What is the "Star Wars" of Anime?

>>154015745
Gundam maybe. Both are shit.

stars wars!! the animation

Evangelion, except it's actually good.

>>154015760
>>154015936

WEW.

k-on!

Not anime but Muv-luv trilogy, especially alternative.

>>154015745
Your Name

>>154015745
Gundam.

Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3n3leaHBpw

>>154015745
LoGH

>>154016165
actual video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJdyOO01HFo&t=0m45s

There isn't one.

-most profitable franchise of all time
-world-wide success for all audiences
-helped pioneer modern special effects
-merged and innovated many genres
-shit-ton of spin-off/non-canon material
-divisive fans and later content

Only thing I could think of that was close enough was Pokemon, and technically the anime is a spin-off itself so it doesn't count.

>>154015745
Space Battleship Yamato

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>>154016287

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More importantly, what is the anime equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

>>154016265
You forgot
>sold out to a multimedia giant that is now running the franchise on homages and forced diversity

>>154016381

digibro's Sword Art Online analysis.

>>154015745
Digi's Why The Asterisk War Sucks

>>154016381
My fucking god. This describes Rebuild 3.33 PERFECTLY.

>>154015745

in what sense?

space opera fantasy?
industry changer?
obnoxious fans?

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>>154016255
This is the only proper answer.

>>154016280
>>154016165
>>154016255

My friends of color.

>>154016490
>forced diversity

Do people who aren't /pol/acks actually complain about this?

>>154017147
Nah, it just is what it is. /pol/acks are retards, as usual.

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>>154016381
rebuild you can not redo is the most disappointing thing since my son
i mean how much more could you possibly fuck up the entire story of evangelion?

and while my son eventually killed everyone including himself in a giant apocalypse, the unfortunate thing about the rebuilds is that they will be around forever
they will never go away
they can (never) be undone

if you're someone who's under the age of like 20, and says his least favorite character in the series is rei, because she's the most "boringest one", then I suggest you shut this review off right now before I explain how much of a fucking idiot you are

>>154015936
This because of the cultural impact it had in Japan. In that way it's almost exactly like Star Wars.

>>154017400
It even has three incredibly shitty movie series made by the same director!

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"Its so dense. Each image has has so many things going on."

>>154015936
both were amazing series that were created by total hacks who have been profiting off them ever since, barely creating anything else since then

>>154017574
I don't think 3 live action movies and the involvement in several great anime series is barely anything.
Anno is objectively not a hack, he just chose to make money which is understandable.

>>154016381
That one Asterisk Wars video series.

>>154015745
Gundam.
or Space Battleship Yamato.

>>154017672
Anno is a hack, remakes and crap. Especially compared to George Lucas, who practically redefined and revitalized the entire cinema industry with ILM.

>>154017699
>implying Anno had not a big role in the anime industry
Anno made a ton of worthwile IPs, Evangelion is just the biggest of them.

>>154017672
the sellouts with shit like "girlfriend of steel" (basically selling the characters out so that they could create a generic SOL that would sell well) and adding in Mari into rebuilds are unforgivable

>>154017784
>implying Anno had a big role in the anime industry
He's been stagnating it since forever, the only thing he's done is make money on the otaku retards over at evageeks and 2ch.

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>>154015745
Gundam of course.

Yamato
Gundam is trash.

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>>154017898
I don't get how you can like SBY but not Gundam.

>>154017973
I don't like Yamato that much, I just think Gundam and it's fanbase are garbage so I refuse to acknowledge it.

>>154017784
So has Lucas, difference being that Lucas poured all his resources into making cinema easier and better for everyone. He improved work conditions for an entire industry. If not for the atrocious attitude he had with the continuous edits to the originals, he'd be championed as a hero. Lucas even turned Star War's success into a major benefit for the health industry, as the technology he invested in and developed was applied in the health sector.

Anno got caught for tax fraud, and pays his animators pennies. He admits the pay is low, but doesn't give a shit.

>>154018023
You do realise that Gundam and Star Wars share their reputation as being influential pleb tier right?

>>154018046
>pleb tier
Plebs hate Gundam and mecha in general.

>>154016381
<3 gene wilder rip

>>154016381
>>154017574

>Lucas
>hack

He lost his touch in the prequels, but the world he tried to build was great. And by that I mean The Clone Wars.
It's made by fans of the original trilogy who knew what Lucas was going for and the series is actually not half bad at all. It's all under Lucas' supervision though.

And how can you call Lucas a hack when he made THX and American Graffiti before making the original trilogy?

Also
>Anno
>hack
>made Shin Godzilla recently

>>154016381
I'm pretty sure there is some autistic anime reviewer on youtube doing long shitty analyzing who have large and cancerous fanbase.

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>tfw my favourite Gundam character is Char and my favourite Star Wars character is Thrawn
And none of them survived.

>>154018296
>>made Shin Godzilla recently

That's literally a remake in a series that has been beat to death.

>>154018375
i.e. Anno's specialty

>>154018467
His remakes are garbage though.

>>154018524
cutie honey was alright

>>154015760
>>154016165
Is MSG: The Origins the prequel of Gundam?

>>154018584
Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin is the prequel to Gundam 0079.

>>154017147
Spic here, it bothers me when they change a characters race with no reason whatsoever just to appeal to a broader audience (human torch for example), it's kinda insulting for me, and the worst part is that people suck that shit up, another thing that i don't like is when they portray job distribution in a unnrealistic way (suddenly 80 % of scientist are black or hispanic) que se jodan con esas pendejadas, so yeah, diversity for the sake of diversity is annoying to some people who aren't /pol/acks

>>154018619
I meant the prequel as the Prequel SW trilogy.

>>154018713
Gundam Origins is actually quite good, except for that retarded bit where someone in a suit of armour is chasing Char around and waving a sword.

>>154016165
man f91 is so fucking gorgeous
it's a shame about the pacing being a huge problem in some spots
most of it is bearable but it's way too fucking hard to tell how much time is passing between some scenes and where some scenes are taking place

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>>154018375
What's your point?
It was an amazing movie. Great build ups and rewards. The music direction and total destruction and constant race of Godzilla evolving vs human efforts to catch up to it was exiting. It was a race against time, with easily digestible political commentary and sci-fi. The effects of Godzilla destroying teh city was great to watch.

No hack could have made a movie like that. And before you bitch about the Rebuild movies let me remind you that he still made the original Evangelion series and climaxed with End of Evangelion.
He was also responsible for Gunbuster, Kare Kano, and was a key animator in a handful of Macross series.

So get this stupid "hack" shit meme out of here just because Anno and Lucas "ruined" your childhood. Lucas had a good run and established a world that still holds an ongoing franchise. And Anno 's still got it in the industry. He even formed Studio Khara which is pretty much made from the remnants of Gainax.

>>154017784
Anno is a fucking monster.

>By the time they noticed... they were on Ep15 and were already scraping the bottom of the budget. (laugh) This is why they used a lot of mania [otaku] employees who didn't mind putting in free overtime. And then Anno and the rest of the Gainax management became terrified as they finally realized that the situation they feared most -- the question of whether they would be able to make all of the episodes through the end of the series in time -- was slowly but surely becoming a reality. Too late, you fools! (laugh)

>* In addition to its “fan-service” connotations, "service (saabisu)" in Japanese is often used to mean "free/freebie", as in the "free overtime" mentioned in the following paragraph. This is why the author says Gainax staff still cry when they hear the word. (Additional note: The author implies in other comments that he was one of the mania [otaku] employees who performed a lot of “service” work and were then unceremoniously dumped.)

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>>154017242

Underrated Post

>>154018835
>No hack could have made a movie like that.
Any hack could. You praise destruction and mayhem, but that makes him no better than Michael Bay. Lucas is pretty fucking ace compared to Anno. I can respect what Lucas did, because he did a lot more with his franchise empire than Anno ever did.

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>big shit happening everywhere
>different cultures fucking about
>one smaller, one larger group
>one dominant force
search your heart anon, you know it to be true

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>>154018921
Did you miss the part of the post where I also said that aside the destruction, the build up to the race against an evolving creature paired with the comical Japanese political commentary ?

Let me just ask, did you watch Gunbuster? It's an extremely detail oriented sci-fi mecha anime. Also inspired by Star Wars (the Exelion's design is too reminiscent of the Star Destroyers). The animation is stunning, the use of relative time to create drama for the characters aging in different rates was great and added a great touch to the climax of the show.

I don't understand how people can call Hideaki Anno a hack? The Rebuild's don't have the same charm as the original anime and is overall just an action movie. But how does that make him a hack when he's done so much for the anime industry with other works?

It's people like you who judge Lucas as if the prequel movies were the only films he ever did or Starwars project he oversaw.

DELET THIS

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>>154019214
You're exaggerating. The political "commentary" isn't deeper than the width of your index finger. Taking potshots at bureocracy is incredibly lowbrow.

...and yes I watched Gunbuster. I liked it.

>I don't understand how people can call Hideaki Anno a hack?
It's simple - he directed and was part of some good projects, through the help of talented people. He'd be nowhere if not for Miyzakai taking him under his wing, or people busting their ass to help him at Gainax. He then abandoned them, and sold out his integrity redoing Evangelion in increasingly shallow and otaku-oriented ways. He does more remakes and adaptations than anything else.

This is what makes a hack. Whatever he was before, it no longer exists. Now he only exists to rewrite Evangelion in ways which pleases himself as an otaku - at least Lucas had a genuine story, Lucas only failed with the execution.

Anno may have used fanservice as a means to an end before, but his post-EVA anime has made fanservice the end.

>It's people like you who judge Lucas as if the prequel movies were the only films he ever did or Starwars project he oversaw.
Fairly sure my comment about Lucas disproves your strawman in our case.

>>154015745
Depends on what you mean by that.

>>154019391
>Fairly sure my comment about Lucas disproves your strawman in our case.
I meant to call you a hypocrite

>>154019431
You fucked up then. Enjoy some nuance for once:

Lucas did some messed up things, like actually ranting that he wanted the originals deleted from existence, so that only his edits would exist. But, Lucas made these edits with the massive progress he made with his studio. Call the edits poor if you want, I won't deny - but these edits, from the edited rock faces to the 3DCG ships were space age technology. Lucas is a special effects guy, to create these practical props was his life. To do it digitally was the natural next step, and he succeeded.

Fans didn't take it well when he put it in the series they loved, and who won't understand that? Even the prequels, as poorly written as they are, paved way for modern green screen use and showed that it was possible. Today there's hardly a single TV-series or movie that isn't filled with composite computer images that no one notices.

For his efforts and dedication to the industry, Lucas actually does deserve a pat on the back.

So what exactly has "The Master" Anno been pouring into into the well of Japanese animation over the past decade? Nothing but fanservice, otaku nonsense and long outdated 3DCG, with no innovation and low animator salaries despite owning one of the biggest franchises in all of Japan.

That's why Anno is a hack.

>>154019391
>>154019713

>You're exaggerating. The political "commentary" isn't deeper than the width of your index finger. Taking potshots at bureocracy is incredibly lowbrow.

Never implied it was deep. I said it was simple and it paired along well with the movie. Also it being "lowbrow" is just your opinion. Even if at times Shin Godzilla was self masturbatory by reusing that Evangelion track multiple times, it was a movie you can tell Anno enjoyed making. While the Rebuild movies can be seen as something a hack would do for the sake of cashing in on an older critically acclaimed franchise, Shin Godzilla was Anno trying something new. He is also a fan of Godzilla and other kaiju franchises such as Ultraman so the motivation for this was not a cash in, it was him trying to make his own vision of Godzilla. And you know what, it was a success.

>Whatever he was before, it no longer exists. Now he only exists to rewrite Evangelion in ways which pleases himself as an otaku - at least Lucas had a genuine story, Lucas only failed with the execution.

People kept circle jerking over the first two Rebuild movies even though they were almost identical to the first half of the show. The moment he tried something different with the franchise everyone went wild with their criticisms. As shitty as Rebuild 3.33 was, it was the most original thing that came out of the Rebuilds and like Lucas' episode 1 and 2 (I liked 3) had poor execution.

>That's why Anno is a hack.
What is a hack to you? A sellout or simply a person who cannot innovate the industry he works in despite having many great works?

>>154018922
>one dominant force
Star wars is all about the balance with the two side of the force.
>too many jedi and barely any sith
>Anakin kills jedi and die, fulfilling his destiny

At this point the only way Anno can preserve whatever remains of his legacy is to die before he finishes the next Eva movie.

>>154020281
I just want him to get the last Rebuild move done so he can focus on something outside Evangelion.

>>154020042
>Never implied it was deep.

Fine then. All of my points stick. It's a fanservice remake, one of many more I'm sure.

>People kept circle jerking over the first two Rebuild movies even though they were almost identical to the first half of the show. The moment he tried something different with the franchise everyone went wild with their criticisms.

That's not true, 1.11 and 2.22 had some fairly wild differences, and people got more excited the more differences there were. 2.22 was better received than 3.33.

>As shitty as Rebuild 3.33 was, it was the most original thing that came out of the Rebuilds and like Lucas' episode 1 and 2 (I liked 3) had poor execution.
Wrong on every account, that shows you just did not understand Rebuild, or Anno as a person. Personally, I had seen 3.33 before it was even out. I'd seen it in every otaku hive that discusses Evangelion and plunges itself into pointless waifu war.

There is nothing new or original with 3.33 because it's an existing insane otaku fantasy put to film. There is no story, there is no meaning nor are there any realistic or believable characters. It is utter tripe, after three movies and more than five years in the making.

The point? It's not enough to be different, it also needs to be good. Which 3.33 wasn't.

>What is a hack to you? A sellout or simply a person who cannot innovate the industry he works in despite having many great works?
Anno is both. A sellout who remakes.

>>154020042
>a success

"Your Name" is a success. Anno's overhyped pseudo-pedigree crap isn't.

>>154020534
Can you please stop being a retard ?

>>154020577
$326,970,128
vs
$70M something.
ka-fucking ching.

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>>154015745
Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z

Even if people don't like the genre of anime, younger people still know some phrases from it and could point out Goku in the same way they could pick out a Jedi

>>154017242
kek

It's 100% Evangelion
A really great piece of entertainment that should have been one-and-done, but got so popular that it's legacy couldn't be left alone, and now we'll be drowning in R2D2 thermoses and Unit 01 bathroom mats until the day we die

>>154015745
Poorly disguised rec thread
>>>/wsr/

>>154020811
except it fucking isn't?
you would have to be a total normie to not know what Gundam or Evangelion are.

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>>154017543
"I may have gone too far in a few places."

>>154017242
underrated

>>154018369
people die everyday

>>154019214
delet this

>>154017242
evangelion 3.0+1.0 is the most disappointing thing since evangelion 3.33

well shit, i think it's hard to be disappointed any more when your expectations are so low they're right next to dinosaur bones

Gundam or Yamato

>>154020976
DELET THIS

>>154018769
literally what amuro does in 0079

>>154015745
Pokemon.
>Everyone knows a character or has watched an episode
>Merchandise empire
>Timeless, people still watch the anime and play the games no matter their age
>One of the most known game series and by extension anime series

>>154020357
sounds to me like 3.33 just made you so jaded it made you discredit Anno for everything he did in the original Eva

>>154022497
the lucas effect

>>154022497
I said he did good with EVA. He's still a hack today.

>>154016490
Where the fuck has there been forced diversity in the Star Wars movies? Everyone was sperging out over Fin in the last movie but he made absolute sense within the confines of the movie. He was a child abducted and reeducated into being a storm trooper.

Movie was still shit but there was none of that forced diversity whatsoever.

>>154022821
just look at the race/gender breakdown of the major protags + villains

it's not normally something i'd notice, but in tfa it isn't subtle

>>154022887
Let me try and remember.

Empire had all white dude main characters with the exception of Phantasm who was an undetermined ethnicity woman.

Rebellion had 2 or three white dude characters, 2 main white women characters and 1 black main character. On top of that, not once did I hear an utterance of "Kill Whitey".

It's literally the same bullshit as when people white about too many white dudes in at the Oscars. Judge the movies by their content, not their cast.

>>154023169
>Rebellion had 2 or three white dude characters
one was hispanic, one was han solo (who died)

>It's literally the same bullshit as when people white about too many white dudes in at the Oscars. Judge the movies by their content, not their cast.
it's not really a big deal and the movie was mediocre anyway, but it was a thing

>>154016165
on one hand F91 sucked due to the rushed pacing.
On the other hand Late UC is the best aesthetic in the gundam francise, and the movie is a fucking joy to watch

What is the Star Trek of anime?

>>154023861
gundam

What is the Stargate of anime?

>>154024032
I want to watch this

>>154024032
Hard mode: since we're talking Stargate here, it can't be made by a top/AAA studio. Has to be a minor/small/less-known studio.

>>154019391
>Whatever he was before, it no longer exists.

how?
it's ok to say the Rebuilds sucked but he made other quality anime like Gunbuster and Kare kano, even though that last one was an adaptation.
How can the Rebuilds take away from what he did in the past? You can either improve or deteriorate in talent, but accomplishments will still remain.

>>154024976
Rahxephon?

>>154018841
>Episode 15

Dear god. That was before both good Beserker scenes

>>154024982

Vaders is less threatening as a villian after I learned his backstory in the prequels

New works can indirectly detract from the original.

>>154025036
That... would probably qualify.
>Media Factory/Bones/Fuji TV
>sort of a cult favorite, but not widely known except by /m/echa fans
>ancient civilization oppressing the masses
>MC and crew uncover means of fighting back
Not a bad choice.

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>>154025133
>Vaders is less threatening as a villian

Bad opinion. He was still just as threatening. The prequels were supposed to make him tragic and at the same time compliment on how far he's come from being a slave born in Tatooine.

Have you not seen the only redeeming quality of Rouge One where you see Vader's sheer display of power terrorize the rebels as he slowly and methodically kills each one as he walks at the end of the movie?

Also how can you say that when in the original trilogy he was always a pawn of the Emperor and you see this especially in Return of the Jedi. That doesn't take away how threatening is to you but him having a tragic backstory (that was poorly executed and badly acted) does?

>>154016490
>>154016265
Gundam meets all requirements but these 2
>-world-wide success for all audiences
>-helped pioneer modern special effects
Also>forced diversity
m8 it's a sci-fi series people are gonna look like anything.

>>154023861
Macross

>>154025841
He said Star Trek not Hanah Montana

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>>154017242
Beautiful

>>154025133
How is he less threatening? His displays of power and brutality aren't diminished by the fact that he was once an idealistic kid. Sure, he's recontextualized from some sort of monolithic evil to a sad, pathetic, broken man with a few modica of sympathy behind a mask of anger, but that is not really ill fitting as he was always merely a pawn of the emperor.

>>154018375
I'm not even a huge fan of Godzilla but Shin Godzilla was an awesome movie and I can't wait to see it again.

The nuclear breath scene is one of the best moments I've seen in a movie period.

>>154018638
The new Star Wars movies haven't changed anybodies race(except some nobody from the clone wars cartoon) and there are still plenty of white people.

I despise SJWs with a passion I can't put into words, but the people bitching about brown people in Star Wars are outright racists.

>>154015745
There is no ''Star Wars'' of anime.
Star Wars is the cultural zeitgeist of all of human culture, morality and art.

>>154027451
is A* cultural zeitgeist
not "the"

it's pretty impactful and will always be remembered but it's not as popular as when the popularity peaked when the original trilogy released

the last cultural zeitgeist is probably Pokemon

>>154017680
>>154016381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCDidtoZeaA
Runtime, 28:50, [Part 12b]

>>154027732
Digibro is autistic, why do I even sub to him?

>>154028034
I actually prefer his edgy rants he does in the middle of the night over his actual content on the main channel. I've only been watching for like a week but he seems to genuinely care about anime, and watching his videos have made me branch out and try different genres I wouldn't normally watch. I'm sure my enjoyment of his content will change over time though.

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>>154015936
>this is what evafags actually think

Who is the Sheev of anime?

>>154028161
Black Zetsu

Eva.
Popular dogshit.

>>154024982
>save ten people from a fire
good guy, hero
>murder ten children
Monste!

It's who you are today that counts.

>>154029118
I'm not knowledgeable enough in philosophy to argue this, but I believe that your accomplishments, may they be personal or on a bigger scale where it affects others, define your character.

>>154028136
>he seems to genuinely care about anime,
he does, and he is one of the few youtubers who I think knows a vast amount about the industry and is aware of the changes within it and how everything works.

But he takes it too far sometimes, like in the 20+ part analasys he does for SAO and Asterisk wars

>>154029338
Accomplishments are just stuff you did, your character, the real you, is the person who talks with people on an everyday basis, the personality you have. I'd rather hang out with a criminal with a friendly personality than someone who saved peoples lives but was an asshole to people personally. But, that's just me. Everybody has different values I guess.

>>154015745
Akira.