Just the small hints like this....
OP, don't start the shipping shit. Post something funny.
well the next episodes are filler and will have marine carrot so you can expect lots more when those air. If you think it's bad now just wait until the new opening comes out that full of her
I'm no LuNa fag either. Don't lump me in with you fags. I'm just here to see how this series ends.
Is that like how much he can regenerate at once. Like if hes taking a continuous attack?
Or that he has a flat amount he can regenerate since he got the power and after that he can only turn into the phoenix?
someone asked for this to be posted last thread, sorry i was too late
Probably the former.
I think it's just standard, relatively low healing factor. Like he can survive fatal injuries but probably won't pick up his own decapited head to bludgeon you with it.
I hope so.
The idea of somebody losing the unique part of their devil fruit power especially a rare mythical zoan one really rubs me the wrong way
Juxtaposed both scenes. He just kept running.
It's more than likely that he can't just regenerate all day. Regeneration probably takes some stamina out of him
Best Vice Admiral and I hope we see him soon
Yes, it's canon. But, no one should be excepted to remember everything from the SBS, and stating that the source is "the fucking manga" suggests there's a statement or scene showing that in the actual comic.
Post fights that were as ballin' as possible.
I've been missing these threads a lot (unlike Monet who didn't miss noticing Chopper because she threw the note) any new updates on the meta?
That's a lot of assumptions dude. I don't think your headcanon about haoshoku haki is true. According to what you say, Don Chinjao should've lost it after Garp crushed his dream and even more now that Sai took his place. Rayleigh shouldn't have it.
Not really. Everything (aside of obvious jokes) said in SBS is true to the manga and as such are valid in forming arguments, but for all intents and purposes it's just a trivia segment. One can read the whole manga without the SBS and generally not have a problem understanding it, You don't have to know the whole manga + SBS + interviews by heart to discuss it for cryiing out loud
Busoshoku Haki was a mistake
Yeah sure,keep dreaming
>One can read the whole manga without the SBS
You could, but why would you deny yourself? If you're going to read an 850+ chapter long series why not read 100 or so trivia pages too?
This fight pushed the brink of human limits believability. I'm not quite sure how to word it but it felt like there was weight behind the characters movements. I feel like that impact is gone now.
Yeah, I hope we get more characters equal, or near-equal, to Luffy in strength.
Best pairing! Incredible chemistry in the manga and great doujins!
I know Marineford arc was really good but hoped to see more damage on the Admirals. I mean Marco or Jozu should have been able to done some damage on Kizaru. Fucker was just having a troll face during the whole war.
Truly a man among men
Magellan is niche and stronger than a lot of people, hence his job position. He's not equal to Luffy in strength though. I guess I would define strength as physical strength in this scenario.
Kuzan isn't even comparable as he's nowhere near equal to Luffy. Remember this is a spectrum,
I'm certain Kuzan would still shit all over Luffy right now.
It would be interesting to see a Sentoumaru rematch.
Marco was too busy screaming "POOOOOPS" and getting shot while Jozu was getting his arm frozen off. Overall the Whitebeard pirates made a terrible showing
>Aokiji bleed because of Jozu
Yeah, I remember this one
> Kizaru din't damage Marco either.
Fair enough. I guess because both Whitebeard and Akainu took a lot of damage I kinda wanted some big named casualities.
I don't agree. For me Marco is easily as strong as Kizaru. I even believe he would win in a straight 1v1. Jozu and Ace were probably not as strong as an admiral but still close. Not possible to really judge Vista.
Give him a few minutes.
Ace was a faggot and only got commander title because of his 1) lineage and wbs history with Roger and 2) mera mera is super powerful. Wb was passively trying to groom Ace to be pk. Ace was weakest commander, probably.
Marco got shot, handcuffed by a VA, shot again, and then left after failing to accomplish anything. His biggest achievement was the gay fireworks display he preformed at the start
Vista at least stood up to the world's greatest swordsman and Jozu is a bit forgivable since he spent half the fight tied by Doffy
>thread is full of people who don't read the sbs
Based on what? His regeneration? Again, he did almost nothing the entire war except get BTFO with no display of strength. He's not gonna be able to just sit there and regenerate all day while Aokiji is blasting him with ice spears and haki
Yup, honestly Ace is underrated as fuck. Not saying he was admiral lvl but he wasn't that far off.
Agreed. Important to remember that during childhood fights ace didn't lose to Luffy once.
Now obviously Luffy got a much bigger grasp on what he could do being a rubber man since then, but Ace got better as well.
Not to mention the power by default that comes with being a Logia.
>Is that why Kizaru destroyed him with lasers the entire war?
never happened, he could still walk after getting shot by his lazer even with seastone handcuffs on
there's nothing that says Marco could beat Kizaru doe
They will always have gags until the very end when Nami returns Sanji love.
Not the anon you're responding to but Oda's actually done trivia regarding how often each Straw Hat showers.
The girls and Sanji wash everyday. Luffy, Zoro and Brook wash once a week. The rest go every three days.
Honestly It's not reall shocking for Brook, he his a skeleton, he don't sweat or anything. Zoro on the other end to exercice all the day, he must stink as hell at the end of the week.
The anon I responded to said they shower once a month. And that was in response to a post about Carrot who is a girl so probably showers every day with the other girls... and Sanji
plinkett's force awakens review
>one piece is following the ring theory almost to the letter
>monet cover story
You mean the reveal, alignment, joining, departing and proper joining arcs, followed by several sagas of power expansion and climax of Monet v. Aokiji? I don't know. I mean these threads will probably be /v/ consolewar level shade getting thrown.
And yeah, it's me. One of us anyway.
Also I'm not going to do a back and forth because I gotta go to bed for work now.
in the final one piece chapter the story arc will be about zoro and how his female childhood friend got murdered by her own father for trying to be a female swordsman
>implying ANYONE else would be the pirate queen
How the fuck does Luffy not make the organs of people he attacks explode? I mean shit Kong Elephant Gun quaked Dressrosa a fucking country thats more force than any nuke detonated on earth.
Sanji and the crew will be very happy for them.
Does anyone find the power levels of One Piece characters ridiculous for their setting?
I mean Whitebeard is rumored to be able to destroy the Red Line which frankly is ludicrous since the world takes place on small ass islands so destroying small ass islands should be the highest potential power level they can reach.
Why do people waste time arguing about shipping or power levels? The first will never matter and the second is entirely subject to the needs of the narrative. Neither has any objective truth or answers to be hashed out.
Anon the Red Line is probably 2x the mass of North America just stretched around the globe, the energy it would take to just destroy the surface area of that is fucking amazing compared to sinking some tiny ass island.
>I mean Whitebeard is rumored to be able to destroy the Red Line which frankly is ludicrous since the world takes place on small ass islands so destroying small ass islands should be the highest potential power level they can reach.
>doesn't fit in the timeline
The only film he was completely in charge of is Strong World, which was a story he gutted from the manga and can be seen as a "what-if" scenario. The characters are canon but that's the extent of it's weight in the main series.
He was not nearly as heavily involved in the others, especially Gold.
The fact Oda is only credited for some character designs and as an executive producer in Z and Gold, and was even less involved for everything prior to Strong World.
Things outright not written by him hardly qualify as canon.
That's not a reason to call them non-canon
Oda has been a part of the committee creating them for the last three. Why would they not be canon? As I recall we learned about the fight between Aokiji and Akainu from the movies before the manga.
Certain characters, like Shiki and Zephyr, are official backstory if states by Oda or mentioned outright in the manga. Nobody disputes that Chapter 0 is canon, for instance.
The films based on them, however, are not.
>The films based on them, however, are not.
This is such an arbitrary stance to take. We agree the characters are real, we agree the backstories are real, but the specific events of the film are non-canon because----? I guess because Oda didn't take time out to explicitly reference their events, because goodness knows we get flashback chapters referencing every previous fight the Strawhats have gone through at least once an arc.
no, just no. the SBS is actually a part of the manga and it specifically answers questions about the manga itself.
the movies are just movies. they're not a part of the ORIGINAL source material, they're adaptations and recreations of the source material.
> but the specific events of the film are non-canon because----?
For one, because outside of Strong World he didn't fucking write them. He concepted some characters, gave them to the anime team and let the take it from there. This is a thing he does with stuff beyond movies too, but you're not going to start arguing that the Bandai games or stage play characters are canon parts of the universe when they exist solely for spin-off material and merchandising shit. Are color spreads and omakes canon too, because Oda drew them?
They're "canon" to the TV series, because Toei Animation produced them for it. They are separate products from his manga, which is its own separate entity from the anime. Learn the difference.
Secondly, trying to argue things like Z and Gold are canon when they can't feasibly fit into the storyline under any circumstances is ridiculous. Being adaptions that don't adhere to the source material is the very definition of non-canon.
The things that are considered to the manga are the main volumes, chapter 0, anything serious mentioned in SBS, and Monsters. That's it.
you don't need to argue with someone who doesn't understand what the word "canon" means, just ignore him. he'll keep shitposting forever
there's an inconsistence in this movie that says this would be the first time Brook fights under Luffy's command. In the manga and anime, Brook says the fight against the Flying Fish Pirates is his first fight as a Straw Hat.
N O T C A N O N
Strong World logically has to take place between Thriller Bark and Sabaody, because the entire crew is there.
At Sabaody, Zoro's wounds from Kuma reopened. He wasn't injured in Strong World.
Luffy doesn't wear the armband (map to Captain John's treasure) that he put on at the end of Thriller Bark.
>In fiction, canon is the material accepted as officially part of the story in an individual universe of that story. It is often contrasted with, or used as the basis for, works of fan fiction. The alternative terms mythology, timeline, and continuity are often used, with the former being especially to refer to a richly detailed fictional canon requiring a large degree of suspension of disbelief (e.g. an entire imaginary world and history), while the latter two typically refer to a single arc WHERE ALL EVENTS ARE DIRECTLY CONNECTED CHRONOLOGICALLY. Other times, the word can mean "TO BE ACKNOLDGED BY THE CREATOR'S)."
Then it would be considered canon and that would be that. Until then, it's not canon. I would love to see Oda explain how Luffy canonically beat Shiki (someone of Gol D. Roger's level) before timeskip.
>tell them to stop
Are you really this dumb or are you shitposting?
Everything outside of the manga isn't canon because the manga is literally the only official and original source of information regarding anything in OP.
Things that are canon:
>"monsters" one shot
Things that are not canon:
thank you for calling out his inevitable bullshit
Do you think Carrots massive popularity among fans will influence whether Oda writes her onto the crew permanently or not?
The manga is the source material.
The films are spinoffs of an adaption of that source material. They are separate from the main story, neither referenced nor fitting into the ongoing continuity of the comic. They are written, directed, animated and scripted by people who are not the original author. Many key characters in said films aren't even designed by him, and in the case of earlier films may not have involved him at all.
Things that aren't official parts of the source material aren't canon. Trivia written in volumes between chapters, things mentioned directly by the author in interviews, these are things that can be considered official information on that source material. Anything not coming from his mouth or created by him is immediately assumed to not be official unless states otherwise, because that's the nature of canonicity. It's dismissed until proven.
We can argue about Strong World if you want. That film was overseen by author to the point he had them change Robin's eye colors to fit her manga colorization, and although it has some contradictions with the manga they're relatively minor compared to films like Film Gold and Island of Strange Animals where the characters are being featured in impossible circumstances. But that is an exception, one that's been debated for years and still doesn't have a clear statement from the author, not the rule. And regardless of whether its "canon" or not it will never be directly mentioned in the source material because he doesn't want to alienate readers who've only followed his comic, making the whole conversation fucking pointless to begin with.
You can't casually change the normal interpretations of words because they don't suit your stance. That's called shitposting.
here you go
People with a functioning brain and understanding of what is official and what is not without being told: 99% of people who read One Piece
People who are retarded and can't: (You)
miniarcs are the cover stories oda writes, like enel goign to the moon or ace being saved by milk-girl.
the anime is sometimes canon and sometimes not, it's on and off really. there's a lot of supplemental scenery and character interaction that doesn't exist in the manga, whether that makes it canon or not is up for debate.
Find me the source the that says my GoT fanfic isn't canon. Keep in mind GRRM hating fan fics does not indicate non-canon.
Show me where Trigger said the manga isn't canon and then explain where the fuck Akko's BF is?
>Blackbeards hobbies include: gambling and historical research
blackbeard is going to discover the mystery of one piece around the same as luffy isn't he?
This is probably the first good argument. I see where you're coming from, and I suppose my only question is what the purpose of considering something to be canon is. As you've noted, Oda is unlikely to ever truly contradict or confirm whether or not Strong World is part of the canon, but for that state to continue he has to write the story as though it could have happened. If that's the case, why would I ignore it? Similarly, I think he maintains that balance with most of the films. If they all could be true, why shouldn't I treat them as true?
you dense motherfucker. the definition of "non-canon" is anything that's not a part of the original source material. the manga is the original source material, therefore anything that's not in the manga is non-canon.
Because creator input does not mean they're cannon. The default is for movies based on a manga to be non-cannon, unless they are adapting already made material or are explicitly stated to be cannon.
>why is it important to distinguish things that actually happened from things that were just fabricated and thus hold no relevance or basis in any discussion about said source material
Gee, who knows?
the answer is there, you're just too stupid to understand it. I know it's you, the weekly shitposter that makes some outrageous claim in effort to get (You)s and run the thread in circles with the the equivalent of "lol no" as an answer.
Do yourself a favor and kill yourself
What is canon about colorspreads? Some of them are just pictures without context that could fit anywhere but others showcase a wide variety of locales. They wouldn't fit in the timeline.
But for all intents and purposes, they did happen. The characters must be written such that they could have happened, and events can't ever outright contradict them. Within the reasons you're laying out here, they might as well be canon.
they are canon because they are entirely drawn and envisioned by oda, and they have no effect on the plot. as for what wouldn't fit in the timeline, do you have any examples?
No, you're retarded because no one else struggles with this. The only people who do are the people who ride the short bus, i.e (you).
Cannon in the case of a manga with a single author, is everything included in the source material. What is the source material? Anything created by author.
Does Oda wholly write the manga? Then the writings in it are cannon.
Are the designs of characters and places made by Oda? Then those are cannon.
Does Oda create the answers to SBS? Then those are cannon answers.
Does Oda write the cover stories? Then those cover stories are cannon.
Is Oda the sole credited creator of the Anime? Did he write and draw and storyboard the movies by himself (or is the only one credited as creating them)? No? Then those are not cannon unless he specifically states otherwise.
The reason someone like Shiki is cannon is because he appeared in the original source material.
Now go and choke on that paste you were eating before you got your computer privileges back you fucking mongoloid.
If Strong World was canon Luffy's bounty would be sky high and Shiki would be mentioned more often. Also, for a legend who competed with the strongest of Roger's era to get smacked around by Gear Second is laughable in hindsight.
The character of Shiki and his backstory excluding the events that set Strong World in motion are what is canon.
>If that's the case, why would I ignore it?
There's no reason to ignore it. I actually recommend Strong World to everyone I recommend the manga to, it's a good film that compliments the manga well and gives some needed screen time as crew members to Franky and Brook before the split-up at Sabaody. Likewise, I think Baron Omatsuri and the G-8 arc are better than many parts of the manga itself and a must-watch for people looking for more One Piece after catching up with the comic.
But just because they're good supplementary materials that doesn't mean they're official parts of the manga's ongoing story or universe. Oda himself would need to come out and tell us that they are for that to be true. Non-Canon is often treated as a bad thing, because it goes hand in hand with mediocre fillers and cash-in stuff, but it doesn't inherently have less value. Just don't expect Vice Admiral Johnathan to appear alongside the rest of the Vice Admirals during the finale war.
>Similarly, I think he maintains that balance with most of the films
The only films that can arguably fit into the manga's storyline at all are One Piece: The Movie, Dead End Adventure and Strong World. The rest have an absence of characters like Vivi, Robin or Law who should be there at that point in the story, have characters who shouldn't be there like Sanji in the most recent one, or take place between arcs that don't provide extra room for an adventure to happen like Skypeia and Long Ring Long Land.
>royalty doesnt choose their mates
Pirates do though
and of the Princess characters she was the only one that left her home island
You are being to stringent. If Oda had a direct hand in it or even approved it as part of the story it is canon.
No df is allowed to be used without Oda's approval so it doesn't conflict with the main story. And all the enemies usually die so the fruits are freed up for later use. Because of this I say its canon
I can understand your first point but what do you mean examples for the second? Look at the sheer amount of post timeskip colourspreads with the Straw Hats hanging out with animals in different locations. When would this have happened? Since they arrived in the New World they have been on a very clear path through to the present. In fact, the crew has actually been separated longer than they have been together since they regrouped.
It's very clear that many of the colourspreads wouldn't fit anywhere in the story.
he was not the sole writer, nor was he the director or the artist or the storyboarder.
He needs to be in full creative control, with no other creative mind interfering.
Consider the media of One Piece in the context of "does Oda have sole creative influence of the final product?"
Cover Stories? Yes.
Color Spreads? Yes.
Anime? No. There are other writers and artists and directors and producers and companies involved in its creation. Same thing goes for:
Strong World suffers the same chronology issues as the others. At this point, I suppose, I'm trying to work out what the value is in calling something canon vs non-canon. From my perspective, if it's an official part of the IP, and later material doesn't outright deny it, then it's probably part of the story.
That depends on what you mean by sole writer. Oda is credited as the sole writer on the story, meaning the entire plot was his idea. The only thing done by someone else was turning that story into a screenplay.
>From my perspective, if it's an official part of the IP, and later material doesn't outright deny it, then it's probably part of the story.
That's the problem.
You're taking an "innocent until proven guilty" approach to it. Anything not directly stated to be unofficial material by the creator is free game, no matter how loosely involved he was or the nature of the media.
But the general consensus, not just for One Piece but practically every work of fiction on the planet, is the opposite. Until the creators given his word on something with a shaky status we assume it's not.
No it doesn't because you don't know what canon is. What's canon is in the source material. The source material is the manga.
Oda working on a movie doesn't make it canon because it's not the source material.
Just a friendly reminder that Cross Epoch exists
Hirohiko Uesaka is credited as a script writer for Strong World.
And again, unless Oda was also the Director, producer, and storyboard artist for the movie, then it is not cannon. And even if he was all of those (he wasn't), then there would still be an issue of not being the sole animator as well.
Fucking WB was on a cover page recently. And alive. This motherfucker is somewhat right, it's not as easy. Colorspreads are canons? I don't think so, most of them don't fit in the continuity of the manga. Do i consider all of these marines canon? Yup.
Wait, are you under the impression that Oda has no assistants for the manga? Or that his story isn't influenced by an editor who has serious input on what happens in the story?
Also, see pic for writing credits
No, it has to be explicitly stated as cannon, or needs to appear in full in the source material to be considered cannon.
Something cannot be cannon only because it has not been denied otherwise. Cannon is a membership to a club, not a inherent right of any content.
Of course Oda has assistants, but they aren't credited and do not have any input into the creation of the story. Assistants serve to lessen the menial art workload, like with backgrounds.
Editors have input in the beginning of a manga, but they are setting guidelines and suggestions, and not generally actively creating material.
An editor edits existing material, they do not create new material.
By your logic. If one day Oda writes the story for a movie about a Rabbit named Jacko who lives on the planet Earth-19587 and doesn't clearly states it's not in the same universe as One Piece universe i can consider it canon?
It's just a way to distinguish the core material of an IP from various spinoffs and adaptions. It makes conversation easier when there's a common agreement with in what content has priority in discussion.
It's become a huge fucking problem in the Dragon Ball fanbase, for instance. There's so many alternate versions of Dragon Ball between the manga, anime, various sequels to the anime, fan comics, videogames, abridged series' and liberal dubs, many of which outright contradict one another on a regular basis. When you have people asking why a character from the anime isn't appearing or referenced by the manga, when information from an MMO is being used as fact, or people coming off of GT and wondering why Super is completely different, it's important to categorize shit to keep everything straight.
It's important to have an agreement on what does and doesn't classify as universal information in a franchise that's massive and spans across dozens of different formats.
We just have one single sentence from the editor. He said "i told Oda i wanted more characters for sabaondy and he came back x hours after with the supernovaes". Doesn't mean they weren't going to happen in the story anyway.
Unless my memory is serving me wrong, the Cover pages are only not cannon if they interfere interfere with the story, which to my knowledge none on them do. Like, say there was a cover page of Whitebeard battling Akainu on some island. That doesn't conflict unless it implies that it occurs post Whitebeard's death, like if Akinu had his facial scar. It could have happened at some indeterminate point in the past.
He suggested more characters. he did not have any input as to what those characters looked like, acted or what their abilities were.
Again, the editor can make suggestions, but they do not create content.
Not really. The editors suggested that Sabaody be "spiced up" and Oda brought up the idea of introducing a bunch of new characters, which he then designed all of them and added them to the chapter draft in like 5 hours.
Sure, canon is a method used to distinguish what materials is useful for speculation and extrapolation.
I think it's useful to view the scene between Lucci and Sabo as actually having occurred. The manga won't contradict it, and it allows us to extrapolate more about the relationship between these two characters.
Except that doesn't make any sense post timeskip if you applied a tiny bit of brain power
Whatever, it's not like story events are displayed in the cover pages, I was just pointing out that most wouldn't fit in the timeline. Pre-timeskip had plenty of places that would work however, at least before they meet Camie.
This is a good example of why it's good to distinguish if the anime is canon or not.
In the manga when wanda said this is wasn't too ominous, though a little suspicious. This scene made it blatantly obvious that something is going on with the minks and the full moon, and we know because oda oversees the production of the anime that this scene doesn't contradict his ideas of plans.
So do we consider supplemental embellishment like this scene canon, or non canon?
>The manga won't contradict it
But the manga does contradict it. The events of Film Gold happen directly after Dressrosa, yet somehow has the entire crew together without any of their current allies or guests. If the circumstances of their meeting contradict the manga then naturally they couldn't have occured in the main storyline, hence they aren't canon.
That doesn't mean we can't extrapolate information on certain character dynamics from material that isn't directly canon. It's why what-if scenarios exist in the first place. However, we should clarify if that information has any bearing on the main story or not, and it does not. Lucci and Sabo haven't officially met as of this point, and neither has the crew encountered Kuzan since he's affiliated himself with the Blackbeard Pirates despite his role in Film Z. When those things inevitably happen in the manga they'll likely play out differently.
You can think that all you want. But in the event that you try and use their interaction to justify something or make specultion it holds no relevance or weight in a discussion.
but it has a perfect track record of foreshadowing future events, it hasn't contradicted anything yet.
the general rule is non-canon until proven canon, but for the anime it should be the opposite. we should assume the anime is canon until something actually contradicts the manga. sort of the same way the cover stories give us veritable imagery to extrapolate theories and speculation from
>we should assume the anime is canon until something actually contradicts the manga.
The anime fucks with the manga all the time and its production is a fucking mess.
You're overselling how much Oda actually has his hand in it.
It's non cannon until it is shown in the manga that the full moon does cause some effect on the minks, at which point this scene could been seen as an allusion to it.
We as fans can treat it as a potential hint, but taking it as cannon at this point would be getting ahead of ourselves.
>the general rule is non-canon until proven canon, but for the anime it should be the opposite. we should assume the anime is canon until something actually contradicts the manga.
No, the anime also follows the general rule you mentioned.
The thing about cannon is that anything can be made into cannon by the creator, but once something is cannon, making it not so is a retcon and looked at poorly.
As such, until something from the manga or an SBS supports something from the anime, it should be considered non canon.
>you're overselling how much Oda actually has his hand in it
>implying oda doesn't care immensely about the production of the one piece anime and has close relationships with the animators and voice actors
>implying he doesn't go out to watch each new episode and see childrens reactions
oda cares a lot about the anime. automatically assuming it's non canon shows ignorance of Oda's personal life
i like to imagine both luffy and zoro thought calligraphy and the guzheng would be easy, only for usopp and sanji to burst into laughter when zoro tried to make music. robin of course, finds it cute and endearing, watching passively
hngggggggh, the movie characters and implied backstories are canon and their arcs and/or deaths are canon, but without strawhat interaction. Think of the crew doing them in as some Johhny Does or Marines or w/e it's hard to explain if you do not grasp the concept.
the point is that oda would never allow something misleading to appear in the anime. he would never give you a falseflag unless it's already established in the manga. so we can assume that scenes, like the mink moonlight scene, is canon
probably just being a sleepy cunt
notice anythign coincidental about this spread?
I think it is a bridge too far to say that you have to assume they are cannon.
They are scenes that give potential hints at future developments in the cannon. However, since they are not confirmed yet in the source material, they shouldn't be treated as cannon.
Something not being cannon does not prohibit it from becoming cannon. But assuming something is cannon when it isn't in the source material can lead to improper assumptions and expectations.
that's why i say "assume" because there's a 99% chance that it will not contradict the manga.
IMO getting carried away with hints and speculation about the anime is better than instantly shutting down anything that might generate actual discussion about theories/potential foreshadowing
The thing with the anime is that it's less about throwing in foreshadowing that wasn't in the manga and more embellishing things that already were. And getting caught up in their adaptions take on things can lead to assuming something means more than it really does.
People are doing this with Carrot right now, taking her filler scenes where she's talking with Luffy as a way to hype her join the crew, when in actuality they're padding out the episode time with stuff that'll tie back into things already confirmed in the manga (her sneaking aboard the Sunny). They gave this same treatment to Marguerite in Amazon Lily too, adding extensively to the scenes of her and Luffy together in a way that might lead you to misread her importance as a character.
When they do create foreshadowing from scratch its usually to explain something in retrospect, like Luffy supposedly discovering Gear 2 in Movie 7 after Gear 2 was a thing. That or they introduce elements that end up completely off-base, like the focus on dragons in the Ocean's Dream and Warship Island arcs in comparison to how dragons are treated in Punk Hazard, or Jonathan being Akainu's protege despite the two having nothing in common when it comes to their sense of justice or how they go about running their respective branches of the Marines.
Going back to your example, the thing with the full moon influencing Minks always already in the manga, the anime just has a lot less nuance about it.
Marguerite really would have been a fitting crew member though, in a variety of ways
>blonde completes the known hair colour trifecta of bloned, brunette and redhead
>more of a fighter than Nami or Robin
>already knew haki so further developing it and getting stronger would make sense during the timeskip
>unique naivety and perspective of the world allows for unique interpretations and reactions to events and characters
>connection to Amazons for the new bounty poster reaction cover pages
>has a snake that could be like an actual pet for the crew, doing it's own thing on the ship
Only thing she really lacked were quirks or gags but they could have just as easily been added later
Also she came along at a point in the story that would make the reunion much different after the timeskip since she hadn't even met the rest of the crew
That's the point.
Kudos to what anon noticed this last thread.
Also this was just a few chapters before we found out Sanji was from North Blue.
Back when she was first introduced I was totally convinced she'd become a major ally or new crewmate. Her design stood out more than other female characters initially, nobody expected Hancock to turn out the way she did, and I didn't think the series would actually commit to a big timeskip so I figured Luffy would need someone to teach him Haki throughout the adventure.
But I was also like 14 and had only recently caught up with the manga after sticking to the dub and anime for so many years, so I was itching for actual crewmate speculation given how blatant Franky and Brook joining was. I'm sure older and more intelligent fans immediately recognized her to be the arcs Conis.
By the time I was on board with the sub it was already well into Enies Lobby.
Only the most diehard Paulie supporters were still vouching for him after the Fukuro fight and that Vs. CP9 color spread.
I actually was around for the Brook vs. Perona shit during Thriller Bark but that was as fucking stupid as the current Monet discussion.
No he didn't. He designed characters and gave them to the movie team.
Chapter 0 is canon sure, but if you honestly believe that PRE-TIMESKIP Luffy can beat someone on the level of Roger, Whitebeard, Garp and Sengoku then you are a fool.
>Only the most diehard Paulie supporters were still vouching for him after the Fukuro fight and that Vs. CP9 color spread.
Yeah but that all came way after Water 7, during which Franky was a villain who DISMANTLED ships rather than building them and a whole bunch of quirky carpenters had been introduced.
>I think it's useful to view the scene between Lucci and Sabo as actually having occurred. The manga won't contradict it, and it allows us to extrapolate more about the relationship between these two characters.
What fucking interaction? Their meeting was absolutely pointless. All they did was skrimish for two seconds purely for fan service. It served no purpose what so ever and is not canon.
More then Paulie joining, I thought he should have just had a rope devil fruit to explain what he could do. I know there are all kinds of weird non-devil fruit abilities but the amount of rope he used to save everyone from falling at Enies Lobby was so ridiculous that just explaining it with "rope power" would have been fine.
It's not like anything would be different about him besides not being able to swim, and he doesn't swim during the events of that saga
>but it has a perfect track record of foreshadowing future events, it hasn't contradicted anything yet.
Okay this is bait at the point and you clearly haven't read the manga and you only watch the anime.
Oh yeah, I won't deny that there was a huge bait and switch with Paulie and Franky initially.
By him blatantly being a crewmate I meant during Enies Lobby. I should have specified that.
Isn't it implied Garp had it in his fight with Don Chinjao? To say he "works for" anyone is a stretch. He gets respect from everyone for wearing the same uniform as them but does whatever the fuck he wants.
It's already confirmed he's going to appear in Wano...I really hope he's not such a disappointment as he was at Marineford but I don't really understand how he can be a threat unless he and all the captains massively powered up but considering they lost all their territory and went into hiding, you would think they would all be less powerful and depressed
In the anime Zeff cuts his leg off when it gets caught in the anchor chain. In the manga he hacks it off with a rock to eat it. The anime version was dumb and pointless, the manga version actually tied to the situation he and Sanji were in.
Ok I'll take your fucking bait.
In the anime Zeff rips off his leg with an anchor underwater.
In the manga, Zeff eats his own leg.
In the anime, Zoro cuts steel chains before Alabasta and before defeating Mr 1.
Also the crew sees a dragon before Punk Hazard.
Then there is the bullshit Toei does in Luffy's fights that make him seem weak.
Luffy vs Caesar final clash ahd Luffy struggling to push him with Grizzly Magnum. In the manga it was instant.
Same thing happened with King Kong Gun against Doffy, anime made him struggle and look weak.
Oh so you're like a SjW at this point? Changing the definitions of things to suit your agenda? No more replies for you cancerous cunt.
I want Dellinger to cum inside me.
You can kill all the faggots and there will still be more because they're born from straight couples.
But there's still going to be more. Like you. Just deal with it before Iva turns you into a girl.
>do you think Bartolomeo's massive popularity among fans will influence whether Oda writes him onto the crew permanently
He literally has six of the ten most popular characters currently written out of the series for an extended period, he does not give a fuck and everything he does will be popular
Oda's never been the type to modify his story significantly based on fan expectations.
He's shown that he'd had prototypes for the whole crew before he even started the series.
This, personally I always wish the stuff in the colorspreads was canon but it's frustrating to realize very little of it is actually possible...but I guess we can just assume it does happen at some point, we just haven't reached that point yet in the series...everyone's been accounted for, for every day since Camie came into the manga so it's not really possible to just fit things into that time period
Surely someone has better versions of these.
>Robin isn't there
>Pilaf is on the crew
This i just prove Oda is willing to change drastically from his original plan.
No, the bandana guy is Robin - I can't read moon, but from what I remember, it's written he's not a history guy, but a plant guy instead, which implies Robin replaced him. And manlet fishman is Franky - he's a carpenter.
Tricorn guy was Usopp.
The midget with a hammer was the original carpenter before Franky.
The bandana guy was a prisoner dude who liked plants or something. It seems like some of him ended up in Franky and Usopp.
Robin is the one character missing from all the early drafts, which I'm guessing means he didn't originally conceive the poneglyphs until later on.
Well the story was supposed to be over in 5 years, no way to fit in the Void Century conspiracy stuff then.
Which makes me wonder if One Piece really has anything to do with that stuff.
It absolutely does.
Given that both versions of Romance Dawn lack Roger and the One Piece I'd assume he just didn't have the big treasure hunt part planned until he was forced to start developing the story beyond the pilots.
I'm guessing he or the editorial staff thought the crew shouldn't be such a sausage fest after all
Nami being the sole woman would make it harder for her as the journey went on too
Will Wano reveal Zoro's super-secret sob-story past from before he met Kuina?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Wano dived deeper into Zoro's past to explain how he ended up at the dojo and what his family was like. Other early crewmates have been getting updated flashbacks to bring them up to the same level of tragedy as the other post-Arlong Park ones, and Wano is the best place to do it with Zoro.
Usopp probably won't but he's got Elbaf and Yasopp for character development.
When will Oda reveal that Kuina is Tashigi and she just went into a coma and got amnesia when she fell down the stairs?
Oda on flightless birds "Just because a bird cannot fly doesn't mean it never will"
Tashigi and Kuina=flightless birds
Chopper doesn't need one and Nami shouldn't get one.
Franky doesn't either, to be honest, but his dad specifically being a pirate makes me expect that plot point to come back in the future. Most One Piece parents are never mentioned or dead, so that sticks out like a sore thumb.
I totally expect some info about Brook's time as a soldier in West Blue too. I'm still an advocate of the theory that he and Lafitte come from the same kingdom.
And yet Shanks tried to stop Ace from going after Blackbeard, Kaido from going after Whitebeard and then showed up at Marineford to end the whole mess.
He's obviously trying to keep the peace.
Brook vs Lafitte cane-sword duel?
Before Zou, I fought he might pick the interest of Kaido with his rumble balls, maybe even temporary joining him (likely to save the crew or something), but now that we've got Sanji rescue plot it would feel dumb.
The thing is, while Chopper has no "blank period" in his past, Hiluluk has. Maybe the miracle sakura, that originally cured him was on Wano. Mabybe we can meet someone knowing him there.
Foretelling disaster before it happened
He knew it was going to shake the world and he also knew what Blackbeard was like. He even mentions how Blackbeard might come for Whitebeard's seat one day.
>just a fucking bipedal deer
My fucking sides.
Also Chopper should show up as just a regular reindeer more. Gay as shit how they're making him run around as Kung-fu point in Punk Hazard lol when his fucking regular body would be faster.
Chopper has already developed in terms of wanting to become a monster just for Luffy, when he used to be a pussy and feared becoming a monster.
He is also hugely developed as a doctor now.
>He is also hugely developed as a doctor now.
Chopper's role as a doctor has diminished over the years more than anything.
Ever since Law's introduction he's practically replaced him in the role.
Usopp developed immensely in Dressrosa.
Yeah he's still a coward but that's a core character trait. He will become more brave as end of story Usopp as that is his dream.
He developed on Dressrosa in terms of being true to himself. He didn't lie against Trebol and Sugar, he loudly proclaimed he is "Usopp! Sniper of the Strawhat Pirates."
This is what lead to him developing haki imo. As he normally lies, or hides behind the mask of Sogeking. Rayleigh stated the power of haki is the act of not doubting. Sogeking's mask is a form of doubt for Usopp. We won't be seeing Sogeking ever again imo.
Also Luffy gained the grand fleet due to Usopp telling the truth as well.
I can't stop laughing at this image
Is there any place where all the SBS are archived or something similar?
The devil fruits are the fragments of a deity that was banished to earth due to stuff mainly supporting ningen. The curse of the ocean is due to other deities wishing to eternally torment this deity with boredum by leaving it on a landmass. Originally there were more continents in One Piece but the deities destroyed them leaving behind islands that is how humans exist in impossible to evolve locations like the New World. The banished deity spent its time creating a gigantic organism called the devil tree that would fire the mystic fruit across the world. Those that consume this fruit gain one of the powers of the banished deity but also suffer from its curse of the ocean. Once a fruit user dies the tree produces a copy of the fruit then fires it again.
How devil fruits work?
A devil fruit is two things
A physical form of matter and a metaphysical devil. The devil is the source of the power while the matter is simply a way to enter a organism. Once consumed the devil becomes ome with the very soul of the user making the devil's traits including the curse of the ocean absolutely dominant also meaning devil fruits powers are impossible to remove using human science since they go far beyond genetics. In addition it means devil fruit powers cannot be passed down. As for how the devil creates the power, each devil has a random string of characters that determine its power, so the formation of devil fruits is random chance however once a devil is made another like that cannot thus there are never multiple devil fruits of the same kind. It also means you cannot copy a devil fruit no matter what you do. In addition you cannot make devil fruits that will never exist. Example the Ito Ito no mi is the manipulation of strings but what about a logia version? Nope doesnt exist thus will never exist.
How it works?
Gomu Gomu no mi
The devil overwrites Luffy's molecular structure to expand and multiply without killing him due to being metaphysical the devil can overwrite the laws of reality for its user for its powers to become possible.
Zoans simply have devils that interact with your DNA mutating you
Logia devils overwrite reality to allow their users to not die the instant they turn their brain into an element
A more pure form of this is the Nikyu Nikyu no mi. The devil in this fruit can repel and overwrite reality to make tgis repel anything. As such the Nikyu cando imposdible things like materialize an abstract concept like pain or stamina.
The Hobe Hobe contains a devil that overwrites the reality of whoever the user touchs this is why the toys dont instantly die the moment they become toys.
Thread turned to shit all of a sudden, what the hell?
Excuse my autism but it looks like I have to make up a new law of reality to make sense of devil fruit powers, they cant work with even shonen physics.
Though you have to change so many physical constants to make sense of them all.
For example Luffy's entire body would be a new form of very elastic matter not just flesh with a rubbery property because thats fucking nonsense.
Ms.Valentine would need to a way to explain how she can control her weight without changing her mass. So you need to introduce a new attractive force to make sense of this.
Kuma is what is this I dont even.
That's because you try to explain them with physic or science anon. But devil power work on a more conceptual level. BB didn't become a blackhole, he become Darkness, as in the concept of Darkness: mysterious, terryfing and able to devour everything, even the strongest and greatest man.
>spewing all that bullshit fanfic
Most likely explanation comin through:
>900 years ago a Great Kingdom shows technological and scientific prowess and making huge discoveries such as the lineage factor (a.k.a. DNA)
>The Great Kingdom is threatened by the 20 Kingdom conspiracy and weaponizes their discoveries (Uranus Pluton Poseidon AND Devil Fruits)
>Having decyphered the lineage factor they decide to enhance/give abilities to their soldiers
>They do it using a substance - the original that the S.A.D. sythesised by Caesar tried to copy.
>For the power not to be lost once the user dies, some bright mind makes it a self-replicant system by which the substance is stored on a fruit until consumption, and goes back to the nearest fruit once the user dies.
>Devil fruits are born
Ok imagine a devil fruit that gives you the power to shoot lasers from your hands.
How would it work? Well first we need a way to explain how the fuck you are creating energy from nowhere so