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Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, aka The Phenomenology of Spirit

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When i was studying Hegel on my college, i had noticed something weird, but pretty accurate:
Has anyone noticed that Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is some short of a The Phenomenology of Spirit allegory?

Try to compare the first part of TTGL with the first part of hegel's book (Self-Consciousness) and the 2nd part of TTGL with the 2nd part of PS.

You will notice that not only Hegel, but there's also Marx and Lukacs references when the Lordgenome's police shows up and they are a bunch of bestialized beings. When the plots advance and we discovered that the anti-spirals were another spiral race, this reffers to Lukac's thesis (on marx) about the degeneration of bourgeois consciousness, movement that happens with the worldwide death of bourgeois modern project and illuminist ideals, marked by 1848, when the bourgeoisie leaves the stats of a revolutionary class to a reactionary class, killing the spirit of french revolution and starting an era of repression to the new emergent class: the proletariat.

Furthermore, according to Hegel, the human history do not moves into a straight line, but into some kinda of spiral movement. This is at the introdution of The Phenomenology of Spirit. This also occurs at TTGL timeline, history and characters progression. The "spiral energy" is a clear way that shows how the creators of TTGL were influenced by hegel's thoughts. This happens not only at Gurren Lagann, but also on Kill la Kill at its beginning, when Satsuki is speaching and says that "Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!": when hegel is on the Reson, he argue that the reason make everything explainable so you can justify everything, even the worst estate's crimes. This is also another clear reference to the dialetic moviment.

I was writing an article about this subject, but it become so fucking long that i dropped. What do you think about this? Would you like to see the rest?
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See, for a quickstart, at this analogy, you have to understant that there are two Consciousness at The Phenomenology of Spirty, one that is watching another one, and this second one is constantly passing through a lot of different processes. Here we have Kamina as the first Consciousness, and Simon as the second one.

Simon's speech on kamina's death is his aufhebung (idk the english word for this, suprassunction) on his brother. Simon here is the new Consciousness, after the aufhebung process on kamina. Both the first and the second Consciousness become some short of a 3rd one, superior but with some elements conserved. This is our Simon now, and it's now possible to move to the second part of TTGL and also to the second part of The Phenomenology of Spirit. There we will find critics against the reason, the Estate and so on.
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you're drunk ESL-kun
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>>154355362
War is life.
We fight and we die.
All else is sophistry and pretty lies.
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Spiral Power is a spook you limp dicked fucks
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>be Imiashi
>throw a whole bunch of mecha tropes you loved as a child into one anime
>some kid in a Philosophy 101 class thinks it's some sort of philosophical allegory
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>>154355711
DELET THIS
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>>154355362
I always thought it was because there were just so many philosophical and sociological theories out there relating to ideas of conflict stories regardless of the plot will always have some root and branching idea.

A modern way of saying it is.
"Everything is a Jojo reference." - Anonymous
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>>154356394
That's the point.
Hegelianism is so fucking complex that perfectly fits with TTGL crazy development.
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>>154355362
Have you seen kancolle? It has girls that are actually battle cruisers.
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>>154355362
I feel that, especially in regards to Marx, if you try hard enough it can apply to anything. You're over thinking this, but as a philosophy major, or someone of equivalent interest, that's what you do. Carry on, if only for your own sake.
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>Hegel, installed from above, by the powers that be, as the certified Great Philosopher, was a flat-headed, insipid, nauseating, illiterate charlatan who reached the pinnacle of audacity in scribbling together and dishing up the craziest mystifying nonsense. This nonsense has been noisily proclaimed as immortal wisdom by mercenary followers and readily accepted as such by all fools, who thus joined into as perfect a chorus of admiration as had ever been heard before. The extensive field of spiritual influence with which Hegel was furnished by those in power has enabled him to achieve the intellectual corruption of an whole generation.


Hegel BTFO
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>>154355413
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>>154359919
why was Shoppy so angry at everything, who hurt him?
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>>154355362
Congratulation you now realize that finally anime have run out of ideas just like every industry in capitalism system
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>>154362418
>run out of ideas just like every industry in capitalism system
happens with hyper-efficiency
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>>154362329
Read Schopenhaurs "On Women"
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>>154362418
>capitalism = stagnation
Is this a meme?
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>>154358789
There's no battlecruisers in KanColle. There's battleships, fast battleships, aviation battleships, heavy cruisers, aircraft cruisers, light cruisers, torpedo cruisers, destroyers, armored aircraft carriers, standard aircraft carriers, light aircraft carriers, submarines, aircraft carrying submarines, landing ships, submarine tenders, aviation tenders, an oiler, and a repair ship. But no battlecruisers. The closest class in the game is the Kongou-class which was originally built as battlecruisers and later modernized into fast battleships, but the game treats them as fast battleships from the get-go.
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>>154363460
Oh yeah and training cruisers, forgot about those sluts.
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>>154355711
>>154355362

It's a good story that at some point in the production got derailed from the original plan and unable to connect with the first eps foreshadowing.

The disconnect somehow spawn convenient fan theory that then accepted by the makers as the somesort of canon.
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>>154355362
OP, TTGL is a /leftypol/-approved anime.

Also check out Kaiba, it is very Hegelian.
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>>154355560
kick reason to the curb, dumb Stirnerfag
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>>154359919
this makes me like Hegel more
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>>154355362
what is the žižek of anime? asking for a friend
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Good shit OP.
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>>154369583
Look for something pseudointellectual and pretentious. I'm sure many shows would fit the bill.
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>>154355413
Wait. You're accusing someone who can understand and explain Hegel of not being able to speak English.
Rot in hell, redneck trash.
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>>154371505
Lain
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>>154371517
Then there you have it. Slavoj Zizek the anime.
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>>154355362
It is worth turning it into a full-blown research paper so why not
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>>154359919
t. guy who inspired trash like Nietzsche
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>>154369583
Someone who hates himself and looks homeless, so probably Mr Anno.
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>>154355362
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh9oLs67Cw
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>>154369583
Utena
It's all about people drowning on ideology
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>>154371512

He may have read and understood Hegel, but OPs writing ability is barely High School level. Maybe its just the abhorrent American school system, but reading OPs post was painful.

Grammar is all over the place, sentence structure is strange and there are quite a few spelling errors. OP also doesn't understand how to use punctuation.

He does sound like an ESL.
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>>154355711
Idk, it's not crazy to assume they would go so far. They even had the baddies names align with DNA nucleotides with the bonding pairs as friendships.
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>>154373623
>Grammar is all over the place, sentence structure is strange and there are quite a few spelling errors.
But that's .. Hegel.
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>>154369583
Hibiki, of course
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>>154355362
>Hegel
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>>154355362

naruhodo
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>>154355362
nigga wat
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I read it as "The Phenomenology of Spiral" the entire time.
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No OP, what you should be looking for is eastern philosophy. Spirals pop up there more often and in many different ways.
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>>154355362
I just like how simple the core idea was a Spiral

Spiraling outwards
Helix Spiral (evolution)
Drilling a hole though a wall

Simple metaphors are the best
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>>154355362
OP you are the epitome of pseudo-intellectualism. You are THE pseud. Congratulations.
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>>154380307
epic....
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>>154369583
And so on
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>>154355362
absolute madman
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>>154359919
schopenhauer is a disgusting indirect apologist, the typical degenerate bourgeois. This guy is an irrationalist who says that the capitalism is a final stage of humanity, highlighting its barbarism not as something related to the socio-historical context but as a general existential caracteristic, inherent to human life. This is a mystical bullshit, there isnt any historical evidence of something like this. Schopenhauer is a stuppid ass who cant even understant hegel. lol
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>>154371613
yup, also heidegger and other irrationalist proto-nazi
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>>154371512
>you need to know english to read Hegel
Maybe he isn't some pleb and read the original instead?
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>>154366706
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>>154359919
hey. only based Kierke is allowed to bash Hegel
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>>154355362
tl;dr
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>>154355711
>gainax
>literally story writing on acid
>thinking it's that simple
>being this retarded
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>>154386856
You said it yourself, it's story writing on acid, how is that not simple? You don't actually try to find some kind of deep meaning behind these trashy shows, or do you?
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>>154387337
The only thing trashy here is your life, get rid of it.
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>>154387337
TTGL is greater than ur whole family
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>>154383432
>I can't form an actual opinion or argument so I'll call it a spook
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>>154359919
Man, Shopenhauer was one angry bastard.
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>>154386043
Kierkegaard was a talentless hack
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>>154376771
gg, u got me
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Did Kohacka actually read Camus and Kierkegaard? It honestly feels like he did considering the general themes of the games.
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>>154359919
>listening to le no children man
don't do this
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>>154383432
I can see Camus falseflagging on 4chan already
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>Hegel's Meme-menology of Spirit
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I kept this thread open just to see where it could go, but now I´m realize that I don´t even know who Hegel is
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>>154390598
Then you're in good company. Always remember, according to Hegel himself, only one person ever understood his work and even that person didn't understand it correctly.
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>>154390598
i'm not alone
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>>154390694
then hegel died and people started to study the oldman
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>>154390869
just like Imiashi. Then he created gurren lagann
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Oh shit, so the mecha piloting a bigger mecha piloting a bigger mecha that challenges god is a metaphor for the hierarchy culminating in absolute idealism?

It's so ingeniously simple, it's almost as if I could have come up with it while drinking whiskey and shitposting on /a/.
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>>154391100
>It's so ingeniously simple, it's almost as if I could have come up with it while drinking whiskey and shitposting on /a/.
But you didn't and that's why you are still a nobody. It's the modern art principle.
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>TTGL is based on Hegel's Phenomenology
>LWA seems to be a Nietzschean masterpiece
How can other anime even compete?
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>>154390598
Hegel is the modern father of dialectic. He inspired all of a humanists and left-wingers generation, from Max Stirner and Bruno Bauer to Marx and Bakunin, and even Marx surpassing him, both hegel and marx were vulgarizated in 20th century. Some historians and philosophers, like Lukács and the Budapest School, try to get back their method and legacy. Nowadays intellectuals like Domenico Losurdo, José Chasin and Zizek continue this job.
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>>154391384
>Zizek
Endless memes
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>>154391100
Exactly! The mecha piloting a bigger one being piloted by another bigger one and so on develops in a spiral sequence. This scale is a hyperbole to this movement.
You see, also is a spiral the way enemies appear in the history development.

It's completely acceptable to this hegels allegory the size of the "premecha" controlled by the another one is in comparison to the bigger one which is piloting the smaller one if you consider the aufhebung process (previous moment getting surpassed [a negation with conservation] to a further moment).
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go home /a/ you're drunk
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>>154392173
epic......
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The most TTGL had in terms of intellectual commentary was its message of pushing past your limits and not taking people's shit.
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>>154394024
No, the most TTGL had in terms of intellectual commentary was its core message of accepting loss is necessary to keep things moving forward.
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>>154371505
ergo proxy
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