about Zephyr, anon?

>>154520360
Already mentioned in the manga.

>>154520360
Certain characters, like Shiki and Zephyr, are official backstory if states by Oda or mentioned outright in the manga. Nobody disputes that Chapter 0 is canon, for instance.

The films based on them, however, are not.

>>154520028
the characters are canon, but the events in the movies are not.

>>154520491
>The films based on them, however, are not.

This is such an arbitrary stance to take. We agree the characters are real, we agree the backstories are real, but the specific events of the film are non-canon because----? I guess because Oda didn't take time out to explicitly reference their events, because goodness knows we get flashback chapters referencing every previous fight the Strawhats have gone through at least once an arc.

>>154520618
Why?

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>>154520633
Because if it's not in the manga then it didn't occur.

>>154520713
Unless it's an SBS answer, because Oda writes those, right? But Oda wrote Strong World, too, so why should I ignore it?

>>154520794
Because the interaction between The Straw Hats and Shiki never happened. Oda basically wrote a "what if" story that is on a separate timeline from the mainline story.

>>154520861
There is nothing to suggest that's true. It's just you making shit up.

>>154520659

Arlong authorized you to post on /a/, anon?

>>154520794
SBS is literally part of the manga you imbecile

how good is the current arc /a/?

>>154520949
That's certainly an interesting way of interpreting it.

>>154520965

excellent/10

>>154520619
if you're too fucking dumb to use a wiki just kys

>>154521008
I have no idea how a wiki would prove anything either way. It's put together by fans.

>>154520976

Shut the fuck now. Manga+SBS = canon. Everything else isn't unless Oda says otherwise.

>>154521072
Seriously, why? Everyone keeps saying this like it's an iron law, and I have no idea where it came from.

>>154520794
no, just no. the SBS is actually a part of the manga and it specifically answers questions about the manga itself.

the movies are just movies. they're not a part of the ORIGINAL source material, they're adaptations and recreations of the source material.

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>>154520619
> but the specific events of the film are non-canon because----?
For one, because outside of Strong World he didn't fucking write them. He concepted some characters, gave them to the anime team and let the take it from there. This is a thing he does with stuff beyond movies too, but you're not going to start arguing that the Bandai games or stage play characters are canon parts of the universe when they exist solely for spin-off material and merchandising shit. Are color spreads and omakes canon too, because Oda drew them?

They're "canon" to the TV series, because Toei Animation produced them for it. They are separate products from his manga, which is its own separate entity from the anime. Learn the difference.

Secondly, trying to argue things like Z and Gold are canon when they can't feasibly fit into the storyline under any circumstances is ridiculous. Being adaptions that don't adhere to the source material is the very definition of non-canon.

The things that are considered to the manga are the main volumes, chapter 0, anything serious mentioned in SBS, and Monsters. That's it.

>>154521117
And additions.

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you don't need to argue with someone who doesn't understand what the word "canon" means, just ignore him. he'll keep shitposting forever

>>154521146
What if in the end we are the canon?

>>154520916
there's an inconsistence in this movie that says this would be the first time Brook fights under Luffy's command. In the manga and anime, Brook says the fight against the Flying Fish Pirates is his first fight as a Straw Hat.

N O T C A N O N

>>154521205
And One Piece, as we all know, doesn't have any minor inconsistencies.

>>154521141
You've certainly drawn a more nuanced line in the sand, but it's just as arbitrary.

>>154521245
Strong World logically has to take place between Thriller Bark and Sabaody, because the entire crew is there.

At Sabaody, Zoro's wounds from Kuma reopened. He wasn't injured in Strong World.

Luffy doesn't wear the armband (map to Captain John's treasure) that he put on at the end of Thriller Bark.

>>154521359

>In fiction, canon is the material accepted as officially part of the story in an individual universe of that story. It is often contrasted with, or used as the basis for, works of fan fiction. The alternative terms mythology, timeline, and continuity are often used, with the former being especially to refer to a richly detailed fictional canon requiring a large degree of suspension of disbelief (e.g. an entire imaginary world and history), while the latter two typically refer to a single arc WHERE ALL EVENTS ARE DIRECTLY CONNECTED CHRONOLOGICALLY. Other times, the word can mean "TO BE ACKNOLDGED BY THE CREATOR'S)."

>>154521508
What would you do if Oda said tomorrow it was canon?

>>154521359
There's actually a giant 20 mile wide and 10000000 mile long line in the sand.

It says anything that's not stated or shown in the original source material isn't canon.

>>154521653
Oh, cool, source?

>>154521570
Then it would be considered canon and that would be that. Until then, it's not canon. I would love to see Oda explain how Luffy canonically beat Shiki (someone of Gol D. Roger's level) before timeskip.

>>154521677
The source material is the source, moron. Unless

>>154521710
So none of those things are actually barriers to it being canon.

>>154521727
No I was hoping for your source stating that everything outside of the manga isn't canon.

>>154521746

Motherfucker. What's canon? The manga. What's canon but not in the manga? Everything Oda says so. Fuck you now seriously.

>>154521810
>more arbitrary distinctions

ok

>>154521746
Oda would have to explain the inconsistencies himself in an SBS and state that it's canon.

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>tell them to stop
>they don't

>>154521873
while that guy is an autist at least it brings One Piece discussion rather than shipping faggotry

>>154521827

What do you mean by "arbitrary"? Give me a source for the meaning of the word.

>>154521793
Are you really this dumb or are you shitposting?

Everything outside of the manga isn't canon because the manga is literally the only official and original source of information regarding anything in OP.

>>154521921
When I use the word arbitrary I use it to mean, "based on a personal whim, rather than a reason or system"

Feel free to substitute whatever synonym works best for you here.

>>154521978

"based on a personal whim, rather than a reason or system"

Who says so? You? Give me a source.

>>154521976
That strikes me more like an opinion than a subjective fact.

>>154522001
I'm the one who used the word, so it's my definition within that context that matters. Dictionaries will back it up, but they're just descriptors of how we use words already.

>>154522045
That strikes me more like an opinion than a subjective fact.

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>>154522135
I mean, if you're argument here is that your use of the word canon in this context is entirely subject to your personal definition, I'll take it.

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Things that are canon:
>manga
>mini arcs
>SBS
>databooks
>colorspreads
>"monsters" one shot

Things that are not canon:
>novels
>ova episodes
>crossovers
>videogames
>omake
>movies

class dismissed

>>154519107
Obviously Luffy holding Nami and Sanji's daughter for the first time
Look at Sanji in the back. Does that look like the face of a man eternally cucked?

>>154522003
you were actually doing pretty good until this post. it's blatantly obvious you're just shitposting.

>>154522238
HAHA DUDE ODA DIDN'T SAY IT ISN'T CANON WHERE'S YOUR SOURCE XDD

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>>154522312
thank you for calling out his inevitable bullshit

>>154522306
I'm genuinely not. I don't see how declaring something to be non-canon without official support could be anything but an opinion.

>>154522238
Anime isn't on either list? unless its mini arcs and are you saying filler is canon?

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Do you think Carrots massive popularity among fans will influence whether Oda writes her onto the crew permanently or not?

The manga is the source material.

The films are spinoffs of an adaption of that source material. They are separate from the main story, neither referenced nor fitting into the ongoing continuity of the comic. They are written, directed, animated and scripted by people who are not the original author. Many key characters in said films aren't even designed by him, and in the case of earlier films may not have involved him at all.

Things that aren't official parts of the source material aren't canon. Trivia written in volumes between chapters, things mentioned directly by the author in interviews, these are things that can be considered official information on that source material. Anything not coming from his mouth or created by him is immediately assumed to not be official unless states otherwise, because that's the nature of canonicity. It's dismissed until proven.

We can argue about Strong World if you want. That film was overseen by author to the point he had them change Robin's eye colors to fit her manga colorization, and although it has some contradictions with the manga they're relatively minor compared to films like Film Gold and Island of Strange Animals where the characters are being featured in impossible circumstances. But that is an exception, one that's been debated for years and still doesn't have a clear statement from the author, not the rule. And regardless of whether its "canon" or not it will never be directly mentioned in the source material because he doesn't want to alienate readers who've only followed his comic, making the whole conversation fucking pointless to begin with.

You can't casually change the normal interpretations of words because they don't suit your stance. That's called shitposting.

>>154522365

What's your definition of canon?

>>154522365
here you go
People with a functioning brain and understanding of what is official and what is not without being told: 99% of people who read One Piece

People who are retarded and can't: (You)

>>154522433
Anything that's truly a part of the story.

>>154522377
miniarcs are the cover stories oda writes, like enel goign to the moon or ace being saved by milk-girl.

the anime is sometimes canon and sometimes not, it's on and off really. there's a lot of supplemental scenery and character interaction that doesn't exist in the manga, whether that makes it canon or not is up for debate.

>>154522163
>jolly rodger

>>154522365
you can stop now. you just claimed it's an "opinion" that the OP manga written by Oda is the only official, original source material for OP.

>>154522496
Would you consider something like Breed canon?
Where it features canon characters and doesn't skew the timeline in anyway.

>>154522003
Find me the source the that says my GoT fanfic isn't canon. Keep in mind GRRM hating fan fics does not indicate non-canon.

Show me where Trigger said the manga isn't canon and then explain where the fuck Akko's BF is?

>>154522238
>novels

Usopp vs Daddy is canon faggot

>reading sbs
>characters hobbies
>Blackbeards hobbies include: gambling and historical research
>historical research

blackbeard is going to discover the mystery of one piece around the same as luffy isn't he?

>>154522431
This is probably the first good argument. I see where you're coming from, and I suppose my only question is what the purpose of considering something to be canon is. As you've noted, Oda is unlikely to ever truly contradict or confirm whether or not Strong World is part of the canon, but for that state to continue he has to write the story as though it could have happened. If that's the case, why would I ignore it? Similarly, I think he maintains that balance with most of the films. If they all could be true, why shouldn't I treat them as true?

>>154522365
you dense motherfucker. the definition of "non-canon" is anything that's not a part of the original source material. the manga is the original source material, therefore anything that's not in the manga is non-canon.

>>154522570
but...breed isn't canon...

>>154520164
Because creator input does not mean they're cannon. The default is for movies based on a manga to be non-cannon, unless they are adapting already made material or are explicitly stated to be cannon.

>>154522681
No, that's your definition. In multimedia series it's often more complicated than that.

>>154521115
Because you're retarded.

>>154522805

Give me us your definition of canon then.

>>154522815
Do you ever consider that maybe the reason these questions make you so mad is that you don't actually have an answer?

>>154522836
I already did. See>>154522494

>>154522867

And what's trully part of the story? You mothefucker.

>>154522686
Why not? Why isn't G-8 canon?

>>154522616
>why is it important to distinguish things that actually happened from things that were just fabricated and thus hold no relevance or basis in any discussion about said source material
Gee, who knows?

>>154522934

Din't happen in the manga. Not canon to the manga.

>>154522867
the answer is there, you're just too stupid to understand it. I know it's you, the weekly shitposter that makes some outrageous claim in effort to get (You)s and run the thread in circles with the the equivalent of "lol no" as an answer.

Do yourself a favor and kill yourself

>>154522238
What is canon about colorspreads? Some of them are just pictures without context that could fit anywhere but others showcase a wide variety of locales. They wouldn't fit in the timeline.

>>154522944
But for all intents and purposes, they did happen. The characters must be written such that they could have happened, and events can't ever outright contradict them. Within the reasons you're laying out here, they might as well be canon.

>>154522958
Do you think Oda would say nah that didn't happen its not part of the story? He confirmed the DF powers and storyboards.

>>154522972
You won't believe me, but I'm not shitposting. I'm enjoying having a debate over the nature of canon and what it means.

>b-but he still hasn't answered my question

we are not your personal database. do the research yourself, you'll only be ridiculed if you display such willful ignorance

>>154522993
>But for all intents and purposes, they did happen
They quite literally did not happen. That's the point.

>>154522920
I suppose that's the question.

>>154523018
yeah okay dude nice try haha!

>>154523040
Ah, so you didn't read or write the post I was replying to there.

>>154523004

Yup. He would.

>>154523004
Yes, because Oda knows it's for a fucking movie, not part of his manga.

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>>154522985
they are canon because they are entirely drawn and envisioned by oda, and they have no effect on the plot. as for what wouldn't fit in the timeline, do you have any examples?

>>154522867
No, you're retarded because no one else struggles with this. The only people who do are the people who ride the short bus, i.e (you).

Cannon in the case of a manga with a single author, is everything included in the source material. What is the source material? Anything created by author.

Does Oda wholly write the manga? Then the writings in it are cannon.

Are the designs of characters and places made by Oda? Then those are cannon.

Does Oda create the answers to SBS? Then those are cannon answers.

Does Oda write the cover stories? Then those cover stories are cannon.

Is Oda the sole credited creator of the Anime? Did he write and draw and storyboard the movies by himself (or is the only one credited as creating them)? No? Then those are not cannon unless he specifically states otherwise.

The reason someone like Shiki is cannon is because he appeared in the original source material.

Now go and choke on that paste you were eating before you got your computer privileges back you fucking mongoloid.

>>154523125
Oda wrote Strong World

>>154522431
>>154522616
If Strong World was canon Luffy's bounty would be sky high and Shiki would be mentioned more often. Also, for a legend who competed with the strongest of Roger's era to get smacked around by Gear Second is laughable in hindsight.

The character of Shiki and his backstory excluding the events that set Strong World in motion are what is canon.

>>154522616
>If that's the case, why would I ignore it?
There's no reason to ignore it. I actually recommend Strong World to everyone I recommend the manga to, it's a good film that compliments the manga well and gives some needed screen time as crew members to Franky and Brook before the split-up at Sabaody. Likewise, I think Baron Omatsuri and the G-8 arc are better than many parts of the manga itself and a must-watch for people looking for more One Piece after catching up with the comic.

But just because they're good supplementary materials that doesn't mean they're official parts of the manga's ongoing story or universe. Oda himself would need to come out and tell us that they are for that to be true. Non-Canon is often treated as a bad thing, because it goes hand in hand with mediocre fillers and cash-in stuff, but it doesn't inherently have less value. Just don't expect Vice Admiral Johnathan to appear alongside the rest of the Vice Admirals during the finale war.

>Similarly, I think he maintains that balance with most of the films
The only films that can arguably fit into the manga's storyline at all are One Piece: The Movie, Dead End Adventure and Strong World. The rest have an absence of characters like Vivi, Robin or Law who should be there at that point in the story, have characters who shouldn't be there like Sanji in the most recent one, or take place between arcs that don't provide extra room for an adventure to happen like Skypeia and Long Ring Long Land.

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>>154516290
>royalty doesnt choose their mates
Pirates do though
and of the Princess characters she was the only one that left her home island

>>154523158
he HELPED write it. meaning his editors had creative input. i.e. non canon. quit being retarded

>>154523220
If you look at the credits, he's responsible for the story. Uesaka just turned it into a screenplay.

>>154523220
You are being to stringent. If Oda had a direct hand in it or even approved it as part of the story it is canon.
No df is allowed to be used without Oda's approval so it doesn't conflict with the main story. And all the enemies usually die so the fruits are freed up for later use. Because of this I say its canon

>>154523122
I can understand your first point but what do you mean examples for the second? Look at the sheer amount of post timeskip colourspreads with the Straw Hats hanging out with animals in different locations. When would this have happened? Since they arrived in the New World they have been on a very clear path through to the present. In fact, the crew has actually been separated longer than they have been together since they regrouped.

It's very clear that many of the colourspreads wouldn't fit anywhere in the story.

>>154523282
No. The only thing that's canon is the source material.

Oda participating in it doesn't make it canon.

>>154523339
>The creator being a part of creating it doesn't make it canon
Ok I didn't realize you get to decide what is canon not Oda

>>154523170
Shiki was a legend because he came up with great plans and strategies more than personal power and that was before he had a steering wheel in his skull and lost his legs

>>154523158
he was not the sole writer, nor was he the director or the artist or the storyboarder.

He needs to be in full creative control, with no other creative mind interfering.

Consider the media of One Piece in the context of "does Oda have sole creative influence of the final product?"

Manga? Yes.

Cover Stories? Yes.

SBS? Yes.

Color Spreads? Yes.

Anime? No. There are other writers and artists and directors and producers and companies involved in its creation. Same thing goes for:

Movies

Video Games

Fan Fiction

etc.


.

>>154523316
>when would this have happened?

between islands. durrrr what a concept

>>154523194
Strong World suffers the same chronology issues as the others. At this point, I suppose, I'm trying to work out what the value is in calling something canon vs non-canon. From my perspective, if it's an official part of the IP, and later material doesn't outright deny it, then it's probably part of the story.

>>154519230
That's a good gif, thanks, anon.

>>154523399
That depends on what you mean by sole writer. Oda is credited as the sole writer on the story, meaning the entire plot was his idea. The only thing done by someone else was turning that story into a screenplay.

>>154523374
Has Oda said it was cannon? Can you link to it or provide your source?

No?

Then go slit your wrists with a OP: Gold DVD.

>>154523420
>From my perspective, if it's an official part of the IP, and later material doesn't outright deny it, then it's probably part of the story.
That's the problem.
You're taking an "innocent until proven guilty" approach to it. Anything not directly stated to be unofficial material by the creator is free game, no matter how loosely involved he was or the nature of the media.

But the general consensus, not just for One Piece but practically every work of fiction on the planet, is the opposite. Until the creators given his word on something with a shaky status we assume it's not.

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>>154523421
aw schuks, have another

>>154523374
No it doesn't because you don't know what canon is. What's canon is in the source material. The source material is the manga.

Oda working on a movie doesn't make it canon because it's not the source material.

>>154523517
That's a tough gap to bridge. Let's start from the foundation.

What is the purpose, for a fanbase, in hashing out what is and is not canon?

>>154521166
Kanjuros awakening

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>>154523445
Hirohiko Uesaka is credited as a script writer for Strong World.

And again, unless Oda was also the Director, producer, and storyboard artist for the movie, then it is not cannon. And even if he was all of those (he wasn't), then there would still be an issue of not being the sole animator as well.

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>>154523399

Fucking WB was on a cover page recently. And alive. This motherfucker is somewhat right, it's not as easy. Colorspreads are canons? I don't think so, most of them don't fit in the continuity of the manga. Do i consider all of these marines canon? Yup.

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>>154523619
Wait, are you under the impression that Oda has no assistants for the manga? Or that his story isn't influenced by an editor who has serious input on what happens in the story?

Also, see pic for writing credits

>>154523420
No, it has to be explicitly stated as cannon, or needs to appear in full in the source material to be considered cannon.

Something cannot be cannon only because it has not been denied otherwise. Cannon is a membership to a club, not a inherent right of any content.

>>154523700
Being an official part of the IP is an implicit declaration of canon

>>154523644
Canon isn't really the correct term to describe color spreads, they're just official drawings and not some tumblr fan art.

>>154523692
Of course Oda has assistants, but they aren't credited and do not have any input into the creation of the story. Assistants serve to lessen the menial art workload, like with backgrounds.

Editors have input in the beginning of a manga, but they are setting guidelines and suggestions, and not generally actively creating material.

An editor edits existing material, they do not create new material.

>>154523756
No, being part of the source material or being outright stated as canon by the author makes it canon.

>>154523820
Oda's editor is the reason the Supernovas exist at all.

>>154523692

By your logic. If one day Oda writes the story for a movie about a Rabbit named Jacko who lives on the planet Earth-19587 and doesn't clearly states it's not in the same universe as One Piece universe i can consider it canon?

>>154523894
I've also been arguing it has to be a part of the IP to be canon.

>>154523575
It's just a way to distinguish the core material of an IP from various spinoffs and adaptions. It makes conversation easier when there's a common agreement with in what content has priority in discussion.

It's become a huge fucking problem in the Dragon Ball fanbase, for instance. There's so many alternate versions of Dragon Ball between the manga, anime, various sequels to the anime, fan comics, videogames, abridged series' and liberal dubs, many of which outright contradict one another on a regular basis. When you have people asking why a character from the anime isn't appearing or referenced by the manga, when information from an MMO is being used as fact, or people coming off of GT and wondering why Super is completely different, it's important to categorize shit to keep everything straight.

It's important to have an agreement on what does and doesn't classify as universal information in a franchise that's massive and spans across dozens of different formats.

>>154523884

We just have one single sentence from the editor. He said "i told Oda i wanted more characters for sabaondy and he came back x hours after with the supernovaes". Doesn't mean they weren't going to happen in the story anyway.

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>>154523644
Unless my memory is serving me wrong, the Cover pages are only not cannon if they interfere interfere with the story, which to my knowledge none on them do. Like, say there was a cover page of Whitebeard battling Akainu on some island. That doesn't conflict unless it implies that it occurs post Whitebeard's death, like if Akinu had his facial scar. It could have happened at some indeterminate point in the past.

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>>154523884
He suggested more characters. he did not have any input as to what those characters looked like, acted or what their abilities were.

Again, the editor can make suggestions, but they do not create content.

>>154523884
Not really. The editors suggested that Sabaody be "spiced up" and Oda brought up the idea of introducing a bunch of new characters, which he then designed all of them and added them to the chapter draft in like 5 hours.

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>>154524067

Do you really believe they weren't supposed to be a thing yet?

>>154523929
Sure, canon is a method used to distinguish what materials is useful for speculation and extrapolation.

I think it's useful to view the scene between Lucci and Sabo as actually having occurred. The manga won't contradict it, and it allows us to extrapolate more about the relationship between these two characters.

>>154523413
Except that doesn't make any sense post timeskip if you applied a tiny bit of brain power

Whatever, it's not like story events are displayed in the cover pages, I was just pointing out that most wouldn't fit in the timeline. Pre-timeskip had plenty of places that would work however, at least before they meet Camie.

>>154524147
Don't know. Oda may have already had the idea in his head and only decided to add it in when the editors suggested the arc be more interesting, but that's just specultion.

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This is a good example of why it's good to distinguish if the anime is canon or not.

In the manga when wanda said this is wasn't too ominous, though a little suspicious. This scene made it blatantly obvious that something is going on with the minks and the full moon, and we know because oda oversees the production of the anime that this scene doesn't contradict his ideas of plans.

So do we consider supplemental embellishment like this scene canon, or non canon?

>>154524151
>The manga won't contradict it
But the manga does contradict it. The events of Film Gold happen directly after Dressrosa, yet somehow has the entire crew together without any of their current allies or guests. If the circumstances of their meeting contradict the manga then naturally they couldn't have occured in the main storyline, hence they aren't canon.

That doesn't mean we can't extrapolate information on certain character dynamics from material that isn't directly canon. It's why what-if scenarios exist in the first place. However, we should clarify if that information has any bearing on the main story or not, and it does not. Lucci and Sabo haven't officially met as of this point, and neither has the crew encountered Kuzan since he's affiliated himself with the Blackbeard Pirates despite his role in Film Z. When those things inevitably happen in the manga they'll likely play out differently.

>>154507344
Absolutely disgusting.

>>154524308
The anime adds so much shit and changes just as much I wouldn't even call it canon.

More like "loosely based on the actual canon".

>>154524151
You can think that all you want. But in the event that you try and use their interaction to justify something or make specultion it holds no relevance or weight in a discussion.

>>154524068
>headcanon.png

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>>154524376
but it has a perfect track record of foreshadowing future events, it hasn't contradicted anything yet.

the general rule is non-canon until proven canon, but for the anime it should be the opposite. we should assume the anime is canon until something actually contradicts the manga. sort of the same way the cover stories give us veritable imagery to extrapolate theories and speculation from

>>154524545
>we should assume the anime is canon until something actually contradicts the manga.
The anime fucks with the manga all the time and its production is a fucking mess.
You're overselling how much Oda actually has his hand in it.

>>154524308
It's non cannon until it is shown in the manga that the full moon does cause some effect on the minks, at which point this scene could been seen as an allusion to it.

We as fans can treat it as a potential hint, but taking it as cannon at this point would be getting ahead of ourselves.

>>154524376
Well it has to because of the medium

A lot of in-betweens that would be cut out in the manga are necessary to make the anime cohesive and not have jarring cuts all over

>>154524545
>the general rule is non-canon until proven canon, but for the anime it should be the opposite. we should assume the anime is canon until something actually contradicts the manga.

No, the anime also follows the general rule you mentioned.

The thing about cannon is that anything can be made into cannon by the creator, but once something is cannon, making it not so is a retcon and looked at poorly.

As such, until something from the manga or an SBS supports something from the anime, it should be considered non canon.

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>>154524603
>you're overselling how much Oda actually has his hand in it
>implying oda doesn't care immensely about the production of the one piece anime and has close relationships with the animators and voice actors
>implying he doesn't go out to watch each new episode and see childrens reactions

oda cares a lot about the anime. automatically assuming it's non canon shows ignorance of Oda's personal life

Jack ate the phoenix fruit instead of Mammoth. OP as fuck right?

>>154524781
We're not discussing if Oda cares about it. The topic was how large Oda's role is in the anime, which is very limited.

>>154524781
i like to imagine both luffy and zoro thought calligraphy and the guzheng would be easy, only for usopp and sanji to burst into laughter when zoro tried to make music. robin of course, finds it cute and endearing, watching passively

>>154519397
hngggggggh, the movie characters and implied backstories are canon and their arcs and/or deaths are canon, but without strawhat interaction. Think of the crew doing them in as some Johhny Does or Marines or w/e it's hard to explain if you do not grasp the concept.

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>>154524879
the point is that oda would never allow something misleading to appear in the anime. he would never give you a falseflag unless it's already established in the manga. so we can assume that scenes, like the mink moonlight scene, is canon

>>154524968
What's going on with Chopper? ODing on Cherry Blossoms?

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>>154525003
probably just being a sleepy cunt

notice anythign coincidental about this spread?

>>154525001
I think it is a bridge too far to say that you have to assume they are cannon.

They are scenes that give potential hints at future developments in the cannon. However, since they are not confirmed yet in the source material, they shouldn't be treated as cannon.

Something not being cannon does not prohibit it from becoming cannon. But assuming something is cannon when it isn't in the source material can lead to improper assumptions and expectations.

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>>154525063
that's why i say "assume" because there's a 99% chance that it will not contradict the manga.

IMO getting carried away with hints and speculation about the anime is better than instantly shutting down anything that might generate actual discussion about theories/potential foreshadowing

>>154525061

Carrot is actually remote controlled by Pedro?

>>154525063
Boa Sandersonia should eat people.

>>154525184
The thing with the anime is that it's less about throwing in foreshadowing that wasn't in the manga and more embellishing things that already were. And getting caught up in their adaptions take on things can lead to assuming something means more than it really does.

People are doing this with Carrot right now, taking her filler scenes where she's talking with Luffy as a way to hype her join the crew, when in actuality they're padding out the episode time with stuff that'll tie back into things already confirmed in the manga (her sneaking aboard the Sunny). They gave this same treatment to Marguerite in Amazon Lily too, adding extensively to the scenes of her and Luffy together in a way that might lead you to misread her importance as a character.

When they do create foreshadowing from scratch its usually to explain something in retrospect, like Luffy supposedly discovering Gear 2 in Movie 7 after Gear 2 was a thing. That or they introduce elements that end up completely off-base, like the focus on dragons in the Ocean's Dream and Warship Island arcs in comparison to how dragons are treated in Punk Hazard, or Jonathan being Akainu's protege despite the two having nothing in common when it comes to their sense of justice or how they go about running their respective branches of the Marines.

Going back to your example, the thing with the full moon influencing Minks always already in the manga, the anime just has a lot less nuance about it.

>>154525061
>luffy has X under eye
>X = nakama

i always knew pedro and carrot would join as a pair

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>>154526044
take a closer look

>>154525732
Marguerite really would have been a fitting crew member though, in a variety of ways

>third female
>blonde completes the known hair colour trifecta of bloned, brunette and redhead
>more of a fighter than Nami or Robin
>already knew haki so further developing it and getting stronger would make sense during the timeskip
>unique naivety and perspective of the world allows for unique interpretations and reactions to events and characters
>connection to Amazons for the new bounty poster reaction cover pages
>has a snake that could be like an actual pet for the crew, doing it's own thing on the ship

Only thing she really lacked were quirks or gags but they could have just as easily been added later

Also she came along at a point in the story that would make the reunion much different after the timeskip since she hadn't even met the rest of the crew

>>154525732
Don't forget Zoro cutting metal before Alabasta

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>>154526447
That's the point.

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>>154513517
Kudos to what anon noticed this last thread.