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Does your favorite Mangaka follow this rule?
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>>153621932
It's pretty easy to brag about that when there's very little race overlap.
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>>153621932
off course
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>>153621932
Her art is simply godly. So much thought for each and every aspect of the manga, even for small details.
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SEE? SHE IS HALF DRAGON NOW I KNEW IT
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>>153623018
Huh, I figured their age difference was more. I guess it's just Laius being naturally tall.
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>>153623202
Well, he is a man, she is a woman.
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>>153623227
No but I mean, he looked more like 15 or 16 to me in the flashback while she did look around 10.
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>>153623018
I fucking love downturned eyes.
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>>153622817
Will we ever see Sex-Hair Elf again?
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>>153621932
Where did you find this OP?
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>>153623689
>(0d ago)
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>>153622817
Is that halfling a boy or a girl
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>>153623018
teen laius was such a pretty boy
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>>153624363
more
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this is pretty cute
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>>153624426
doesnt matter, still cute either way
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>>153624931
Damn.

The Tances are good people. ;_;
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>>153624850
So why are kobolds dog men in Japan?
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>>153625016
Gnomes are not good people.
There is a reason they were removed from the set of playable races.
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>>153625033
>in Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobold_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)#Ecology
>In their original appearance in the canon, kobolds were described as dog-like humanoids
It's not just their appearance either.
Their voice is described as yapping like a dog and their smell is "wet dog".
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>>153624931
Awwwww
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>>153625138
But they were drawn with lizardlike scales, and the art stuck in people's minds more than the text, then there was the whole relationship with dragons, and that's how we got modern kobolds as tiny dragonaboo lizardmen
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>>153622817
braids are sex
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>>153622817
this, so much

Actual thought being put into design and a distinctive style is the best

I really dislike the generic 'mmorpg fantasy' look like what you see in re:zero and konosuba

Dungeon Meshi saved weeb fantasy for me
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>>153625259
Heres the cool thing about fantasy races. They dont exist so you can do anything you want with them!

Why when I was coming up with a fantasy setting, I came up with the idea of turning werewolves into giant spirits made of fog.
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>>153625582
Why call them werewolves then?
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>>153625682
Cause they are humans who were transformed into wild animal spirits as punishment. I wanted to make them out to be like forces of nature, giant banks of rolling fog with a snarling wolf head peaking from it and paws slamming down on the ground as it moved. It also came with the idea that those who breathed in the werewolf's fog turned into lesser lycans, which were the actual hairy beast men of common myth.
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>>153625582
My special snowflake werewolves are just people with magic potential that grew up in dead magic zones.
The magical energy, being unable to leave the body, accumulates in it and slowly changes it. The greater their magic potential is, the more they have to work out every day so that their organs can withstand the forces acting on them. But they usually die around the age of 30-40 because of organ failure. In their society, people without magic potential are trained as sages because they are the only ones who can become actually old.
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>>153625926
>Lethal magic
Wow, thats actually a neat idea. All the magic in my setting revolved around the concept of True Naming, really everything did, I adore the concept so pretty much everything in the setting was built upon it. From the creation of the world, to how dragons breath fire, and countless other things.
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>>153623018
Why is she blushing when holding her brother's arm?
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>>153626140
I know that look.
It's a "don't even try to seduce my brother. He belongs to me" kind of look.
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>>153626169
I WANT TO BELIEVE.
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>>153626140
A few of her characters have flushed faces just as default
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>>153625582
or if you were actually creative and not a hack you would come up with a new term for your new creature.
WOW SO HARD.

there are established terms and names for things for a reason, and while some variation is fine, going too far outside of that variation makes that no longer the same thing.
Ship of Theseus
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>>153621932
I think he does.
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>>153626140
Because that one flashback of hers felt oddly similar to that scene in the first chapter of fire punch.
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>>153626296
Well you got a point, or, you know, I could just not care and do what I want. These are concepts that don't exist, getting mad at people for taking pre-existing ideas and turning them into something different is pointless, otherwise you should get angry at Disney and the entirety of the Christian religion.

Werewolf means Man Wolf. My concept is a man being turned into a wolf, as is every form of werewolf, only the final product is not strictly a wolf.
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>>153626296
But what's the point in fantasy if you're going to just repeat the same genre conventions that thousands of authors have done before you? Keeping the same name while changing radical features of an element of the setting provides a cultural context that isn't there when you give it an original name, and that cultural context can be used to enhance the quality of the story. Example number one of this is Lord of the Rings and elves, which was so powerful that it completely redefined the "established terms and names" of creatures that were mostly known as amoral creatures of the night. "Established terms and names" are fluid, and by reinterpreting them you can wind up with a stronger story than if you just go with the "correct" version.
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>>153626419
Except Laius is pure and Agni really is a siscon.
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Poor halflings.
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>>153626594
why not just make something original?
why do you have to reuse those same genre conventions?
you can make great fantasy without relying on pre-existing races and their respective cultures
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>>153626296
>Fairies now a days are cute, sweet, playful and helpful little people, usually girls, who flit about and sparkle
>Fairies in the past were horrible little monsters who joyed in ruining people's lives just for shits and giggles

>Elves nowadays are gorgeous, tall, long eared people who are always powerful and magical
>Elves in the old days were tiny folk who got joy out of building shit for humans or making stuff

>Dragons nowadays are large, winged reptiles, majestic and powerful, who can hold great knowledge, immense treasures, and great pride
>Dragons in the old days

Wow it's almost like every modern day conceptualized creature is actually completely different from it's origins
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>>153626776
Because it's also a test in creativity. Taking pre-established concepts and ideas and trying to see how you can make them new and different. Thats originally where my setting idea came from to begin with, changing normal conventional fantasy ideas, and from there countless things sprung up and changed.
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>>153621932
to be honest, it's easy so long as the hair and face are different
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>>153626776
That's exactly what Tolkien did. Everything about his elves was original, aside from the fact that they were long-lived beings who lived away from human civilization. He just called them "elves" because there was a cultural context associated with that name which was convenient for the story- people would read "elves", think "oh, those things that steal children and replace them with changelings", and then have their presumptions challenged when they encountered the elves proper in the story. Thus a stronger story was created. Unfortunately this aspect of the story is lost on most modern readers because Tolkien's version was so goddamn popular.
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>>153623018
I think of it as more fucked up, like she's being eaten by the dragon.
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>>153626779
This is what annoys me the most about people who insist on calling two-legged dragons "wyverns". It's the ultimate in pedantry because it's being pedantic about something that doesn't exist and still being incorrect.
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>>153626779
Why do they wear crowns?
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>>153627070

Because it looks cool, just like at that one guy's swag sword.
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>>153627018
it just looks like a onesie to me
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>>153626779
wow its like they never should have done that because they are no longer the same creatures

>>153627004
and he could have just never used the name elves and everything would have be just dandy because those werent elves
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>>153626779
>fairies in the old days were magical tiny people
>fairies now are magical tiny people

>dragons in the old days were big winged lizards
>dragons today are big winged lizards.

>vampires then were people who drank blood
>vampires today are people who drink blood

I mean for the most part things haven't changed as much as you like to say. Yes, cases like tolkien's elves happen, but not everyone is a tolkien: see the Sparkly Vampires from twilight. Change tends to be gradual and natural, forcing a big difference for no real reason needs to be done very well or it'll be forgettable.
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In threads like these, we find out how shitty and uncreative most burgers and yuropoors are and why anime and mangas sell so much more than comic and their shitty cartoons ever will.
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>>153621932
>Western standards
Who gives a shit about your shitty cartoon artists?
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You should be able to tell the characters apart by their bust size and ear position.
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>>153626140
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>>153627347
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but fairies, elves and gnomes were more or less the same thing in different cultures, which got later differentiated? In a sense, Gnomes are now what elves used to be?
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>>153627347
Vampires weren't destroyed by sunlight until Hollywood movies needed a non-graphically violent way of killing them, and two hundred years ago they were closer to what we call zombies, without the focus on sucking blood. Most of what we call "vampire" happened because of first the novel Dracula and then the movie Nosferatu.

Also, dragons weren't always big, see pic related.
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>>153626751
Halflings, when will they learn?
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>>153627070
It might be related to Satan, since when the world ends Satan is supposed to appear as a seven headed dragon wearing crowns
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>>153627526
Pretty much. All those things were pretty much all just Fey, which were full of horrible cunts and nice little helpers.
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>>153627347
The only difference is that most people with their unique ideas don't get hugely popular.
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>>153627557
That's pretty big regardless. Anyway, you're just building on what I said: change happens, it's gradual and it takes a long time or a wildly popular work to get absorbed into the cultural icons. I'm not saying change shouldn't be attempted, but most attempts for total overhauls end up laughable.

Also:

>A former peasant, Jure died in 1656. However, local villagers claimed he returned from the dead and began drinking blood from the people and sexually harassing his widow.

Sounds like a pretty standard vampire, almost 400 years ago.
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>>153627557
Vampires weren't even that powerful until some writer decided to fanwank them hard and then these days, we don't take vampires seriously anymore thanks to teenage girls.

Hell, in Asia, vampires are even more comedic.

They can only hop around instead of walking normally.
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>>153627557
This is just a picture of some guy on a horse killing some other guy's dog. Seriously it is on a leash why are you stabbing it with your spear.
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>>153627298
Ever heard of Degirgu? Or perhaps feydels?

How about Big Foot?

I wonder which term I should use to describe my large hairy man-ape that lives in the forest...
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>>153627781
>why are you stabbing it with your spear.
Because it's too low to be sliced with the sword.
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>>153627557
>Dragons weren't always big
The life of a dragonslayer is a weary, thankless one.
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>>153627760
I didn't say that vampires didn't drink blood until Dracula, just that drinking blood wasn't their exclusive deal. Witches and ghouls and other creatures of the night were also said to drink or bathe in blood sometimes, and vampires were just another type of generic undead until Dracula happened.
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>>153627347
Vampires in old days actually came in all kinds of flavors. Some couldn't cross water, some couldn't enter homes unless invited, some you could hold off by throwing bags of rice or beans at them and they would sit there counting all that shit before continuing the chase. Dracula was actually really different from modern vampires, the fucker was full to the brim with super powers and could do anything.

Zombies were different too. In old days some were voodoo creations that were completely unkillable and served the voodoo practitioner rather than being mindless flesh eaters.

Succubi are another alteration. Old days Succubi and Incubi were the same creature, they just switched genders depending on what they were dealin with, and they didn't steal men's lives, they stole their jizz, so they could use it to knock up a woman as an Incubus, and I think the result was birthing a demon or something evil.
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>>153626296
>or if you were actually creative and not a hack you would come up with a new term for your new creature.

What the fuck is this? Creativity is about what the thing is, not what you call it. If I come up with something cool and creative, it doesn't suddenly become generic because I call it an elf or a dragon or a koala.
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>>153627891

Succubi and Incubi were a really, really transparent excuse for why the kid your wife gave birth to looked nothing like you.
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>>153627891
>some you could hold off by throwing bags of rice or beans at them and they would sit there counting all that shit before continuing the chase
And thus was born the most obscure joke in Sesame Street's long history.
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>>153627760
>change happens, it's gradual and it takes a long time or a wildly popular work to get absorbed into the cultural icons. I'm not saying change shouldn't be attempted, but most attempts for total overhauls end up laughable.

Thats not what happened to angels. They used to be literal nightmares, so horrifying that whenever they showed up to talk to humans the first thing they would say is "DON'T FEAR ME BRO"

But then they pretty much switched that up all at once and made angels into humans with wings.
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>>153627918
The opposite is popular though. Taking a known concept, giving it a new name, and pretending you are a creative writer.
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>>153627839
depends on the culture and location of where you story will be placed and the particular contextual background you wish to use

>>153627918
you obviously have no understanding of what we are talking about
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>>153627891
Right, because the vampire myth, like many others, is the permutation of many stories of many different demons over the centuries, which became condensed into our modern image of vampire.

Zombies too, though they're a far more recent creature.

Like I said, I'm not against change per se, it's simply that most changes added to powerfully established cultural icons need to be relatively small, or else you would be better served just making up a new beast.

Also Succubi still are semen demons just saying.

>>153627876
>>153627781
>>153627855

Why is St. George such a dick to people's pets
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>>153624931
What do gnomes do? I don't see not much difference betweent them and the halflings.
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>>153627876
>Me and my son learning to kill wildlife
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>>153627990
>But then they pretty much switched that up all at once and made angels into humans with wings.
When exactly? And while angels were described as very non-human, I don't think "horrible" ever fit them. Just awe-inspiring. The fear is the fear-of-god olden people liked so much.
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>>153627945
You're joking but that's actually close to the concept of changelings, i.e. "elves stole my baby and replaced it with this one that won''t grow/always cries/looks like an old man", which was a concept invented by rural communities who didn't understand birth defects or the dangers of a limited gene pool.
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>>153627876
Originally, European dragons were literally just monitor lizards. As in, normal monitor lizards. 3 feet long at best. In fact, it's thought that dragons got the ability of fire breath after medieval artists mistook earlier depictions' forked tongues as fire and started depicting them as breathing flames. Over the centuries, the depictions got more and more exaggerated, adding "demonic" features such as goat horns, snake tails and bat wings.
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>>153628010
Well I'd like my large hairy man-ape to be set in the northern american wilderness. But he's also got WHITE hair, mostly...with FOUR pairs of eyes! I also want my TOTALLY UNIQUE OC to sell really well and become popular or sell it to a production studio...

...so what should I call it???
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>>153628010
>you obviously have no understanding of what we are talking about
>You disagree so you must not understand!
There's literally nothing wrong or uncreative about making a fantasy creature drastically different than normal and using the same name. Most of the time you're doing that to carry over some aspect associated with the name, either for straight use or for irony. Coming up with a new name is not more creative in any significant sense.
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>>153628123
Most descriptions of horrifying angels come from St. John's Revelation or artwork inspired by it, which occupies a dubious space in biblical canon and should be taken with a grain of salt because Revelation is all sorts of messed up anyway.
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>>153628126

I'm not. That is a legit origin for the myth. Similar deal to the Changelings yes.
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>>153628147
im not the writer here, you are. so come up with something
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>>153628139
Because medieval artists decided dragons represented satan, they were basically devils. So they got bigger and meaner. Subsequent permutation separated the two beings again, though western dragons still remain mostly evil, even if in contemporary times people like them being good.
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>>153628123
>Wheels of fire covered in eyes and wings
>Humanish figures covered in wings to hide their face and feet
>This fucker
A lot of old testament angels could easily be converted into Lovecraft-esque nightmares.
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>>153628201
Huh, I always associated succubi and incubi with the excuse that monasteries/convents gave to younger members for why they sometimes had funny feelings down there.
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>>153628196
Not him, but I'm pretty sure the most commonly-repeated ones (the wheels with eyes and the four-headed cherubs and shit) come from either Isaiah or Ezekiel, I forget which.
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>>153628139
Wasn't it originally crocodiles?
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>>153628123
No. It was definitely horrible. The literally HAD to tell humans to not be afraid and listen, they were messengers of god. But people would FREAK THE FUCK OUT if they saw an angel because those things were nearly incomprehensibly mindbreaking. Like interlocking spinning wheels of fire rotating at bizarre angles and speeds, lined with eyes or have 4 different faces all looking in different directions yet you could see all sides of this 3d object from a single perspective. Some were like screaming furniture, some were just little babies. Angels, the messengers of God, were NOT shaped like God.
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>>153628313
It's all about tone. They weren't intended to look human, no, but they were meant to represent something wholly other, immense and almighty, and as such terrifying. Not something genuinely scary in the lovecraftian sense.
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>>153628333
The beings in Ezekiel are never actually called angels, people just applied that name retroactively to them. The only truly messed-up beings to be explicitly called Angels came from St. John.
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>>153628336
>Crusaders attack Florida because of it's massive dragon population
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>>153628216
I'll call it a Big Foot!

I mean, YOU'VE never seen a big foot before, right?
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>>153628336
No, that was the leviathan.
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>>153628326

They may well not be mutually exclusive. "A demon did it" is a popular excuse in many Christian mythoi.
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>>153628336
I don't think crocodiles were really known well in medieval europe until marco polo wrote about them, but I don't know.
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>>153628449

Eh. Egypt isn't particularly distant.
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>>153628429
I get that you're being snarky but you're still making a wild hairy humanoid, it's pretty much a bigfoot. No one's gonna cry if you give him extra eyes and white hair, but if you make him a giant snake man that turns people into insects or something, then people might have an issue.
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>>153628383
Well thats the thing, Lovecraftian horrors are the exact same concept. In some stories, yeah, Lovecraft shit literally had the power to make you scared shitless, but in most stories, the idea of why the Lovecraft monsters were scary is because they were something incomprehensibly alien, something that could not and should be exist in a mortal sense, it was the terror of the unknown being thrown in your face. The only difference is angels could speak and usually meant no harm, where as lovecraft shit is incomprehensible in what it's doing
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>>153628336
There are no crocodiles in Europe.
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>>153628497
Does the snake have a foot-like pattern on its skin?
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>>153628429
thats not accurate, but sure be a lazy hack
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>>153628555
So you've never been to the sewers?
Do you even urban dungeons? How do you usually level-grind?
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>>153628336
The nile crocodile was what Christian biblical accounts termed the leviathan and the behemoth something like the hippopotamus or elephant.
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>>153628624

Understandable. Hippos will fuck you right up.
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While were on the subject of Bible shit, can we talk about how fucked up it is that Ziz is always forgotten out of the end of the world trio? Don't bully Ziz, he's a good burd
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>>153628497
What if I made him shrouded in fog?
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>>153628670
Let's call him Big Fog.
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>>153628597
I fight against turtles obviously.
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>>153628652
>died of heart defects in a sauna

what a faggot.
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>>153626751
FUCKING KENDER GET OUT
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>>153628652
>implying birds are scary

don't make me laugh.
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>>153628590
Maybe my bespectacled Italian grandfather, an ex-heavy weight boxer, with all his grey hair...I ACTUALLY THIS BIG FOOT!!

Or maybe something else that looks exactly, accurately like what you apparently think Big Foot looks like...is actually Big Foot! He IS real, he IS real!!
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>>153628670
Shrouded in fog isn't the same thing as made out of fog, fogwolf-guy.

And besides, why call your mistdog a werewolf when he literally creates actual werewolves with his mist?
Also is your story set in modern times? It's always funny to see writers dance around using popular culture knowledge in zombie movies and the like.
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>>153628763
tl;dr, please give me the digest on this image.
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>>153621932
Takehiko Inoue is such a madman he once had all of his characters shave their heads, and you could still tell them apart despite them wearing the same clothes (basketball jerseys).
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>>153628652
>>153628737
That bird was never gonna make it, Breh
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>>153628856
kender are a type of halfling that steal everything because they don't understand property then everyone is supposed to forgive them because they're cute
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>>153628860
Inoue is a badass.

Then there's the Crows guy who made all his character change clothes and hair every 5 chapters and it was literally impossible to know who anyone fucking was.
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>>153628782
I know right? Who the hell would be scared of a bird whose so huge that if it was above you, it would cover the sky in all directions?
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>>153628914
Oh thanks I'll read it over later.
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>>153628938

I think I can I think I can I think I can I think I can I think I can I think I can I think I can I think I can I think I can I think I can
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>>153621932
Shouldn't it be hairstyles? Telling who the character is with switched clothing is pretty easy.
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>>153628809
Hmm, the story is set...on another planet! It's Americas...so I guess it's an ALTERNATE Earth planet, yeah.

Like I mentioned, I wanna call him Big Foot 'cause no one is going to by my story if I call him "Zeritol." They'll think my audience are geriatrics or something. But everybody knows what a Big Foot is, mine just has stories where he might have lots of eyes. Also he could be KKK?
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>>153628809
That guy wasn't me.

No, the story is set in medieval-ish times, knights and castles and shit. And the reason behind that is because the idea in setting is True Werewolves are fucking rare. Because the only way to become one is to seriously piss of a nature spirit, and even then they only turn you into a werewolf when they think "Yeah no, fuck this guy and everything about him" So in universe, the myths of werewolves are about the beastman variety, because thats the most common anyone has every seen. When the characters in setting encounter a true werewolf, they shit themselves, because they have no idea HOW to fight a living bank of fog with the viciousness of a wild beast that can surround them and either turn them into monsters, or tear them to shreds
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>>153629143
Well, think of it this way:

If people normally encounter false-werewolves and consider THOSE to be werewolves, who named true werewolves werewolves? Did the nature spirit? If so, how would humans know to call fake werewolves werewolves? Did people? Then why would the True Werewolf call itself werewolf?

That said, "true werewolf" is already a step in the right direction. An acknowledgement that they're creatures distinct from what common knowledge refers to werewolves.
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>>153629269
Because werewolf, again, means "man wolf" It's a descriptor, not a title. When they encounter the man beasts, they think thats a man wolf, and it's true, it is one, but then they learn that they are a byproduct of another man wolf, then it becomes True Werewolves.
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>>153626296
Vampires tend to suffer from this lately.

>Vampire is still at full power even while in broad daylight,on a church-ship(running water) , while a wooden cross with a silver spike is embedded in their heart

Just call your special snowflakes blood suckers.
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>>153629381
But the other creature isn't a werewolf, it's a werefog.

I mean you have 2 creatures: one that is men turned into wolflike beasts, and one that is men turned into angry fog that creates wolflike beasts. Only one of those seems to fit the man wolf moniker.
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>>153629387
Old school vampires didn't get hurt by sunlight though. the other stuff is a reasonable miff though.
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>>153629387
>>153629474

Most people avoid this issue by simply saying exceptionally powerful/old vampires become immune. So the average vampire people encounter will still have at least some of the known weaknesses, while the truly rare ones won't.
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>>153629423
Except the fog is just what it's made of, the true werewolf is a man cursed to transform into a raging animal spirit, namely that of a wolf, and as a result on full moons, the man's body melts away into fog, as that is how the spirit manifests itself. The lesser werewolfs are turned into beasts because the influence of the spirit is lessened, rather than turning into literal forces of nature, they are instead debased, only taking on the weaker shape of the beast rather then it's spiritual fury.
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>>153624363
Young Marcille, hair cut for summer
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>>153629579
And we're back to the crux of the issue. To the observer, your fog spirit of the wolf is still fog. Those who'd name such a creature wouldn't be likely to call it manwolf, especially when menwolves exist and they are already called menwolves.
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>>153629654
I was looking for this. Back when I first created the concept I wanted to put an image to it, so forgive the poor quality. When I first conceptualized this idea of a werewolf I imagined a thick bank of fog, with a snarling wolf's head forming from it before rushing forward on reaching legs of fog. It's not just a formless mass of fog, it's a beast.
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>>153629812
Sort of reminds me of the Last Unicorn.
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>>153629910
The idea actually came about from reading Hellsing, or at least partially. The way the Captain moved when he turned into a werewolf made him seem far different from the usual werewolf, he seemed like he was almost elemental rather than being a giant wolf monster. I adored the possibility of that, and started to work on that principle, a wolf like monster that was more nature than beast, but still retained that grounding in being an animal.
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>>153621932
easy mode
>>153628860
hard mode
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