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Heaven's Feel Part 1 on September 30th

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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2017-02-19/1st-fate-stay-night-heaven-feel-film-listed-on-september-30-by-theater/.112430
GET READY FOR DICK WORMS AND MAPO TOFU

> The advance ticket page for the TOHO Cinemas Kinshicho theater in Tokyo lists the first Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel film with an opening date of September 30. As of Sunday, the other theaters in the TOHO Cinemas chain only list the film's opening within "2017."

> The staff of the Fate/stay night franchise announced last March that the film project will be split into three separate films, with the first premiering sometime in 2017. The project was initially announced in 2014 as a single film.

> Tomonori Sudou (Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works, Fate/Zero animation director) is directing the films, and ufotable is animating the work. Yuki Kajiura (Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works, Fate/Zero) is composing the music. The initial announcement revealed that Takahiro Miura was providing the storyboards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsdsOWs9nWw
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>September 30th

Lol, nope.
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is it confirmed whether we are getting sex or blood sucking?
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>>153665640
End September makes sense since the studio will have to work on Touken Ranbu in summer. I wonder if Aniplex will have the three HF movies run for about 1 hour each, just like Kizu.
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>>153665853
>implying
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>>153665640
>Takahiro Miura was providing the storyboards.
JUST
FUCK
MY
HEAVEN'S FEEL
UP
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>>153666075
Miura's action boards are good. Anyway, he probably won't be the only storyboard artist on it.
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>september
And it's not even counting how long until the blu ray comes out.
Goddamnit
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>>153665640
>3 Movies
Assuming they skip the set-up part that's common for all routes this should be ok content-wise. Moderately hyped I guess.

My only complaint is that we might have to wait 2/3 years to finally see the ending animated. They better not fuck it up.

...Ilya!
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>>153665640
Till next year then.
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>>153665941
Great taste.
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>>153665640
THE CANON WIFE IS COMING !!
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>Tomonori Sudou is directing the films
ruined
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>>153665640
>Day after my birthday
Please don't suck even though I know the first film is going to be cooking. I think they should at least be able to make it to the mapo tofu scene in the first film.
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>>153666340
This. The best part is the last day. It will be an eternal wait.
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>>153667199
Depending on where and when it comes out I might actually shill out for an international trip to see the last part.

Hearing Kotomine KIIREEEEIIII! in a cinema might just be worth it.
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Hope they'll screen it outside of Japan too, waiting years for subs sucks ass.
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>>153665640
Plus 9 months waiting for BD rips. Fuck it.
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Thank fucking god

This allows me more time to prepare for a trip to Japan to see it as I was planning on going sometime this year
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>>153665640
This is way too long to wait for a movie about cooking.
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>>153667301
Well, I know for sure that I don't want to listen to Die Lorelei and cry in a room full of people.
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>>153669896
Even if everyone else will be crying as well? I know I will be. I mean, who wouldn't when Ilya finally shows Shirou a Miracle.
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>>153669962
Heh, that would be quite the scene. You're making me have second thoughts.

Still, it definitely won't air in my country, so I'm just daydreaming.
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>>153670302
Neither will it ever air in my- I'm a Pole, my borders will be literally closed for anything non-polish by the end of the year at this pace.

This might just be worth organizing a trip to Japan with a couple weeb friends.

You're invited as well anon
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>>153665640

>September

I've been waiting for 10 years, give me a fucking break.
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>>153671334
The wait's almost over anon. Tme Miracle's almost upon us.

Now lets make bets how long we'll wait for Hollow Ataraxia.
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>>153665640
By that time, those movies will be already pointless, as superior HF movie will by already out by summer.
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>>153665776
Dolphins with dragon wings.
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>>153673891
Please do elaborate.
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So how are they going to split the story? 1st movie ends after the Ryudou temple and 2nd after Dark Sakura's raid to Emiya residence?
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>>153674354
>best and badass Shirou.
>best Sakura.
>best "Answer"
>Kiritsugu at his best mindset.
>MIYU
>not counting Kotomine vs. Shirou, all action here is superior to all battles in HF.
Should I continue.
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>>153674666
...I've no idea what you're on about.
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>>153674666
>all action here is superior to all battles in HF
There's not much action in HF, all battle scenes are also short as fuck. But they will be spread throughout 3 films with much higher budgets.
>>153674730
Fate/kaleid liner PrismaIllya movie.
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>>153674730
Content if this movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IscIt4lmOY
That makes whole HF trilogy from Ufotable pointless.
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>>153674941
Prisma Movie will have higher budget too.
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>>153674941
>>153674953
I stopped watching Prisma when the second cour of the second season started with utter shit.

Thanks anons, another reason not to kill myself.
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>>153675000
Not higher than any of the individual HF movies, no.
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>>153675046
Just read the manga, they had to add sidestories as filler for Zwei.
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>>153675052
Any proof for this claim? Anyway I believe SL more than Ufo.
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>>153675367
What sort of proof do you need? Ufotable is larger and HF is more important to Type-Moon than Prisma movie. Of course they have higher budgets.
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>>153675472
Sorry, if I break your delusion, but usually all those movies have very similar average budget. It's more about talent of studios how spend those money.
Also Kadokawa > Aniplex in terms of money.
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>>153675046
One more, when you consider, that movie will be more like this.
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>>153665640
>MAPO TOFU
I've never cared about fate outside of porn, tell me more.
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>>153665776
It won't air on tv, so maybe. That's just my hope speaking though
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>>153675367
No one here actually knows the budget of any given work, people just think "it looks nice" = "high budget"
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>>153675046
woa same here. Prisma Illya being a bolder sakura card captors with yuri undertones, well done battles and having fun with characters we already knew was pretty cool.
Then they added brown whore illya and the show turned into pure pedobait otaku pandering. Her introduction arc was probably the worst and dumbest thing in any fate spinoff I saw too.
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It will have been over 3 years since they announced this
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>>153677135
Pretty much. Dark Ilya was not anything original in the first place, but if they carried it out well it could have been a fine storyline.

They did not.

I mean come on, I really like the show for whenever its good, but I saw half the first episode of Zwei Hertz and never looked back.
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>>153674666
>Prismafag

Kys
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>sakura x shirou on the big screen

make way for the canon wife
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>>153665776
Ufo cut all sex references in UBW, and I think they will do the same here just because they don't like this kind of thing.
They even butchered the explanation of how Shirou was getting mana from Rin so they didn't had to show they fucking.
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>>153678570
>because they don't like this kind of thing.

No, its because UBW aired on tv. The third KnK film had no problem showing the explicit rape of Fujino.
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>>153675679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxSgw3XbFS0
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>>153676954
People are just blind.
Just compare Ufotable doing job:
https://u.nya.is/zaaoil.avi
And Silver Link doing job:
https://u.nya.is/hyzfhl.avi
Sorry, for little bigger file sizes.
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>>153665640
Finally a date.
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>>153679621
My point was that looking nice isn't directly correlated with budget. Good scheduling and talented workers are more important.
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>>153678724
You must realise, that Fate is little different league than KnK now. There is no way that they will show something different than Realta Nua version of scenes. At most you can hope, that they make those scenes little more provocative.
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>>153665640

When the fuck is it going to get here though?
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>>153679730
>Good scheduling and talented workers are more important.
True True. Not mention that Ufotable outsourced many things in Silver Link anyway.
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>>153665640

I'm going to Japan in 2018 for the Rugby World Cup, so I might get the chance to see one of these movies the natural way. Cautious hype.
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>>153679738
And the worms scenes in Fate Zero?
The anime is very explicit (In the last episodes Zouken give the worm that eat the chastity of Sakura to Kariya) and the manga version of the first encounter with Sakura is almost H.
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>>153680126

I've never seen the Manga version of Zero. Was it never translated, or just never scanned/brought over here?
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>>153680126
>And the worms scenes in Fate Zero?
They all are pretty downrated in anime.
>The anime is very explicit
Not, at all.
>(In the last episodes Zouken give the worm that eat the chastity of Sakura to Kariya)
It was just stated, not shown.
>manga version
Is not anime version.
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Don't anime and movies have different censorship standards? In that movies basically have none which is why that KnK movie had a rape scene in it?
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>>153677567
>Kys
Why are so many kids from Youtube here?
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By the time this trilogy is out nobody is going to care anymore. Ufotable took too long.
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>>153665640
>announced in 2014
>3 movies
>first movie isn't even out yet
How can they get away with this shit?
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>>153680190
Image of Ch15, Dark horse have the licensed and they have until vol5 of 14, is more explicit in some parts like the caster Gore scenes.
>>153680424
My point is that the sex=mana still isn't removed in the canon, and with movie they can show more explicit scenes (Like the berserk movie III that have the Casca Scene)
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>>153681255

So is the entire Zero Manga online anywhere?
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>canon
>FSN
Only Grand Order is canon.
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>>153681255
>That image
Is this part of the "horrible things" Nasu didn't want Urobuchi to do to Sakura? Sasuga
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>>153681217
SHAFT did worse with Kizu.
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>>153681347
>He either thinks that his shitty mobile game is important or that he'll bait many people by pretending it is
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>>153681447
Well he baited (You).
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>>153681447
>Nasu and Type-Moon's Magnum Opus that dumps the most lore and retcons
>shitty unimportant mobile game
Your denial will not change the facts.
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>>153681304
Sadly no, the translated chapter is until ch6 in English and ch15 in Spanish, if you want see the English and Spanish version for the Caster and Ryonosuke scenes
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>>153681447
>>153681347
Fuck off.
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>>153674666
>Prisma Illya HF will have less Illya in it than regular HF
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>>153681563
I mean it is a shitty mobile game. No matter how much powerlevels and bullshit they'll pump into it most people will ignore it anyway. The anime adaptation is trash so far as well so no luck from there either.

When they release another work that actually acknowledges anything from F:GO, then we're talking. Until then, I'll take my Caster Cu and ignore everything else.
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>>153681709
It's parallel worlds, it's all canon. Stop taking bait you retard.
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>>153681709
>When they release another work that actually acknowledges anything from F:GO
Fate/Extellia.
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I want to see Ufo's design for Dark Sakura.
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>>153681779

I hope we get plenty of Sakura's massive titties in HF.
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Do you think they'll manage to fit in Sparks Liner High with the True End, or will they just make it a BD extra?

>Mind of Steel will never be animated
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Who else t-thinks that Sakura is shit? P-purely for the purpose of s-some scientific project of mine.
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>>153681806
I hope they don't cut any of Kirei's lectures and monologues.

>>153681833
Sparks and MoS as BD extras is the best we can hope for.
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>>153681852
I like Illya, Rin, and Saber more than her but I don't think she's shit. Fuck off fag.
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>>153681852

Cute blushing Saber is cute. A shame she's going to get shat on in HF.
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>>153681924
Saber is surprisingly cute in HF.
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>>153681852
Sakura isn't shit, she just has an annoying voice half of the time and every other character in the VN is better than her.Now only if those H scenes were voiced.
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>>153674666
You forgot that the director is Oonuma.
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I hope Ufo is nice to Shinji. He's always treated so unfairly.
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>>153681852
Sakura is love.
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>>153681924
>>153681968
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io_tbnfxCh4
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>>153682007

She has great tits. That's basically as far as it goes.
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>>153665640
>Worst route, only bad route
Who gives a shit?
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>>153681687
There is Miyu in imouto role.
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>>153682375

Best route with worst girl. Watch it for Illya and Kotomine.
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>>153681995
Fucking true.
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>>153682453
>Best route with worst girl
That is UBW
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>>153682004
Nice try, Shinji.
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>>153682514

Don;t you dare shit on Rin.
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>>153682004
At very last in Prisma movie he will get what he want.
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>>153682596
Rin is way less obnoxious in HF, I'll give her that
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>>153682556
Shinji...I don't get why he gets all the hate on /a/. FSN is just written to make him out as the bad guy, when really he's no worse than any of the 'protagonists' and a better person than most of them.

What are the main complaints? He raped Sakura and stole Rider to use in the war?

Okay, let's get this straight. He never fucking raped Sakura. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He fucked Sakura.

Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK SAKURA? You can't even name one fucking character who hasn't plugged her loose cunt! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while having multiple orgasms. Shinji knew this, he's a fucking ladies man. He knows what filthy whores like Sakura want.

And there's this other big bitch you guys have with him. He supposedly stole Rider and used her in the war for his own greed.

Objection! He was worried about his one and only precious sister. Is keeping your loved ones from a brutal war so wrong? When Shirou does the same thing to Saber it's like 'oh he's so manly', but when Shinji does it it's wrong? He just wanted to protect Sakura. He probably was going to use his Holy Grail wish to tighten her cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.

The story was written to make that faggot Shirou look good. Objectively, Shinji is a far better character than Shirou. At least he has the balls to take action decisively instead of dicking around like Shirou, and if he weren't stuck with the weak ass servant Rider and no plothax he probably would have won the war.
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>>153681255
As like said, at very most you can hope, that blood drink scenes will be portrayed in very provocative way, but there is no way, that Ufotable yould include direct sex scenes in movie.
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>>153682708

How old is this pasta?
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Why do I love Shinji so much? It's pretty simple when I think about it. Shinji isn't just the best character in the series, he might just be the greatest character of all time. Just imaging him walking through Fuyuki, all the ladies swoon at his very scent. They know how he smells, the essence of his smell is sold under the the name of "Matou Orgasm." The very nature of Shinji is mystery. could he be playing a deeper game than even his creator realizes? The answer is yes, he has transcended such boundaries as the written world, and has free will to do whatever he sees fit. However, Shinji is filled with such guile, such arcane craft that he does not even use these powers. Why, you might ask? You will never know, for the mind of the Shinji is not one that is easily penetrated. Shinji is such a force of nature in his realm that nothing can truly touch him, the only thing keeping him bound to the page at all is his will to exist within the preordained boundaries of his world. Shinji is not only beyond the comprehension of us, he exists within a plane of true focus and beauty. Observe his playful smile, his gourgeous and rippling biceps, his gallant nose, and most importantly, his eyes. His eyes, like pools of sapphire, provide the only glimpse into the true machinations of Shinji. Do not stare into them. Many good men have gone mad in the attempt. Shinji is not just a character, a formless collection of words and images, he is himself is the binding that holds the saga together. Without Shinji, the entire Fate series as we know them crumbles.

These are just of a few of the reasons why I like Shinji so much.
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>>153682447
wew why this Shirou looks so manly. And why Sakura's boobs are so small here?
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>>153682789
Several years.
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I know people like to hate on Shinji and all that, but if you really think about it, he's not a bad person. He and Shirou were genuine friends, even eachother's only male friends (Issei only used Shirou like a tool), before they were torn apart by magic and the archery club. Shirou never really came to hate Shinji. And you can't really take a tsundere like Shinji's words at face value. If you consider that Shirou was a beter friend to Shinji that Shinji was to Shirou, imagine how hard it must have been for Shinji to go against Shirou.

Shinji is a prideful guy, so he obviously can't bring himself to do things that would damage that pride. That's just his personality, it doesn't make him a bad person. He says things he doesn't mean and does things he will regret. The plot of FSN is built to give Shinji a hard time, particularly by making him Shirou's enemy, probably the thing he wanted least.

Remember that Shinji initially wanted to work with Shirou, but the game doesn't even give you the option to consider it. He wanted to ally with him because he was his friend, if he only cared about winning he would have gone to Sakura. The game wants to give Shinji a hard time and turn him into a villain. Think of him like Harvey Dent from The Dark Knight, or even Berserker. Berserker is said to be the strongest capable of sweeping the other 6 Servants, but he ends up having one of the lowest kill counts. The game is designed to make the best of us fall so the underdogs like Shirou can rise.
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>>153681709
>The most popular thing from Type-Moon right now.
>most people will ignore it anyway
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>>153682846
That's Miyu.
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>>153682846
Because that's not Sakura, but Miyu.
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>>153674666
>best "Answer"
Isn't that literally the same answer he came up with in HF?
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>>153683474
Imouto > slut.
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>>153683474
It's similar, but not same. Point of difference is difference between Sakura and Miyu. While Sakura is threat, which he decides to protect, despite knowing, that killing her would be better for everyone, Miyu actualy "hope", which he decides take away from everyone, despite knowing, that her sacrifice could save a world. Simply put, in HF he decides protect "evil", in Prisma he decides BECOME "evil". Even simplier put, in HF he decides save girl, that's not worth of it. In Prisma he decides protect girl which is worth of it. In both cases he is aware of what their saving will cause.
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remake plz
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>>153684205

Arc best girl.
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>>153684172
>in HF he decides protect "evil",
He decides to protect the one he loves the most. He put Sakura above everyone and everything.
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>>153682657
>less obnoxious in HF
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>>153665640
>fucking secondaries will finally be able to say that they actually know the story of HF
>it will be that much harder to distinguish between secondaries and people who have actually read the VN

But holy fuck if they dont animate shirou vs kirei well I will kill myself
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>>153684377
>shinji

I think you've had a brainfart
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>>153684298
Yes, but you must put that from other's point of view. In HF for world Sakura is "evil". While in Prisma, Shirou himself becomes "evil".
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>>153684438
>never read the VN
>still hitposts on every fate thread just using repeating some plot points I read in previous fate threads
>fit in with my senpai primaries
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>>153684394
Does Rin have a neurosurgery license?
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>>153680126
>and the manga version of the first encounter with Sakura is almost H.

Honestly, if her treatment aroused you in anyway, you're on Gilles level of sick. Graphic as it was, that wasn't made to titilate unless you are depraved to the core.

A four year old in chains being choked and burrowed into by insects ain't exactly vanilla.
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>>153684591

Gil does. She could ask him.
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>>153684565
you are the worst type of person
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>>153684565
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>>153684457
I fucking ruined my post. I meant Shirou.
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>>153684565
I do the same.
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>>153684565

I read Hollow first, then Stay Night, then Zero. I am the only Fate Tertiary.

Reading Hollow first totally ruined most of Stay/Night's twists, by the way.
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>>153684892
Why in the fuck did you read HA first?

Did you understand literally anything?
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>>153683732
Even more hilarious, if you take on mind that Shirou's feelings for Sakura in Prisma are same as in HF.
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>>153684964

I was told the H-Scenes in HA were good, and decided to find out for myself. Of curse you have to read through everything first to unlock them.

I regret getting into Fate that way, because it ruined so many things.
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>>153684971
"haven of retreat"

;-;
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>>153684971

And yet he never got to tap that sweet ass.

Miyu Shirou's life is suffering.
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>>153685038
Wow you're an idiot.
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>>153684298

Not entirely. See, he was telling Rin not to give up and he wanted to save everyone on day 8 in the church, and at the end, went further than he needed to for everyone around him.

I mean hell, let's look at the situation objectively. Even at the church scene where you are making the first decision, Shirou's points are valid, even moreso for us readers who know Kirei was bullshitting the entire time. And further, if they wanted to be humane to Sakura, they should have gone ahead with the surgery and prayed she survived it, instead of playing into the sadist priest's hands of talking of euthanizing her.

The problem with the people against Sakura in the debates we have with HF is that they don't think or notice the simple fact is that it's not really a morale debate when the protagonists were being tricked the entire time. Zouken literally tells you to kill Sakura and says it's for her own good and you should do it. Regardless to how you feel about the girl, it should be big neon flashes of warning going on in your head that the guy who started all this is pretending to be a caring "grandfather", yet there are people who unironically think killing Sakura is for the best even upon see that tripe and him basically admitting he was trying to troll you in Chess to Hassan.
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>>153685074
Well, he actually had chance. It was his own choice to go imouto route.
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>>153685134
What does that have to do with what they were talking about? The point is that in each case Shirou decides to forsake the many for the well being of his loved one.
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>>153685293
Point is what each heroine represents.
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>>153685210

Hiroyama basically set them up like tragic lovers. Sakura would have been his partner to help save Miyu if she hadn't been screwed over by that "blank" card.

You see that wedding ring on Sakura's finger Shirou is imagining? The man ships it.
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>>153685331
By each case I meant HF Shirou and Miyu world Shirou. Please follow the discussion. Nobody is talking about the heroines we're talking about Shirou.
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>>153685038
But still, I can't imagine you would find any of the character interactions or any of the scenes nearly as amusing (or understandable, even) without being exposed to the franchise before.

They don't even bother explaining magic, the grail war, or even specifics on the 5th war. They just jump straight into the fun. Did you find the story enjoyable or were you just anticipating the H-scenes?
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>>153685293
>forsake the many
>one of the main points of archer's character is to prove that shirou literally cannot save "the many" despite spending his whole life trying to do so

HF Shirou finally came to his senses instead of following his retarded dad's dream of being "an superhero"
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>>153685038

>he actually read HA first

Dude, that's like the worst possible scenario, along with watching Carnival Phantasm first.
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>>153685447

Some of the best stories are those where you're dumped in with no idea what's going on and have to piece it together as you go. And the character interactions were actually very interesting. Like apparently this Caster figure was an enemy once? Why was she an enemy? She seemed a pretty nice person, devoted to her husbando. After the first hour or so things got so interesting I completely forgot I started it to see the porn.
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>>153685531
Did I claim otherwise?
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>>153685424
Me too. Shirou is fully aware of what Sakura and Miyu represents. And that make motivations behind his decisions in each "route" little different.
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>>153685116
Probably biggest fatality in Prisma so far.
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>>153685584
>Some of the best stories are those where you're dumped in with no idea what's going on and you have to piece it together as you go.

Alright, fair enough. I've experienced that before so I understand where youre coming from. Hopefully you were still able to find the original VN enjoyable once you got around it it.

At least you have one of a more interesting stories on how you got into fatefaggotry
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>>153685780

She came back though.
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>>153685780
Does the brown loli dies? I stopped watching when she was introduced.
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>>153685584
What were your impressions of Saber, Rin and Sakura?
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>>153685852
Not really, if she is doll.
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>>153686085

On reading HA? Sakura was a sweet girl who'd gone through some past trauma. Rin was an intelligent, slightly wicked and no-nonsense person with a bit of a sadistic streak. Saber was a carefree and slightly careless girl who could suddenly turn into an absolute badass.

Thinking on it now it's weird getting your first impression of characters after all of their actual character development is done. You're stating from the tail end and working your way backwards.
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>>153665640
>September 30
So Prisma HF will actually come out first? Glorious.
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>>153685854
Nope, and hope that she never will.
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>>153686290
Yes.
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>>153686319

What kind of future does she really have? How long will she last? Will she age? Does she have any hope at all of a normal life?
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Heaven's feel was announced 3 fucking years ago? Where has my life gone?
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>>153686600

Into the Maelstrom that is /a/. So many threads come and gone. So many shitposts lost to time. Soon this thread will go the same way, and so on and so forth forever.
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>>153686600
Welcome to /a/.
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>>153686543
>How long will she last?
She will live as long as will get mana from people.
>Will she age?
Since she was incarnated, then yes.
>Does she have any hope at all of a normal life?
She is essentially stucked to be somewhere around Illya or Miyu, which give her exact mana account which she needs. As long they will be there, she can live normal relatively life. If not, then she will be forced to start kissing (or worse) all people around to get enough mana for living.
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>>153686600

The real shock is that Sakura's VA has married, had a kid, and the kid will likely be going on 3 years old by the time the movies are all out. Maybe even kindergarten.
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>>153686905
>She is essentially stucked to be somewhere around Illya or Miyu, which give her exact mana account which she needs. As long they will be there, she can live normal relatively life. If not, then she will be forced to start kissing (or worse) all people around to get enough mana for living.

And that's really the main thing holding her back from having a normal (Or normalish) life.

It doesn't seem like she'll actually still be there by the end of Prisma. She always seems to have been set up for some heroic sacrifice at some point. And honestly, only she could pull that off.
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>>153686972
I hope ufotable recorded all the lines before she goes on leave for a few years.
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Heavens' Feel will air almost three years apart from the day UBW first aired.

Remember when we thought they'd come back to back?
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>>153686995
>Implying that Illya, Miyu and Kuro don't end in magic girl threesome.
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>>153687348

The chances of that happening as as much as actually getting a proper kiss between Rin and Luvia.
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>>153687415
Well.....
https://a.pomf.cat/dksxrv.webm
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>>153687680

That's not a real kiss.
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>>153685046

This was something he has said since the beginning back in FSN. He hates people in his kitchen, but he enjoys cooking with Sakura, both in FSN and Hollow he said she made his house warmer, made it feel like a home.

Not even getting to how he gives her Kiritsugu's key. Her being an important refuge for him, family without being blood related, all of that.

I guess it's why Sakura always has the tragic angle, because Nasu and others know she really has a special place for Shirou, so familiar he almost takes advantage of her always being there. But damn, it hurts when people go for the tragic love. Let those crazy kids be partners and have wild adventures and passionate love for once. Sadly, the only timeline I think I've seen Sakura have a decent upbringing is Apocrypha, and that was a side note.
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>>153686246
Rin's characterization in HA was awful. I'm glad she was never like that in any of the later works.

Really could tell it was written by a bunch of people who weren't Nasu.
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>>153685531
Archer was wrong in the end though? Like, why would you even bring him up? He ended up agreeing with Shirou's perspective.

No, you can't save everyone, but wanting to help people isn't wrong.
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>>153687779

Depends on what you mean, it's certainly more in character than you'd see in stuff like Carnival Phantasm.

You got some good stuff with her mentoring Shirou in magecraft and teaching him how she brews the concoction that staves off the pain of her crest, among other nice tidbits.
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>>153688098
The biggest issue is they turn the tsundere act up to 11. It was really jarring. Like, suddenly she's beating up people left and right, when the worst she did in FSN, was throw an eraser at Shirou's head.

And that's in an optional scene!

I know a lot of it is to play up the comedy, but for me, it fundamentally turned me off, since one of the things I really liked about Rin was that she was a very tsundere.
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>>153684230
>Implying Arc is best girl

Your waifu is shit and you should feel like shit.
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>>153688188

One of the only things they could really do with RIn was play up the Tsundere. It's what happened with Extra Rin, and pretty much all other Rin clones as well.
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>>153688188
a very reasonable tsundere*

I feel like it was probably a result of the time it was written though. This was during the time when the whole "Rie" tsundere thing was in vogue, where you had a super exaggerated violent female heroine in a lot of works.
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>>153688221

I like a girl with curves, not one who's as flat as a board, thank you very much.
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>>153678570
They did explain it. She shared her family Crest with him to power up his mana pool.

I don't remember any lewd things in fate besides that weird pose Saber was in when caster captured her
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>>153688288
>I don't remember any lewd things in fate besides that weird pose Saber was in when caster captured her

You must have read Realta, because I remember Rin lezzing out on Saber just after they escaped Berserker.
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>>153685293

Again, the framework of the argument is loaded. In the case with Sakura, he had little information and was being actively tricked, she herself was not a pure threat, she became a threat because the situation became more fucked up, precisely because the real truth of the grail isn't known to the heroes. Had they known of AM and the way to the cavern from the get go, Sakura being hooked to it would be irrelevant if you destroyed the ritual circle. So her being "evil" is dubious.

In the case with Miyu, you can say something similiar. The Ainsworths are grasping at literally anything they can think of to save the world, including enslaving someone as a living martyr.

In both cases, "Justice" is prosecuting someone who SHOULD be protected once the facts are laid out. It's asking someone else to pay the ultimate price for you. Therefore Shirou's actions are understandable.
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>>153688227
Extra Rin is literally an entirely different character from regular Rin. She's that universe's Rin's niece.

Carnival Phantasm and Prisma definitely don't amp Rin up in the way she was in HA either. Don't get me wrong, there are some good scenes, but far too many where she just randomly beats on people. It's counter-intuitive to her character.
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>>153678570
There are things about the Realta Mana transfer that I actually like though. Sharing memories, and Shirou learning about the high jump is actually really neat. Not to mention the actual sex scene in UBW is pretty bad.

I don't know, I like the idea of them having this climactic romantic scene before the big final battle, but I think a mix of the two versions we have would be ideal. A way less awkward sex scene, that has both of them sharing memories through some magi bullshit.
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>>153688452
Stuff he doesn't know about isn't relevant when talking about the choice itself though. Like us all, can only make his choice with the best of his abilities and knowledge at that point in time.
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>>153688336
I don't remember Rin liking anyone but Shirou in the anime.
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>>153688759
In the Fate route, there's a sex scene where Shirou, Rin, and Saber have a threesome.
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>>153688477

Carnival Phantasm was noted, even by Rin fans as being overblown on the Rin being bad with tech stuff.

And Rin wiggling out and being confrontational isn't a new thing. Being like the overbearing type is her thing.

I especially enjoyed Future Dere Rin, I know that scene was likely done purposefully by Nasu. Ironic that the current Rin mistakes her for Sakura.
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>>153688819
It didn't happen in the anime so it's not canon.

All the porn scenes in the porno game are basically just fanfic
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>>153688759

In the anime, yes. In the VN Rin is Bisexual with a thing for both Saber and Rider.
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>>153688967
More canon than you are, nerd
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>>153687415
You should also don't forget that Prisma is essentially Fate variation on Nanoha, and you know how girls ended here, despite all death flags.
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>>153688846
Rin being bad with tech is a cute little addendum to her character, since it makes fun of how magi are old fashion, and out of step with modern technology.

>And Rin wiggling out and being confrontational isn't a new thing. Being like the overbearing type is her thing.

...No? Most every time she gets 'confrontational' there's a good reason behind it all. The most arguable is with Sakura, but there are some deeply rooted issues there between them, that eventually get worked out.

Stuff like Shirou though? Her getting annoyed when he jumps into a fight between King Arthur and Hercules after literally already dying a couple hours earlier isn't unreasonable.
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>>153688846
>Ironic that the current Rin mistakes her for Sakura.
Well, that's no wonder. They are sisters after all. And their futures are set to mitigate the differences between them even more. I won't be surprised, if Sakura in same situation mistaken her future self for Rin.
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>>153688287
And I like intelligent women, not dumb airheads, but to each their own I suppose
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>>153689538

Tsuki Characters drawn in the classic Fate style looks best.
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>>153688754

Oh, but it is relevant. Because the choice that was given to him was a permanent one, where you are forcing someone to die.

The fact is, Shirou, even without having our insight, has credible reasons for why he did what he did. For one, Kirei is suspicious, and even Shirou who hardly doubts anyone, doubts him, and was actually right to do so. And Shirou sees Sakura's determination to help, because she brain stabbed herself and put herself in a coma when she saw he hurt him. Not exactly someone you just put down like a dog a few hours later just because.

The hard truth is that nothing would have been resolved had they killed her. The grail would still be corrupted, and she would be dead, and you'd still need to do something about AM. It's literally a throwing out the baby with the bath water thing.

Rin herself said she thinks that the grail war is likely fucked and the system itself is out of control, but she just stopped thinking because she went along with mage fundamentalism and proclaimed it would be vest for Sakura if she died, to protect some false sense of mage "dignity". She even mentioned maps her father had to the cavern.
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>>153674666
The one and true answer
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>>153689627
>Shirou has credible reasons for why he did what he did
Who was denying that?
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>>153681255
Where can I find this manga, without censure and complete??
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>>153689538
So you mean Kohaku on the left then, right?
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Honestly I wish I hadn't wasted my time going through all of the visual novel. What a shit franchise. Uninspired garbage.
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>>153689936

t. Zero fanboy

Go tip your fedora somewhere else.
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>>153682104
NO. Sakura-chan is perfection
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>>153689981
Nah Zero is shit too. Basically the same shit on a different day.
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>>153689071
>No? Most every time she gets 'confrontational' there's a good reason behind it all. The most arguable is with Sakura, but there are some deeply rooted issues there between them, that eventually get worked out.

She means well, but fucks up often. Needless to say, if there is anyone to thank for closing the distance between them, it's Shirou and Sakura's ability to move on, because she was the one actually trying to curb the estrangement.

And in Shirou's case, she never needed to fight him to help him understand. Nearly melting him with Gandr is not the way to get the point across.
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>>153690168
It's funny you mention the gandr scene, since if you lose that in the VN, it's leads to one of the least 'bad' bad ends, you know that, right? Rin takes his command seals, and erases his memory of the grail war (something he knew for only about 36 hours). Then he goes on to live his life again.

If you actually look at everything that happens, what Rin does is pretty reasonable. She gets in over her head in a lot of things, but that has nothing to do with the pointlessly violent attitude she has in HA.

HA really was most likely just the writers caving into the fad of how to writing tsundere characters at the time. She was never like that in any later material.
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>>153684971
>Shirou loves Sakura
And water is wet anon
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>>153688288
>I don't remember any lewd things in fate besides that weird pose Saber was in when caster captured her

old fate animu had implied sex
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>>153689936
>spends 60+ hours of his life reading a visual novel he does not enjoy
>watches 10+ hours of an anime of the SAME franchise

Is this what they call autism?
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>>153679795
They just outsourced menial work like second keys and inbetweens. Ufo have their own in-house animators and freelance contacts for any big scenes.
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>>153686245
Sakura is Sakura
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>>153690001
We fucking need official Sakura x Rider symmdock. HF advertising would better to deliver something.
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>>153680424
Sakurafags are this desperate to not get BTFO.
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>>153691410
I think that if was Sakurafag, I would want sex scenes.
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>>153688188
Are you forgetting the time rin tried to murder him with magic?
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>>153691553
...When?
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>>153691682
Its been a while since I read it, but If I remember correctly, they had some sort of fight in the school somewhere in the fate route.
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>>153692024
Yeah, that's the gandr scene I'm talking about, and it's in UBW.

Rin does not try and murder Shirou in that scene. If you lose, it literally leads to one of the tamest bad ends in the VN. She takes his command seals, and wipes his memory of the grail war, which he's known about for all of a day and a half.
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>>153692174
It should be noted, that gandr shots in particular, don't kill you. They're basically stuns that can knock you out, and make you feel like you've got a cold for a little while. It says something that this is the main thing Rin uses to attack people with.
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>>153690378
What happened to Saber in that scenario? Rin couldn't maintain 2 servants and Saber would probably be really pissed at her for rubbing out Shirou, enough to kill even.
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>>153692262
We don't know, since the ending is never explored, but keep in mind, Saber hasn't exactly known Shirou for very long either. I don't know why she'd want to kill Rin, especially when she did no real harm towards her master.
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>>153691410
Rhinofags don't be so obvious
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please for the love of God , don't fuck up
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Heaven's Feels this, Prisma Illya that, don't fool yourselves anons, there is only one thing everyone agrees that would love to watch, even GO Fags

A new season of Carnival Phantasm
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>>153691160

But Sakura isn't bi anon.
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>>153693213
SEASON 4! SEASON 4!
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>>153693401
>implying that Sakura has not some things for Rider and vice versa
In any case you don't needs girls to be bi, for them doing symmdocking.
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>>153688967
Haven't been this bamboozled in a while
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>>153693213
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>>153693213
Season 4 will save anime when we most need it
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>>153693661

Sakura's straight as an arrow. Boobs and Vagina do nothing for her.
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>>153694127
Don't be so sure.
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>>153694378

There's zero evidence that Sakura is attracted to any girls at all. Hell, she's one of the few who doesn't want to ride Saber. Compare how she interacts with Saber to how Rin does.
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>>153694475
Not to argue the point but Sakura has been aroused by girls in exactly one canon scenario. Interestingly, it was Rin.
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>>153674666
>With Shitty Third-rate Animation
Everything you said is pointless.
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>>153694972
>Sakura has been aroused by girls in exactly one canon scenario. Interestingly, it was Rin.
This was exactly what I was pointing. Anyway, Sakura is attached to Rider, although not necessarily in sexual way, it's still enough for her to agree with some "girls' fun" between them if situation play for that. So symmdocking would be definitely in character.
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>tfw Prisma movie is shown, Shinji gets killed
>HF movie will kill Shinji again
Being Shinji is suffering
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>>153695205
You are talking about Ufotable or Silver Link? I cannot know, since both studios have same animation QUALITY.
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>>153695718
There is no life for him in "far side" routes.
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>>153695718
At least in Prisma he dies with dignity.
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>>153665640
Worms soon
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>>153694972

She and Rin are opposites in that when they get altered/possessed, their sexualties change. Regular Sakura is straight as an arrow. Altered Sakura is turned on by Rin. And on the reverse regular Rin is into girls, while her altered form isn't.
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>>153697961
Dude, stop pulling such nonsenses from your ass. You're embarrassing yourself.
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>Heaven's Feel
disgusting
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>>153688452
Sakura was a scapegoat. Same as Angra Mainyu. The evil source was humanity. This in itself destroys his rose tinted views of reality. Where was the justice in what happened to Sakura and Angra Mainyu? In all, the HF finale was about which scapegoat was allowed to live. As long as Angra lived, Sakura would die (her body would remain, but her mind and ego would be absorbed). This is why Kotomine and Shirou fought.
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>>153674354
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>Pedoma Ickya movie already irrelevant
Damn it's not even out yet and TM killed it.
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>>153693213
>A new season of Carnival Phantasm
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>>153688967
>anime
>canon
Kill yourself.
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>>153699193
You're not canon, anon.

I'm not canon.

Nothing is canon.
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>>153665776
Mana transfer through sex was officially retconned by Nasu. It's not gonna happen.
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>>153699390

Mana transfer through kissing still exists.
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>>153699390
>was officially retconned by Nasu
Actually it's still present even in Realta Nua version, just not used in key scenes for sake of rating.
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>>153699558
No, it's not. If you actually read the Saber route, you'll know her problem is resolved when Shirou transfers some of his circuits and she gets supplied prana afterward. She doesn't have a 'mana transfer'. Her second scene was simply a romantic emotional breakdown between them where they allowed themselves to be just Shirou and Arturia cuddling together under the futon and had shit to do with mana transfer. The relationship came out more romantic and more intimate than with the forced sex scenes, ironically.
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>>153699558
In the Realta Nua Fate route, Saber's mana problem gets fixed after the ritual with Shirou, it's not that she ever needs to 'exchange mana' again unlike the eroge version. It's pretty different. So their second scene is forced sex out convenience free and it's just about a star-crossed couple spilling their feelings. They kiss, held hands, sleep together holding hands (no sex), sharing a futon. This is the most romantic scene that Nasu ever wrote in FSN. Shirou even calls her Arturia.
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>>153699647
>>153699863
If you really readed Realta Nua, then you know, that "transfler via body fluids" still exist. Just within story they uses variants without sex.
>This is the most romantic scene that Nasu ever wrote in FSN.
This is subjective, but whatewer.
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>>153665640
>more chanting

Kill me now.
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>>153700138
I like Kajiura's music, but I'm not gonna deny that I was disappointed when I heard she'd be returning for HF. I found Fukasawa's contributions offered a lot more interesting variety, while still using some of the themes from Zero. I doubt we're gonna get the continuity he provided.

Still, I don't know. Maybe she'll give us something similar to KnK.
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>>153665640
>first 5 seconds of dialogue and Sakura is already talking about food
I can already tell they are going to fuck up her characterization.
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>>153700319
Sounds right on the money to me.
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>>153665640
Holy shit that comes out on my birthday. Is God trying to tell me something anons?
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>>153700347
Japs being obsessed with submissive waifus that can only think about cooking and cleaning for their man is the bane of their female characters.

I'm no feminist, but isn't Sakura's archetype kind of offensive to women? it's like she was made to service men and can only find meaning in being with one.
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>>153700623
>it's like she was made to service men and can only find meaning in being with one.
Sounds right on the money to me.
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>>153700623
I think literally everything in the fucking book you can say about Sakura- good or bad, has been said already.

But people will still keep going on, and on, and on...
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>ywn pump and dump Sakura with /a/
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>>153700623

Jap men want unthreatening women who will serve and service them. Independent woman make them scared and turn them into vegetable men or whatever they call themselves.
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>>153700848
Holy fuck I'm far from a wormslut lover, but take this shit back to tumblr or reddit or whatever place you came from.
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>>153665640
Hope this to flop on Boxoffice.
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>>153700917
Didn't like, the 2010 DEEN movie make like, a weird amount of money? I remember reading that somewhere.
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>>153700306
>while still using some of the themes from Zero
Actually Kajiura was still credited as "guest composer" for UBW anime. So those compositions were directly from her.
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>>153700917
It won't flop. It's Fate.
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>>153700993
True, though what I liked was that UBW's soundtrack built on what Zero had. I kinda doubt HF is gonna feature Fukasawa's Rin's theme, or the dozen other ideas he introduced.
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>>153701158
Well, there is no reason for Rin theme in HF.
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Hype a.f. tbqh.
Shame it's like 1 year until I'll actually get to watch. At least there's Apocrypha and Extra to keep busy in the meantime.
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>>153701273
Fukasawa wrote a theme for Sakura in UBW, though it was a subtle one, and I wouldn't blame Kajiura for starting over there.

Not using the main "Unlimited Blade Works" theme is fine too, cause, hey, it's not Unlimited Blade Works anymore, though I think it works perfectly fine as the general theme for Shirou. Archer had a theme, Illya had a great little theme, it was just a very diverse score.

Kajiura tends to be very monothematic, which isn't me discrediting her, that'd be like me discrediting Haydn, but she doesn't really write a lot of distinct and different melodies. Zero was really heavy on that main theme.
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>>153700803
Who the fuck eats oranges like that?
Zouken's worm Alzheimer's is getting to her.
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>>153665640
>Sudou credited for UBW as if he was the director
>Yuki Kajiura credited for UBW OST
Sasuga ANN.
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>>153695783
At least Ufotable actually have some skilled animators to fall back on unlike Silver Link which has to fully rely on freelance talent for any good animation. The last season of Prisma is what happens when the studio couldn't get any notable freelancer on board.
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>>153682657
>Rin is way less obnoxious in HF
Are we reading the same VN?
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>>153700993
She was credited as "Guest Composer" because UBW OST 1 had 2 Zero tracks.
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>>153702543
They were new recordings. Like, if you look at the notes for the first album, you can see the credits, but yeah, she mostly just contributed those two tracks.
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>>153684565
I like you more than FGOcucks at least.
Just an anon sowing and reaping chaos.
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>>153695718
>Shinji will be the first to die in Last Encore too
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why 3 movies? why not just make it a 24 ep series at that point?

I'm abit of a newfag but isn't Heaven's Feel the longest arc in the VN?
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>>153700011
>This is subjective, but whatewer.
They confess each other's feelings and insecurities under the moonlight and kiss. Shirou calls her by her name, thinks how placidly is to sleep with her resting on him, like a sword resting on her sheath. They cuddle holding hands. Fate route in Realta Nua is far more romantic.

> that "transfler via body fluids" still exist. Just within story they uses variants without sex.
You said for the sake of rating when Nasu simply added them originally because he thought he needed to hell and didn't like them or wrote them himself.
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>>153703849
the budget and excuses to animate less cooking and more rape, I guess
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We got trolled.

https://www.tohotheater.jp/theater/029/info/advanceticket.html

>※お詫び ご案内しておりました公開日は劇場の誤表記でございました。こちらの作品に関しましては公開日未定となっております。お客様にはご迷惑ご不便をお掛け致しまして誠に申し訳ございません。
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>>153704448
That seems to be about the advanced ticket sales which was a few days ago.
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>>153665640
It is really funny. The heaven's feel movies have taken such a long time coming out that i have gone from being a fate fan, to hating fate.
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>>153704448
決めるのは己等じゃないぜ
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>>153704574
They haven't taken a long time at all. Announced in 2014 for after the UBW series. UBW finished in 2015. Then ufotable took a year break (during each they decided on the format), and the trilogy starts this year.
You're a bit of a retard if you went from loving FSN to hating it, unless you mean the new Fate shit, which everyone sane hates. Still no reason why you shouldn't be excited for HF anyway.
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>>153704876
>the new Fate shit, which everyone sane hates
You clearly haven't researched the core story/lore of GO
It's a fuck sight better than CCC or HA or whatever
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>>153704964
Core story/lore doesn't make up for the rest of that garbage.
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>>153705120
You have just attacked your own argument.

>FSN VN
>lol the story and lore doesn't make up for the rest of this garbage
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>>153705202
Everything in FSN other than the central story and lore is not complete garbage though.
What kind of logic are you on, GOcuck. Why do you idiots always fall back to insulting FSN to put your mobile game in a better light.
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>>153705120

The plot is pretty trash Battle Academy shit that doesn't really feel like Fate at all and is drowning in jokey jokes. Plus a lot of the servants are pretty lame fanservice crap and most that do the gender swap don't even seem to make a pretense at justifying why.

That being said, Atilla is great. "The Huns discovered a lost superweapon in the ruins of a vanished civilization and she was such an incalculable badass that she unified their tribes into an army that could scorch the earth just so she could feed her insatiable desire to destroy entire civilizations," is a really fun idea for that legend.

And the cool thing is that Atilla is so fucking mysterious to the point that nobody knows where his name came from and there isn't a single first-hand account of his appearance or personality known to exist, its fine not really bothering to justify why the hero was Gender Swapped. Almost everything we know about Atilla is third-hand from the enemies who's shit he wrecked, why wouldn't they make up crap to hide the fact that a skinny waifu was the one who butchered them like cattle?
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>>153705307
>cuck
Fuck off crossboarder.
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Confirmed to be fake news.
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>>153705430

Really? Has the scourge of Fake News even hit Anime? Fuck the world if that's true.
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>>153705307
Never played GO in my life. Haven't looked at any of the fanservice shit. I've simply read/heard the text.

I'm a "primaryfag" and, yet, I will not hesitate to say that the only things that people tend to defend or even respect of the visual novel is its stories and characterizations. Nobody should want to speak of how great the character models were, or how well-produced the visuals for the fight scenes were. Nor will any speak of the numbing, insipid repetition of the same pieces of generally uninspired art - because the *story* is the significant factor.
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>>153705450
Illya was fine anon, Illya was fine.
;_;
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>>153705450

Like, would you not say the majority of the character designs in Fate are awesome? And the music? And frankly a lot of those fight scene visuals? Rider fighting Saber on the skyscrapper, Lancer fighting Archer in front of the church, Shirou and Gil inside the Bladeworks, Shirou and Rin at the school, Caster and Archer at the temple, Assassin and Saber on the stairs, there's a lot of ironic visuals in those scenes.
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>>153705496
Ilya wasn't relevant enough for me to say much on her. On the other hand, Tohsaka is present throughout the entire game, and she's got like four emotive sprites.
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>>153705577
There are more, but most of them admittedly are relatively similar, barring her "time to punch the autist" face. Still, the character models are fine and the fight "scenes" were par for the course back then.
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>>153705556

Ironic visuals? I need to sleep...
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Reminder that Shinji a best.
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>>153705556
I would agree to much of what you have said. Then:

Have you heard the soundtrack to GO? Have you seen Solomon, or Caster Gil, or Tiamat? Heard the voice acting which came with the work at its inception? Even some of the fight stuff in GO is fair at sight - example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-0r2PbxqNU

My point is that you should not allow the limited negative aspects of a work to poison your perception the work as a whole. I do not hate FSN, but I can see its weak points. I do not hate GO, but I can see its weak points. For a person to say that 'everyone sane' ought to hate an entire work, regardless of the work, is a unique madness.
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>>153705758

He looks like Ron Weasley.
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>>153705774
GO has high points but it's seriously bogged down by the majority of it being pure shit. Including most of its original designs, characters, events, and early plotlines.
FSN not only has fantastic high points, but the entire rest of it is pretty damn good and well rounded. Only less exciting part is all the setup in the Fate route.
GO should not have been made as it is, and it accomplished nothing but waste a few good ideas to make more money by being a gacha mobage. So yes, no one who genuinely likes the franchise would appreciate that they're taking it in that direction. Fuck you.

>>153705758
Yes!
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>>153705413
Funny coming from an obvious /vg/ crossboarder.
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>>153705774

Well, I'm a different anon than "everyone sane," guy. Like I said in a previous post, my biggest problem with Grand Order is that the tone and presentation of the work makes it feel more like Infinite Stratos than Fate. What I've seen of it seems to lack a certain feel, and the focus on the themes and motifs of the franchise is lax at best in favor of "cool things." I admit I've only seen parts of GO, but what I have makes me think they took the parts of Extra that were most like F/SN and/or Zero out and replaced them with Infinite Stratos or Irregular At Magical High School. That bugs me.

Fate Apocrypha has a lot of fanservice, some less than great Servant designs, and a plot that is several steps below those that came before it, but I'm a lot more willing to forgive its flaws and get into what its presenting because it absolutely FEELS like a Fate story, and its main focus is on those themes and motifs that made the franchise such a huge success. Also a new Saber, that always helps.
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>>153705950
> ... Fuck you.
One cannot help those who cannot love.
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>>153705413
>>153705984
How about the both of you fuck off, you're trying too hard to fit in.
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>>153706064
Take your trashy character back to /fgog/.
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>>153705984
That wasn't me retard. Go shitpost on another board.
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>>153706140
>trying too hard to fit in.
You're not trying hard enough. See, this can work both ways.
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>>153700623
>I'm no feminist, but isn't Sakura's archetype kind of offensive to women?

Why? Archer cooks and cleans for Rin. Sakura and Shirou compete with each other since Shirou taught her to cook in the first place.
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>>153700623

But Shirou likes cooking too, same as her. Plus, it isn't that she cooks jist for Shirou, she refines her skills and tries to compete with him. She also likes archery and practices faithfully even if Shirou never returns to the club and ends up being the president in her second year.

She is far from the stereotype of just liking something because the MC likes it.
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>>153706201
Exactly, so stop fucking witch hunting and actually discuss Fate.
>>153706206
If Sakura is offensive to women, then Shinji is offensive to men. Neither are offensive, they're just fictional characters.
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>>153706338
This is /a/ first and foremost faggot. If someone is cancerous I'll tell him to fuck off. If I bother you so much then follow your own advice and ignore me.
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>>153665776
The realta nua versions are the official canon FSN source material now so no sex
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>>153706206

Its also worth noting that Sakura is kind of (if everyone will forgive the word) a deconstruction of that kind of submissive wifey yamato nadeshiko character. Her love for Shirou is based at least partially on warped perceptions and rape trauma and self-loathing, the same way Shirou's desire to become a hero is based partially on his PTSD. She seems submissive but she actually has a fucking iron will and has endured a decade of torture and humiliation resisting Zouken prior to the plot happening, and she's constantly trying to be proactive in HF only for Shirou and Rin to shut her down because the worms make her a liability in the field, and the moment she gets the power to break the bonds keeping her passive she starts fucking up everyone's shit.

Her entire character arc from backstory to Happy Ending is about her coming to terms with the fact that she's a person who has been fucked up by horrible shit and reconciling which of her feelings that came from that were real and which ones were artificial constructs she used to escape from her problems and damage, same a Shirou. I would imagine that a lot of women would find Sakura's story very relatable and on some metrics empowering, even if its got certain elements that could have been done "better," by their reckoning.
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>>153706479
>even if its got certain elements that could have been done "better," by their reckoning.
Which would you say those are?
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>>153706586

I don't know, I'm not a woman so I wouldn't want to presume to fully step into one's shoes and see what they might find offensive, or at least less than ideal, about the character. Though I imagine they would find some things about her to be problematic, like the whole super sex drive thing maybe? Its definitely got at least a dash of wish fulfillment in there, making it so the only way to save the super hot girl from becoming evil is for the male POV character to give her all the dick you've got.

in b4 somebody calls me a cuck I'm guessing.
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>>153706696
Why do you even care if it's offensive? Go back to tumblr.
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>>153706812

I don't particularly care. I was speculating that based on my experience with the kinds of stories women find to be relatable and empowering, narratives which speak to how they see themselves in society, I would think there a lot who would find Sakura to be a relatable and in some ways empowering character. The secondary thought that some of them might find some parts of her to be offensive, or more likely to be like "this could have been done better," was a hedge at most.
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>>153706696
>I'm not a woman so I wouldn't want to presume to fully step into one's shoes
>presume
This is not your Facebook white knight friend group. Fuck off to ANN or something if you want to discuss offensiveness to women. Also,
>inb4
>cuck
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>>153706944
You're talking about crazy people not women in general. Women in general are people like you and I meaning that most of them are normalfags who's opinions don't matter.
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>>153707019

I wouldn't want a woman telling me what a man should find offensive about a male character's portrayal of specifically male social problems either you know. Life experience as a part of a given group within our society matters a lot when talking about whether something offends you or not, and there's nothing wrong with giving a degree of deference to others in that regard when they're talking about a character that they see their life reflected in.
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>>153707138
Why do you care about what normal people think? Where do you think you are exactly?
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>>153706479
>resisting
She took it all in her hungry cunt
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>>153707138
Yes anon, thank you for your soapbox. But when all is said and done you're talking about fictional characters in a fictional cartoon vn. Why would you even care if some random woman gets offended?
>>153707177
Exactly, some random normal woman. Who probably thinks all anime is hentai.
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>>153707177

Whatever, this got way off the original point I was making, which is that Sakura isn't actually a submissive waifu character, she just appears to be one the same way Shirou appears to be a generic shounen protagonist who loves JUSTICE. The reality is that they're both broken people who are going on journeys to understand the reality behind those masks.

Not that it matters much since this thread will autosage into oblivion shortly. At this point I'm just killing time.
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>>153707287
We're 160 posts away from bump limit.
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>https://www.tohotheater.jp/theater/029/info/advanceticket.html

公開日
2017年2月25日(土)

発売日
8月6日(土)~公開日前日までの販売です。

Yorokobe.
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>>153707439

Really? I didn't know it got increased here. Its still in the low-300 range on /tg/.
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>>153707225
More slutty Dark Sakura!!
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>>153707455
What's it mean senpai.
What's on the 25th.
Pre-sceening in August?
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>>153707515
Not him but I think it's just when you can start buying tickets in advance in limited quantity. While august is when you can start buying normal tickets or something.
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>>153707623
Oh. Lame.
March 2018 is when I'll get to watch it.
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>>153705447
The theatre guys who gave the release date are now saying they had a mix up and apologised. No date for release yet.
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>>153708240
Willing to bet that it wasn't a mix-up, and that somebody did it on purpose to be a dick.
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Release date was probably meant to be announced at AnimeJapan or something so now they're covering it up. Will probably still be around the same time.
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>>153708332
Knowing eleven work norms I'd say some social media guy cum extra janitor would get black listed from all anime/tv producing companies if that is the case.

>>153708379
My bet would be when the Type Moon magazine comes out. Although honestly I'd delay it by another two years if we could get the Tsuki remake out this year. I might then actually take the free Japanese course in my university to help with the translation.
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>>153701681
>Yuki Kajiura credited for UBW OST
Yes, she was "guest composer" for UBW. She codistributed those two track on OST:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYclMU0hl8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhYCtyOGnuM
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>>153710313
Sure, but the way the article puts it makes her seem like she had the same role in UBW as she will in HF.
Same for Sudou, who was just an episode director for UBW I believe.
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>>153704041
>Fate route in Realta Nua is far more romantic.
Any person sees romanticism different way. Fact that you like those parts most doesn't mean, that they are most romantic overall in whole novel. It's simply subjective thing.
>You said for the sake of rating
Regardless any other motivations, those changed were made primary to make story more accessible to a mass audience. And regardless of how well they were incorporated into story, their main reason for existence is still clearly visible.
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>>153704574
Still better than this.
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>>153665640
Is there any chance they will screen it outside Japan?
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>>153711498
I wouldn't count on it, it might get a showing in another Asian country but even that's a stretch.
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>>153711498
We're probably getting at least fan subs I imagine.
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>>153711627
Well shit.

Just have to settle with shitty camrips then, provided that is even possible nowadays.
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>>153711849
Yeah, but they're really shitty, as seen from Ordinal Scale's rips. I'd personally wait till we get the BD rips because it's Ufo, so that's another good half a year's wait.
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Reminder that Saber x Shirou is best Fate pairing.
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>he thinks the HF anime will be Realta Nua
Though, to be honest I'm hoping they can find some happy medium regarding the sex scenes between Sakura and Shirou.
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>>153706479
This is really good. It's unfortunate that this angle of Sakura is likely going to be lost in the ufotable adaptation like Shirou's was in UBW. There's a strong parallel in their relationship and only having 3 movies is likely going to end up with an enormous mess.
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>>153706479
>Sakura
>empowering female character
She took Shinji's dick and she liked it.
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>>153713196
No, she killed Shinji to protect her virginity. That's the new canon now.
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>>153712239
Just for Saberfags. All original authors agree that Shirou is much better match with either Rin or Sakura. Saber at most is good as fight buddy.
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>>153682004
Shinji is unironically my favorite character from the VN
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>>153713038
No single way. You will get hot blood drinking at most.
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>>153713425
He's underrated for sure.
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>>153711307
This is what production hell looks like, those are the lines of unachieved ambitions and the colors of broken dream. A fleeting hope, that was destined to save a stale company.

Im mad.
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>>153713498
>let's die together once in a while
doesn't he know that people die when they're killed
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>>153665640
Will we finally get a proper dark Sakura dress or will it be another shitty bondage gear ?
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>>153713406
Saber is at her best as a sort of mother figure.
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>>153713196
Unless they plan on retconning Shinji being a rapist piece of shit, this scene is going to look very creepy in retrospective.
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>>153713613
Why Takeuchi sucks so much at drawing his own characters? Look at her feet here wtf.
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>>153713406
Saber is best lover and companion, Sakura is best housewife, Rin is best bro.
>>153713613
They closely followed the original material for UBW and even added more to the lore, now wether everything that was added is good or not it another question, but at least we won't get greek temples and bondage gear.
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>>153713714
Shinji did nothing wrong. Sakura literally needed cock to live.
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>>153713874
If you say so Shinji, you still suck at magic and are a genetic dead end for your family.
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>>153713943
Delete this right now.
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Saberfags ruins everything
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>>153714058
Your tears sustain me.
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>>153714177
Saber pleasures old wizards for plot devices, disgusting.
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>>153682004
Reminder that Shinji won the Sakurabowl in UBW.
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>>153713858
>Saber is best bro and companion, Sakura is best housewife, Rin is best wife.
Corrected for you.
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>>153682895

In other words, Shirou a shit
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>>153665640
what happens after everone realizes that the 1st movie will be boring as shit? all those filthy secondaries who make about 80% of the fate fandom now will lose interest pretty fast
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>>153714790
HF is the route where the most things happen though.
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>>153715870
Not in the beginning, and the route is being made into three separate films. What could possibly be made to occur in this first one, beyond cooking?
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>>153713874
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>>153716031
Rider getting BTFO by Saber, Gilgamesh in casual clothes, introduction of Matou Zouken, Lancer vs Assassin and Angra Mainyuu foreshadowing, and maybe Sakura's "dream". Also isn't there a scene with Caster early on ?
And maybe Tohsaka's anus ?

I don't remember much, but a lot do happen. It's just that there also a lot of cooking.
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>>153714790
They could change a bit the order in which things happen.
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When does the encounter where Rider is defeated and Zouken saves Shinji? Doesn't that happen early on?
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>>153716227
The point of that reply to the OP was (presumably) that those things aren't interesting or exciting enough to retain an audience for the second or third film.

It will likely be standstill in comparison to Zero or UBW, hence the "secondary" audience are unlikely to stand by it.
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>>153685334
Will Miyu Shirou see Illyaverse Sakura for that sweet sweet suffering?
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>>153716399
You could use that logic for the KnK movies too. The first one was the most boring of them all and that didn't stop them from making the others and it wasn't a failure.
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>>153716399
They can make the ending some cliffhanger to make everyone feel like they NEED to watch what happens next
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>>153716399
That depends on a lot of things. The difference between the medium, the adaptation choices, pacing and potential original content (wich was a thing in UBW) will have a big impact on the story.
And I don't think anyone really care for the secondaries. UBW had nods to Zero mostly to keep an internal consistency. If you look at the amount of fanservice in UBW, it's obvious that the movie will be aimed at japanese Fate fans and not westerners secondaries.
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>Heaven's Feel is getting animated
It only took 30 years

How are they going to skip right past Archer and Gilgamesh developments? The VN expects you already know their story by the time you get to HF
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>>153716724
I think that when he said secondaries he was talking about the Japanese ones, the West doesn't matter in this. Fate is very popular in Japan but technically most of the people aware of it are secondary casual anime fans.
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>>153716724
I think it may be presumptuous to say that all Eastern fans are "primaries" and that all Western fans are "secondaries".

Beyond that, I think you also underestimate the number of these so-called "secondaries", and their significance to a film's revenue. I reach for a metaphor to clarify my point, but I find myself unable to produce a fitting one.
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>>153716976

By watching UBW.
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>>153713406

Saber x Shirou x Rin is better though. Polyamorous threesome all the way.
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>>153717008
>>153716986
My point is that most of western fans are secondaries only because the game wasn't released in the west and the simple fact that eroge aren't really a western thing.
That's not the case in Japan.

Really I don't know what to tell you. Look at Kizumonogatari. It did really bad and yet all the movies got released. I don't think japanese secondaries will be pushed away by the slow pacing of the movies, especially since it's the ultimate Fate/Stay Night anime adaptation, something you can't afford to miss if you never played the game and want to witness the last part of Fate/Stay Night.
And even if secondaries drop the movies for whatever reason, it'll most likely get carried by the fans. And even they don't, the movies will still be made cause production agendas (unless the first movie tank horribly or something).

Worrying about secondaries is pointless.

>>153716976
Yeah, it would have been nice if they made a UBW anime 3 years ago or something. Then they could watch it before going to see Heaven's Feel.
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>>153717176
>>153717400
HF is not a sequel

Unless they plan on only doing a 5 min recap by Ilya or some other narrator
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>>153717515
You're seeing problems where there are none. They don't need to do anything.
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>>153717176
Bullshit like this is why i hate f/sn.
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>>153717515

UBW may not be a sequel but it's obvious you should watch it first, it's common sense.
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>>153717780
Why? Why is it surprising that they expect the secondaries who will watch HF's movies to have seen the UBW series?
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>there are people that actually like Sakura
what is wrong with you people
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>there are people that actually hate Sakura
what is wrong with you people
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>>153701361
>Kajiura tends to be very monothematic, which isn't me discrediting her, that'd be like me discrediting Haydn, but she doesn't really write a lot of distinct and different melodies. Zero was really heavy on that main theme.

And Zero was just one anime. Madoka has multiple themes through the series. KnK had a series main theme, main theme and a particular sfx for each movie.

Most of the times, the director or sound director will decide if a character gets a theme or leitmotif, and if it needs more rearrangements.
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>>153717993
The people who made UBW and Heaven's feel should all be put out of work. They do not know how to adapt a story. A adaptation should stand on it's own and not rely on any side material at all. Making multiple of these 1/3 adaptations of one single story is flat out unprofessional and unacceptable. These things are not adaptations, they are but mere fanservice for the fans of the game. They fail miserably as their own thing, and thus are not good.
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>>153718992
People make products to sell them. If making the adaptations for the fans of the games is what is going to make them money then that's what they're going to do. I don't even agree with you but what you're saying is wrong from the start.
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>there are people that actually are neutral towards Sakura
what is wrong with you people
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>>153717643
>no recap
>wtf is Archer and Gilgamesh?????

>recap
>wtf why are we rewatching UBW
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>>153719273
How is this a problem or new?
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So is the first movie just gonna be boring setup? The start of HF was slow as fuck.
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>>153719448
Are you the guy who just repeats what people said in previous threads, faking to have read the vn?
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>>153718992
You know that you don't need to watch anything to understand UBW right ? And it'll probably be the same for Heaven's Feel. You don't know how the movie will turn out to be anon.

However it's true that both of these things are two routes from the same game. Saying that an adaptation of one route shouldn't rely of what happened in the other route is fucking retarded. It's like saying that the sequel to a movie should stand entirely on it's own, it has to some extent but it doesn't need to be 100% stand alone.

>>153719273
Archer won't seem strange at all without any kind of recap since he still has a lot of interactions with the rest of the cast, Gilgamesh is a different story but you can easily imagine a few scenes to make newcomers understand that he's supposed to be a big deal, especially since HF focus on the Matou family. Wich is the only thing you really need to know about him in HF.
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>>153719648
Nah anon, I've read through the whole thing.
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>>153719956
Looks like you probably just downloaded a completed save file.
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>>153719781
But this is not even a sequel. Making multiple half stories makes said stories bad. Like for example Kirei in UBW. He has like 3 scenes, then a big villain reveal, and then he is killed off. Sure he has a greater part in the two spinoff's (Idk what else to call the other fate routes, since their are neither sequels nor remakes), but that doesn't change the fact that his inclusion in UBW was unnecessary and badly handled (mostly because the fanbase will have an autistic episode if a single letter from their holy scripture is changed in an adaptation, even tho changes make adaptations better). UBW is it's own anime, it has a beginning and an end, but multiple plot points and characters are forgotten about or discarded, because you should watch a spinoff or read a book to find out about them. And that is just plain lazy writing. Sacrificing the quality of your anime to please the nerds and thus ending up with a product that can only be described as: incomplete.
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>>153720104
Meh. If that doesn't convince you, nothing will.
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>>153720352
Too bad for you. TM has already tried what you're suggesting before and it failed twice.
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reposting from other Fate thread:
I downloaded the Fate Stay Night VN from mofumoe and the entire folder is 2.8gb.
Does anyone know if this only includes the Fate route?
I know the other routes won't be accessible from the get-go but I don't want to finish Fate and not have UBW or HF
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>>153720604
I checked and that's how big mine is so yes.
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>>153720670
I meant "yes" as in it's the whole VN. I awkwardly answered your question there.
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>>153720604
Did you get the realta nua version? They should be all be accessible whenever.
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>>153720712
I think it might be the realta nua version but when/where would I be able to choose the routes?
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>>153689766
Nowhere.
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>>153720763
That not Realta Nua, mirror moon didn't translate that one. Don't worry about it though, you'll just read the original H version.
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>>153720861
>you'll just read the original H version
oh boy
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>>153720352
You're reaching anon. Kirei only has a few scenes, and so what ? It's the same in Fate, he only is really developped in HF, so UBW don't expect you to know anything about him, he still has to appear and be dealt with because he's still Gilgamesh's master, the story can't be closed if something isn't done about him. You're not making a point about UBW not being standalone, you're really just complaining about UBW's writing at this point (wich is fair I would say).

To me it sounds like you watched Zero, then watched UBW and were surprised that UBW didn't include everything from Zero. Wich is normal since 70% of what Zero builds on comes from...Heaven's Feel.

I liked Zero, but making it the first Ufotable adaptation really was a mistake.

And then again. You DON'T KNOW how HF will be handled.
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I want to watch Carnival Phantasm but I'm too lazy to finish Tsukihime. What do?
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>>153720896

What's wrong with the original? That it has icky gross sex in it?
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>faggots don't understand that the primary audience who will fund this movie has long read the VN, and that nips don't give a fuck about spoilers in general
Stop applying your western standarts. No, it doesn't need to "stand alone", it's all about multi-media experiences now. As long as it's well done and people like it, who cares if it appeals to secondaries by telling a "complete story" on its own.

>>153720352
You're a special kind of retard. No, it does not mean "lazy writing" or "sacrificing its quality" when it's just adapting the 2nd part of a 3 part story, the 1st of which was done in 2006 and the 3rd is already planned. How is this hard to comprehend, did you not need the VN? It's a finished little story, but not every question about the universe and characters is answered in it, which is fine because they're in the other parts. Equating Fate and HF to "spin-offs" of UBW is fucking retarded, they're all one package.
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>>153720961
Finish Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya and then Melty Blood. Don't forget to read notes and DDD or you won't get all(0,2%) the references.
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Pretty sure whoever wrote that new movie "A Cure for Wellness" read Heaven's Feel. It's literally WORMS except instead of worms, it's eels.
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>>153720963
Nothing at all. If anything it was a sort of excited "oh boy"
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>>153720763
>>153720896
>>153720604
Try to get the Realta Nua patch if you can, it adds new scenes and CGs. Personally I prefer the game with sex scenes, they aren't the best but thematically they works better with the kind of universe Fate is.
The routes have to be completed in order (Fate unlock the choice for UBW wich unlock the choice for HF), at the end of each route you'll have a scene telling you what to do in order to trigger the next one.
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>>153720961
Finish Tsukihime if you don't wanna be a secondary. It's a pretty core part of the Nasuverse, Fatefags who can't even read that and KT are arguably the worst kind.
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>>153721109
Okay anon. But I refuse to touch HA til it's voiced.
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>visit /a/ for the first time in years
>fate thread
>it has an ANN link and text
>it has the wrong date for the movie
>le dicks and mapo tofu xD

yup, this is why I left this place

see you again in 2019
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>>153721178
It also has the correction in the thread.
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>>153721152
>hasn't even read fucking HA at this point
>over 2 years since our Guardian and savior gamecreater16 sacrificed his afterlife for us
Have fun waiting then. Maybe by the time Tsukihime Rebirth is done and translated, that'll be done.
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>>153721178
>can't be bothered to read the thread before posting
You won't be missed.
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>>153721291
you wouldn't be missed either dummy
this