ITT : Tsunderes done right

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>>153825876
Pic unrelated.

200+ replies shit thread incoming.

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>>153826035
No, THK.

>>153825876
Stella a shit. A SHIT.

>>153825876
Are you kidding, she was less tsundere and more extremely horny, it didn't take very long for her to want MC to mating press her

>a tsundere is done right she goes from bitch to full dere in two episodes flat
no

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>Stella Sue
You know where it goes.

>>153826239
>paranoia
Don't you start, THK.

>>153826160
Out of curiosity: Is there any tsundere you consider bad other than Stella (which is obviously something you mainly say because you're triggered that people who don't like most tsunderes like her)?

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>>153825876
Pic unrelated. Stella is a terrible tsundere. At least start the thread with Kurisu.

>>153826415
>Implying I dislike Stella
Nope.

>Stella is bad

What is so bad about her?, she gives love to his bf and doesn't want to punch him at all hours

Does /a/ like to be bullied by girls?.

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>>153826121

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My favorite tsundere!

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>>153825990
First post best post

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>>153825876
manga was so much better. Anime of rakudai was pure shit

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>>153826690
>Bipolar
>Good

>>153826572
She's not a real proper tsundere of any kind. It's more accurate to call her a deredere moeblob than tsundere.

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>>153826160
My wife Emi is very relevant.

>>153826121
neo tsu is literally how it's suppose to be you, homos

>>153827304
Said no one ever.

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inb4 you-know-who.

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>>153827483
>ESL-kun
I wonder who's worse between you and THK.

>>153825876

Reminder that she Slutella goes full cock crazy after having his D just once

That one word made his heart jump and his face flush. The expression of special love that Stella spoke of. The moment he heard that, any sleepiness was blown away and Ikki remembered it. Everything that happened here last night.

(I-I see, of course my body would feel heavy….). He understood everything now, and looked over at the plastic debris. (I can’t believe we actually used them all..!) (Referring to the 10 condoms she brought)

He wondered what had happened to their fear and nervousness from before. It all happened after the first one was over – Stella was strangely turned on. Once she was in a mount position, it went out of control. Well, one way or the other he also felt ecstatic so it seemed Stella wasn’t the only one turned on. ….Even so, there should have been a limit. He never thought of cursing his self-control that had kept going since the school opening ceremony. Since it was this excessive, he wouldn’t be able to move normally the next day.

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>>153827689

> It all happened after the first one was over – Stella was strangely turned on. Once she was in a mount position, it went out of control

>>153827304
New age neo goes against what it means to be tsundere. Classic is always best and proper. Even modern is better and more entertaining.

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Probably the most perfect tsundere I've seen.

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You need to be a lot back in time OP.
Once the label "tsundere" has become popular this archetype became the shittiest shit.
The only good tsundere are those the author him/herself didn't know they were tsundere.

>>153827860
I like her but she's just a bitch

>>153827934
What tsundere isn't?

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>>153825876
>a thread designed to bait THK and ESL-kun

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>>153827176

Unpopular opinion, I know. But she looks so much better without the twintails.

Do the Japanese really still find the whole tsundere with twintails thing clever?

"See, she has two tails, just like the two sides of her personality." Maybe that was clever once, 20+ years ago, I can't rightly say since it's always been that way since I've been watching anime.

I think it's just uninspired, and is part of what stagnates the archetype.

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>>153828921
It's a popular and working design that fits them due to the childish imagery and vibe. It's similar to how zettai ryouiki fits them to a tee due to the symbolism involved between guarded nature and inviting contrast.

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>>153828906
ESL-kun can't stop the truth.

>>153827893
Characters do tend to be better when written as characters instead of archetypes.

What kind of tsundere is ESL-kun?

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Best Tsundere since ever

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>>153829151

I think ZR is just a coincidence though, I mean, ZR is never a bad character design choice. It's sexy, yet cute.

>>153825876
>done right

Is this bait? Stella was all over the MC dick by the end of the first episode.

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>>153829499
>What kind of tsundere is ESL-kun?
100% tsun, 0% dere.

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I love neo-tsundere

The leap from hatred to burning love is beautiful

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Ok, so I'm just going to ask. I'm not hating or anything, but what makes Lisha so special? Watched that series about a month ago, partly because of how much praise she gets, and she seemed like your standard, run of the mill tsundere to me. Not bad, not great. Did I miss something?

>>153830044

The tattoo pointing at her vagina

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>>153830044
This thing that pisses me off the most.

They sell her as a "virgin". She was kidnapped, branded with a tatto like this... You expect me to believe she is pure?

I love the tatto though.

>>153825876
Nice oxymoron

>>153825876
Why does /a/ like this archetype anyway? Is it because they wanna believe that the girl they had a crush on so many years ago actually loved them?

>>153830309
Wrong archetype

Tsundere isn't about the cunt secretly loving you

It's about the consistently antagonistic bully girl secretly loving you

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>>153830309


N-No...

It's not like that. More like a desire for conflict with the person you love.
Feeling love and hate for something is everyone's life experience.

Binded with this experience, we yearn the same for us. Desire for someone that feels love/hate for you.

"I hate you... I hate you so much, that I love you"

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>>153830309
Girls warming up to you from hostile/disgust, but can't spit it out due to embarrassment or conflicting feelings are just cute.

>>153830044
Wish there were less threads for this shitty series and more for interesting ones like Machine Doll

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>>153830309
That feel when your waifu is tsundere so she hits you and calls you an idiot. But, she isn't strong enough to physically harm you and you think it's cute so you kiss her to make her stop. She blushes, obviously swayed by your sudden sign of affection amidst her battering of your body and after a few mere seconds she kisses you back in return. You remain like this for at least 10 seconds uninterrupted and then you slowly pull away from each other. She stares into your eyes, and you are already doing the same with a horribly goofy smile that sends her heart pounding at a much faster rate than normal. Her face goes cherry red once again, and she punches you to cover up her embarrassment. She calls you an idiot afterwards. You only stare at her for a few seconds, saying nothing. She asks you why you're staring, acting as though she doesn't care. Again with your goofy smile you just laugh at how horribly cute she is while flustered. And she starts to hit you and call you an idiot again.

>>153830309
Stockholm syndrome from being constantly being bombarded with the exact same shitty girl all the time since Love Hina.

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>>153826035

Yui as a tsundere is bland as fuck, it's Yabuki's artwork that makes her standout.

>>153825876
Stella a slut, A SLUUT!.

>>153830836
I wish other tsunderes fantasized about being pregnant and envisioning life as a housewife with kids.

>>153828906
THK is the one who made this thread. Anyways, any topic with x done right is guaranteed bait. A non-bait thread for this would instead be post tsunderes you like or your favorite to prompt civil discussions.

>>153830836
Personality-wise, Yui honestly is very bland and boring. With Yami and Nana there, Yui becomes redundant.

>>153830309
Its the belief you can change someone, make them better.

>>153830896
>any criticism of any tsundere is bait and THK

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>>153830309
If you can't figure it out for yourself, much less see the moe that exists, then I'm afraid you'll never understand it. For that, you have my sincere pity.

>>153825876

What makes a good tsundere? Not being physically abusive is a given but what else?

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>>153831184
Wrong. Also, pic related.

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Obligatory.

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>>153829756
Remind me again how many chapters and how many real life years 'Ah My Goddess' did a "Will they? Won't They?"
You people have Stockholm syndrome and mass denial if you think rational humans want to invest in something that long just to see their main hero and heroine kiss.
>>153825876
The only problem with Stella is They never show her fucking country she's from. Fucking world build already I want to know what her country is like

>>15383118
Abuse doesn't matter, plenty good tsunderes have have abusive traits.
What matters most is being genuinely cute, lovable, and some level of chemistry with the target of affection.

>>153831507
Meant for >>153831184

>>153831184
A simple list of questions to consider when assessing a tsundere:

Does the person they're tsun towards actively do things to deserve it like taunting or purposefully groping her?
Does the cast acknowledge that she has temper problems and that they're an actual issue?
Does her personality ever earn her the ire of someone who's not eventually portrayed as being a bad person or in the wrong?
Is her hitting the one she likes an uncommon or nonexistent occurence?
If not, can she fight back against villains as well without needing the MC to save her?
Can she thank and apologize to others honestly?
Does her dere consist of more than the usual stock phrases and clichés?
Is there no other girl in the series who seems to be more closely connected to the MC (such as childhood friends, girls who have devoted their life to him, girls who have nothing but him to depend on, etc) than the tsundere?

For each Yes, the tsundere becomes better. For each No, she becomes worse and more generic.

>>153831365
The only problem with Stella is that she is an outright bland Mary Sue character who gets her pussy licked for the entirety of Shitkudai.

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>>153831184
Being Kirino.

>>153831507
>Abuse doesn't matter, plenty good tsunderes have have abusive traits.
Bull fucking shit.
Physically abusive tsuns are the worst thing you can do from a literary standpoint. First off your alienating people who aren't masochists from liking your character.
Second you're going to either have her be tsun forever and it still not wear off until the last arc, or she goes from being violent to dere in a 12 episode cour which is unbelievable unless it's just those two characters being focused.
Tsuns from a literary standpoint exist only to drag something out, not to actually be good well done characters.

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>>153831692
THK pls.

>>153831621
Yes she's nothing like say Kirino who is a may sue who gets her pussy licked by everyone and everything so we the audience go 'man she sure is great'.
Two different things entirely

>>153831739
Thanks for posting the worst thing about the show.

>>153831692
Retarded and biased as hell much? The point of literary standpoint is to not project and make things personal. How do you figure people can enjoy byronic hero, anti-heroes, or villains from a literary standpoint?

>>153831795
Thanks for confirming it's you and how terrible your unpopular taste is.

>>153831753
>>153831851
>people bring up objective writing issues that are prevalent when it comes to tsunderes
>call them THK and biased
Seems the ones making things personal are the tsundere apologists.

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>>153831692
Geez. You're going to rupture a blood vessel if you try any harder.

>>153832002
No actual argument? I'll take it you conceded.

>>153832002
>THK being ironic and rekt'd
Hahaha.

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>>153825876

>>153832098
It's literally you who made things personal because you didn't have an actual argument, though. Having to resort to comparing tsunderes to villains is pretty much the same as conceding, considering that they're supposed to be heroines.

>>153832228
Nope. It's clear as day you are upset and have zero objectiveness. You don't see both sides, and even less keep an open-mind.

My comparisons were all completely valid. You completely threw "abuse" onto one side of the scale and liken it to be inherently bad, therefore people can't possible like them or appreciate then on good characters. But it's a simple fact characters who are byronic heroes, anti-heroes, or villains can be good and very much appreciate despite the fact they have flaws or negative traits.

>>153831184
>>153831692
>>153832002
>objective
Do you even know what that word means? Protop: subjective and personal feelings/opinions shouldn't exist along side objective statements. Saying x is a bitch is objective. Saying x is bad because bitch is not objective. The more you know.

By the way, you are a faggot.

>>153832395
>Nope.
>proceeds to do exactly that

And once again, if you have to compare the appeal of heroines to the appeal of villains, it's your loss right there. It's like saying you love seeing the villains win and not being able to accept that most people aren't fond of stories like that. You're literally being edgy.

The actual autism in these threads is always incredible. Fuck all of you for ruining the once good tsundere threads.

>>153832521
Play it your way. How am I being biased and personal? Do tell.

Let's draw attention to the fact you are nitpicking and being selective of villains and not including byronic heroes and anti-heroes that were compared with. That shows a flaw in your argument since you can't apply the same logic. Fact is, there's nothing wrong with liking villains. Sometimes villains are better or more interesting characters, so it's not strange at all people root for them.

>>153832592
>THK's thread
It was doomed from the start.

>>153832480
Pretty sure the "objective" part there was about how abusive tsunderes tend to have a fucked up pace of character development.
>Saying x is bad because bitch is not objective.
It's bad if they're supposed to be a heroine. You know, a good guy/girl. The anti-hero comparison >>153832395 made is interesting, but even anti-heroes need a setting that they fit into, or you get ridiculous crap like Shadow the Hedgehog. In the same way, tsunderes need a cast that they can bounce off properly to be good, or they'll just come off as being annoying violent characters that constantly cause trouble.

For example, even though Akane and Kagome are violent tsunderes who are often compared to eachother, Akane is a far better character because Ranma is just as much of a jerk in return, and the other characters don't hesitate to point out and mock Akane's flaws, unlike in Inuyasha where Inuyasha is literally dogged, and Kagome gets whiteknighted by the entire cast except Kikyo who's treated like a villain and nuisance for it.

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>>153832892
>It's bad if they're supposed to be a heroine. You know, a good guy/girl.
Dumbest thing I've read all day.

>>153826121
So if a character acts kinda mean in the first episode or so, she's branded a tsundere and judged entirely by how she stacks up to the archetype? Doesn't seem fair.

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>>153825876

>>153832592
That's what a dedicated shitposter is able of, all I wonder is, where are mods? Aren't mods suppose to, you know, moderate? There is a point where a shitposte become into a mindless spam, and nowadays that transition occurs more fast than ever.

>>153832965
This makes me think, if any character ever acts angry for whatever reason ,it's labeled as tsundere? Is Goku a tsundere? I mean, he got all angry after Freezer killed Krillin.

>>153832892
Being a heroine doesn't translate to automatic goody-two shoes saint characters who wouldn't even harm a bug. Seriously, are you retarded? That's entirely your opinion, as poor, weak, and flawed as it is.

You are even contradicting yourself and backpedaling by recognizing Akane.

>>153832711
>How am I being biased and personal? Do tell.
>Retarded (...) much?
>It's clear as day you are upset
As for the anti-heroes, see >>153832892. Anti-heroes are all fine and well in small doses and appropriate settings, but too much of it, and it's just senseless edginess. Tsundere is good when done right for sure, but they can't be thoughtlessly slapped onto just any work.

>>153833110
>opinion
Nah. He's straight up wrong. Factually wrong that is. That's not the definition of heroine at all.

>>153833139
Yes, you were being a retard with transparent biased. And? That's an observation of your personal opinion and literal biased. You should try again.

See >>153833110. In small doses and appropriate setting? That's just your opinion
>edginess
A buzzword that carries virtually no meaning other than things I don't like.
>when done right
As stated, a complete backpedal from your original claim.

>>153833216
Touche.

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>>153831795
>Tfw reading the LN and she is still fucking shit after 16 volumes

>>153833110
Well, yes, Akane is the typical horrid tsundere when viewed in a vacuum. It's offset by Ranma's personality clashing with hers and the crazy fighting-focused setting, though, making it understandable in context. The issue pretty much boils down to people carbon copying Akane and placing her in any imaginable setting without any thought for character chemistry. If the other members of the main cast are a bunch of peaceful milquetoasts, outbursts of violence simply don't belong there.

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Does Haruhi even count as a tsundere?

>>153833485
Yes. She's great.

>>153833485
Where the fuck is the dere? No.

>>153833092
It has to be in the first few episodes: first impressions and all.

>>153833424
Whether it's deliberate ignorance or not, you don't seem to realize how you screwed you are at this point doing damage control and pretending you didn't backpedal. And still, everything you're saying now is an opinion, a rather minority one at that given the numbers of tsunderes who are popular/liked who goes against your belief of what's good. Furthermore, You can't claim for objective and literary reasons just because you think "heroines" are supposed to be good in the literal saint Mother Teresa sense. That's literally not how it works.

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>>153833546

>>153833557
>>153833829
>ESL-kun is back from ban evasion

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>>153833485
Yeah.

>>153833546
Watch the movie.

>>153833699
But Goku started as a fucking angry monkey destroying everyting, so he is a tsundere after all?

>>153833373
>That's just your opinion
Violent tsunderes being good happens to be "just your opinion" too. And I'd say it's a given that characters should be in appropriate settings.
>A buzzword that carries virtually no meaning other than things I don't like.
Actually, in this case, it carries the literal and originally intended meaning: Not knowing any restraint when it comes to anti-heroism.
>As stated, a complete backpedal from your original claim.
No, because my claim is that violent tsunderes are awful outside of settings where the others engage in similarly outrageous behavior too. Although I didn't post >>153831692, his point does still stand even with that in account, as Ranma is infamous for just going on and on with the will-they-or-wont-they without any proper resolution.

>>153833754
Things aren't that way just because you say they are, you know.

All Tsunderes are good Tsunderes. Stop Tsundere shamimg!!!

>>153833934
>>153834012
Difference is mine is supported and could be argued for, unlike yours that spoke in absolute and was contingent on literary standpoint like you claimed earlier. Even without an argument, you were already wrong for utterly asinine.

>Not knowing any restraint when it comes to anti-heroism.
Except being an anti-hero and "edgy" can be mutually exclusive. But anyone can tack on edgy for the sake of flaming without real meaning.

>Although I didn't post >>153831692
So to avoid backpedal and damage control, you're going to now say you weren't that person all along. Really now?
>awful outside of settings where the others engage in similarly outrageous behavior too
Your claim now, and it's so ill-supported considering your entire reasoning hinges on the belief they're supposed to be good guys in the literal sense.

>because you say they are, you know.
I speak simple truths. You are holding onto vapid delusions.

>>153827895
The best

>>153833920
That's not even the same person.

>>153834456
>mine is supported and could be argued for
No. You're literally just going "y-you're biased!" and telling us you're an edgelord who roots for villains.
>yours that spoke in absolute and was contingent on literary standpoint
Exactly. It's objective criticism. Trying to deny it just shows your sheer fanboyism.
>Except being an anti-hero and "edgy" can be mutually exclusive.
An anti-hero done wrong is literally the definition of edgy.
>you're going to now say you weren't that person all along. Really now?
Ah, the typical "everyone who criticizes tsunderes is the same person!" argument. Why have tsunderefags become such a parody of themselves?
>it's so ill-supported considering your entire reasoning hinges on the belief they're supposed to be good guys in the literal sense.
That's literally the definition of a hero/heroine. Protagonists behaving negatively certainly isn't bad in itself, but the major issue is that so many series disregard actually addressing the bad behavior and even reward the tsunderes for it. If there's no retribution for the poor behavior of a character who's presented as a protagonist, they're nothing but a Mary Sue.

>I speak simple truths. You are holding onto vapid delusions.
No. You're >implying things about people who disagree with you and engaging in history revisionism because you're an obsessed tsundere fanboy. That's all there is to it.

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>>153835849
Woah you are really going full autism now.

>>153826484
One of only a few rare examples of a true 10/10.

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>>153827860
what anime?

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>>153835946
Such an eloquent rebuttal.

>>153836262
That wasn't even me, and besides there's no way i'm reading that wall of text about why he's wrong.

>>153830836
Please, she is one of few tsundere that has development.

>ctrl + f
>"no such thing"
>0 results

I'm disappointed in you, /a/.

>>153835849
So suddenly being able to like villains equals edgelord. You've completely lost. That's seriously the best sound argument you could come up with to defend your biased stance?
>objective criticism
Explain how in the world it's bad because they're supposed to be the good guys objective criticisms that relates to supporting the claim as a matter of fact?
>An anti-hero done wrong is literally the definition of edgy.
Or not since mutually exclusive is possible. We can have a ton of anti-hero presence, even to the point where they are the main character. Doesn't mean they are too edgy.
> is the same person!" argument
You made no attempt to differentiate yourself and sound exactly the sound throughout your arguments. It's like if I said I wasn't the person you first argued all of a sudden up until now. Expecting anyone to believe that at this point is laughable.
>That's literally the definition of a hero/heroine
No, it's not. A character like Taiga completely and utterly destroys that illogical nonsense you claim.
>disregard actually addressing the bad behavior and even reward the tsunderes for it.
And here's is your underlying biased and personal problem showing itself. You are projecting and think in black and white, like you've been doing since the start and which the comparison with anti-heroes, villains, and byronic heroes refuted your original point. If the characters don't have a problem or see it as a problem, then neither should you take offense. Much of the abuse trope is not serious and comedy, so all the more reason not to. If the setting, like you argued either, matches and is appropriate, then even more so it's perfectly fine. And then there's the matter it's necessary and needed to show progression or change in affection, which you entirely disregard.

For all your point, you might as well throw a character like Lina Inverse under the bus because of your nonsense since she's not a "good guy" and is rewarded for her behavior.

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>>153825876
Stella is awful as far as tsundere goes. Julis, on the other hand, is a very decent one.

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Some Asuka for me please.

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Best girl and awesome bro tsundere. Pig should have been the main girl.

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I'll take my waifu everytime. Good to hear the novels are finally concluded.

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>ESL-kun is banned
>THK still stays
Should have nuked both of them.

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>>153825876

>>153826121
Erina and Stella are pretty much the same though. As soon as they found out who the MC was or how strong he was, they fell for him. It just so happened that Stella found out immediately and Erina didn't and was Queen Bitch for longer.

>>153837858
literally the shittiest character ever made

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>>153838128
>Erina and Stella are pretty much the same though
What the fuck am I reading?

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>>153838171
Manami please go.

>>153825876
The only way to do tsunderes right is to not put them in the show in the first place.

>>153838203
It's true.

Erina found out that Souma-Dad was her Chef-God and fell for Souma within a chapter or two.

Stella did the same. She got wrecked by MC and fell for him as soon as she woke up.

>>153836159
Kore wa zombie desu ka?

>>153825990
too bad the show wasn't done right.

>>153838408
The upcoming season 3 will fix that.

>>153838315
This.

>>153838316
Erina isn't deredere yet, she only started a bit of ago while ago. And the reason for that isn't solely because she found out who Souma's dad was. Souma stepped up and faced Erina's father and that was the start that gave her a better opinion of him. Souma still has to work to earn Erina's full acknowledgement and their battle will be one of the final climax.

Stella is not a tsundere at all. She has no tsun and did a one-night thing after she got beaten.

>>153838496
of a while ago*

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>>153838408
S1 was decent if you don't compare it to the LN. S2 had problems as sequel to S1 and comparison to the LN though.

>>153838496
The only reason why Erina isn't at the same point as Stella is because Erina and Souma haven't had their final battle. That and Erina has some fucking decency unlike Queen Slut Stella.

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>>153838316
The point of Erina was that she had feelings for Souma but didn't want to acknowledge them and instead hid it behind her haughty stuck-up demeanor. Notice how she coolly looks down on everyone EXCEPT Souma who she gets infuriated at the thought of. There's passion there but misguided. After her whole perception changing arc there she comes to realize that high-class isn't all there is to delicious food and accepts Souma plus the fact that he sticks up to her dad who was the ultimate authority in her life.

She's the ideal tsundere.

>>153838780
No. Erina is an actual tsundere, a classic one. She treats Souma differently despite how she appears, and it's obvious she doesn't hate him. But she has pride and can't be honest with herself. But that doesn't mean she is deredere yet. She softens up and has shown a cute/loving side throughout the story, sometimes as a result of Souma's actions in some form or a simple contrasts that shows another side to her when she's alone that's a contrasts from her usual bitchy demeanor.

>>153825876
I don't care if she's tsun or not but it was fucking refreshing to have a haremowner have sex

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>>153838794
well said anon

>>153838457
Too soon

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Can't have a tsundere thread without Asuka Chan.

>Stella
>Agreed to enter in a BDSM relationship from day one
Is she the biggest slut in a non-H anime? I don't remember any girl in any other anime going this route that fast.

>>153826121
>Pinnacle of tsundere
Top tier. The problem with tsunderes overall is how easy bitches they are. If you have time to make tsun turn into dere in a single cour you are going too fast

>>153825876
whole
box
condoms

>>153841222
I guess, in order to appreciate the good we must also look at the bad.

>>153841222
Is Asuka tsundere or just a mean person with psychological problems?

>>153825876
So, people still hate Stella?

>>153843583
A vocal minority, I suspect.

>>153829974

why do i care so much about the relationship of cartoon characters?

>>153843583
And why should people stop? She's a poorly written character and tsundere done wrong. Her design is nothing special so even that can't be a saving grace.

>>153843583
Well she still is a blatant mary sue.
>>153843656
>This isn't AS
Didn't they just re-open the containment thread again for you faggots?

>>153843781
>Didn't they just re-open the containment thread again for you faggots?
>wahhh

>>153843735
Believe me, she only get's worse after what the anime covered...

>>153825876
Pic unrelated?

>>153845136
>no new IP
You're really upset about people preferring Stella to generic violent tsunderes, aren't you?

>>153845256
>preferring stella to generic...
Not him but you say that like stella is breaking new ground when she's not. And that's the problem with rakudai in a nutshell.

>>153843656
>>153845136
>>153845256
Obvious same butthurt much?

>>153845256
Different anon, but why would he even care or be upset at a vocal minority liking a bad tsundere?

>>153845387
Pretty sure you're quoting three different posters there. We can all tell who you are, though.

>>153845455
You wish. It's actually we who can tell who you are.

>>153845256
>still insisting Stella is a good tsundere
She's not even a tsundere, faggot.

>>153845455
>three different posters
Or a reply to another reply.

>>153845489
Pretty sure one of the people you quoted even agreed with you, so your samefag detector is hardly accurate.

>>153845617
Because you never false flagged before to imply that anon is samefagging. You are so obvious.

>>153825876
Like a hard right off a cliff sort of right?

>>153845672
Making accusations about others because you made an obvious mistake is pretty unsightly, you know.

>>153845756
Feigning ignorance when you are painfully obvious is almost pitiful.

>153836444
>So suddenly being able to like villains equals edgelord.
If you're constantly rooting for them, then yes, that would make you one.
>You've completely lost.
You can scream that until you're blue, but it still won't be true.
>Explain how in the world it's bad because they're supposed to be the good guys objective criticisms that relates to supporting the claim as a matter of fact?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
>You made no attempt to differentiate yourself
Until it became relevant.
>A character like Taiga destroys that illogical nonsense you claim.
You mean a generic violent tsundere? Pretty sure she supports my argument.
>which the comparison with anti-heroes, villains, and byronic heroes refuted your original point
Nice try, but it didn't, unless you're saying tsunderes are anti-heroines, which brings us back to how the overuse of them defeats the entire point. Anti-heroes are interesting because they're a fresh breath of air compared to regular heroes. Tsunderes haven't been fresh for decades now.
>If the characters don't have a problem or see it as a problem, then neither should you take offense.
Literally the other way around. If an apparent character flaw is completely ignored, it's just plain old bad characterization.
>If the setting, like you argued either, matches and is appropriate, then even more so it's perfectly fine.
Yes, a matching setting is definitely a mitigating factor. In many cases, however, it isn't matching.
>there's the matter it's necessary and needed to show progression or change in affection, which you entirely disregard.
The existence of characters who aren't tsundere shows pretty well that tsun is wholly unnecessary, though.
>you might as well throw a character like Lina Inverse under the bus
Pretty sure she's commonly the butt of the jokes and has her flaws acknowledged often. When it comes to bad tsunderes, that's not the case.

TLK BTFO.