which one is shittier?

>>153815063
Kazuma is a pretty good MC desu

Kazuma just wants peace.

>reddit zero
no thanks

>>153815063
Kuzuma is scummier
REddit:zero is utter garbage

Kazuma is superior. Loads of dosh and no ones bitch.

>>153815063
Kuzuma

trigger warning: this spoiler contains absolute facts
do not read if your opinions contradict the Truth
kuzuma > mitsubishi

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>>153815063
This not even a competition.

>>153815063
Kazuma can at least read the mood and respond appropriately. The other one on the other hand is pretty autistic and doesn't understand social cues.

>>153815063

You

>>153815063

Well, let's compare both of their runs as butlers

>Toyota
>Girl she serves is apparently being courted by a gallant knight
>Sneaks into a meeting of the most important people in the country and shit talks them to look impressive in front of his lady, but only embarrasses makes her cry
>Proceeds to get beaten up by the knight
>After waking up, he has an autistic screeching fit in front of his lady until she just leaves without him.

>Kazutrash
>Girl she serves is getting a marriage interview with a gallant knight
>Gets ordered to assist his lady on her meeting where he trips her up, puts ice on her neck and elbows her in the ribs to stop her from embarrasing herself, but only makes her orgasm
>Proceeds to beat up and strip her lady in front of the knight
>After her lady wakes up, get the blessing of the father and the lady announces she's bearing his child

It would certainly be interesting to see them switch positions for the meltdown that would folow.

Automobile is shittier than Kazuma.

so, by consensus, kazuma is shittier.

>>153818787
What? almost everybody is saying that Kazuma is better.

>>153818892
To be fair, Kazuma is better because he is a piece of shit.

>>153815063
I don't even remember the name of the guy from ReZero, but I remember him being obnoxious even in situations when the author tried to make him be shown in good light.

At least Kazuma is funny.

Kazuma is the better MC, he just happens to be a shittier person.

>>153818971
>I don't even remember the name of the guy from ReZero
his name is [japanese car manufacturer]

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>>153819110
I still don't know.

Nissan?

>>153819133
yes

>>153819133
It's Suzuki

Trashzuma is a shittier person, and Suzuki is a shittier character

>>153815148
>no ones bitch.
He gets screwed over by nobles and the system all the time, just taking it and then going looking for a way to fix without pissing them off.

>>153815106
Lel anything i don't like is reddit XDDD

>>153819133
>>153819181
>>153819196
It's Honda, dumb fucks.

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>>153815063
>Anyone liking the shittily written reddit:zero
>Anyone liking its one-dimensional MC

>>153819633

BUT HE'S KIND ANON.

HE'S KIND.

>>153819633
Don't act like Subaru being a massive sperg isn't entertaining.

What's so good abot rezero's mc anyways? At least kazuma has a brain

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>>153815063

There's a reason why he's been bestowed the title of Kazutrash.

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>lady killer
>professional retard wrangler
>ingenius inventor
>demon slayer
>rock paper scissors champion
>filthy rich

Nobody is as based as Kazuma

>>153819744
>>lady killer
Maybe in comparison to other Anime MCs.

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>>153819633
Because its fanbase is absolute shit obviously anyone who has decent tate and half a brain would understand that concept who the fuck wants to watch a sperg autismo for entire seasons anyways

even their vn its based on is shittly writtn at least konosubsa is entertaining

>>153819720
muh suffering

>>153819633
This. Trashzuma is at least funny

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>>153819720
ITS A MASTAPEICE ANON A MASTAHPEICE

>Comparing Kazuma, a successful NEET living the dream who then gets teleported to an alternate world surrounded by beautiful girls and gets to go on crazy and fun adventures and can never die because he just gets resurrected all the time and eventually becomes rich as fuck to Subaru, a self-insert for weebs and otakus who hate the world and want to kill themselves and love watching edgy shit with gore and have no friends or family that love them

>>153819688
I don't think strangling people and burning a woman alive is kind. Just saying.

the faggot with eyes too small and spaced apart for his face.

Does Mitsubishi have any combat skills, weapons, or spells?

>>153819720
Why the fuck did Subaru not just tell people he can respawn and run away? Is he literally retarded?

>>153819996
because he wants to dip his dick in his harem obviously typiccal for a shounen mc

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>>153819996
>Has the power to reset infinitely
>Doesn't use it to rape anyone he sees
>Doesn't grind or level up to go god-tier

Yes he is retarded

>>153819988
his power of friendship compensates that

>>153819600
No that was the highschool calligrapher from that other series

>>153817957
But if Mitsubishi ever switch place with Kuzuma, he will pick ordinary OP weapon, die, and has no one to revive him.

>>153820152

That other guy whi picked a cursed sword was doing pretty well by himself.

Kazuma said it himself, every single gift was totally broken.

>>153819996

He can't.

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>>153819988
He does actually, after continuing with his training, finding time to weave spells, got a contract with a Great Spirit (His adopted daughter Beatrice) and increasing his affinity with her. He has got an arsenal. He is also able to use a sword and whip combo in conjunction with Yin magic, which are absolute defense, dark crystal & negation magic. He is also set himself to be more agile by exercising with Clind and Gaaf with parkour and spelunking. His Yin magic also burns people IIRC.

>>153820122
No, Honda is a car manufacturer IDOIOIT !!

>>153819996

The witch gives either gives his heart a good squeeze or kills whoever heard him say it every time he tries.

The idiot never even comes with good excuses to cover his knowledge though. Scumzuma would already have a 5 bullshit stories by day 2 and start using the knowledge to earn cash.

>>153820240
Even if he fell into Kazuma's trick, Mitsurugi is not that much of a retard. Among those who receive divine gift, he's a rather famous one, implied that the others might not be as successful.

>>153820253
Gaaf? Clind?

Kazuma because he chooses and knows who's best girl in his series unlike Subaru

>>153820152
The "Ordinary OP weapons" are supposed to be OP to the point where its plain unfair and as long as they aren't facing another OP weapon they're near unstoppable. Just look at the one classic hero guy with the holy sword. He was soloing boss-tier enemies but the instant he lost his sword he fell apart because it was carrying his ass so hard.

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>>153820351
Oh boy spoiler time


Their part of Subaru's core war party after he subdued them with dirty tactics which consists of 12+ individuals. But his war party is much bigger in comparison if we are to include the army he helmed and lead against the Witch Cult.

>>153820353
Stay mad. They're a canon couple and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>153820333
He's famous because he actually does shit. The others mostly laze around the capital.

>>153820084
you're fucking psycho lol

>>153819600
Actually is Ford

>>153820480
Also I'll add that

Subaru also controls both Sanctuary and Arlam Village and has been officially knighted at the end of arc 4. As well has been doing dirty dealings and political stuff. Otto is his right hand man when it comes to this stuff and is also the faction's accountant.

>>153820480
>Rem
>Winning

Pick one.

>>153820551
>Implying its not Voruvo

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>>153820624
Well, she kinda did. I also expect shennanigains once Subaru and her reunite.

>>153820635
He isn't that sturdy. Maybe Fiato

>>153820480
I'm not even mad, I guess I should elaborate

Subaru - Rem (how it should be)
Kazuma - Megumin

Yes.

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>>153820480
>Satella took away his little slice of happiness away from him

What a bitch

>>153815063
Mitsubishi is the shittier one.
He has a save-scumming cheat and manages to be boring.

>>153821107
At least he is going through hell and high water to try and bring her back. Let's just hope she doesn't end up like Theresia, we don't want another Wilhelm case. Especially with Subaru. I'm fine if she comes back corrupted at this point.

>>153815063
Kirito

>>153819133
Toyota.

>>153815063

Kazuma is a shittier person, but at least he's smart and funny.

Impreza is just a moronic autist with a hero complet.

>>153819133
Onii-san

>>153819744
>pic
le necro skullfuck

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>>153821107
>He provides for her with his own money
>Fights in her name
>Takes care of her every day
>Spends his nights talking to her till the moon is long gone
>Made her a one-of-a-kind wheelchair
>Treats her like one would treat precious porcelain

What a devoted husbando

>>153821342
Kirito is for old people from and old show.

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>>153815063
This one.

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>>153815063
Kazuma does not sugarcoat his scummery, he enjoys and even venerates it.
I don't see how tryhard whiny subarushit can even compare.
They're galaxies apart taste-wise, subaru went for completely bland generic love interest #342141 while Kazuma have a variety of nice archetypes at his fingertips.

>>153823409
I want hotaru to sit on my face woth her galaxy wide ass

>>153815063
Your parents for not aborting you.

>>153823658
Haha ecks dee bro wanna trade waifus afterwards

>>153823409
Wait people actually defend harems?

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>>153823409
Rem isn't generic

>>153815063
Kazuma is pretty great
Subaru is garbage tier

>>153815063
I like both in their respective roles.

>>153824520
Neither she is MC main love interest.
>>153824469
>protecting harem
What the fuck are you even talking about?
The topic is Kazuma vs Subaru as isekai MC.
And Konosuba harem is a good one, there is not much blueballing going on and MC lust is balanced by his disgust in personalities of girls.

Subaru is shit. Kazuma is great.

>>153824661
Says you
>>153820701

I also have a ton more of Rem and Subaru going all lovey dovey as well.

Subaru is literally the worst mc ever and redditzero is trash.

Subaru is a selfinsert for cucked beta faggots that got bullied in school.

Kazuma is a selfinsert for alpha males that succeed in life.

not necessarily talking about these shows (or maybe i am) but i feel kinda weird watching anime after anime of blank slate MC. it's like they're genetic clones of each other (is that racist?).

anyone have that image of a bunch of MCs and they all look the same?

>>153825085
>Overlord
>Kumo-chan
>Slime
>Re:Zero
>Konosuba
>Dungeon Defence
>Death March
>MC
>Clones
You should think before you post.

>>153825151
the two MCs being compared in this thread do have some unique aspects which is why i said I wasn't necessarily talking about these shows.

but the "generic blank slate MC" is a thing, you know.

>>153825245
Regular Japanese High School Boy\Girl those were a thing long before Isekai became a trend.
Because it's easier to self-insert into when character does not have any outstanding qualities or peculiar quirks.

scumzuma was entertaining for a while, but it got old
honda is just ass

tfw you'll never hang out with Kazuma and Araragi

>>153815063
Suzuki is shittier

>>153815063
Kazuma is shittier but Subaru is the worst of the two.

>>153825509
This, we should discuss who is better between Kazuma and Araragi, Subaru is shit tier MC.

They both have access to incredibly overpowered assets and are compeltely unable to properly exploit them

>>153828236
Well, Araragi is a pedo
But Kazuma is Rance lvl 4 so my butthole would be in danger around him

>>153828236
Kazuma is a fun guy to party with, both in the sense of having fun drinking and having him in your group during quests, not to mention he has money and bitches.
Araragi, on the other hand, seem like a really annoying dude to hang out with. He is always surrounded by bitches, has a very clingy girlfriend, likes meddling in your business and is always starting shit and them making you solve your problems for yourself.

>>153824661
>MC lust is balanced by his disgust in personalities of girls

So blueballing.

>>153829554
Not really, I mean Kazuma gets his boners for all of them sometimes, but then he remembers what a shitty personalities they have and it cools down.
Really mature actually, I don't believe many /a/nons would have enough composure not to stick in crazy.

>>153829711
if by crazy you mean megumin I agree

>>153829770
Well Megumin is crazy, Lalatina is rotten not in a good way and Aqua is just dumb selfish bitch who constantly fucks shit up.

>>153815063
Kazuma is at least likeable.
Reddit:Zero characters are all terrible.

>>153829820
I don't think Aqua would even give anyone the chance unless they had already reached rich status like Kazuma

>>153829877
Eris gets out to have fun, don't you think Aqua did too?

>>153829941
I mean anyone who browses /a/ of course

>>153830058
And I meant that not giving in to temptation on the way to his goal of comfy life is bonus points for Kazuma.
Especially when giving in would mean sticking it in the crazy with all sorts of consequences.
I heard that he's getting close to Megumin later on in LN though.

>>153819892
It's sad,some people really believe,I watched the series just for two friends non stop saying it,then bullshit everywhere and called them faggot in his faces

>>153815063
Kazuma. I can't understand how can someone like /v/eddit:Zero MC

Kazuma's a way shittier person, which makes him a much less shitty protagonist.

>>153830159
I'm actually baffled that people even remotely like Reddit:zero at this point I am pretty sure its just shitposters who ironically like the series

I read the VN and its such shit writing through and through. The autists get better they said more worldbuilding but instead all I got was absolute cancer

>>153831737

I watched the adaptation and I can only say that the only somewhat interesting thing was the concept of the queen election, but then it as nearly forgotten for the rest of the cour.

Oh well, considering how the story was told, I'm fairly sure I would have ended up hating it as well.

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Holy fuck this thread. Is this really what the Konosuba fanbase is like?

>>153832113
Trust me you will absolutely hate it there is no depth to anything they dont even explot the witch cult or satella at all its just pure haremshit

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>>153817957
>Kazuma saves Emilia
>Roswaal offers him a reward
>"I just want to live here, eat fancy food and lounge around for the rest of my days"
>Roll credits

Kazuma, not being the type to go after clichés and being an advocate of true gender equality, would not whiteknight for Emilia.

>>153832272
Until you find out Roswaal is the villain behind all the events of arcs 1-3

>>153832194
Both of these shows are super popular on reddit from what I've heard. Konosuba threads are full of people who stream anime too, I've stopped posting in them cause there's nobody worth having a conversation with.

>>153832272

>Kazuma saves Emilia
>Implying

He'd avoid her like the plague the moment he gets in trouble because of her. It took Honda like 3 or 4 deaths of pure stubborness to save her the first time, and by that point Kazuma would already have a restriction order ready... or be dead if he doesn't get return by death.

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>>153832194
Hopefully they aren't, as people are also throwing lies around as well about the series from what I can read. I've been trying to avoid replying to the misconceptions and make conversations but what's even the point.

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>>153832447
Though what if return by death forces him to save/guard Emilia? Kazuma would probably guard/help Emilia, but only because he's forced to. Which would lead to a pretty funny situation where Kazuma constantly hangs out with Emilia even though he clearly dislikes her and doesn't want to be around her, but he can't explain to Emilia why he keeps sticking around. Emilia would probably be polite enough to tell him that he can leave if he wants to, and Kazuma would have to keep making up excuses for why he really wants to be around her (which he doesn't want to).

I'm not saying Re:Zero is bad, it isn't, but having Kazuma in such a situation instead of the overeager Suzuki would make the show a lot more interesting.

>>153832615
Fuck off back to your general

>>153832194
The worst art is they criticize stuff that they don't even consume. Let's take RbD and Witch fuckery for example. People assume Subaru can simply stop sperging about Satella-lite even though

>Just what kind of fire her gaze held as she stares at Subaru is nothing he can figure. But nevertheless, the feverish pounding in his chest shows absolutely no signs of stopping. By consciously holding everything restrained, frantically speaking out, thrusting her with a rejection ragged enough to near make him spit blood, Subaru manages to preserve his fundamental self.
>Literally, if he does not endeavour in an effort to maintain his consciousness like this, he is convinced that the fundamental core of his being will distort. And that was an overwhelmingly terrifying image.
>Blatantly rejecting her, displaying such open disgust, and stricken with this truth is Subaru, who Satella faces by standing exactly stock-still as before. Her invisible face, a veil of darkness enveloping her expression. He can't discern it. Shouldn't be able to comprehend it, but he inadvertently understand that his words have just hurt Satella, and probably she cast her gaze down. His heart thinks its desire to gently stroke her hair, speak words to ease her pained face, whisper loves to her and make her smile.
>And although he denies it this much, his heart continues to urge that he LOVE Satella.
>Subaru: “Y... what are you!? What did you put in me!? Something like with RETURN BY DEATH, you put something in me to manipulate my heart!?”
>Subaru flings his distrust for his heart, failing to abide his will, at Satella.
>His heart, which was abruptly now showing reactions wholly beyond his understanding. If this witch and her supernatural powers were interfering with his powerful emotions, that was overwhelmingly horrifying.
>Twisting people's hearts to suit her will—that was a deed abhorrent, less than human.

This is a thing. Kazuma wouldn't even survive.

Would kazuma and his allies win against Subaru, Emilia and the maids?

>>153833208
But he would because Kazuma isn't a bitch.

>>153833208
They weren't joking when they said the writing was shit.
There are a lot of things Kazuma can not survive. Survival is not an issue for Kazuma.

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>>153831737
Its not even a VN. Its a goddamn Web Novel.

>>153833394
vanir alone could solo them

>>153832775

Not sure if it would go as you describe it. If Kazuma realized that he was forced by higher powers to protect Emilia, I can see him accepting his fate but being a massive scumbag and exploit his situation for massive profit.

>Saves Emilia the first time, his illusion of having her a the main heroine and having an adventure is broken through brutal murders and stress
>As reward he demands to be a guest of honor in the mantion, and he'll work as Emilia's bodyguard while he's at it.
>Acts polite and deferential to Emilia-sama, jewish handrubbing included, but it's plain to her by his attitude whenever he's not talking to her that he couldn't give less of a shit.
>Saves her when in danger, but otherwise indifferent to her emotional suffering and muh bigotry
>Puck (was that his name) would totally hate his guts, but would be unable to argue against his savescumming results
>With how quickly he adapts to dying in Fantasy Straya, he'd probably start killing himself soon enough to save time when gathering info or failing to save Emilia

If he was not forced to follow her then I can see him recruited by the jews within a month.

EMT A SHIT
A
S
H
I
T

>>153833594
Don't say that, she is a nice girl
Just a little bit retarded

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>>153833423
Subaru is quite literally a puppet with strings, who still managed to punch a Witch after getting tortured by Echidna during the trials. What makes you think Kazuma has the same constitution?

>>153833429
Mentally is different than physically, even then. There was a time Subaru's body physically rejected being alive.

>>153833687
He doesn't. Kazuma would avoid the situation altogether. Kazuma is a scumbag. He would steal her panties and drain her when she tries to recover them.
Of course thats assuming he actually bothers to fight her and not just stealth+snipe her.

>>153833687
>What makes you think Kazuma has the same constitution?
>kazuMAN
>not punching a bitch

>>153833687
>Implying kazuma wouldn't get salty and plan revenge

>>153833969
>>153833973
>>153834003
I really don't think you anons understand the concept of "being bound by fate" nor the degree of how strong Witch fuckery is. Nor just how strong the woman who wiped half the world is.

>>153834273
I don't think you understand Kazuma

>>153834321
I don't think he does.

>>153834321
We have our own version of Kazuma in terms of luck stat, her same is Priscilla. So yes, I kinda do.

Also
>powerlevel arguments again

Why am I not suprised

>>153834442
We aren't talking about his luck stat or powerlevels. You just don't get Kazuma.

>>153834442
>Kazuma
>powerlevels
You really don't understand Kazuma

one is for true gender equality and the other puts the pussy on a pedestal

>>153834442
It's not about powerlevel, it's about strategy.

>>153834488
>>153834508
>>153834547
Well since I'm unfamiliar with the LNs can you give me some information in order to gauge?

Kazutrash is not about powerlevel. There's no limit to how pathetic and worthless he is, he's got no integrity, no dignity, no honor. Therefore he's pretty much immune to moral conflict and would sell his mum for enough money.

He's complete garbage, a waste of air. His mere existence should be a crime. The only action in this universe that could maaaayyyybe make him a bit less of an insult to creation would be to join the Axis cult and give proper devotion to Aqua-sama.

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>>153815063
They're both good for different reasons.

>>153834725
Aqua go home you are drunk.

>>153834725
>joining australian isis

I can see him doing that.

>disliking something because of its fans

>>153834725
So Kazuma is basically Roswaal. Or Anastasia, or Priscilla.

>>153834846

At least those three have good looks.

>>153834564
His use of dirty tricks and good thinking is what made him defeat 5 Demon king generals, one of them an evil god that was winning a battle in the frontlines against many heroes, using dynamite
He even invaded the princess' castle and won against that cheat sword guy by freezing the water on his mouth/nose

>>153834906
>won against that cheat sword guy by freezing the water on his mouth/nose
That's not nice

>>153815063
Kazuma's a shitty human bean but fun to watch. For Toyota you have to bring up Rem to justitfy his shittiness. He's kinda like Touma, works better as a side character. MC should've been Julie or medieval OPM.

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>>153834906
I don't get how this is different from Subaru as he's pretty much done the same things, if not scummier things like letting Priscilla set a possibly populated buildings on fire. Or asking for a fair fight from Gaaf only to subdue him with traps he requested from Otto and having his lover Ram fight him.

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>>153834996
Touma can be a very good protagonist under the right circumstances.
Not to mention Kamachi is far better at torture porn.

>>153828681
I'm with this stupid!

>>153834906
Its probably not as bad as Subaru comforting Emilia after making a bet with Roswaal how she will take in his "confession" to free Sanctuary, basically using her for the sake of his kekaiku.

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>>153834906
He tried manipulating an old man who was mourning for his dead wife

>>153815063
Kazuma is better because he doesn't make girl he like embarassed infront of authority, and despite his idiocy he's more rational & self aware to keep himself doing something stupid (self-entertainment doesn't count).

>>153834781
translation when?

>>153834725
Kazuma has morals, else he'd fuck off already after his first death in the Fantasy world.

>>153835152
I also forgot to add one event was during a war to take down and capture archbishops, which 5 of them invaded, 7-8 if you count the mini gluttonies and Theresia. The other was to gain dominion over Sanctuary.

>>153835613

Whatever I still think he should join the Axis cult.

>>153835670
*Eris cult

>>153835670
Just be useful for once Aqua and bring the man some tea.

>>153835788
Don't you mean hot water?

>>153835706

Padded cult you mean.

Why would he join a lame church like that hen he could join the cool kids' church of the most amazing, wise and beautiful Aqua-sama?

Kindly delete your post.

>>153835817
Why would you pray for the goddess of water?
Eris is the goddess of luck, that's something you should pray for

>>153835859
You can survive without luck, but you can't survive without aqua's blessing, and water.

>>153835706
*padded cult

>>153815106
>redditsuba
>redditkobayashi
>redditsenki
>redditdropout
>redditacca
>redditfuuka
>reddit no honkai

Stop it, it's going nowhere.

>>153835859
>>153835926
If you are lucky you can easily find water. You can do everything with luck.
Luck is the best stat.

>>153836053
Even with luck Kazuma died 6 times in the WN, explain that.

>>153836134
he died less than subaru
Kazuma > Toyota

>>153836134

Eris-shitters BTFO

Axis wins once again!

>>153836134
He gets to hang out with his waifu there.
Dying is a blessing for him.

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>>153836191
Stop using 4chan, Aqua

>>153832306

>implying kazutrash would even care

>>153832306
Kazuma would help Roswaal for some cash

>>153820253
Yeah, but can he beat Uchiha Madara?

Would Kazuma even survive more than a couple of days in the masnion with Ram and Rem? This is Kazutrash we're talking about.

>>153824520
She is though. Her circumstances aside, she's not really far removed from the stock standard 'devoted doormat' archetype. Don't fool yourself.

>>153834442
The only person who has higher luck than Kazuma is the Goddess of Luck, Eris.

Kazuma if left alone can bankrupt casinos and win Yugioh tournaments.

>>153836606
Assuming he was following Emilia, he wouldn't be hanging on to her like Car Brand... But he'd probably ask to live there and do nothing at all.

Which means Rem would die from the curse and nobody would blame him.

>>153836691
He won that tournament fair and square.
With a deck that was technically made illegal on the regular world.

subaru kun is great and i love him
i love how he made me cringe and also how he was completly destroyed and in catatonic state
hes the best
kazuma was boring

>>153819133
Mitsuoka

>>153836691
Does this mean she allowed Kazuma to steal her her panties?

>>153832272
>do that
>get fucking murdered by rem

>>153820084
every time he resets he brings the world slightly closer to total destruction

>>153837407
Why? All he is doing is basking in the wealth and status he received for his deed not sniffing around the Lady like some dog in heat.

>>153837522
because subaru attempted that and was fucking murdered by rem

plus the dog would have bitten rem and then ram would have fucking murdered him on the fifth day

>>153828236
Araragi drives a new beetle, a yellow new beetle.
In fucking japan
He made his parents buy a fucking euro import just because shinobu mentioned it was kinda cute, and its the shittiest euro import he could ever get, holly fuck I'm still mad at his car choice

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But can Rem do THIS?

>>153834781
TRANSLATION WHEN???

>>153837552
But he didn't. Subaru tries to weasel his way close to Emilia and that combined with the witch smell makes him really suspicious. Kazuma wouldn't care and would just laze around.

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How could anyone pick Subaru over Kazuma?

>>153834781
>The two worst characters from their respective series

>>153815063
The one that takes itself seriously

>>153837819

This. They were keeping an eye on Nissan and were creeped out by his overeagerness.

After seeing Kazuma be a complete slob and not move from the sofa for three days while peeing on a bottle they'd be disgusted by his worthlessness but there would be no suspicion on him.

>>153837819
Roswaal is behind Arc 1-3 because he wants Subaru to help him with his own deeds (specifically reviving his teacher, Echidna), and he uses the gospel to force him in these situations.
His gospel will have Kazuma do his bidding one way or another, most likely until Arc 4.
But if Kazuma is still fine after the fuckery that was Arc 1-3, he most likely will continue to do what Subaru does even during and after Arc 4.

You see, Kazuma acts the way he does because his "fantasy world" sucks balls in a parody way.
Subaru's "fantasy world" sucks balls because it's trying to deconstruct itself. Kazuma will surely act differently in this case.

>>153838412
The gospel doesn't give him mind control powers. Kazuma can still tell him no and even if he does go along with it he won't be thirsting after Emilia constantly.

>>153838558
Anon, you're an idiot.
The gospel won't mind control Kazuma, no, the gospel will make Roswaal act in such a manner that Kazuma will have to react in the way Roswaal wants.
Mind you, that's not perfect either, but eventually, Kazuma won't like dying endlessly and painfully after a while (most likely right after his first death).

>>153838749
>Anon, you're an idiot
Straight in with the insults way to make it seem like your point has any weight behind it.
>the gospel will make Roswaal act in such a manner that Kazuma will have to react in the way Roswaal wants.
I hope Roswaal has a lot of money or can guarantee some pussy cause that is the only way you will get Kazuma to do something he really doesn't want to do and if it even seems like it isn't worth it for a second Kazuma will pull out faster than your father should've. Kazuma=/=Subaru he is actually quite hard to manipulate.

>>153833208
so in the end what's satella? I read somewhere that she was some kind of "griffith"-like villian and that her wrongdoings were kinda justified, but here she sounds like a total bitch.

>>153815063
Apples and pears, anon. I personally prefer Kazuma because of the pervy antics and comedic interactions with the party.

>>153838924
>Straight in with the insults way to make it seem like your point has any weight behind it.
>muh ad hominem
It's probably best if you stop posting, anon.
>I hope Roswaal has a lot of money or can guarantee some pussy
He could, but he doesn't need to.
>cause that is the only way you will get Kazuma to do something he really doesn't want to do and if it even seems like it isn't worth it for a second Kazuma will pull out faster than your father should've. Kazuma=/=Subaru he is actually quite hard to manipulate.
It's almost as if the two universes we're talking about are completely different.
The gospel will force Kazuma into Roswaal's perimeter.
The gospel will force him to stay or else he'll keep on dying.
The deaths aren't anything like in Konosuba, because Tappei likes to see his characters suffer, that's enough for the type of person Kazuma is to do his best to stop that or he'll stop functioning as a person.

>>153839328
>The gospel will force Kazuma into Roswaal's perimeter.
How?
>The gospel will force him to stay or else he'll keep on dying.
How?

All you are saying is it will work because it will. How will it make Kazuma do these things? What will his incentive be? What is stopping him from saying no and just fucking off?

>>153819110
Ford?

>>153839444
>All you are saying is it will work because it will.
The gospel told Roswaal to hire Elsa to kill Emilia/steal her badge.
The gospel will tell him to do something else to force Kazuma to follow along.
>What is stopping him from saying no and just fucking off?
The gospel.
It's not that hard, anon. When a book is able to tell you how to get to X future in every case imaginable, you just need to follow the book and you'll get there.
What will be written in it for Kazuma's case? Don't ask me, ask Tappei.

>>153840125
>The gospel will tell him to do something else to force Kazuma to follow along.
So Roswaal's choices boil down to pay him or get him pussy because apart from threatening to kill him every time he hasn't got much else Kazuma needs.

>>153833208
I don't see how much kazuma will be obliterated by this B-)

>>153815063
You're mistaken
Kazuma is actually a good MC

>>153840125

Another anon here who has only watched the anime, so the gospel is omniscient? Is Re:Zero one of those "can't change fate" stories? Does Ford even have a victory condition in the LN when faced against something like the gospel?

Well, if things are written in stone for Kazuma to be trapped in the same situation as Subaru, I imagine he'd be dragged into their business through the promise of dosh and bitches. Since Emilia is a truly nice person with no insane quirks she'll eventually get fed up with Kazutrash when his true nature eventually reveals itself, so it would be an interesting dynamic to see him deal with that.

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>both are weird assholes
>one is played for laughs
>one is intended to be taken seriously
Kuzuma is better, at least he has a bit of human decency every once in a whole.

>>153834725
Poor stupid asshole, you ignore the first episode when he was brave and Noble enough to give his life for another, stupid yes he is ,asshole nah

>>153840814

Hi Kazuma.

>>153815106
>tfw hate reddit
>tfw I also got tired of hating things solely because of reddit liking them
It gets tiring to hate stuff all the time tbqh

>>153837915
I'm with you

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Kazuma is more likable and Subaru is more heroic (on average.) Plus, reddit:zero has Rem: the most popular cookie cutter waifu.

>>153840570
this
kazuma is kind to poor yunyun, I can't see subaru doing the same

>>153840551
Roswaal's gospel isn't perfect, which is why Subaru fails so many times in actually surviving and following along with Roswaal's plans for him. His gospel is imperfect, but there is a perfect one that Echidna possesses (the Witch of Greed, Roswaal's teacher).
It's not really that Kazuma will be forced in the exact same situation either. Roswaal will pose different challenges for him.
>>153840430
Anon has generalization issues.
Yes, if we're going that way, it's clear that his only way to make Kazuma do anything, is to give him stuff. E.g. like pussy.
After all, he does the same thing for Subaru.
Subaru wants Emilia's pussy, friends, recognition and an easy life.
It's almost as if these two characters have only slight differences and the only real thing that changes their output is the situation around them.

You can't compare both. One is made for suffering porn and the other is the MC of a comedy series.

I think that Toyota in Konosuba world would be some boring white knight due to no suffering and wouldn't even pick Aqua and instead bring some shitty magical item or something, while Scumzuma in Re:Zero world would be more tolerable at least (because no way someone can be worse than Subaru) and probably more successful because he wouldn't be a total retard with RBD. He would probably be a Remfag as well

>>153841112
I'm not into megumin and think his fanbase is gargantuan like bigger,
REM is good but the truth...

>>153841266
This guy

>>153841388
Doubles for doubles!!

>>153841231
It isn't generalisation though because that is Kazuma. He is a lazy, greedy, pervert who will back down if it looks like he is going to make a loss from a situation. So unless that gospel is the word of God, Roswaal is going to be pulling his hair out trying to find a good way to make Kazuma actually finish any of those dangerous plans once he has started them because if it gets too dangerous Kazuma is out.

>>153841266

>He would probably be a Remfag as well

Problem would be that she only started liking Honda because of his unhealthy savior complex, so Kazuma has 0% chance with her.

I can see him having better chemistry with that street rat that became a candidate, I can't remember her name but she wanted to go all Robespierre with the nobility.

>>153841727
>It isn't generalisation though because that is Kazuma.
Proceeds on missing the point and repeating himself after canon contradicts his repetition.
Sasuga, /a/.
>>153841762
Problem is Reinhard.

>>153841727
>He is a lazy, greedy, pervert who will back down if it looks like he is going to make a loss from a situation.
He literally gave his life to save someone in the introduction.

>>153841896
>after canon contradicts his repetition
What canon?

>>153841939
Never made that mistake again did he?

>>153841950
>>153841231
>>153840125

>>153841266
honda would be the guy who got his sword stolen by kazuma

>>153842021
No, Subaru would do the same thing if he had Kazuma's Steal and if it would help him.
It's baffling how much people don't see their similarities. Subaru is better at hiding his "asshole" side because Kazuma being scum is played for the laughs, see Arc 3 of Re:Zero.

>>153841982
When was he put in such a situation again? Did he ever let anyone die? You shouldn't take every single action as a proof of character considering this is a comedic series.

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>>153837518
who gives a shit.
he doesn't know that.
He KNOWS he can reset time. Have you seen groundhogs day? why isn't he doing that, doing something useful with it.

Character knowledge =/= audience knowledge. If you are ignorant of the consequences then their are no consequences until they catch up to you

>>153842129
mitsubishi wouldn't have steal since he would have chose pay2win sword at the start and not needed it

>>153842895
Then he would proceed to not use the sword cause he's a pussy and doesn't understand how to use the things in front of him

>>153842895
These "IFs" are low bait. No one would have stole his sword in the first place.
>>153837518
Wait what?

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>>153833687
>My MC can beat your MC in this scenario

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>>153840885

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>>153841291
>Emilia cucks Rem again
Heh

>>153820274
honda actually makes motorcycles not that anyone cares tho

>>153843948
Google disagrees

>>153843993
google is a liar

>>153815063
>Re:zero
OH I CAN GO BACK TO A SAVE POINT AT ANYTIME, BETTER FORGET ABOUT THIS INCREDIBLY USEFUL TRUMP CARD EVERYTIME I ROYALLY FUCK UP FOR MY WAIFU WHO HAS DONE NOTHING FOR ME

>Kazuma
I just want to live a comfy life

Kazuma is more realistic overall

>>153819795
No, as in he would fucking do it if he got the chance. Tell me that he wouldn't fuck aqua up if he didn't have to deal with any repercussions? Scumzuma knows about dat self preservation boi