WHY did Flip Flappers fail?

no marketing

also it was /a/'s official AOTY so you're retarded

yuri doesnt sell

What does the right brain do again

>>153863004
Oh...... cool

>>153862901
It has a pretty decent following on /a/, it's the nips that have pleb taste.

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>>153862901
More like no brained.

Shit marketing.

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Get back in the womb Cocona

>>153862901
The ending was stupid.

>>153862901

I just finished it last night. Okay show, was really carried by Yayaka.

>>153863010
Left-side stuff.

It was average yuri-bait trying to hard to be the next madoka
Sometimes even the japanese have good tastes. I'm surprised anybody spent money on this shit.

>>153862901
One word.
YU
RI
SHIT

If anything at least we can all agree that the OP was fantastic.

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I hate hate hate you!

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>>153864425
But I love love LOVE this show!

Because it has some superficial things that looked cool, but in the end the melodrama dragged it down.

Compare that to Kemono Friends which is selling gangbusters despite its iffy visuals, because the the actually interesting characters and atmosphere.

Barely marketed, no popular names attached, not based on existing source material and a first episode that wouldn't catch most peoples' attention (I loved it though).

The pacing was terrible and up until the last couple of episodes, each one consisted of watching them fail until they either got it right or lost.
Both were incompetent and frustrating to watch.

>>153862901
Because I'm truthfully not a little girl.

>>153864622
Uh are you talking about KF or Flip flappers

Garbage anime, easily the worst of the prior season and one of the worst ever.

I get the feeling that some of these complaints are just baseless shitposting.

>>153862901
Didn't it do well in the theater run? also streaming sales >>> disk sales.

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>>153864751
What? Shitposting in a Fli-Fla thread? Even baseless shitposting? Such things do not exist.

>>153864797

Sadly, I watched the show after it finished airing, so I didn't get to participate in the threads while it was airing. I'm assuming this is the norm.

>>153864622
The first episode certainly caught my attention, I thought it was excellent. I could literally smell the adventure.

>>153864925

I found the first two episodes to be fairly boring and off-putting. From episode 3 onwards, it was engrossing though. Episode 3, especially, was a lot of fun.

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>>153864826
As the show got more popular around here you could barely talk about it the day a new epidsode was airing. Everyone was invited to the shitpost party. Didn't help that the last episodes are at least weaker than the rest, so the shitposters had something to latch onto. Got to the point that it could become difficult to talk about it, I remember one time I had, what I thought, a legitimate critic, but I got scream down by half the thread.

The rest of the week was fine, though, only the salesfaggots were persistent. In the early days we had one spammer with a really hard anti-yuri agenda.

>>153864925
Wasn't so impressed by the first episode, got interested by webms of episode 2's psychedelic world. But things like AB-chan, "You are alive!", Coconas dream and Asclepius keeped me interested.

Main characters look like those american "how to draw manga" illustrations.

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>Cockona

>>153865014
>>153865113
I suppose what I liked about episode 1 was that it had a nice quaint magical feeling to it, and that the PI was the kind of melancholy, quite, natural setting that I have a special thing for; those two things alone reminded me of some of my favourite things (books, manga, films etc) so it sat right with me from the start. And add to that the fact I really liked Papika from the beginning. Episodes 3 and 5 were probably my favourite, with the island episode right up there as well.

>>153862901
Because it was shit? You don't randomly drop a poor excuse of a plot to try to give your show "deepness" and expect people to give a shit when they were just in for the mindless fun and pretty colors.

>>153865574
This. It's the most pretentious show I've ever seen. Fags even are trying to say the shallow yuri bait was anything more than pedophilic fetishization. Deserved to bomb and have its hatebase.

>>153862901
It did though, /a/ just doesn't buy anime, even the ones we like.

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>>153864797
Rare Papika

>>153862901
Because it was shitty

>>153864677
What's the deal with that show? Like a month ago I thought people were watching it as a joke

>>153862901
It had a dumb name.

>>153865706
I really can't think of a worse character than this bitch.

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>>153865842

>>153865842
Yayaka please go. You had your chance.

The story.
It didn't need one.

There is something I don't understand, how can anyone like this show when it have not one but a bunch of inssufrable characters in it? Even your generic haremshit have most pleasant and likeable girls than this.

>>153865027
I honestly disagree with the notion that the last episodes are weaker in any way other than the animation errors. It smacks of confirmation bias to me.

>>153862984
This.

>>153865120
And this.

>>153865743
And fucking this especially.

Anyone who says because it was shit or had a dumb plot is out of their mind. Plenty of shit shows do very well.

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>>153866069
Anon, I defended the story-arc when everyone bitched about it. There are a lot of great moments in these episodes. My favorite is probably how they made Salt an actual character.

But see it this way: The show started this good that even the still strong last third kinda feels like a let-down. I think most people expected something mindblowing, but it played its ending fairly save. Also you can not see some issues with the animations at some times. I wish the fight scene at the beginning of episode 13 wasn't all key-frames. It's pretty much consensus that they are weaker.

>>153865684
Meh, if /a/ bought anime, it would probably just be barely 200 discs, so absolutely irrelevant.

It was great until mimi.
What a fucking waste.

>>153866288
the animation errors are the only thing that didn't live up to the rest of the series for me. But I was someone who was never in it for the animation so they didn't bother me at all. I was more worried that the narratives and themes carried from the start would not have a conclusive finish and thus I was not disappointed at all by the ending.

Of course the people who still talk about this are those that are passionate about it and that leans towards the negative. A lot of people who got what they wanted will have moved on from these types of discussions. It gets tiring to have the debate over and over again.

>>153866569
especially when it is often just bait or memes

>>153862901
Because it's Japan, you can't expect an Adventure Time rip off to get big.

>>153866802
>can't expect an Adventure Time rip off to get big.

But Kemono friends this season is way more Adventure Time-like than FliFla.

>>153862901
The characters felt pretty cliched an their relationships boring and predictable to me.
Unfortunately that's what the show spent most of its time on too.

>>153863004
No it wasn't, Flipshitters decided that themselves in their hugbox

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>>153862901
no marketing for episode 3
THAT WAS GOOD FAPPING MATERIAL

>>153867500
I'm sorry your favourite anime lost to Flip Flaps anon. But hey, at least you'll always have the sales figures!

>>153866802
You dissing Adventure time for not being autistic enough?
That show is autistic as fuck when you read between the lines. Full of physics and quantum bullshit for your stoner pseudo-intellectual american arse. When it begins to make sense writers usually stop it making sense though and it gets more right brained.
I laugh at you OP.

>>153864608
Kemono Friends is my favorite this season, but that's an oversimplification. I could just as easily say it's selling because it's a mobage adaptation with a huge and varied female cast. That absolutely fits current trends.

>>153868109
Kemono Friends is definitely not selling because of the mobage, though.

The huge and varied cute female cast might be one of the reasons why it's popular, however.

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Something just occurred to me today while rewatching episode one.
Bu-chan talks. He speaks in full, clear sentences. He can articulate himself and communicate. And then after episode 1, he doesn't anymore. In fact, he stops talking partway into episode one and never says anything but "pyuu" again.

Why "pyuu?"

Because his first words in the show are "This is Pure (Pyuuwah) Illusion." He speaks a couple times in the first half of the episode, each time mentioning Pure Illusion by name, and then doesn't anymore after he flies up and strikes his head against the branch of a tree and crashes. His brain case breaks open and Cocopapi look inside it, because the impact of striking that tree branch was so hard. Bu-chan got brain damage in episode one and lost the ability to say anything other than the first-syllable of Pure Illusion, probably the last full phrase he had spoken before his accident. He spends the rest of the show brain-damaged, unable to speak properly, and never recovers. Rather, he seems to become even more retarded over time, until the final episodes have him at the mental-level of Nyunyu, singing italian music with "pyuu"s while he happily plays follow-the-leader with a scantily clad toddler that abused him.

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>>153862901
they could have pulled a space dandy with cute girls but instead we got a shitty madoka with less suffering

>>153862901
cause it was a trash show, no lie

the only people who liked it were edgy losers going 'hurr durr so deep wow'

The show was definitely enjoyable and I appreciated the references. I prefer heavy dramas, but this was a good anime. Don't know why people would hate it so much.

>>153868828
>Don't know why people would hate it so much
See above. Shitposting mostly.

>>153868828
People exaggerate their dislike of something when they feel the positive response is disproportional. They don't hate the show so much as they simply didn't care for it and HATE the fanbase for DARING to like something that they didn't, so they embark on an autistic crusade and spout hate every which way in a vain attempt to antagonize the fanbase that failed to avoid enjoying disapproved content.

>>153862901
Angel beats syndrome
Shame, since the art was cool and the premise is cool and the characters were cool

>>153868282
The show has basically been game quests so far though. It definitely has the large cast formula that worked for boats and iM@S CG. Plus an idol element for good measure. I do wonder if it would have gotten as much attention if it were traditionally animated or if it would have just ended up like Leviathan.

Flip Flappers was more of a passion project with no marketing, and had a lot of elements that most anime don't bother with. I'm not really surprised by the response to it.

>>153868750
This guy gets it, though I don't subscribe to the implication that Madoka would be really much better.
Both cases are nice art but ultimately lacking in overall execution.

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>>153868943
But that's a sad thing.

>>153868638
He spoke in episode 4.

>>153869087
Madoka was optimized to shock value. It's nowhere near deep as FLFL.

>>153869232
Really? What did he say?

I rewatched 4 just recently and don't remember him speaking. I must have missed it.

>>153869286
At the end of the episode when they were entering the pi.

>>153869269
It was also doing the eva thing where it just borrowed random symbols and mashed them together into some sort of aesthetic pastiche without much underlying meaning.

It's very postmodern in that sense, now that I think about it, but in a way that's the opposite of deep. Anti-deep.

>>153869334
No. It based its world mechanics on accurate concepts of Jungian psychology. It's deep-deep where normal deepfags can't even get it without reading a book.

>>153869334
What random symbols?

>>153869269
I didn't claim it was. Doesn't change that neither of the titles deserve the different scales of overblown hype. Madoka is mainstream, Flip Flappers will remain a niche darling.

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>>153868984
>lumping Flip Flappers with shit like Angel Beats

>>153864331
It was, but the ED was better. The best ED ever, even.

>>153868821
i liked it because it was cute + had good art

>>153869430
The witch stuff was all a random jumble of historical and mythological references, most of which had little to no relevance to the actual show itself other than borrowing the image of "female from literature/history"

Like Homura's witch form randomly being Marie Stahlbaum with a spider lily head that was heading towards a guillotine for a french revolution-style public execution. There's not much meaning in her being compared to the character from The Nutcracker and almost seems as though they were trying to blend her with Marie Antoinette in some weird mashup.

It looked cool, but the references were meaningless.

>>153866569
>the animation errors are the only thing that didn't live up to the rest of the series for me
And also the sense of crazy adventures in LSD-land was completely missing from the Mimi arc, so it's easy to see why people like it so much less, as the crazy LSD adventures were the initial draw to the show.
I'm not the guy from before, but I share the same sentiment that the final third was great, but doesn't exactly live up to the rest of the show in many of its most important qualities.

>>153862901
I couldn't even get through three episodes. Pretentious crap.

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>>153869807
I thought you were talking about Flip Flappers.

>>153868638
That was Hidaka talking through Bu-chan. Bu-chan is a communication device for Flip Flap.

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>>153869897
Naw, Flip Flappers was on point.

>>153869807
>the references were meaningless
Says the ""deepfag"".

Almost everything that was put in has a meaning but the director didn't want to distract you too much so he made them latent.

>>153869810
>crazy adventures in LSD-land
It was never about crazy adventures in the first place. The Mimi arc started in ep 1, and in every PI the duo were fighting Mimi.

>>153870105
>but the director didn't want to distract you too much
Madoka was literally the definition of "style over substance." The aesthetic was in the forefront, and distracting, at all times because it was most of the show's appeal. The scenario itself was weak without the "trippy" visuals, and most of those visuals were just dead-end intertextual references thrown in for the sake of seeming like there was meaning where there was really none.

Intentionally misleading false-depth is a defining feature of postmodernism. It was very deliberate that the show's aesthetic was made up of things that had no deeper meaning in the narrative's context.

>>153870138
That's retrospective information that you can only figure out after having seen the whole show and looking back on the events, and doesn't contradict the descriptor of "crazy adventures in LSD-land" anyways.

>>153862901
It needed a male MC to self insert and about 10 more girls for otaku to waifufag over.

>>153870254
>Intentionally misleading false-depth
You're pretty predisposed but rest assured the show was intentionally made misleadingly shallow. Your failure to understand isn't really an argument about how it's not deep.

>>153870371
>isn't really an argument about how it's not deep.
It is, actually. Failure to convey depth is equivalent to lacking depth. In both cases, the depth is absent from the viewer's viewing experience.

>>153870138
That's true, but they could have done a better job at presenting the main plot and not keep it that hidden. Maybe namedrop Mimi a bit earlier, maybe with ever longer dream sequences at the start of the episode.

>>153870449
>Failure to convey depth
I see you're of the spoonfeeding type. If you like exposition FLFL is not for you.

>>153870513
I wasn't talking about FLFL, anon.

>>153870258
It's like the show basically told a Grim's fairy tale where it's apparently all fun and games like your crazy adventures in LSD-land if you read it as a child but there is much dark undertone that has been censored from historical versions, or in this case made latent in the show, which can only be understood by a thinking adult.
Is it wrong to demand a child's story when the director is trying to tell the adult's darkness?

>>153870138
So you the premise that drew you into the show at episode 1 was that Cocona and Papika were battling Cocona's mother, Mimi, who was just trying to protect Cocona from the dangers of the world but went to far and became a formless god-like entity?
Wow how did you glean all that from just watching the first episode when it aired?

>>153869810
Agreed, it's a little more nuanced than that though. One of the most villainous things Mimi tries to do to Cocona is to remove the adventure from PI by completely controlling it. Cocona and Papika's last battle cry is for the return of their adventure.

Of course this served to show the value of the adventure aspect rather than diminish it.

Salt's PI does the same thing by attempting to remove the magic altogether. But of course he isn't really as solid in his jadedness as the front he puts up.

Honestly these segments didn't lose the adventure of the first half, they celebrated it and emphasized Cocona's narrative victory in recapturing it.

>>153870697
>Wow how did you glean all that from just watching the first episode when it aired?
Of course not. But there are enough unresolved visual cues hinting at greater plot and if you somehow disregard those cues it's only natural you fail to understand what the story is about.

>>153869927
That's some nice Freudian imagery here.

>>153870796
Freud vs Jung round 883, start!

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>>153870796
It's Jungian!

Looks like generic waifushit

>>153870835
Sorry but Jung is canon. Frued is side dish.

>>153862901
Apparently some nips commented that they didn't like the designs (like the eyes are too big) and that the show is just a "sakuga-fest" where animators show off...as if that's a bad thing...
I just think that it failed to hook nip viewers when it started airing, for some reason.

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>>153870847
There's male characters

>>153870890
Looks like generic Gendoshit.

>>153870696
Going by that analogy, it would mean the children's tale suddenly turns into a wordy novel for the last 3 chapters that only adults can really understand or appreciate, but people are blaming the children who don't like the ending because "oh it's your fault for expecting anything less that a dark post-modern social commentary aimed at adults".

Not that I even think the analogy is apt in the first place. There was already plenty of darker, deep undertones in all of the episodes and plenty of accurate information of the latent plot elements was already being gleaned from the episodes on a weekly basis by dedicated anons, but the show drastically switches gears for the Mimi arc in the last 3/4 episodes, with the drop in animation quality only further punctuating it.

>>153870865
Note that the show's actual airing ratings were rock bottom for pretty much every episode. Almost nobody actually watched it to even know if it was a sakugafest or not.

Those comments come mostly from folks seeing short webms and gifs of the action sequences and not seeing anything impressive enough to grab their interest. They dismiss it by saying "yeah the animation is good, but dude, gay bait ON ICE" and don;t give it so much as a second glance

>>153870890
>characters
Salt is a dad, Hidaka is robo-sexual and Toto has no dick. Though Salt is a chad, so there is that, but it's only one character.

>>153870905
How often do you see a show mix generic waifushit and generic Gendoshit together? That combination is hardly generic at all!

>>153870765
>But there are enough unresolved visual cues hinting at greater plot
I agree
>if you somehow disregard those cues it's only natural you fail to understand what the story is about
I don't think anyone was doing that, though. Just because the final few episodes changed pace and tone resulting in a soured viewing experience, doesn't mean those people weren't paying attention to the undertones.

>>153870957
>Toto has no dick
He was putty in Nyunyu's hands.
People don't give the twins enough credit for the nuance of their characters just because they're blank-faced all the time.

>>153862901
It was created to have both a surface level plot about two girls adventuring, growing up and growing closer but to also have a underlying themes, references and imagery. The intent was that the show be enjoyable for both people interested in the surface or underlying aspects but I think it works much better for those that connect with both aspects.

For example it amazes me how many English speaking people who casually watched the show thought the rabbit had a weird name even for anime but never looked into why that might be. And then remained perplexed about the concept of Pure Illusion even after the end of the series. The slightest effort to decode the messages the show is sending you breeds strong results in increased enjoyment but most people don't go into an anime expecting that and some of them felt frustrated that the show was not giving them any answers (even though it was). Anime usually doesn't ask its audience to engage in this way and so many weren't ready to.

>>153870850
I agree but I loved that aspect of /a/'s reaction to this series.

>>153870924
The darkness I referred to is very specifically about the censorship that happened during multiple versions of the same fairy tales and the reason behind it. Like in some early versions of Sleeping Beauty the princess was raped by the king/prince and gave birth to children and in some other versions the plot was "sanitized." The conception of this show literally started from the study of the censorship among versions of fairy tales.
If you want a child's show just watch a child's show but the criteria of a child's show are not the justified way to judge FLFL.
>There was already plenty of darker, deep undertones
And they are all connected to Mimi's arc.

>>153863784
So the right brain is the liberal side of you?

>>153871135
To be fair, a lot of the stuff that /a/ was calling Freudian IS Freudian.
It's also part of Jung's work, but in a lot of cases, Jung transplanted the symbols and archetypes almost unchanged into his broader framework of ideas. Things like the developmental implication of the symbol of the womb and unbirthing are straight Freud, and they're ideas that appear in Jung only because Jung was working from a position where those Freudian ideas were already taken for granted --since he was Freud's student, of course.

>>153870924
>the show drastically switches gears
Oh come on, one of the best things about this show was it's ability to switch gears almost every episode but still stay consistent with its themes and core narrative. This was not in any way lost in the shows climax.

>>153871086
Pretty spot on, the show requires the viewer to either have some prior knowledge of certain subjects, or do a cursory google search on the terms in order to grasp some of the most important concepts and plot elements of the show, but most anime fans (especially in the face of such a fun and colourful series on the surface) simply don't expect there to be anything deeper than what's on screen and refuse to do any of that research on their own, even if it takes no time at all to do so.

>>153869011
Don't use the word passion project. That's loser talk.

It had almost no plot.

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>>153870924
>the show drastically switches gears
You called?

>>153871306
>the show requires the viewer to either have some prior knowledge of certain subjects
Not really. What the show actually requires is analytical mind and interest in reading into metanarrative.

>>153871271
and tidbits like this is of course why I loved that aspect of the /a/nalysis. Flip flappers caused me to learn a lot of random things second hand.

>>153870949
There were still far more nips who watched and bought it than anons on /a/ and redditors on r/anime together.

>>153871374
As a postmodernist in the tradition of Jean-Francois Lyotard, I bear what one might call an "incredulity towards metanarratives" that became an obstacle to may ability to appreciate what Flip Flappers was doing. I believe it's puddle-wading 'depth' may simply have been beneath my intellectual level.

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>>153871271
There is no castration anxiety in the so-called unbirthing imagery. How do you fucking castrate a lesbo?
In any case the yonic imagery is a illustration of the positive and negative aspects of the Feminine.
Read: vagina dentata limited edition.

>>153871282
The first 9 episodes were cohesively under "what the fuck is going on" territory while the Mimi episodes are trying to wrap everything up and bring the darker, latent plot elements to the forefront of the narrative, resulting in a completely different feeling than the rest of the show.

>>153871507
>How do you fucking castrate a lesbo?
It's a common practice in the middle east. They "circumcise" the clitoris and most of the erogenous skin of that area.

Not literal castration is relevant anyways. Castration anxiety was a metaphorical castration that existed in the realm of the subconscious mental. It isn't about actual penises, but uses the penis as a representation of the way in which one mediates their engagement with the world.

>>153871596
You're not wrong that leaving casual viewers in confused state of imagination instead of forcibly bringing to their attention the core plot grounded in reality would give a better impression.
I often compare this show to Jinrui which was better received because Jinrui stayed to its episodic nature and never committed to any core plot thus resulting in an interesting anthology work instead of a coherent narrative.

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>mfw to dumb to talk about psychology with the rest of the fanbase

>>153871596
>"what the fuck is going on"
they really weren't, each one explained more about PI, reveal more about how it can be used and advanced the relationship between the main characters. The last episodes do the exact same thing.

>>153871720
I was talking about how utterly incapable Frued's work was in dealing female psychology. In his words the female were already castrated and left with the penis envy so there was no such thing as castration anxiety for female.

>>153871481
Well memed, sir.

>>153871797
How did a shitty falseflagging sales bait tread even turn into armchair philosophy talk.
Sasuga flipfags.

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Our glorious director

>>153872036
I want to protect him

>>153871850
Oh, well that's 100% true. It's part of the reason Freud is kinda bunk.

That doesn't mean the symbols can't still be applied to fictional female characters though, since a creator using Freud's ideas isn't necessarily beholden to their limitations. Freudian imagery in all-girls shows is hardly anything new, as pretty much every mahou shoujo is inundated with phallic symbols one way or another.

Either way the distinction is splitting hairs since we still credit Freud with the symbols that Jung borrowed from him, like the entire concept of the subconscious.

Had to many questions at the start and failed to explain most until episode 9 in which it rushed the whole Mimi ordeal. It overall just a mess.

Plus no other episode topped episode 3 so it was all down hill.

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>>153871797
Take this.

>>153872036
Is this a smile that must be protected?

>>153872200
>no other episode topped episode 3
If all you're looking for is bombastic, over-the-top action, then you're right because that was what episode 3 focused on.
The same can be said for most of the episodes in their area of focus.

>>153872239
I love seeing these. Is it usual for series to hand them out like Flip Flappers is doing?

>>153872328
No other episode topped it in anything

Pretty sure its weird and offputting artstyle combined with it being an original killed it. If you make an original anime, you have to make it immediately appealing to a potentional audience.

>>153872458
truly an auteur anime

>>153872396
Well duh, of course.

>>153872415
5 topped it in gay
7 topped it in # of Papikas
6 topped it in use of colour
4 topped it in gay
8 topped it in mecha
9 topped it in gay
10 topped it in drama
1 and 2 topped it chronologically
11 and 12 topped it in production issues
13 topped it in gay


Episode 3 had nothing good outside of the animation, sadly

>>153872415
I don't think it did horror better than ep5. I don't think it did interpersonal reflection or romance better than ep7. I don't think it was a better acid trip than ep2. I don't think it was more unapolagetically 80s mecha than ep8. etc etc

>>153872603
heh, nicely done. I agree with the sentiment though.

>>153862901
looked like non-sexy wacky girls going on wacky adventures, in other words petulant shonen shit without the shonens which makes it pointless.

>>153862901
I didn't watch it because of the art style looking too childish

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>>153872712
>non-sexy

>>153872814
That's an edit and 8 weeks in.

>>153872845
I was looking for the stitch of Cocona's full-frontal naked body from episode 4 but I can't find it in my folder.

Just clothes your eyes and imagine a slender JC bathing

>>153872845
Are you saying that the tail and ears look fake to you?

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>>153872871
I found it for you.

>>153872284
His health doesn't look very good. Wearing a mask means he has a cold. He has been wearing the mask since the end of the last episode.
Kojima didn't make it to the screening event because he got cold too.

>>153872929
Maybe he's still wearing the mask because nobody cared who he was before he put it on.

>>153872904
The nipples are totally real though.

>>153862901
It didn't.

>>153873015
Obviously, it was a passion project after all.
Oshiyama is passionate about naked females.

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>>153872912

Stupid sexy Cocona.

>>153873565
No, Oshiyama was passionate about twin tail loli in a thong.

>>153862901
I liked it less the more serious it tried to be.

>>153862984

This, plus they wanted an asinine price for the blu ray. I think it was either $600 or $800 in yen.

>>153873944
It's absolutely normal standard BD prices.
7k yen per bd for the ones with 2 episodes, 8.8k yen for the final one that has three episodes. Less for the DVD versions.
Like every other show in that season that offered both DVDs and BDs.

There are no excuses. It simply couldn't entice Japanese otaku into wanting to buy it at all.

>>153867500
>>153868821
This

>>153874156
The box set was more expensive than the average because of all the extras included, but that put people off.

If you're going to buy one volume, might as well buy them all. If you're going to buy them all, might as well buy the bundle. But why buy the bundle when it's not reasonably priced?

That's the thinking of a lot of potential buyers who liked the show, but just didn't love it enough to drop over 60k yen on it.

Anyone have the Yayaka the hedgehog image?

>>153862901
The story and main pair
I liked the world exploring

>>153862901
It just flip flopped. Simple as that.

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I love Yayaka.

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>>153878747
What a coincidence! I love YYK too!

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>>153878747
>>153878844
Everybody loves Yayaka!
No, seriously, wasn't she really liked by the nips a well?

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>>153879024
I'd love Yayaka's nips, if y'know what I mean

>>153862901
I can think of a number of reasons. One of the most glaring is that it was an anime-original series that, to make matters worse, had little-to-no advertising. It didn't even have much merchandise produced for it. There were no manga or LN adaptations to promote the series either. Another factor would probably be the art. Let's face it, it's not a typical artstyle and it's not exactly one that the Japanese would like. Finally, the plot and writing. It started slow, things weren't explained quickly enough, the series changed direction often, and finally: all-but-canon yuri, which doesn't exactly sell well there. Sakuga shows like FF just do not sell well in Japan often.

>>153879218
>all-but-canon yuri
>all-but-canon
wat?

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>>153864160
I agree

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>>153878844
>>153879024

Who doesn't have a soft spot for a cute antihero with a heart of gold?

Now that we've had some distance from the show, I really have to ask:
What purpose did concealing so much information from the viewer actually serve?

Some information, like the stuff directly covered by the flashbacks, are reasonable to keep secret, but even basic things like "why is Flip Flap collecting shards?" or "how many shards are there" were kept from the audience and for seemingly no good reason. They went ahead and just flat-out told us when the shards were all returned, so why not let us know beforehand how many there were?

>>153880276
Because sometimes, the stressful and chaotic environment of working on anime means that plans change, and there's nothing that can be done about it but work around it.

>>153880276
because seeing things and understanding them at about the level of Cocona is fairly integral to the way the show wants to express itself until her world comes crashing down around her. We are supposed to go on a journey mainly though her perspective after all.

The lack of direct info early on was also probably supposed to cue the audience into trying to look deeper into the meaning of things.

>>153879218
>all-but-canon

you are the worst kind of person

>>153881131
But why did that have to also include Salt telling her to fuck off when she asked how many shards were left? Why this whole elaborate song and dance lying about the shards being wish-granting (which was played with in episode 4 and then totally dropped) when they could have just said "to keep them out of reach of bad people in point hoods"

They missed out on valuable moments to deepen the characterization of Salt and his organization, which would have made his eventual backstory reveal more poignant.

I'm not criticizing, I just can't wrap my head around why they chose to do things that way.

>>153862901

It has barely any marketing, but I don't actually know people that watched this show and disliked it. With more marketing it would have been a commercial success.

There was some discomfort about the storytelling, but that's all. I personalyl loved it all except for the last two episodes lacking the style and grace of all the previous ones.

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I really enjoyed the first half of it, but once the Mimi shit happened I quickly started to hate it. I did complete it though, wish I didn't. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The OP and ED were incredible and I do like Cocona

>>153881827
I'm surprised there hasn't been a nude edit of this yet

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>>153880276
I tried to watch this show recently and quit at Episode 3 or 4.

I have no idea what the fuck is going on. There is some kind of organization(?) that collects shards(?) and their field agent is a fucking spaz who gets fixated on this other chick, who kind of hates her, but midway through episode 1 is just rolling with it, enjoying a winter wonderland, instead of freaking the fuck out. Then we are in some mad max fucking world and then there's magical girl shit.

I have no reason to care. What the fuck are the stakes? Why does the organization exist? Why do they need to do a thing? Why is it acceptable to go 3/4 episodes before explaining literally anything?

Am i suppose to care about their friendship? All this orange haired chick does is stalk her and take her to lsd hell. That's not friendship, its kidnapping.

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>>153882093
>Why is it acceptable to go 3/4 episodes before explaining literally anything?
They actually don't end up explaining anything until about episode 10, but if you haven't started piecing things together yourself by 3 than you're probably not going to enjoy the show overall.

>>153874156
Are Blu Ray sets really 700 dollars in Japan? Who the fuck would buy that.

>>153879404
>I agree
>shows a pretty popular yurishit

>>153881272
wish granting was probably the story Salt told Papika to keep her on task and was a half truth like Yayaka was told by Salt's father. Salt probably didn't know how many shards were left (he didn't have the KKK's medicine rod) but had to look stoic because he represented the hands off parenting that is Mimi's opposite in the same way Papika was Cocona's opposite. Also he probably couldn't risk getting close to his daughter without the KKK noticing (since they had her whole life as controlled as Mimi's was) for fear of them shutting him down. He was initially trying to use other girls as Papika's partner rather than Cocona after all.

Focusing on Salt too early would have taken the focus off of where the show needed it at the time as well.

>>153882949
>Nekopara: how to fuck cats
>kickstarter raised $100/person

>>153862901
>>153863009
>>153862984


They always live in Pure illusion, they dont care about the real world, getting boyfriends or just meet new people outside of "my crazy redhead".

it´s just for people that enjoy life with zero responsibilities, same that otakus

>>153883457
Where the fuck do neets get this money?

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Not enough Congolombians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPoRop19kBo

>>153862901
WHY did Flip Flappers Flopped?
Fix'd

>>153887055
They are not actually neets (sadly the same cant be said about flip flopper fans)

>>153887604
What job does someanithing work?

>>153887055
In Japan, "NEET" includes people employed in non-career work, like people working the service industry. If you live with your parents and work full time at a job paying somewhere nicely above min wage, you'll have a lot of disposable income to waste on your hobbies. This is especially true if you're a hopeless loser with no relationship prospects or plans for marriage in the future. Most of the ones stuck in those dead-end jobs never bothered with (or never got in to) university since the culture in Japan about postsecondary is very different from the west, so these are also young people with little to no real debt

And all of this goes double if you're a loser otaku than just so happens to have a salaried career position at a big company. You're earning enough to support a family of 5 and living alone in a 1-room apt, meaning 40k out of your 50k a year is pouring straight into your hobbies.

This is why mobage took off the way it did. There's so many of these single young people with almost no expenses making way more than they know what to do with, that they jump at the chance to literally throw money away on digital slot machines.

>>153887852
No, what you described is "freeter" not neet.

>>153888149
Their government classes freeters as NEETs, anon.

>>153888180
NEET is "Not in Education, Employment, or Training".
By having a job you are not a NEET.

>>153887560
Not enough fanservice.

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>>153882949

>>153888149
whatever it is that's what I am

>>153872239
Where do people get these? JP auctions?

>>153893302
Screening event special.

If Yayaka had won it would have sold 20k copies and got a recap movie.

>>153894779
It would have sold 20 copies more, upping the sales amount of volume 1 to 900, and that's it.
Together with 35 oversea disc imports, that would make it still less than 950.

>>153895054
Damn you sonzai x.

>>153862901
It won mine.
I think the team knew it wouldn't be that popular, so why it's a bit sad that they didn't make that much money with it, it still has potential to become an obscure classic with a small but dedicated fanbase (might be just me).

>>153865027
The first weeks were great though.
I think dscovering the early symbolism and blindly guessing the plot direction (suprisingly accurate sometimes) were a huge part why i love this show now.

>>153866288
I remember back when i was conviced the KKK would turn out to be the good guys or at least having an equally huge twist, since they were easily the most basic element of the show.
Or back when epsiode 5 aired and everyone thought that the "i'll never let go" thing from episode 4 was a clear death flag and Papika starting to bleed and collapse in the rain made my heart stop for a moment.
I probably like the show a lot for what i wanted to see rather then what it actually was, but this idea didn't came out of nowhere, at leats the first episodes were absolute top tier in general.

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>>153864160
Salt being there invalidates all yuri shit, even the lingerie episode.

>>153863279
it was no less stupider than eva

>>153896825
Oshiyama's not as mentally fucked up as Anno. The show has an inherent positive message. How do you make it mindblowing without killing off someone and turning it for the worse?

>>153896891
That's an ugly font.

>>153862901
Bland boring shit sempai, unless it's literally you 50th anime or something.

>>153896919
I expected that Salt truned delusional and was collectingshards to make a wish (getting Mimi back) even though it could destroy the world or something and the KKK threw them into their garbage removal pillar so he couldn't use them.
The "world domination" was actually about control PI so it doesn't do any harm.
After a big final battle with Salt Papika, Cocona and the KKK convince him that it's not worth it and he finds closure, no dead involved

Flip Flappers was at its best when it was going all out with the cool factor, on a TTGL level, like ep 3 and 8 and embracing all of the genres or tropes it was making use of, like episode 5 or 7.

The action, the sol and the girl bonding were all really good, animation and ost were great and voices were spectacular.

It was also at its best when it was focusing on the main girls and their psyche and their relationships, their themes and motivations and many layers.


And it was very good at leaving cool hooks and bait and switches and utilizing hype ad plot twists to tie one episode with another and make the next episode seem very exciting.

The symbolism and the mythology and jungian stuff is great as an underlying theme.
And the story wasn't bad.
But at times it was when the show came short.
And presenting a clearer premise earlier would have helped it stick with some people more.

Overall the plot twists and revelations of the first half were so fantastic and interesting that whatever they delivered in the end, that was also a letdown, not a big one because it was still all good and obviously the show as a whole has been so great and full good stuff that people still care about it.
But what I'm saying is that it didn't quite reach madoka levels which it could have if all the flaws I mention had been ironed out, because the good parts were already very very good.

I think the show was ultimately too conservative in its approach to the final arc and the final revelations, could have gone for something crazier. And it took too long to start delivering clear plot structure which put off many potential viewers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeFc9uVZfEc

>>153876436
Wish I had saved that.

>>153872603
2 was one of the best trippy anime episodes I've ever seen, that thing was just full on LSD in anime form.

5 was both top tier horror and top tier yuri, and yuri type s parody.
6 was top feels and drama touching stuff

>>153871023
I must rewatch their scene to see it.
Sounds cute.

>>153896940
I think anon is using MPC and that shitty player has problems displaying the correct sub fonts.

>>153896825
That would have been one crazy twist anon.
It wouldn't have been a good follow up to many of the show's themes, but it would have provided in the plot twist department.

>>153871086
So uh... Why did rabbit had such a weird name, and what is a pure illusion except for "we have no idea lol!"?

>>153898217
>spoonfeeding

>>153898217
>Why did rabbit had such a weird name
Why don't you google it?
>and what is a pure illusion
Why don't you watch the show?

>>153898252>>153898507
So you have no idea and are just shitposting huh. Not surprised one bit.

Is there anything less interesting, less appealing than a story revolving around 2 lesbians?
Who gives a flying fuck about lesbians?

It was good, but not that good.

Not even top 3 that season though.

Can't say I didn't enjoy it, but it felt more like a massively oversized exposition for doujinshi than a show that works on its own merits.

>>153898552
900 people in the entire world did. The rest of the 7-8 billion humans in the world didn't.

>>153872603
Ep 3 wasnt topped in action

>>153862901
I wasn't aware it existed until just now.

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>>153898683
Papika dies in episode 5.

>>153892996
What does she say?

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Maho Shoujo for adults was a mistake.

>>153898789
Actually, the thing about more brain activity being good has been proven false, because it simply means that the neural pathways are inefficiently connected.

But yes, mahou shoujo for adults really was a mistake, and those made for little kids are genuinely better.

>>153862901
It had good animation, but the direction and dialogue was stupid since the beginning.

That said, something being good never means it will sell well. Marketing and mass media appear are more important for that.

>>153898992
If it were good enough, it would have become popular on its own.

>>153896722
This.
I love the show to death, but the best part by far was participating in the threads during the first few episodes and trying to piece things together with everyone else.

I didn't like episode 2 on first watch, but then I checked the threads and they were talking about puberty and ovaries and blew my mind so hard I had to go back and rewatch the episode. Now that I have a better idea of what it was doing, it's one of my favourites.

>>153899066
Naw, good things typically go unnoticed during their own time and only get 'discovered' generations later.

In a century, they'll be teaching Flip Flappers in universities

>>153862984
Sadly this

Papika had cute feet

>>153862901
>WHY did Flip Flappers flop?

Here, fixed the thread title for you.
Also, this probably answers the question.
Better don't name your next show Flep Fluppers.

>>153862901
It does not have mass appeal.

Shows that are ""intelligent"" and successful are shows that can be enjoyed even if you don't "get" it.

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>>153900230
There is nothing wrong with Pat Puppers

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>>153862901
I'm living in Tokyo and I will translate 2ch's thread about Flip Flappers.

Anonymous 12/24/16 "That's boring anime I've ever seen before."
Anonymous 12/24/16 "I quit this shit at once. If someone keeps watching it, he or she must be Asperger."
Anonymous 12/24/16 "Who will buy this?"
Anonymous 12/24/16 "I knew that this anime was popular in 4chan, and I don't intend to agree with those gaijin retarded."
Anonymous 12/24/16 "Papica seems to be bitch, and I hate her."
Anonymous 12/24/16 "LOL "
Anonymous 12/24/16 "Gaijin don't buy blu-ray so Flip Flowers was fucked up.
Gaijin is not useful for the anime market. They never make anime like China. Sucks."

>>153900424
/a/ BTFO

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>>153900424
>Anonymous 12/24/16 "Papica seems to be bitch, and I hate her."
死ね

>>153900424
>I don't agree with those retarded gaijin.
>Gaijin are not useful for the anime market.
Kek'd. I true though.

>>153900424
>Gaijin is not useful for the anime market. They never make anime like China.
Gaijin made RWBY that you loved so much though and that's an anime.

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Is it really so easy to get (You)'s by making shit up?

>>153900604
You think it's made up? 10/10 bait if it is.

>>153900424
>Gaijin don't buy blu-ray so Flip Flowers was fucked up.

I doubt that. If the staff was even remotely competent, the streaming revenue should be more than enough to make up for a lack of sales. (Supposedly worldwide income through anime streaming matched the income through disc sales in Japan last year.)
The thing is: We have no idea how those contracts work. Was there ever a leak?

>>153900604
All art is "making shit up" by nature.
You should reward creativity and effort with recognition.

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>>153900642
We had the nips reaction in the flip flappers threads. They matched ours pretty much. A lot of Yayaka fans over there, if I remember correctly

>>153900424
I have nothing but disdain for those rice dicks, their opinions and thoughts are irrelevant. We are are superior and basically own their little island.

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>>153901028
>We are are superior and basically own their little island.
So why didn't we save Flip Flappers?

>>153901052
There is only like 300 of us.

>>153862901
It sold itself on traveling to marvelous worlds, new and different experiences, and different art styles and themes each episode. Going of the description and marketing, it sounded like the show was trying to be Miyazaki crossed with Gainax.

Instead, it turned out to be just highly generic yuri fanservice. Highly pandering yuri fanservice, at that. After an episode or two similar to the above promise, then just dropped everything interesting and only held up a thin attempt at presentation for anything else.

It looked like it was going to be good, but just turned into cheap fanservice instead.

The characters are too weak to carry a show with a shit plot.

>>153900424
They seem to really hate us

>>153900658
They fucking said they lost money on Flip Flappers at the event and that they even went over budget. Stop jerking off your retarded streaming fantasy. Late Night anime still rely on BDs and merch to make money.

>>153901700
>They fucking said they lost money on Flip Flappers at the event and that they even went over budget
Give me the source on that.

>>153901592
Well, y'know, two nukes and all.

>>153901727
Fucking go through the FF thread on that day retard I won't spoonfeed you.

>>153901807
What day?

>>153900318
The show had enough fun moments that worked by itself.
I guess light hearted magic adventure doesn't appeal to "deepfags" like, edgy stuff does.

>>153900642
It's probably quoted from a hate-thread, nips have em for just about every anime that airs each season. Again that's assuming it's not just bait.

>>153900424
Wow guess based on these 7 comments every single nip hates the show

>>153868828
>act as if Flip Flappers is the best thing since sliced bread
>Flip Flappers sells like absolute shit

You guys deserved all the shitposting this show got.

>>153903040
Well fans of an anime always think that the shit they watch is the best thing ever so it's not surprising.

>>153862901
The first episode was a real chore to get through and was hard to understand. I didn't care enough about the characters, the story, the animation, or the show enough to continue watching.

>>153903040
Sliced bread is overrated.

>>153903168
That is true, but FlipFlapperfags were really adamant about it. Especially, ranting and raving about the animation and even going to so far as calling it AOTY. This happened in a lot of threads.

I don't recall any other fans for a show being that aggressive about a show like that in a while.

>>153903364
>and even going to so far as calling it AOTY
It won /a/'s official and objective AOTY, so those anons weren't wrong.

>>153862901
It just wasn't a good show.

>>153903364
>and even going to so far as calling it AOTY
How dare they.

>>153903364
>I don't recall any other fans for a show being that aggressive about a show like that in a while.
You mustn't visit many threads for airing anime then.

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>>153903364
>stop enjoying your show because I don't like it

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the yuri meme is over

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>>153904057
>that big meaty taco

>flipflap soundtrack got meme DMCA'd off of jewtube

FUCK

>>153904057
Rare Hitomi

>>153904573
But why would you go to youtube for it?

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>>153872036

They even gave him genga, that's hilarious.

>>153904648
So i can link it to other people you FLACebo nigger

>>153872036
Post the poster.

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>>153904654
They should have given him this one

>>153904817
They don't hate him.

>>153904817
But that's an inbetween.

no source material = no hardcore fans = no sales
Also
>Studio 3Hz
Nips actually understand that this studio is so shit that it makes the plot seem deep while in actuality its just the studio consistently fucking up and making mistakes.

>>153905237
If Flip Flappers was a mistake then I think the industry can do to make a few more mistakes.

>>153905282
No more mistakes.

Series had great art and animation, and some fantastic ideas and execution. Psych 101 stuff is always fun to dabble it, as are references to various piece of art and literature. The issue is that while the "meat" of the plot and its resolution weren't bad, they weren't on par with nor did they mesh with the other stuff. The way Mimi was ultimately revealed and dealt with was just kind of boring. The organization having a more concrete roll and Cocona's rabbit hole being a bit deeper and scarier would have been nice, and should have started earlier on to justify the big focus on the Mimi stuff. The show was at its best during sakuga in episode 1, most of episode 2, all of 3, all of that fantastic horror sequence in 5, and then during the Iro switching segment, with the Tron-like world getting honorable mention. Mimi being "dude, Jeung, lmao!!" kind of killed the air of mystery, intrigue and suspense that the earlier parts did so well. It also would have been a lot better off without the yuribait. Baiting that hard usually doesn't end well for sales outside of some SoL comedy shows, and no one really gets that excited over it save the crazy yurifags that aren't in Japan. Most Japanese fans aren't that rabid or retarded about it.

>>153905471
Nice copypasta.

>>153900560
Wait, japan loves RWBY?
They really do have the worst tastes imaginable.

>>153905534
Nice and fresh, just for you.

>>153901052
Because $700 for Blu-Rays in a language I don't speak or understand is too high a price.

>>153905703
pleb

>>153905667
It had a dub with Sayori Hayami as the MC. Go figure.

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>>153905703
Wow get a job, rob a bank or gamble or something. $700 is the minimum you should be spending on Flip Flappers, no excuses.

>>153905703

Don't worry, Sentai is dubbing it for sure EOP pleb.

>>153906031
indeed

I think it's safe to say that Flip Flapper was simply too deep for the average brain dead anime viewer.

Japan doesn't watch anime to be stimulated mentally, they watch anime, as has been shown time and time again, to escape from their boring and shitty monotonous lives. They do not want to be forced to think about anything besides breasts and vaginas, and they don't care about anything besides pure, heterosexual girls. They don't want to contemplate deeper meanings on their commute to work, and after a 12+ hour day at the office they don't want to unwind with a thrilling and imaginative take on social and psychological theories from the early 20th century.

Japanese anime fans are nothing besides sponges for the anime studios to pump full of brainless drama, tasteless action, and thoughtless plot points. They do not want to think, or to even be forced to form their own opinions on anything. They want a nice, simple idea delivered to them which is cleanly divided into parts and requires no contemplation of the message, characters, or motivations.

Every once in awhile, a studio will attempt to break this mould, as the writers and animators grow weary of delivering the same rehashed garbage to their consumer base, and every time they try to deliver anything deeper than a puddle the fans reject it. Generally this leads to animators and artists and writers getting fed up with the whole system and they quit. New people come into the studios, work for a decade or so, then try the same thing. They too receive no recognition or praise for their work, and instead receive death threats and hate mail from their fans who clearly express they do not want to be forced to think about what they're watching. The anime industry is set in a rut and held their by it's infantile and regressive fans. If you get sick of it you're better off quitting and working in another media because it hasn't changed in the last 50 years and won't change in the next 50 years.

>>153907066
wow nice wall

>>153907066
>was simply too deep for the average brain dead anime viewer
Stopped reading there. Fuck off.

>>153907066
>I think it's safe to say that Flip Flapper was simply too deep for the average brain dead anime viewer.
Get over yourself.

>>153907161
You first.

>>153907066
Don't be so irritated because your pretentious piece of shit show didn't sell and was forgotten the moment it ended.
Only insecure autists will keep making threads about this because no one gave a shit about this show and it offended their manchildren pride

>>153907349
What are you doing here then?

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>>153907066
>Flip Flappers should have sold! It just isn't fair! The average anime viewer is a stupid dumb idiot and I am the only one who can understand such a masterpiece!

>>153907565
That is FSN.

>>153907565
Ironically, practically no one on /a/ or reddit bought the anime.
After all, in the end, it's still nothing more but a bunch of animated doodling. And one can always excuse oneself by claiming that one will buy it at some point later.
>but when I win the lottery and become a multi-trillionaire, I will totally buy the anime discs for it, I swear on meh mum

>>153907066
>think it's safe to say that Flip Flapper was simply too deep for the average brain dead anime viewer.
It saddens me to know I share this board with people like you

>>153907955
yeah

>>153907066
I liked Flip Flappers and think it should have sold more, but you're still a tremendous faggot.

>>153907832
I'm gonna buy it when it's released at a reasonable price and with subtitles in a language I speak/understand.
There was also talk of a production company making some figures for the series, if that comes to fruition I will absolutely buy Cocona and Papika henshin figures.

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>>153907066
>I think it's safe to say that Flip Flapper was simply too deep for the average brain dead anime viewer.
Literally.

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A special screening event of flip flappers ended yesterday.
Very much fans gathered.
They exchanged 300 genga.

The same reason Kaiba, Uchouten Kazoku, Aku no Hana, Yuri Kuma Arashi, Shinsekai Yori, Kyousogiga, Texhnolyze, Space Dandy, Paranoia Agent and the list goes on flopped

>>153907066
>Flip Flapper was simply too deep for the average brain dead anime viewer.
And for everyone else as well it seems, since no one seems to grasp it was so deep.

>>153908087
I would commit criminal activities to get a hold of those.

>>153908029
How many did you buy?

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>>153908087

>>153908272
trash thrown on the ground

>>153908346
That's a tile table actually.

>>153908266
I bought the OST, does that count?

>another Flip Flap general
>is 95% shitposting
I'm shocked.

>>153908419
I don't believe your lies.

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>>153908266
I go to a special screening event and have got genga.

>>153908559
And now you will burn them so that nobody can ever have them.

>>153908523
Let's make it 98%.

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>>153908419
You're only embarrassing yourself.

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Flip flappers is very popular in Japan.
A special screening event was full every day.

>>153908903
One theater one day?

>>153862901
I stopped caring once shit started getting explained and all the magic disappeared becoming yet another dumb anime plot.

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>>153908903
It still sold a fractale, are intelligent people with good taste this poor?

>>153908966
You cared in the first place?

>>153908903
>Flip flappers is very popular in Japan
>I swear guise!1

>>153909027
let's just ignore the liars

I just don't like the art. Doesn't really mesh with me

>>153909159
Same.

>>153908964
Yes.