now that berserk is starting back up, it's time we truly

Casca for liking it

Griffith absolutely never ever in his life or afterlife did anything inherently wrong.

No one in the band of the hawk did anything wrong. They're all victims of circumstance. Femto raped Casca not Griffeth

Guts for not mercykilling Griffith.

>>154405445
I can't imagine anyone unironically defending Griffith.

>>154405813
If you think that he was wrong to sacrifice the band you're a fucking faggot

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>>154405813
he did what he had to for the greater good, this thing would have destroyed the world if he hadn't

>>154405868
How is killing all your comrades not wrong?

>>154405892
>extremely violent world
>head of a mercenary group
>they all pledge their lives to you
>you are a crippled husk of a man
>hundreds have already died for you, or 30 or so left
>opportunity to become God

You're actually a casual faggot if you wouldn't do exactly what he did

i can understand him up until he rapes casca in front of guts
then he just seems petty

New chapter when

>>154405936
>You're actually a casual faggot if you wouldn't do exactly what he did
No, I'm just not an edgelord. Also the situation Griffith was in was entirely his own fault because he got too upset that his boyfriend left him.

>>154405944
Guts betrayed him first.

>>154405980
>Griffith
>edgelord

Gattsu is literally the largest edgelord in the series. He was pissed Griffith was doing well so he decided to just fuck off

>>154405980
>>154405996
Both of you are fucking retarded autist incapable of understanding Griffeth and Gut's character

>>154406054
The only autist here is you friendo.

They both view themselves as alphas, more of a partnership than a subordinate relationship.

Together they're well on their way to achieving Griffiths dream. Guts, instead of realizing that they can rise together as equals, spergs out when he realizes Griffith is doing better than him and steals away in the night like an autist.

Griffith, is understandably upset at this r9k tier REEEing, and seeks comfort in Charlotte's sweet puss.

The rest is history

>>154405889
I agree that killing that thing in the short term was probably a good thing.
But since it was planned by the idea of evil, wouldn't it be for a greater evil in the long term?

>>154405445
Casca for being raped. That's what happens when you tease a man and lead him on. Harlot.

>>154405889
you mean that thing that he fucking created, you fucking retard?

holy fucking shit falconia faggots are the worst

>Griffith creates scenarios that nearly end the world
>Then solves the problems he himself created
>HE'S SUCH A HERO

t. apostle

>>154405982
and taking revenge is petty

>>154406176
Fuck off Griffith

>>154406176
>spergs out when he realizes Griffith is doing better than him
>implying Guts ever cared about Griffith being better than him
>implying Guts didn't see that Griffith was changing as a person in order to accommodate political bullshit
>implying Guts wasn't still affected by his murder of the lord's kid
>implying Guts wanted what Griffith wanted

If you wouldn't sacrifice your men and rape your exgirlfriend to become a god you are a beta faggot the end.

>>154405889
He forced Ganishka's hand to become Shiva because he knew killing him would bring about Fantasia.
>>154406176
Guts wanted to be Griffith's friend and be admired by him. The only way to do that was to be his equal. As long as he fought for Griffith, he could not be his friend, only his subject. Nice going, showing your ignorance on the subject

I watched the Golden Age Arc movies about a week agk as a way to get into the franchise, but I've begun reading the manga, I have a question tho. At the end of the 3rd movie, Casca sort of becomes child like if that makes sense. Is she like this throughout the rest of the franchise, or just for a little? Casca was my favorite in the movies is why I ask

>>154406419
Doesn't it bug you how in the Manga Guts has mad fucking plot armor and is basically used to bodily destroy a stone castle almost immediately.

>>154406457
I literally just started the manga a few hours ago

>>154406304
>>154406333

This is stupid. Guts was fine fighting for him for the longest time, and was secure in his position as the strongest in the army.

By your stupid logic guts would never have stuck around in the first place. It's only during the peace time guts found himself somehow inferior. The source material went out of its way to show guts star rising at the same time as Griffiths.

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>>154406176
As much as Griffith would have liked to recognize Gattsu as a person of equal standing as he is (desu i think he did), Gattsu didn't believe he would ever reach that level. It's like a peasant trying to stand on equal footing to a deity. Refer to the Ballroom dance episode.

Side note, I broke up with my girlfriend because I felt that she was doing so well, she didn't need me anymore. Similar situation, especially since she managed to turn her whole sorority against me, making me public enemy #1 in college.

Now I'm being shipped out to boot camp in April because fuck logic.

>>154406419
shes a retard for the rest of the released manga so far

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>first time reader
>see this after skull knight says he could bring her back
>see this
FUCCKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUU

>>154406484
>more ignorance
Guts heard Griffith say to Charlotte his definition of a friend and acted according to it. Read the manga before spouting your bullshit next time.

>>154406500
Why is she child like now tho? As I said, she was my fave in the movies

>>154406527
Why because she got raped so much? You are sick anon. Casca is literally rape fapbait for sickos bub.

>>154406176
>not being able to hold your snake in your pants when you could even have the kind such your dick
guts did a mistake by killing that kid, grif did a mistake by touching the forbidden fruit, the kind did a mistake by not giving a second change to a man with big ambitions

but in the end, grif did another mistake by not accepting the reality of the situation and did what he did

if he truly achieve what he originally wanted, then in my eyes the means justifies the ending, and he should finish his job and kill guts already for is a danger to his goal

but if won't be able to control the situation and the creatures go out off control and put in danger humanity, then it was all his fault and guts should end his goal already and kill grif

>>154406526
>not accepting I know the source material

Achieving your own goals in your own right isn't the same as fucking off in the dead of night without so much as a warning

>>154406542
Yeah, lets go with that, baiting faggot. Griffith is my self insert.

>>154406542
Well, I know she was raped, the scene where Griffith rapes her is actually a little hard to watch, but, why would that make her child like?

>>154406542
my theory is her soul got swapped with her unborn child during the eclipse and cascas original soul is now inside griffith

>>154406589
It's trauma.

>>154406552
You know jack shit. Guts tried to leave quietly to avoid the drama.

>>154406552
gutts fucked off for the sake of true friendship with griffith
griffith couldn't handle the fact that guts was his true friend and equal
instead of realizing this, griffith became bitter and eventually jealous of casca x guts; that's why he raped her in front of him, it's a role reversal

>>154406616
Does she remember it happening, or is it basically gone from her memory?

>>154406638
Watch at the end its going to turn out Griffith raped Casca in front of Guts and tortured him so that he would kill the other god hands and get them out of Griffiths way. I bet you in the end Griffith kills Guts not the other way around.

Why haven't i started reading this fucking series yet.
I'm missing out on so much from what it sounds like

>>154406629
That sure fucking turned out well for him didn't it?

It is you who knows nothing if you think guts decision to leave at midnight to 'avoid drama' was a sensible decision in any way, shape, or form

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>>154406589
>hard to watch
fucking baby

>>154406675
He would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids!
Seriously, you know jack shit about Guts, just stop

>>154405445
Well, not Griffith for sure.

>>154405445
Griffith, for sure.

>>154406638
Idiot.

Griffith literally says the only people that are true friends are his equals, and he considers Gattsu an equal

>>154406487
because having everyone you cared for murdered and torn apart while your girlfriend gets raped by your so called best friend and you lose an eye and arm trying to stop them obviously equals what suffering you have to go through

>>154406704
Gee whiz. Do you have real life friends? Why are you defending his objectively terrible decision to leave without a word of explanation?

How do you defend this?

>>154406768
I've explained in the posts above and my battery is running out

>>154406731
he never said anything like "guts is my equal", goon

>>154406661
She has flashes of it when other men try to rape her later on and goes berserk and kills them all but otherwise she just acts like a feral retard.

>>154406799
No you didn't, you just said that he didn't want to make a scene.

If I throw molotov cocktails in public, it doesn't matter if I truly, deep down 'didn't want to make a scene', my actions were still stupid, wrong, and I could have foreseen the consequences if I'd have had 30 seconds to stop and think

>>154406661
also she doesn't seem to have ill feelings towards Griffith which raises a lot of questions to me. You'd think seeing him would trigger her but I guess because of babby and maybe her not being able to accept what he did to her she completely blocked it out. Also maybe because it was technically Femto so when she sees Griffith as he used to be before raep she doesn't associate the two in her retard head.

>>154406885
Griffith acting like a fucking loonatic and ruining plans that they've laid down for decades is not Guts fault.

Griffith, if he was his friend, would have understood why he left, even if it hurt and did his best to become king.

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>>154406885
>leaving quietly is equal to throwing molotovs

The retarded ass logic of anons is really unbelievable sometimes.

Griffith is an egotistical piece of garbage and only won most of his "wars" because of Guts being worth hundreds of soldiers.

>defending someone who murders and rapes their friends
"It's because Guts hurt my f-feelings. Waah."

>>154406885
Not causing a scene wasn't the reason of his departure. It was the reason of doing so quietly. With your reading comprehension, I understand why you have no idea what you're talking about

Some guy kills all his friends, and rapes his best friend girl, who was also his second best friend, all so he can become an edgy demon.

"He didnt do anything wrong."

What is wrong with you, /a/?
Under normal circumstances, you'd be thinking he's a stupid edgelord cringemaster.

>>154407101
If you were as fucked up as Griffith was, would you have done it?

>>154407135
I'm not half as fucked up as he is and I'd have done it. We are talking near ultimate power here, Idc if you are edgy or not who wouldn't do nearly anything for that?

>>154407135
Not the anon you're asking, but I would've.

It'd still be an objectively evil act.

I wouldn't go as far as to rape my best friend in front of my other best friend, but still. Sacrificing the lives of the people who trust me in exchange for godlike power? Easy.
I'd spend eternity atoning for my evils, but with godlike power. I'd do more good than an army ever could.

Griffith is just a self centered faggot.

>>154407156
if griffith was only concerned with power, why take such a vindictive act against guts? he literally pins him down to watch as he rapes casca (whom he knew loved eachother) with a shit eating grin while demons laugh. a quick death or sparing casca and guts life out of pity would have been somehwat redeemable

Stop thinking in the sense of right and wrong they are opinions.

If you truly manage to do that you understand.

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>>154407135
>Boo hoo My boyfriend (Crush) left me.
>I'll go fuck everything up so I can forget Guts sweet sweet ass
>WHAT I DID SOMETHING WRONG NOW I FACE THE CONSEQUENCES ?!???
>I'm gonna kill all my friends because I am a weak coward
>Watch guts. This could have being US (rapes friend)

>>154407285
havign a sense of morals makes the story more engaging depending on whom you're rooting for. it also helps maintain a connection to the main characters

>>154407285
Said the boy before gunning down his classmates.

I wonder if Jill made it to Falconia.

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>>154407328
>said the boy before gunning down his classmates

kekt
>"b-but officer m-morals are just an opinion"

>>154407285
Says the necrophiliac

>>154407306
>if he had fucked anyone else it wouldve been a happy ending
never fuck royalty before marriage

>>154407285
Says the guy who rapes your mom.

>>154407280
to make guts desire to be stronger, leading to guts actually getting stronger

>>154407374
I never understood why he didn't just go and fuck Casca but I guess since he wasn't that far gone yet he was still thinking about the future and figured since he was going to marry the Princess anyway, might as well do her. Which was still stupid as fuck but he wasn't exactly thinking logically and letting his emotions lead him at that point.

>>154407414
Or the princess was just hotter

>>154407414
now that you mention it, was it one of the princesses handmaidens who told the guards? i thought they were loyal to her and knew better

>>154407440
>ywn fugg a pure princesses puss

Why live bros?

>>154405445
The rapist.

>>154407280
Probably because he became a demon. Probably makes you way more evil and sadistic.

>>154407491
She was a dumb kid, they propably thought they protected her that way from Griffith. Also, if eventually king would find out, maidens would be screwed.

>>154407440
I think he just didn't actually plan on getting caught so he was thinking ahead and fucking Casca would make things unnecessarily dramatic since he still planned on marrying the princess which is why he never got with Casca in the first place.

It might have had to do with his ego as well. He was feeling like a little bitch, so fucking a princess made him feel more alpha and in control.

>>154407491
I think it was some rando handmaiden not her main loyal one.

>>154406487
>Dated a sorority girl
>dated at all
>Had a Social life in College
Wew lad

>>154407556
point taken

>>154406731

He literally said he cannot consider someone who fights for another man's dream an equal or a friend. He did not consider his subordinates to be his friends. He says this very explicitly, I'm not sure how you missed it.

>>154407561
i only remeber the potato face one so youre probably right

>>154406731
>and he considers Gattsu an equal
The entire reason Guts left is because Griffith didn't

>>154407599
>The entire reason Guts left is because HE THOUGHT Griffith didn't

ftfy

If Griffith weren't such an egotistical faggot he would've told Guts he loved him and did indeed want to be held in his big beefy arms and if Guts wasn't such a meatheaded idiot he'd have understood. They are both retarded, case closed.

>>154407536
This.
From the moment he accepted the sacrifice, he forsook his humanity.
His mind and thought process are those of a demon. His actions from that point on have to be judged like those of a demon, not of a human.

Regardless of how much humanity they might show, apostles have very little, if nothing, of what it means to be human left in them.They are capable of mercy, regret and sadness, but the notions of bad and good are completely lost on them.

Using a behelit is not only sacrificing your loved ones in exchange for power. It's sacrificing yourself as a human.

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>>154407582
10/10

>>154407642
I agree when he became Femto he lost a lot of his humanity but he still obviously cared to some extent at first since he raped Casca and he even goes to see Guts so he could see if his heart would be swayed. He was checking to see if he still gave a fuck like he did during the Eclipse. Which raises questions as to how that whole thing works.

>>154406487
>Now I'm being shipped out to boot camp in April because fuck logic.
>joining the military
Jesus why would you knowingly fall for one of the biggest real life memes? And if it's the American military you're in for a cucked shitshow

>>154407565
What is this a reference to?

>>154406313
yes, ironic, haha, so edgy, lel

>>154405813
>I can't imagine anyone unironically defending Griffith.
Casca would

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>>154407639
GUTS NO THINK
GUTS HAS SWORD
GUTS KILL ENEMY WITH SWORD

>>154408101

Samurai Jack

>>154405445
Casca for being an indecisive bitch and leading Griffith on/rescuing him.

>>154407156
I'd do it too. Doesn't mean it's not morally wrong.

>>154407285
>griffith did nothing wrong

>b-but it's not about right and wrong !

>>154405892
Leave him alone he's autistic

>>154408259
Shills who defend griffith are literal cucks, what did you expect ?

>>154405445

None of them are wrong. Sex is good. We evolved to have pleasure during sex. There is literally nothing wrong with rape, these so called "victims" should be thankful for getting laid.

>bitchslapped like a faggot from a feminine manlet

people can only pity griffith

>>154405445
i mean she's naked
are you telling me she's not asking for it?

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>>154407628
>>154407639
But if that were the case, why did Griffith still fight Guts then subsequently go to Charlotte? His own words even make it seem like he didn't view Guts as his equal

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>>154409927

Is it supposed to portray as casca enjoying it?

>>154409977
It's a meme

>>154409977
Yes, she's trembling with orgasms and squirting, she clearly enjoyed it. The only thing that's up for debate is if she enjoyed it because she was having sex with Griffith or because of mighty demon cock shaking up her insides.

>>154405445
Did nothing wrong rank:
Griffith >>> Gambino > Donovan >>>>> shit >>> Guts > Casca

>>154409977
She's obviously enjoying it physically, that's partly why it's so fucked up. Insecure cucks can't comprehend complex scenes though so they have to convince themselves she hated it instead of admitting she had her vagina rocked by Femto's bomb demon dick.

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>>154411088
>>154411518
These posts made me think how big Femto's cock is. I am not even gay and the thought of his demon nigger cock makes me hard.

>>154411605
Imagine watching Femto's pulsating devil rod erecting itself in front of you, glistering and dark, every vein clearly distinguishable among its ebony texture, with a light droplet forming at the tip and slowly falling down its length. All of this inches away from your face. Griffith does nothing, he just stands there with his hardened weapon of pleasure, as if waiting for you to make a move.

Would your heterosexuality resist?

>>154411605
>>154411955
>implying there's anything gay about helping a bro get off and complimenting his dick

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>>154411955
>Would your heterosexuality resist?
I would run the fuck away.
Aroused and with a dick made out of diamonds

Also when will Miura finally draw porn besides rapes in Berserk and a golden shower in that one manga? I would buy the shit out of his doujins.

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>>154405445
Both Guts and Griffith. And also The Idea Of Evil which sets things in the first place but both Guts and Griffith made horrible mistakes (Guts says as much later) that led to the Eclipse.

>>154405813
Griffith pretty much didn't have a choice here. The Idea Of Evil was out for him since the start.
Which isn't to say he was a good guy (he obviously wasn't) or that he couldn't have made different decisions but he's not entirely to blame for the Eclipse.
Especially considering Femto and Griffith are not the same person.

>>154405944
That was Femto.
It's shown multiple times in the manga that Apostles, while they have the same core soul as whoever they used to be, they are an altered version of that soul with the humanity stripped out and replaced by the essence of hell.
The God Hand spells this out pretty clearly when we first meet them in the Black Swordsman arc
>You’ll be able to sever any last remnants of your own humanity. A fissure in your heart will open up into which evil will surge
And there's also pic related as well.
Femto has a different emotional makeup, moral compass and altered personality than Griffith.
Which isn't to say Griffith is not responsible (because he made the choice to become Femto) but he didn't commit the rape.

>>154412629

The only thing Guts did "wrong" was not knowing what he had in the Band of the Hawk. He was too desperate to have Griffith see him as an equal so he lost sight of his family in the band. Of course him being haunted by his assassination mission gone awry and the fact that he didn't think Casca would ever return his feelings also pushed him away.

>Guts
more like Cucks.
She's used goods, get over her you faggot

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>>154412722
I think leaving the Hawks was a spectacularly bad decision but I don't really hold Guts to blame for what happened later (even though it is his fault to some extent and this is partially what drives him).

His motivation is understandable. He wanted to find a dream for himself in order to be an equal to Griffith. He saw something he disliked and, instead of accepting it, decided to change it. And this is the very thing that makes Guts important to Griffith - he does not let himself be consumed by someone else’s dream, and he does not accept things he doesn’t like. He couldn’t stand the idea that Griffith was looking down on him, and so he set out to make that not be the case anymore.
And he had the right to leave, too. Griffith didn’t own him, and Guts absolutely was entitled to walk away whenever he wanted to.

But the problem is that he didn't want to.
He loved the Hawks. Right after he leaves, he questions if it was the right idea, whether he’s really going to be his own man if he’s doing this in order to fulfill Griffith’s requirements. And even though he comes back still thinking he needs to leave again, as soon as he realizes that the Hawks are done, he also realizes that they were his dream the whole time. And this is even reflected later when Godo is talking to him about him leaving Casca for reasons he thought were for the best.

His choice came from good intentions, but it also came from a misunderstanding mixed with Guts’ tendency to ditch people a lot and his inability to quite fathom that there could really be a place where he actually belongs.

I don’t think it was a mistake because it upset Griffith and led to horrible things. I think it was a mistake because he didn’t actually want to do it, he went about it in the worst possible way, he ended up calling it a stupid move, himself, and he’s been trying to avoid doing anything at all like that ever again ever since.

>>154412743
literally this. Shierke is his true waifu, and we all know it

post her

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how do the films and the 90s show compare to the new anime? I watched one of the new episodes and art style is petty jarring

>>154407306
>This could have being US
this brings a whole new meaning to the rape scene and I love it

>>154405445
Is Casca the berserk equivalent of an Arab?

>>154405936
>Have people willing to die for you and the ideals you uphold
>Betray them for personal power
>Cause a near extinction of humanity
That just makes you a scumbag, anon.

>>154413745
Movies are basically like the new anime but a little less shit. They drop most of the characterization for anyone that isn't Guts, Casca or Griffith.
I've only seen a few episodes of the '97 series; it's got a bomb-ass soundtrack but you might as well just listen to it while reading the manga since the show's barely fucking animated at all and they tone down the gore, nudity, etc. and also cut out some pretty crucial characters and story beats (Donovan, Skull Knight, Wyald)

>>154411518
Something like 80% of women have multiple orgasms when they are raped.
That scene probably embodies that, it's a survival mechanism.

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>>154411088
Probably just the rape.
Most women have orgasms when they are raped.
One of the reasons people do rape play especially women and have safe words is because you can get intense bodily responses out or making yourself think you are actually being raped.

>>154412629
>Griffith pretty much didn't have a choice here.
The laws of causality would always lead Griffith to that lake and to the Eclipse but it was his choice to go through with it and brand the Band, that part was not destined but his choice.

I think Void's speech before Griffith accepts to become Femto makes this pretty clear.

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>>154413188
I don't think it was possible to achieve his goal of being an equal to Griffith while remaining in the Hawks. He didn't have a choice really, it was either a life as pawn to Griffith or the possibility of going out and then returning as an equal.

Also even in the scenario where he does stay I hardly think Griffith would be above sacrificing him and the entire Band later down the line to achieve his goals, even if the "sacrifice" part wasn't in the literal demonic way of the Eclipse. There was no "right" choice for Guts to make and knowing what he did at the time and even now knowing what we know I would argue he still made the right choice at the point in time.

>>154405445
Casca, for brutally raping Griffith in front of his Husbando, Guts

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>>154414405
You have a point but it's not quite that simple.
Again, please understand that I'm not trying to defend Griffith's actions or imply that it wasn't his fault, he obviously has a huge share of the blame. But a huge part of the events leading up to the Eclipse boiled down to Griffith being cannibalized by fate.

If you own a Behelit, then no matter what you do, it’ll bring you to your own personalised hell and then return to you at the worst moment, when you’re at your weakest and most desperate. And what this despair and suffering meant to Griffith was different from what it meant to Rosine, to the Slug Count, etc. It was personalised for each of them. If any of us got our hands on a Behelit, then it’d ruin our lives in a way individually tailored to push each of us into offering up a sacrifice.

Void also reinforces this by mentioning "casuality", which is a big thing in Berserk. If you have, technically, the ability to say yes or no, but you’re put in a position where, given your nature, you couldn’t actually choose to do anything other than accept, is that really free choice? Even if it’s physically possible to go one of any number of ways, the interaction of circumstance and personality make it impossible for a given person to do anything other than the one thing they would choose to do at that time. They have a choice in a technical sense, but they don’t really because in order to do anything else they’d have to be someone else.

I think everyone can agree that sacrificing your loved ones to demons is a really shitty thing to do, but just because you might do it under certain circumstances doesn’t make it any less of a horrible thing to do, even if anyone and everyone would do it. How evil an act is doesn’t get decided by how many or how few people would do it in the right situation.

And this still doesn't mean Griffith couldn't have refused (although it's likely everyone would have just been eaten by Apostles regardless).

>>154414238
The Hawks weren't really fleshed out too well in the manga either though. Like, as characters.

>>154414554
While it's true that Guts took the only choice that appeared logical to him, he simply did not take into consideration the idea that Griffith did, in fact, saw him as an equal. Griffith is clearly obsessed with Guts, he states multiple times that Guts was special, he clearly treats Guts in a different way than the others, and so on. Guts was his emotional pillar and the only one who ever treated him as a friend. Griffith already saw Guts as the closest to an equal and a friend that he would ever have (this is part of why his rejection and abandonment hit him so hard).

In fact, Griffith cared about the Hawks too. If he didn't, he wouldn't have been able to sacrifice them in the first place.

>>154415040
Right in the first arc of the manga we see someone (an apostle no less, who people itt have argued don't retain their past self/critical thinking after turning into demons) refusing the "deal" of the Godhand tho.

To say that the Behelit/Godhand/Idea of Evil manipulate your life to the point that the choice they offer you is "technically not a choice but not really" I think is just plain untrue.

Also I think is it's valid to point out that unlike some of the apostles where the circumstances leading up to their Behelit activation were out of their control and not a result of their choices (like Rosine) which isn't true for Griffith. He made the bed in lay in.

>>154412629
I feel like people underestimate the extent to which Griffith is a bad person, even though I myself could empathize why someone in his circumstances would make the decision he made (which isn't to say it was not wrong, it was an atrocious, terrible thing to do).

Femto raped Casca out of spite, and Griffith tried to do the exact same thing just prior to the Eclipse.

>>154405936
edgy

>>154415316
>Griffith did, in fact, saw him as an equal.
Now you entered full on into headcanon mode. It's clear that Guts is more important and interesting to Griffith but we don't know if he considers him an equal, in fact he plainly and clearly says to Charlotte that nobody in the Hawks was his equal and nobody in the Hawks could ever be his equal while serving him.

Griffith cared about the Hawks up to the point where they were useful to his plans, not a second before. He would never sacrifice his goals to help the Hawks and if one isn't willing to sacrifice anything for someone can you really claim that he or she truly cares?
>If he didn't, he wouldn't have been able to sacrifice them in the first place.
That's bullshit, we see that apostles have the ability to sacrifice things and people that aren't loved by or dear to them like Rosine and her father and the Egg and the world.

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>>154415316
>>154413188
Guts wanted to become his own man and walk by himself because he felt he was missing out on everything else. It wasn't just about Griffith.

It's pretty sad that his dream took over his love for the hawks, though. I'd have thought he'd stay after coming back but even then he was planning to go back to his own dream.

I wonder what would have happened without the Eclipse. Would Guts have lead the new Hawks? Or would he at least have stayed with his comrades?

>>154415767
>I wonder what would have happened without the Eclipse. Would Guts have lead the new Hawks? Or would he at least have stayed with his comrades?
I think we clearly see that he was going to leave either way, even with Casca changing her mind and wanting to stay behind to care for Griffith.

>>154415875
iirc the hawks were thinking of following Guts, maybe he would have been the leader of a group or someting

that's realistically the only way he'd have been happy after all that shit

>>154412107
Prome is pure! Nothing sexual about healing nectar

>>154405703
Only because there's no such thing as inherent wrong in the first place.

>>154405445
Casca is a whore. She is OK with Griffit fucking her, but when Guts tried to touch her, she jumped away. This is not even funny, that bitch loves the faggot, and she will betray Guts as far as her mind is back.

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>>154415421
Yes, I do remember The Count, and that's why I said that Griffith still had the choice to refuse, and that choice is indeed a big factor in it.
And that takes us to the argument of whether or not the circumstances of fate outweigh the characters's decisions.
But it's directly stated in the manga by the Idea Of Evil that everything Griffith did was leading him up to that moment, and the idea of casuality does manipulate the lives of these people to an extent. Again, Griffith had a choice, but considering everything that happened up until that point, and his personality, and how the God Hand even talked him into accepting the sacrifice and convincing him that his friends would be okay with it, he couldn't refuse because of who he was.
And there were aspects of Griffith's trajectory that simply were not his fault like Wyald's invasion.

>>154415643
It's not a headcanon, it's said as much multiple times in canon, it's pretty damn obvious.
That entire speech isn't about how Griffith could never see Guts as an equal (even though it's what Guts gets out of it), he’s talking about the difference between a friend and a comrade, or between a friend and a soldier who works under you. And Guts is the only one who is that friend and comrade.
While Guts serves under Griffith, he’s never allowed himself to become consumed by Griffith. He still acts like a free man, he still thinks like one - he doesn’t always follow orders, he marches into the jaws of danger, he spends his time practicing his sword instead of currying favor with the nobles or attending functions. It’s all the stuff that makes Casca pissy at him, but it’s also what proves that he hasn’t been eclipsed.
And Griffith clearly treated him differently too. Again, if he didn't, that entire misunderstanding wouldn't have happened in the first place.

It would be simply impossible for Griffith to sacrifice the Hawks if he didn't care about them.
This is made painfully clear.

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I want Zodd's and the Godhand's backstory. It baffles how we got backstory chapters to lesser characters but not those pivotal to the story from start to (presumably) finish.

>>154412743
Reminder that Guts had been in there years before Griffith

>>154416342
Unrelated but is it true that Miura regrets putting the Idea of Evil in the manga? I remember reading that somewhere but it wasn't sourced.

>>154416563
Maybe Griffith fucked loli Casca

>>154416508
Same here my brother, also I want that Kushan to actually do something rather that fucking around for a whole damn manga. I even forgot his name but he used chakrams and whip-like weapon. Cool dude.

>>154416668
>I even forgot his name but he used chakrams and whip-like weapon. Cool dude.
I like his buff friends and Dhalsim more than him to be honest. Too passive a character, although that seems to be changing.

>tfw i'm finally going to start reading this

I normally don't read works that are unfinished but everytime it get's talked about it interests me too much. Hopefully I won't be too annoyed that i'll never see an ending.

>>154416668
Silat? Pretty cool dude. Especially when you learn a bit about his backstory. Although I feel the whole Kushan/Bakiraka deal was very poorly handled.

Why didn't Femto get more action as a character?
Literally two encounters with him, in the beginning and the eclipse, and he's just turned Shin Griffith now.
Seems like a quick-fix decision that retconned the whole idea of Femto.

>>154417023
You're retarded, read further down and don't speedread and the complain for the plot

>>154417084
Relax 'tist. I'm on Volume 30. Forget I asked.

>>154417100
>I'm an autist for calling out your retardation
Seems like a quick-fix decision in order to save face
>I'm on volume 30
Doesn't negate the fact that you're just looking at images and aren't trying to read the message they carry

>>154405445
this thread is hilarious, keep it up

>>154417176
>Doesn't negate the fact that you're just looking at images and aren't trying to read the message they carry
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing. Fucking autistic peon.

>>154417023
Femto's design was pretty unimaginative compared to the rest of the god hand. He should have literally turned into a monstrous fleshy hawk.

>>154417966
Half of Griffith's character is his bishonen looks, can't take that away. Also Slan is pretty normal looking.

>>154415504
While I agree, I also think that Griffith's discussions are way more heated than they need to be. I think it's ridiculous that any time someone has to explain why they like Griffith as a character they need to preface it with "he’s an awful person and i accept that he’s the worst kind of bastard" when fans of other villains don't. As in, you can only like Griffith under the tunnel vision approved by those who don't like him.

Obviously liking a villain or character doesn't mean you condone his actions. This is obvious. I don't approve rape, the Eclipse is absolutely horrifying, and obviously Griffith is a horrible villain. But just because I like Yoshikage Kira doesn't mean I condone serial killing and no one ever told me I approved of his actions for doing so. And I think this hurts discussion of the character too.

>>154417966
The way it uses Griffith's mask as a part of his head is pretty great though.

>>154418069
Slan has bat wings though.

If they had to keep him looking like a pretty boy then they could have modeled his design after a traditional harpy.

>>154418199
I like the wings covering her lady parts, it's a cool gimmick, too bad they fucked it up in the movie.

>>154418070
>I think it's ridiculous that any time someone has to explain why they like Griffith as a character they need to preface it with "he’s an awful person and i accept that he’s the worst kind of bastard" when fans of other villains don't. As in, you can only like Griffith under the tunnel vision approved by those who don't like him.
I think that is testament to how people can unironically be in favor of Griffith, a view that the manga itself (intentionally or otherwise) gives credence to. Jojo doesn't paint Kira as anything other than a bad guy nor tries to make you cheer for him, his actions don't have a net positive where you could argue that for Griffith thus making his less moral actions seem insignificant in comparison.

>>154418199
Femto has wings too.

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>>154418070
That's because !Hawk was a thing and we had discussion to prove Griffith did something horrifying when this should have been obvious in the first place.
Nobody really tried to say Kira was right and even if they did he got his comeuppance. Griffith didn't and probably never will

damn i wish i didnt delete my file full of screencaps of hawk getting blown the fuck out by mods=gods over and over multiple times

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>>154417966
I strongly disagree. I think it's important that Femto looks more human than the other God Hand members because it makes his connection to Guts and the rape of Casca feel more personal to us. It wouldn't have nearly as much of an impact if he was just a gross fleshy monster. And it brings him thematically closer to Guts's Hellhound persona. Femto is the only God Hand member who we actually got to know as a character prior to becoming a demon, that connection is important (especially because Griffith would prefer to keep a regal air instead of just becoming a monster).

The outfit is actually a reference to the movie Phantom Of The Paradise, where the main character is forced to wear this outfit in order to hide his injuries and talk. Berserk takes a lot of inspiration from cinema as well (the God Hand references the Cenobites from Hellraiser to an extent). Not only does the outfit make Femto truly be a part of the God Hand by turning him into a movie monster, it also ties him to the character who wears the outfit (who had an ambition to become a succesful musician and had his dreams crushed and his voice and music stolen).

It's honestly the perfect outfit for Femto.
And Phantom Of The Paradise is a fucking GOAT movie, you should watch it if you haven't

>>154418301
The difference is Femto is covered in a fleshy manifestation reminant of his armor.

It's a decent idea but is incredibly conservative compared to the rest of the god-hand. He may have wings, but they're modeled after a cape. It's different from Slan's large multi-jointed bat wings which are used to hide her tits and genitalia. The wings are just out there and clearly inhuman where as Femto you can easily mistake his mutations for armor.

Then all the other god hand are nuts with their shit. Void isn't just a cloaked guy with a mutilated face a big brain, his arms are as long as his cloak.

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>>154418481
Conrad is taken from H.R Giger

>>154418301
Berserk doesn't really paint judgement in regards to what Griffith does, it shows the horrible things he does as well as his reasons for doing so.
Guts does a lot of bad things too and the manga doesn't refrain from showing them, or showing how they affect his character or those around him.
I mostly used Kira as an example of how just because you like a villain doesn't mean you agree with him or approve of what he does.

>>154418315
>nobody really tried to say Kira was right
Well there are occasionally a few retards in the JoJo threads who defend him unironically but those are few and they get btfo'd by the other posters.
And I'm sorry but I don't know who this !Hawk is, I don't usually go to Berserk threads.

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>>154418625
Miura takes a lot of things from Giger.
He has in general a really impressive range of influences.

>>154418693
>Berserk doesn't really paint judgement in regards to what Griffith does
Guts is mad af against him and while he's not the moral compass of the manga he's still pretty wise in his own way.
The witches and Skull Knight fight against Griffith, so it's safe to say Griffith is well-established as the villain.

>Guts does a lot of bad things too and the manga doesn't refrain from showing them, or showing how they affect his character or those around him.
Most of these bad things are actually good things though. Like the time he played pool in children blood, it was the right thing to do.

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>>154418625
I thought Condrad was based on the masked creatures in the Terry Gilliam's Brazil. considering the film took inspiration from Phillip K. Dick of which Ubik is named after, I'd say there is a good chance I'm right.

What if Griffith raped Guts instead and made Casca watch?

>>154419214
Then he comes out of the closet.

>>154405445
Guts for being a cuck.

>>154415179
that's true but they at least had more than a collective 10 or so lines of dialogue

can we talk about serpico and how beautiful he is

>>154419214
What if Casca raped Griffith instead and made Guts Watch?

>>154411088
>>154411518
I suggest you to kill yourselves.

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>>154420961
Would be worth it for Slan's reaction.

>>154419214
>I-I did it to provoke Casca, I swear!

>>154420961
Artworks depicting Casca in Guts' place unsettle me.
Guts is a mountain, nobody else would go as far as he did, I like Casca and all but she'd mindbreak, not cut her arm because of sheer rage

>>154418301
Araki was never into moralizing. He just wants to say a funky weird story. His villains are not portrayed as they-are-just-bad-and-you-should-hate-them-and-condemn-them but more like there-are-all-kinds-of-peple-like-for-example-those-guys. Kira in particular is just a person who is insane but has no ill will. What is to judge about that?
But most authors feel the need to to tell people what's good or bad.

>>154418889
>Like the time he played pool in children blood
What?

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>>154421783

>>154418776
Geiger, Evil Dead, fucking Mars Attacks.

>>154421912
Oh. Well, yeah, but it's still kind of disgusting. And I'm pretty sure chewing their guts was unnecessary.

>>154422003
At that point he was letting his rage do his actions. Besides, maybe he was hungry?

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>>154422003
It's all about kiai and flow. Chewing the guts was absolutely necessary to gather enough kiai.

Do you even FORCES?

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>>154416742
Berserk itself is just so well done,
Everything about it.
People who get mad about no ending are fagget memers with autism

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I'm wet for Guts

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>>154405445
>now that berserk is starting back up

people actually believe this? kill yourselves

>>154422077
Well, it's interesting how Guts can do a lot of disgusting or brutal shit, go completely berserk, but still have humanity. Like when he saved Jill by bathing her in children's blood and organs

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Am I the only one that actually likes this motherfucker?
Also how did he impale that prisoner in his backstory? He was an apostle back then, but how the hell did he do it?

>>154422234
Guts might be gruff and a little bit assholish, but unlike Griffith, he still has good in his heart.

>>154422327
Wyald is hard to dislike. And he's fast.

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>>154422329
>>154422234
It's do or die anyway. He doesn't have a say in it.

>>154422327
There is a better translation, you know? Or you're just trying to meme?
https://imgur.com/a/kAFNG

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>>154422194
I want to brutally sodomize literally every loli Miura has ever drawn.

>>154422573
I've got a news for you, pal. Hawks translation is shit, read dark horse version.

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>>154422534
I was just trying to meme.

>>154405982
He just left the band and fought for his freedom.
He didn't betray anyone, faggot.

>>154421946
Void and Ubik are both inspired by Chatter and Butterball from Hellraiser.

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>>154423092
Hellraiser was the first thing that came to my mind when I was reading Guardians of Desire. Particularly because the whole labyrinth they reside in is similar to Hell in the second movie.

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>>154420961

>>154419214
I think there's a doujin of this.

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>>154424116
Just how submissive Guts is

>>154422365
>am i really such a softie?
what translation is this

>>154423092
I always assumed Void was a reference to both Chatter and the martians from Mars Attacks.

>>154422194
Rosine makes me think wrong things

>>154424119
>>154419214
There is, but Casca isn't in it

>>154425715
It sucks that we won't get a Lost Children anime adaption because of her nudity.

>>154405813
That sentence makes no sense.

>>154422327
He was entertaining, to say the least.
It's more than I can say for a lot of the other apostles.

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Thoughts?

>>154425790
You what? They would literally just make her furred or clothed or whatever if they wanted to, anon.

>>154425943
Its been obvious since he was able to avoid the Eclipse by sheer luck. I won't be shocked when Guts leaves the Island that Rickert started a pretty powerful rebel group.

Doesn't time flow differently on fairy land? The only reason the mermaids warned them is so the reader knows that Guts and co are gonna get held up and take much longer than they anticipated to leave. Rickert will be older than Guts when they leave

>>154426153
It does. Puck has been off the island for 2 years, but it was only 2 weeks to the islands inhabitants.

I'm actually reading the manga for the first time right now and Guts seems to get a lot of mileage out of the "Get the shit kicked out of you and when the enemy goes to make the final blow, shoot them in the face with a surprise cannon shot" tactic.

>>154425943
GG rekt.

Rickert too OP, nerf pls

>>154425943
If there is an Idea of Evil then there certainly must be an Idea of Good.

>>154426301
The cannon is his best weapon with the apostles, because even if they can heal, the wounds would take a bit to reform.

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>>154425943
He effectively exists "outside" Griffith's story.

Everyone fits within Griffith's story. Guts, Casca, Ganishka, the king of Midland, all of them, in some way, stood in the way of his goal, and thus are the villains, suffering for their misdeeds. The apostles are his companions, his kin, who respect him and obey his orders. The citizens of Falconia are the thankful NPCs who are grateful for his heroic deeds and will support his dream because he is their hero.

Rickert, however, is an outsider to all of it. An inconsequential, weak former subordinate who managed to avoid dying in the massacre through sheer luck and coincidence. He wasn't made to suffer by Griffith. He wasn't sheltered by him, either. He heard both sides of the story, his and Guts'. He might be the only one who can see Griffith for what he truly is, maybe even more than Guts, which is why he openly stood up to him.

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Can't wait for this nigga to come out.

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>>154426355

>>154425943
It means that the only way for Berserk to end is with someone holding Miura at gunpoint and forcing him to finish it.

>>154425790
they could literally just remove the tits and nipples and it would be fine

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The thing with Berserk is that the whole plot, the eclipse, the God Hand and the suffering of humanity is just a plot created by God as he tells Griffith ascending during the Eclipse, everything ocurs because of fate and a predestined event that will happen, no matter what.

We could say that Griffith is no different than a random soldier, he just had the paper to fulfill to become a leader, fuck up with the king and sacrifice his men. Every character is fated to suffer and struggle because that's what drives the convulsing wars of history forward. After the "regular" wars we've seen during the Golden Arc, the supernatural takes on to continue the conflicts.

The whole idea is that causality is a mean to prevent history and the world from stagnating.

The only difference that Guts has is that he has unbreaking will and will not bend to the imposed fate, nothing more and nothing else, even if that carries a worse fate than death, such as Skull Knight.

All in all, I do hope that the conclusion to Berserk will begin after the Elf Island sheaningans, with Casca restored or definetly broken, and with a happy ending or a fucking tragedy.

>>154425210
kek. i can't stop picturing void going "ACK ACK ACK ACK"

>>154426333
Idea of Evil is non canon anyway

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>Casca
I love small details like this.

Also, post some of your favorite moments in the manga

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>>154426652
It is. It was seen in Chapter 82 briefly.

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>>154426670

>>154426972
>She stole my husbando
>And now she steals my apple
Farnese has a hard life

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>>154426670
>Small details
Manifico in this pic

>>154427434
What moeshit is this?

>>154426715
Yeah, and Miura later removed it from that chapter.

>>154427477
Did he really? I didn't know that.

>>154414293
>>154414399
Vaginal intercourse is not nearly as pleasurable for women as it is for men. You porncucks are getting meme'd with their fake orgasms.

Women much prefer foreplay to actual sex, that's why it's important to keep eating your woman out when you get married and not be lazy about it.

>>154426652
That depends, he'll either bring it back in a different form or decide that it was a good enough concept.

Even without the idea of evil, what the Godhand stands for allows room for it's antithesis.

>>154426355
Who paid her to say that?
Has she actually ever watch ANY anime?

>>154426652
>>154427548
>>154427477
>>154427617
IIRC, he removed it not because he thought it was a bad idea, but because it revealed too much info too fast/early.

So we might see it again.
For now it's Scrhödingers "God"

>>154428087
I think it also added a good amount of confusion for the God Hands true motives since IoE was content with leaving the Earth be, since humanity itself gave birth to it.

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>>154428983
Silat joining Guts party when?

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>>154426670
It's just so heartwarming.
I hope Casca remembers at least some of the stuff that happened when she was a retard, IF she ever recovers

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>>154405445
Casca for not telling Guts that she had a cuckhold fetish.

>>154405445
my dick

>>154429059
He's gonna be a part of Rickerts rebel group, so soon.

>>154429698
How does rape make you retarded?

>>154429834
Actually, wasn't Casca the one who told Griffith that Guts is leaving which in the end led to Griffith losing the fight and chimping out? If Guts just left quietly like he intended it wouldn't have come to that.

>>154409927
>>154409952
Because Griffith was still a megalomaniacal faggot who thought he could take on Guts with his skill instead of trying to appeal to his senses or whatever friendship they had. You know - why argue about anything if Griffith can just win and wait for Guts to stop being mad at him just like he did during Golden Age.

I think Griffith liked Guts and considered him his equal to a degree, it's just that he also thought he could do no wrong. Guts disproved that miscalculation pretty fast.

>>154430238
And Griffith's hatred against Guts is also because he's literally the only person who made him forget his dream. He started to rely on Guts, something he never thought possible.

>>154430295
Yeah, and Griffith is pretty fucking stupid for ultimately thinking that having an important person in one's life is a negative thing, but I suppose fucking up royally and being slowly dismantled into a cripple over the course of a year skews your perception a little.

>>154430368
He had a rare genuine smile when Guts made it up on the platform, and remembering him did keep him from going fully insane.
The true tragedy is that Guts and Griffith had the best broship in all manga.

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>tfw rereading it
>tfw I realized there is no way to adapt it because of how incredibly and breathtakingly amazing it is
I just gave up, there is no way to adapt this master piece without destroying it
it's better to just let it be

>>154430475
The 98 anime had a damn good soundtrack though.

>>154430433
>imblyign the final duel between Guts and Griffith won't have a little bit of their past bromance sprinkled in, before Guts ultimately kills the shit out of him for slaughtering his comrades and raping Casca stupid

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>>154406176
>being so buttfrustrated over your boyfriend leaving that you rape your one chance of becoming a legitimate king
Griffith's a little bitch who can't control his emotions and is nothing but a slave to his destiny.

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>>154426670

>>154405445
Was Guts cucked by Griffith?

>>154430506
Monster and Guts,

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>>154426670
>>154427140

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There are people ITT who didn't realize the figure in the back of this pic is Skull Knight

I want some more info about his past.. Miura pls..

>>154431987
Oh wow yeah, look at the sword

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>>154426670

>>154405936

Well yes, what he did makes sense but that doesn't mean he was right or had the right to do it...

Sure, most of the band where there just because being with Griffith payed off and the moment he became useless they decided to follow Guts instead but there where people there that actually cared for Griffith and didn't deserve to become sacrifices.

>>154405445

> MFW that's gonna backfire to Griffith
> MFW Caska's kid became Griffith's vessel
> MFW the Vessel feels something for Caska and won't let her get hurt
> MFW Guts won't be able to kill Griffith but Caska actually can because of this, she only has to will it and if Guts can get her close enough Griffith is dead.

>>154431987
Its obvious that the armor consumed his body, but Flora managed to pluck his spirit out and place it in his current one.

Judeau was best boy.

>>154432806
That's a weird way to spell Pipin.

>>154432815
This

Slan best girl.

>>154405445

The whole thing is a play on the Nietzchian Ubermensch.

The easiest version I can understand is that a person should never deviate, or be swayed from their dream by another.

In Berserk EVERY time someone does this, their shit gets fucked up.

If Guts had stayed gone on his mission to find his purpose, he wouldn't have returned, and thus saved Griffith.

If Griffith hadn't been "moved" by Guts, he would have kept his eye on the game, probably found a way to replace the King.

As for Casca getting raped, thus Guts is to blame for helping that cunt out.

>>154405974
April

>>154438830
Technically, it's March 28th with the new Young Animal.

Does anyone have any of the pages from Schierke's incantation to protect the town from trolls saved?

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>>154405445

>>154405541
Fpbp

>>154437257
>Guts is to blame for Griffith's actions
Come on now
>he wouldn't have returned, and thus saved Griffith
It doesn't matter. Crimson Behelit would have found the way to it's owner regardless of the Guts' actions, that's just how it works. Every time Griffith would have been proposed to be a member of the Godhand, since he's the owner of the crimson behelit, he could only agree or refuse.
>or be swayed from their dream by another
No, that's why Guts is so butthurt, Griffith sacrificed his band, which he had no right to. He's shown evil because he disregarded everyone for his shitty dream.
While Gaston have abandoned his dream for others, and is shown to be a good person. He's like anti-Griffith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxotod3CmNk

>>154416603
So much so that he pulled the chapter from his volume. The Idea of Evil is canon, but he thought he announced the main villain too soon.

>>154431987
All the information about his past is given in the story. There is nothing more Miura needs to disclose.

>>154442001

It's technically not canon anymore. Muira stated that he redacted it because it gave him too little room to move for the future, it was too ultimate and end-point. That doesn't mean he won't go back to it, but as for right now it's not a part of the story.

>>154430157
Casca got her brain fucked out of her.

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>>154440422
Gaston could fug a princess and get away with it

>>154422327
He was done well but man I fucking hate him.

>>154422327

The better question is how did they manage to lock him up? And keep him locked up?

>>154432555
>but there where people there that actually cared for Griffith and didn't deserve to become sacrifices.
Nobody there deserved to become sacrifices. Griffith isn't entitled to thousands of men following his crippled ass after he fucked everyone over including himself

>>154444190
He probably wanted to be captured in order to gather minions and eventually turn them into Black Dog "Knights".

ITT people who missed a FUNDAMENTAL answer

the whole point up until the eclipse is showing them as prisoners of fate.

>>154406271
kek

Are these typical Griffith apologists just meme'n or are they just that edgy?

>>154446876
just a meme

>>154445177
Griffith had the choice of offering his comrades as sacrifices or not.

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>>154447738
>choice

Yeah, sure.

>>154447983
I'm not sure how to put my thoughts into words but, i think you, the peopel like you, and some characters in the manga uses that as a convenient excuse.
I think they actually do have a choice, they are just too weak to make the hard ones.

>>154448597
The fact is that "you think", while I quote the Manga.

>>154448597
But wasn't Griffith chosen to bear the Behelith in the first place because it was known that because of his situation and person attributes he would not refuse? It doesn't make him a less terrible person, but while he ostensibly did have a choice, in reality he was only ever going to make one decision.

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>>154405445

>>154448746
personal attributes*

>>154448675
>There's no such thing as an unreliable narrator

>>154448796
Still more reliable than a random theory by an anon.

>>154447983
Remember how the count didn't sacrifice his daughter? They have choices nigga

>>154425943
god, I still remember /a/'s reaction to when he slapped griffith. so, so good.

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>>154424116
Don't try to convice yourself you didn't like it, Guts.

>>154449187
You don't now if it was his choise, that's the point.

>>154449331
>Donovan rapes Guts
>Guts suffers PTSD and issues having passionate sex.
>Femto rapes Casca
>She practically loses her mind.

How is a boy-girl with a tentacle dick more horrifying than a giant black man?

>>154449331
How can apostles even compete?

>>154405445
I've known about this scene for years but I only read it today for the first time, and all I have to say is: what the fuck?
I was told Berserk was one of the best manga around, and I would have agreed until today, but I can't take it seriously anymore after this. It's not the rape itself that bothers me, but the fact Casca, despite the fucked up circumstances, is enjoying it.
What the hell did Miura think he was writing for, a hentai magazine when this chapter came out? The last thing I expected was this cancer mindbreak trope to come up in the supposedly best manga of the last 20 years.

Dropped. Fuck you for hyping this shit so much and making me waste my time on it.

>>154449331
>Will never be big or black enough to cosplay Donovan convincingly.
I'd do it in a heartbeat if I was.

>>154449331
>>154451275
I don't really blame Donovan, Guts was very cute when he was little and hey it's a buyers market.

>>154451199
She having her cake and eating too.

>>154451199
She was obviously already completely broken from watching monsters eat all her friends by that point, you are coming to wrong conclusions.

>>154451275
Get largehuge and pay a professional make-up artist to do you the best blackface they can.

>>154451275
>tfw black cosplayers rarely do black/dark-skinned characters
So much shit about racial pride but they all want to be white boys

>>154451275
I don't remember Donovan being tall
Or Black

>>154450861
Casca is a weak character who exists to orbit around Guts and be a rape magnet

>>154405445
He acted like a kid would do.
He is a pussy, period.

>>154450861
>literal who you don't give a fuck about rapes you

vs

>your literal savior who you loved/worshipped for years kills all your friends who are basically your family and rapes you even though he originally saved you from getting raped

No disparity there at all.

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I miss them. Though I honestly think Casca should have died too.

>>154452979
If Casca had died then the story would simply be a vapid revenge story which are a dime a dozen in every medium these.

She should have either been impaired in some other way or the retardation should have been fixed way sooner, like at the end of the Conviction arc.

>>154453051
Part of the reason her retardation seems to last forever is because the manga itself has been going on for years and the hiatus makes it feel much longer than it actually is. If the chapters were released in a timely manner, it wouldn't be so bad. Sucks having her exist just as a driving force for Guts for so long though. Hopefully when she comes out of her retard coma, Miura will make up for it by having her play a key role in the story afterwards.

>>154453151
She's been retarded for around 20 years irl. She's been a retard far longer than she was an actual character. It's no wonder that people are sick of her by now.

>>154453051
>>154453151

Wouldn't a "cure" dampen the impact of rape?

>>154453216
she's going to be a retard for another 20 at this rate

>>154405445
why is that birdman stretching the lady

>>154453151
I do believe that the gap between releases very much contributes to how long retardation feels, let's not kid yourself here the manga has 347 chapters which puts it over 7.5k pages. If you reread the manga right now (did so a month ago) you still feel that Casca as a plot device got stale a long time ago and that it should have been resolved at least 50 chapters ago.

>>154453219
There have been at least 5 major stories since the fucking rape and 20 years irl, there is no damn impact left to dampen.

>>154453219
I'm sure nobody expects her to be 100% cured. Hell even Guts is still worried about Skull Knight's words about her not wanting to be cured. But people are just hoping something happens with her. As >>154453216 said, it's been 20 fucking years. People have died waiting for Casca to gain any semblance of sanity back.

As for the impact of the rape, if anything it's going to be even harder for her. One of the reason she shut down was because her mind couldn't deal with everything that was happening, so if she regains her sanity she's going to have to face what happened to her.

>>154453447
Speaking of Skull Night, When are we going to get some more backstory for the god hand.

We know Slan was a whore but I want to know what she sacrificed.

Also Ubik and Conrad.

>>154453560
Skull Knight*

>>154405445
The question no one asked is, did HE enjoy it?

>>154453560
At the pace Miura is going, never.

>>154453620
Well he had to be erect in the first place to penetrate her and cum inside her so hard that her unborn child was affected. But mentally, he was just using her as a tool to make Guts suffer. Though his attitude towards her now is probably different seeing as Casca is technically his mother. Also, that technically makes him a legitimate motherfucker.

>>154453745
You don't have to enjoy sex to get erect.

If Big Bubba puts your face against the wall in an alley and forces himself into your tender behind you'll very likely get erect despite the fact that his gigantic sausage is tearing your dry, tight ass in two and making you cry from the pain.