can anyone unironically defend this?

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>>154362349
I'm not sure which was more offensive, this or Killua knowing the dart order.

At least Super Killua 06 was kinda cool. The dart shit was dumb as fuck.

>>154362395
Darts are a cool and classy sport. Like pool.

Now that I think about it. There should have been a nen based pool table somewhere in the series, that would have been cool.

>>154362486
Nen based actual games r bretty gud. Razor's volleyball was probably the comfiest part of the series

>>154362349
Yes but we won't because you are the same op from this thread >>154345997
who just won't listen to reasonable arguments, throws a hissy fit when proven wrong and accuses everyone in the thread of samefagging.

Everybody leave this autist alone, there's no discussion to be had here.

>>154362601
I'm actually not that guy, although I do enjoy the autism in that thread.

No one particularly responded to this specific part of the OP there.

I'm genuinely curious how people think this was a good idea. I am willing to have an open discussion that stays above shitflinging

Salty Gonfags detected.
You guys just can't handle that Killua is always way ahead of him, even when they both had nen.

Post Pitou, please.

>>154362717
And what is wrong with this part anon?

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>>154362349
What's wrong with it? Superspeed isn't exactly an OP power and muscles reacting faster due to electricity manipulation holds water better than pretty much any other magic power in the show.

>>154362395
What's strange about a skilled assassin begin skilled at throwing weapons?

>>154362965
>>154363088
For a show that prides itself on its imaginative shonen powers, giving killua sanic speed feels like a major cop out.

At least the yoyos have downsides to compensate for the advantages, but speedy Gonzales doesn't particularly have any downsides. Just reinforces the edgelord archetype.

It's even worse than gons ability to punch hard.

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>>154363174
Its downside is that it takes a long time for him to charge, and once his battery dies he has to get to an outlet, and it's also painful to use. That's a bigger drawback than Gon just having to recite a catchphrase first.

>>154363174
>but speedy Gonzales doesn't particularly have any downsides

>Base damage doesn't increase that much aside from gaining an electric aura property
>Limited duration, must be recharged through an electrical outlet or other source of electricity
>Pre-programmed moves are a hazard if your opponent can retaliate.

Also why use the Yoyo's when they are slower than Killua? Remember when the cheeta guy made a crossbow?

It's not that OP and if Cheetu is anything to go by people can tank fast hits if they are done in a flurry.

>It's even worse than gons ability to punch hard
He's a 15yo kid with no imagination. What do you want him to do outside of "punch harder"? And he doesn't have the benefit of decades of martial arts training to help him really imagine anything more complicated than rock paper scissors.

You want imaginative fights, watch literally anyone besides Gon and Killua during the CA arc. The difference between characters who are written as seasoned veterans and a couple of kids is very clear in this series.

>>154363320
>missing the point

First of all, taking a long time to charge isn't particularly that much of a downside if you're smart, same with being painful to use, because he just deals with it anyway. Gons hard punch takes time to charge, and actually requires planning to execute. Killuas speed allows him to nothin personnel anyone he fights against

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>>154363374
>Getting around drawbacks by being smart is OP.
>Torture isn't bad if you can deal with it
Are you reading what you're typing?

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>>154362836
Okay

>>154363496
>I haven't read the manga: the post

Killua has MULTIPLE times shown that he's effectively immune to electrical torture. Did you miss like the six scenes where they explicitly state as much?

>being smart
Staying at home till you're able to go out again isn't exactly a cunning plan is it?

>>154363639
>I haven't read the manga: the post
I haven't been in an HxH thread in ages. Nice to see nothing's changed with people pulling out "hurr durr animefags" anytime they see an argument they don't like. It's pretty necessary for them to explain his immunity to electricity in the anime, too, genius.

>>154363639

>immune
He said so himself that it's still painful, regardless if he can bear with it or not. Refer to heaven's arena you dumb faggot

>>154363722
>it was also in the anime

Then there's no reason why he should have missed it is there?

>>154363741
>dumb faggot

Hey now, can you stay above petty shitposting when you're clearly wrong?

He says it's 'painful', yet it never shows any lasting side effects, and in fact he doesn't even appear to be in pain when confronted with electricity. Painful in the sense that a run is also painful, it doesn't qualify as a drawback

>>154362349
Yes. Killua's body has been accustomed to electricity for years, so he found a way to link his nen to his neural system, particularly the neurons that control reflexes in his spine, so that anything disturbing his en, even nen, could trigger an automatic response as fast as lightning. He came up and developed it in a life or death situation when he had no other choice but this first time he applied it to his fingers. Godspeed is basically when he applies this technique to his entire body and as many people already pointed out, it has the downsides that it needs an electric outlet tl recharge and it doesn't last long, particularly if he's fighting a strong enemy like Youpi. And it can be countered with careful planning and also be susceptible to a trap from a very fast enemy (attacking him from x direction so he instinctively dodges the attack while you attack quickly from the other side faster than he can react).

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>>154363722
He still feels the pain, he's just been trained to bare it. You could even say his awful upbringing is the price he payed for his power.

>>154363814
>Then there's no reason why he should have missed it is there?
He never implied that he missed it. Like the other guy is saying, his immunity doesn't mean it's pain-free, though you're right that in practice it doesn't have any visible effects.

I don't really care about the power levels argument, though. I just thought it was ridiculous that you were pulling a "read the manga" argument in a context where it wouldn't make a lick of sense even if you really stretched it.

>>154363915
meant for >>154363639

>>154363320

Gon's drawback is that Jajanken is a shitty ability overall.
When/if he ever regains nen, after all the shit he went through there's a decent chance his category changed and he'll have to develop a new hatsu from scratch.

>>154363930
desu I thought he was shitposting, and that if I went with the have you watched the show there'd be the immediate >showfag response. Bringing up the manga is the much safer option when >Implying that someone's got no idea of the source material

>>154364018
Okay, fair enough.

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>>154362349
I can only defend Godspeed on the grounds that Killua isn't breaking any pre established rules of nen. With that being said, forever fuck Togashi for giving him ability that basically OHKO's the vast majority of nen users before they could fight back.

>>154363174
>Gons ability to punch hard

I miss the fishing pole

>>154363994
Why would his category change? Enhancement is the strongest overall type of nen even if it isn't the most creative, and it's linked to his inherent personality. I'd rather he develop it further and get on Uvogin's level.

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>>154363994
>there's a decent chance his category changed
That's not how that works anon. At best someone can gain a specialization hatsu later in life if they weren't born with the affinity but nobody just changes types; and even then it's only a 1% chance if you're Conjuration or Manipulation.

Your category affinity is what you're born with, like a blood type.

>and he'll have to develop a new hatsu from scratch.
Now this can actually happen

>>154364044
It's just OP in physical fights. Anyone quicker than him could counter it.

>>154363174
I think you are missing the whole point of both Killua and Gon as far as combat goes.

Speedsters and strong punchers are far from rare in battle series, but HxH uses them fairly uniquely.

Gon doesn't, and can't, just go around punching people with janken pon. It's a finishing move, not a fighting move. Take the bomber battle. The fight wasn't the few seconds where he used the attack once, it was the several hours of jumping around to waste travel cards and everything else to setup the punch. It's like Jigglypuff's down B in smash bros melee. She doesn't go around spamming it on every attack. A lot of her game revolves around baiting out an opportunity to use a very difficult to land, but deadly move.

Killua is similar. Speedster characters are common, but he doesn't use it to win fights by attacking opponents repeatedly faster than they can react. He uses it primarily to run away. He "won" against Youpi by fulfilling his goal of surviving and delaying him. He "won" against Pouf by keep Komugi safe through running away.

They don't by hitting harder or running faster, with the climax being that they hit even harder and run even faster when dramatic tension calls for it. This is a tool in their kit and the fight is about how to creatively make use of it.

>>154364133
Good post. Well thought out and reasoned.

You're right that they do use them relatively well, but my main problem with killuas speed mode is that it's a wasted opportunity to showcase what puts HxH above most other shonen series.

Creativity in application can only cover so much, and I guess I'm disappointed that this was the best togashi could come up with. Killuas family is privy to 101 mystic arts and dark secrets, and togashi had pretty much a clean slate when it came to designing his hatsu. With Gon, it's hard to rationalize how a 15 year old would come up with an impressive power, but with killua the possibilities were endless. He could have been a beastmaster, or dragon summoner, or mind rape master, yet they went with the safest possible powerup.

>>154364115
Yeah, but he's already faster than two royal guards so there's already a tiny minority that could survive Godspeed.

>>154364099
So Kurapica is cheating, right?

>>154364324
Pitou is the fast one of the royal guards desu. Youpi is more about strenght and Pouf is about whatever faggotry he has up his sleeve.

>>154364075
The only decent thing from the shitty On movie was seeing Gon using a fishing rod to fight for a while

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>>154364338
Don't you mean Curarpikt?

>>154364324
>>154364366

Point still stands. Royal guards are stronger than like 98% of all nen users, so people able to avoid getting rekt is absurdly small.

FUCK i hate pouf

What kind of nen power would you try to develop?

I'd just make my power "kills people", and my restriction would be that I can only use it for 1 second every 24 hours.

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>>154364366
that may be true but Killua manage to outrun a luvxury car with Alluka on his back and keep a good distance from Tsuborne + Amane. Godspeed just makes most of his fights end up like pic related.

>>154364620
Yeah he has been insanely OP for his age since the beginning, I don't see how people had trouble with him having an ability like this.

>>154364099

I could have sworn it was mentioned somewhere that categories in general can change after major experiences.
Also, doesn't the business with Specialization imply that Conjuration and Manipulation are really just immature forms of it?

Depending on how you look at the chart, maybe all categories are immature forms of Specialization.

>>154364703
>he's been op since the start
>this makes it okay

??????

>>154364842
It's ok but not because of this. Killua's strenght is speed, killing in the blink of an eye. Him developing an ability that lets him fight at the speed of his reflexes is not an "asspull".

>>154364703
Placing main a character near the top of pile ruins the tension from a story perspective. Think back to the why the needle is so controversial, before it's reveal there was always emphasis put on Killua having a ways to go until he developed into top tier fighter. Now because of plot convenience Killua's is not only one of the fastest characters seen in the series, but watching his less interesting because it's obvious he'll win most bouts.

>>154365198
I think Togashi put the needle so Killua wouldn't be too ahead of Gon. Now that he removed it they are almost the same.

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Who is HxHs /ourguy/ and why is it hisoka?

>>154364338
No, he's got one of those "by birth" circumstances that lets him use specialization.

>>154364840
>lso, doesn't the business with Specialization imply that Conjuration and Manipulation are really just immature forms of it?
Yes and no. Look at Chrollo and Pakunado. The former conjures a book and the latter can manipulate memories. It's not too much a stretch to assume that both of them started off as non-specialists and eventually developed those abilities.

However, someone like the chameleon guy are hardline specialists. His abilities don't derive themselves from any other category.

>>154364294
>He could have been a beastmaster, or dragon summoner, or mind rape master, yet they went with the safest possible powerup.
Most of those are things his family does, and he's trying to distance himself from that image if you remember? When he was making his ability he had a time limit and he used what he knew and what fit his nen category. That's the most important part and a lesson we learned from Castro; make an ability that mirrors your aptitude. Trying to imitate his family would have left him underpowered in terms of Hatsu.

Now he could have gone his grandfather's route and Transmuted his aura into a dragon, but I do like the development of his lightning abilities. It went from stun gun to full on lightning cowl. It's not OP, it has uses that are non-combat. And each milestone is build around some challenge that he has to evolve in response too like the darts game.

I don't think Togashi wasted showing off a complex system. Each arc since the arena has had it's share of creative Nen users. CA arc had no less than 5-6 primary characters.

>>154365352
>autistic pedophile
Pretty much, yeah.

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>>154365352
But Feifei is our guy.

>>154363994
>Gains the ability to go mega gon whenever he wants

>>154365516
How on earth is he /ourguy/

>>154365595
You could say the same about Hisoka.

>>154364098
>can be hard countered by conjureres and manipulators, maybe even transmuters if they're like Killua with a property normally hazardous to people
>strongest overall type
?

>>154365638
See
>>154365511

>>154365649
Any type can beat another anon. This isn't rock paper scissors (pun intended). Depending on the skill or ability any person of any type has a chance to beat another. Nen categories are just broad generalizations in ability types.

>>154364044
>an assassin
>using abilities good for assassination
>being mad about this
okay

Why the FUCK didn't we get an illumi/killua 30 ep assassination arc

>>154365906
That sounds boring. Who gives a shit about Illumi? Killua certainly doesn't.

>>154365850
>*teleports in front of royal guards*
>'Nothing personnel, ant'

This is the problem I have

>>154365956
DESU this is sounds leagues more interesting that Zoldyck and Heavens arena

>>154365956
>long form assassination can make for some of the best tension
>zoldyck family clearly knows much more than anyone else in the world
>actually get to see illumi fight
>introduce DC objects, knowledge and other important knowledge before the DC arc asspulls left, right, and centre

Gee whiz, sure wouldn't want to see togashi be a competent writer

>>154365452

>However, someone like the chameleon guy are hardline specialists. His abilities don't derive themselves from any other category.

Manipulation.
His true power manipulates senses so people can't properly perceive his presence. In a way he's similar to Pakunoda, in that any memory of his appearance is erased before it can be cognized.

A real hardline specialist is Neon. Her power can't be rationalized at all, and it was "created" by someone who doesn't seem to even know about nen.

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is this the weeb version of the flash?

>>154365516
>chink manlet edgelord who tortures children
>/ourguy/

And fuck Hisoka too. KURORO STRONK!!

>>154366070
>A real hardline specialist is Neon
Yeah, I didn't make the proper connection. This one is purely "doesn't fit into any category" territory for specialist.

>>154366231
No. Just your typical weeb edgelord who can teleport behind you. Hek

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>>154366293
>2deep4u bookfag
>/ourguy/

Chrollo is a /lit/fag, Pedoclown and Pedochink are fine

>>154365965
Royal guards had little to no experience with Nen battles. Their minds just weren't adept at countering abilities because they were so overpowering in the first place

>>154366630
AYY MUH GUMMY CHAKRA

>>154366070
>Neon. Her power can't be rationalized at all, and it was "created" by someone who doesn't seem to even know about nen.

How did she gain nen abilities

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/r9k/ : the character

>>154366933
How did Komugi?

>>154366950
What nen technique did she use?

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>>154366978
Being really good at gungi. She was powerful because she placed a limitation on herself that she would die if she ever lost.

I remember that some people can accidentally awake their nen. Maybe Komigui and Neon had a traumatic or a supernatural experience, respectively, and both of them have unknowably placed restrictions that make their abilities work better.

>>154367006
Stupid

>>154362349
can you please stop doing hxh shitpost threads?

>>154364620
>Godspeed just makes most of his fights end up like pic related.
Literally when? Killua used Godspeed twice, once on Youpi where he did no damage and had to run away, and once on a weakened Pouf clone who fucked off because he had better things to do

>>154367818
>6 generic moe shit of the season
>4 loli threads
>5 x is for y threads
>1 hunter thread asking a specific question about a questionable character design choice

>get told to stop

REALLY makes me think

>>154362349
Just scratch the entire CA arc, to be honest.