Kyoto Animation

>>153581362
>yuri on ice
>most key animators
Yet it still looked like ass

By not being based in Tokyo and by having grunts from their animator school do some of the work for free. They also tend to hire new voice actors for main roles.

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>studio with by far best animation in the industry has a lot of female animators

Kyoani employs many in-house animators on company salary. Salaried labour isn't listed under budgeting the same way that contract labour is. This makes their numbers seem deceptively low, when in reality the production costs would very similar.

Good schedule and not working in Tokyo, maybe.

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>>153581460
>female authors make the best romance drama
I can't stop thinking.

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>>153581440
>it's just fujos watching, they won't notice

Same boring thread. Same boring replies. Same boring pics taken from kvin. Studiowarriors are still in despair about having nothing to talk about.

>take pictures
>slap a few filters and some bloom on it
>see how drones praise your shit
Kyoani™

I have a hard time watching non KyoAni anime because everything else has poor visuals.

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>>153581554
>tfw to intelligent for studio wars

>>153581460
I thought Sunrise employed small gundams as animators, not women. Or was Shirobako wrong about that?

>>153581585
Then I'm glad that you're not a kemono friend.

>>153581565
>hurr durr KyoAni uses filtered photographs as backgrounds meme
https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/148242574/
Thread contains Hibike backgrounds alongside real-life counterparts. Hibike backgrounds are very clearly not filtered photographs, nor traced, upon comparison.
Congratulations: you were wrong and subsequently BTFO on the internet.

Muh saguga. Why Japan no buy saguga? Why animu + saguga no sell gud? Sagugaaaaaaaaaa. Plz buy saguga.

>Yuri on Ice
>IBO S2
>QUALITY centrals of the season

They embezzled all that money right?

>>153581638
You really don't need to post proof that they don't filter photographs. It's obvious to anyone with a working brain.

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>>153581670
>the best sakuga of the season comes from CGDCT
Other studios, are you even trying?

>>153581638
Nice try drone

>>153581440
Usually lot of key animators means something went wrong and they had to rush to finish the episode.

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>>153581520
>>153581460
>women make the best TV animation
>women saved drama genre
>women saved isekai genre
>women wrote one of the best SoLs
Seriously, who can stop them?

>>153581695
why nippon no buy saguga? why west no buy saguga? why /a/ no buy saguga? why no one buy saguga?

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>>153581638
>Hibike backgrounds are very clearly not filtered photographs

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>>153581585
Gabriel Dropout has had some nicely animated moments. They're not KyoAni, but Doga Kobo is pretty good.

>>153581362
After Effects presets and plugins are free.
>Chromatic Aberration
>Lens Flare
>etc
Done

>>153581741
Yes. Artificial intelligences will replace all those female animators according to that AT-X guy.
First, get rid of all the SEA-animators doing inbetween. Then, all those women animators in Japan doing inbetween. Then, all the males that remain.

Then, anime will finally be churned out by the thousands per season instead of only 50 and more.

>>153581753
KyoAni has had exactly one flop since Munto. Japan buys sakuga.
>>153581638
I haven't seen a blowout this bad since the 2016 United States electoral college.

>>153581741
As a man, how does this makes you feel? Do you think there's any worth or reason for you living?

>>153581362
Fake news

>>153581880
>Japan buys sakuga.
Explain World of Golden Eggs.

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>>153581788
It's not that easy.

>>153581880
>Japan buys sakuga
Flip flop

>>153581889
>Do you think there's any worth or reason for you living?
Yeah. I want to see what airs next season.

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>>153581963
Japan buys sakuga that doesn't suck, like Hibike.

>>153581928
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>153581979
That's a really pathetic reason.

Don't you want to be someone important? Don't you want to have some sort of talent? Don't you want to be part of something special?

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>>153582080
It's not my fault your bait was weak.

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>>153582166
Welcome to /a/

>>153581672
Yuri on Ice was the best-animated anime of the year 2016. 1 million votes on Crunchyroll said so.

Man, the sakuga-twitter dork circle must still be salty about that, despite shilling for CR hard.

>produces the best anime in history

If you are a pathetic failure of a human being starving for any emotional attention who laps up terrible teenage animated drama

>>153581362
>Budget for KyoAni shows is nothing special, in fact is below average

In other words, their animators are being paid garbage to create movie-level animation.

Seems like the animators get the short end of the stick. Compare the well-paid animators of Dragon Ball Super to your average KyoAni animator. Only the directors are probably making bank.

>>153582166
You are not special. You are not unique.

>>153582234
In fact, you are Anonymous.

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>>153582166
I can read moonrunes, I think I'm pretty special in the western anime and manga community.

>>153582231
the animators are paid well above average and they have regular work hours too. the difference is just that kyoani is very well organized.

>>153581362
>Erkin Kawabata
>did nothing as animator
>industry expert

It's like listen to someone from /a/.

>>153582192
That wasn't bait. What's your point? Are you trying to prove something posting those shots?

I'll never understand tripfags.

>>153582326
>That wasn't bait
Nice bait.

>>153582210
It's pretty depressing to know that you only exist to watch anime. Even machines do more to contribute to the world.

>>153582326
You only need cheap effects to make an anime look like kyoani was his initial post. I posted screenshot from an anime that tried that.

>>153581362
They have their own private sweatshop studio in Korea.

>>153582373
Soon, machines will indeed contribute more to the world (of anime).

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-02-16/at-x-president-ai-may-replace-humans-in-anime-production/.112255

>>153582267
Once artificial AI is made you'd be obsolete. Then what?

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>perfect anime don't exi-

>>153582454
st.
Don't mention it.

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>>153582445
Nothing?
Reading/watching the work in its own original language is objectively the best way to experience it.

>>153582445
More free time to hang out on /r9k/ and pretend to be a socially awkward robot.
Until chatbots come to 4chan and then socialize easily and with more grace than all the humans.

Then even the shitposting can be done by bot-programs, and we'll all accuse the real humans still posting like garbage to be the shitty bot-programs that couldn't fool a human.

>>153581362
Animators get payed per cut. not per time

>>153582166
What are you doing that will be remembered in a hundred years?

>>153581362
All of their anime are basically the same show in terms of animation style/character design/backgrounds which really streamlines things.

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Working at Kyoani must be so great.

Respected company.
Very respected staff members.
I assumed they're decently paid.
Very consistent animation.

>>153582618

Don't forget all that Kyoani show memorabilia that must cover every square inch of wall space

>>153582618
Are you even trying Lelouch?

>>153581741
>yfw women
>clean and beautiful
>never had to sweat and work in their life
>yet have better and deeper understanding of the art

>meanwhile men are not only talentless and socially awkward, the only things they can do is to worship these talented women
>to the point of worshipping their feet and eating the feces

If you're wanting to have a meaning in life but is born a man, just abandon that thought. There is literally no reason to be born a man nowadays, you will just be stuck with that body and role for the rest of your life. You might as well kill yourself if it bothers you.

>>153582445
There will never be an artificial intelligence that will be able to translate to English from Japanese to the level of competency as a human. They would need to understand context clues, abstract concepts, differing formality of conversation, seemingly make up words when a literally translation doesn't exist. The point at which AIs are smart enough to translate a language to the level of it sounding naturally English, they would have already taken over or we would be using it to kill each other.

>>153582618
I think Kyoani is the only studio that treats their staff decently which is why they're swamped with applications whenever there's an opening.

>>153582579
I'm just asking.

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>>153581362
>Moeshit
>Not amateurish
Low quality bait, OP. Try again.

>Eupho is half cheaper than fucking Keijo
That's nothing to do with kyoani being best studio or some shit. It's cheap because they're living in Kyoto.
Read this shit:
>https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Japan&city1=Tokyo&country2=Japan&city2=Kyoto

>>153582787
>swamped with applications

Where do you hear this?

>>153582787
If there's one thing that even the lowliest of low-tier studios like Gokumi don't have a shortage of, it's dumbasses wanting to become animators.
That's why they can burn through them and pay them like shit.

>>153582849
I'm a janitor there

>>153582899
You like to spread misinformation for the sake of a cheap joke then. Go roll down a flight of stairs.

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>>153581362
How does it feel that a show with 0 budget like Konosuba is outselling Kyoanus shows? Or how does it feel to defend a studio that its said to be antiloli and yet the last episode of Maid Dragon is pure loli pandering?

>>153581362
>>Budget for KyoAni shows is nothing special, in fact is below average


that explains all the same face across all the series

>>153583004
Feels pretty good that KyoAni is getting most of the profit, actually.

>>153581735
Yeah, they said the production was chaotic, like evangelion levels of chaotic.

>>153583044
t. Kyoanusfag being analblasted.

>>153583044
This

>How do they accomplish this with tiny budgets?
Experience and good direction/production.
Knowing how to schedule your time and what to focus on is more effective than having a bunch of ineffective employees.

This is also true to most if not all kind of businesses.

>>153583100
But you are the only one who is mad.

>>153583044
If you're the kyoani janitor from the previous posts, good on you. If you don't even work there, then why the hell are you rooting for the livelihood of the few people living halfway across the world from you? You're not getting the profit.

>>153583145
Do you yourself have a time management while doing your job?

>>153583023
Are you one of those 5k voters?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-02-16/k-on-tops-poll-of-anime-with-same-face-characters/.112194

>>153583145
>He believe this shit.

This post >>153582817 is more believable than your post.

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Honestly, speaking just to art and technical quality, I think KyoAni has been rock solid since the beginning with Fumoffu and especially Air, not just since K-ON.

As for how well a show is adapted or directed compared to how well other animation studios do theirs, well, that's subjective and pointless to debate.

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>>153582817
>Moeshit

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>>153581889
>>153582770
>>153581741
>women make the best TV animation
>women saved drama genre
>women saved isekai genre
>women wrote one of the best SoLs

All targeted at men. It naturally makes sense that women do this well since serving men is what they were designed to do.

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>>153583392
>YOI
>targeted at men

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The industry could be saved if everyone followed KinoAni's footsteps.

>>153583460
It was yuri-shit, wasn't it?

>>153581529
>>153583492
Why are beanmouths so great?

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>>153583460
>YOI
>best at anything

>>153583495
Yes, yuri with males

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KyoAni is the best studio, that's why all other studios want to be them.

When can we expect something, anything from Violet Evergarden?

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>>153583561
They just are

>>153583176
I'm pointing the true, how is that me being mad? You kyoanusfags are sure retards.

>>153583651
First, a continuation to Free. Then, Free with archers. Then Violet Evergarden picture drama. Then another Free movie.

>>153583312
If you don't believe it you've never worked or never managed someone's work.

The shitty ones are more noticeable, you can see how awful things can get with bad management/schedule or lack of experience.

And are you dumb?
The point of that post isn't to figure why or how KyoAni is "cheap", but how they can output such quality in comparison to other studios with LESS.

>>153583691
>asspained ESL
Every time.

>>153583044
Do you kyoanusfags really believe that? It must be sad to be that stupid.

Same posters, same posts, same drama, same insults between the same guys.
Wouldn't even surprise me if you're actually all posting in a discord-chat channel at the same time.

Can't wait for some "what did he mean by this" stock replies or variations of it.

>posts that points out the futility of men
>better ignore his points, let's talk about more pointless things like studiofagging

>>153583825
GodAnifags tend to believe the truth so most likely

>>153583715
Woah the ESL meme, nice you got a point there in the disscusion.

I like Madhouse and Bones more but Kyoani is pretty good.

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>>153583855
What did he mean by this?

>>153583903
Thanks. I gotta work down on my list of memes to saturate the threads.

>>153583903
It stops being a meme when you type like a mentally retarded spic.

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How much value do you put into visual direction?

>>153584005
A lot, that's why KyoAni is my favorite studio

>>153584024
Then why aren't you paying for it?

>>153582817
holy fuck
expensive as fuck

>>153583711
>If you don't believe it you've never worked or never managed someone's work.
I do. I work on that kind of field.
>The shitty ones are more noticeable, you can see how awful things can get with bad management/schedule or lack of experience.
Seriously, are you really believe work ethic in Tokyo & Kyoto really that different?

>The point of that post isn't to figure why or how KyoAni is "cheap".
Read your own post >>153583145 again, Dumbshit. Especially on 'tiny budgets' part.

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>>153581362
>KyoAni anime from K-ON onwards
Except even FMP looks better animation wise than most of the shit airing today.
KyoAni has been a top tier ANIMATION studio from the start, story-wise though, it's hit or miss.

>>153581362
>hey guys look at this totally unbiased "source" I got with a completely relevant OP picture to go with it
Don't you studiofags never get tired of this shit?

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>>153584260

>>153584271
You could make your own research, it doesn't take a genius to notice how little animators are in KyoAni shows credits compared to shows from other studios.

>>153581741
If we don't consume em, they won't be able to make them.

>studios behind GuP and gatari made no profit cause they're idiots
>KNK made kyoani tens of million of $ in profit


KYOANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

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>>153584356
See, that's what I'm talking about. Why are you faggots always so desperate?
Cool you found out they employ few animators. So what? So does P.A.Works, ComixWave, dogakobo, etc. Are you also implying things about them?

Hell I like KyoAni anime but I'm not retarded to pretend they don't fuck up sometimes.

>>153582445
>Artificial AI

>Artificial Artificial Intelligence

>>153581362
By sacrificing good writing

>>153584643
>>Artificial Artificial Intelligence
That means girls.

>>153584625
>P.A.Works
No
>ComixWave
No
>Dogakobo
No

They all outsource to hell and back. Just compare their recent works.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=18671
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=17947
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=18807
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=18171

>>153584208
>Tokyo & Kyoto
Productivity isn't related to the city, but is unique to each company.
Funnily enough, I've worked on a couple non-IT companies with better IT management than strictly IT companies.

>tiny budgets
You're still missing the point.

>KyoAni very clearly produces the best anime in the industry and it's not even close.
>How do they accomplish this with tiny budgets?
It's not the WHY or HOW they're cheap, but how they manage to have such standards with less than other studios.

If you make the point that living in Kyoto is much cheaper than Tokyo, it still doesn't explain how they have less key animators/people while still producing more.
If anything it should mean they can have a bunch more staff because of the lower cost, but they don't.

>>153581362
having fewer animators doesnt necessarily mean they spend less. it could just mean each individual animator works longer. or their schedule is less rushed.

Anons discuss which anime studio is being less pathetic than the others.

>>153582817
Still cheaper then Melbourne desu

>>153584834
KyoAni has a strict policy to not overwork, and there's documentation out there that provides info on their salaries, more specifically a guy recently complained about them being misandrists and only giving benefits to the women working there, his salary was well above the industry standard and his whining was bullshit as well since men are still the majority in the key positions at KyoAni.

Kyoani is of course the undisputed #1 studio, but who comes in second place?

>>153584961
KyoAni Do

>>153584933
Nips like to whine a lot on social media.
Just like that girl who complained about having to pay for using her workdesk at P.A. Works, and then it turns out that she was just a shitty animator who couldn't even become a key animator.

>>153584961
Sunrise, A-1, Dogakobo and Trigger are some that keeps some quality standards in my opinion.
Their choice of material to adapt or even writing original shows cab be questionable, but their animation is solid.

>>153585095
>A-1
>quality standards

>>153584737
>Just compare their recent works
Why? Can't I compare everything?
Of course Kimi no Nawa had a shit-ton of people involved with it, however it's a completely different scenario with older works. Shinkai and CW board didn't even have the money to employ more people.
P.A.Works only outsources background finishing and in-betweens, how the fuck is that relevant to my question?

>>153581362
Surprised not to see Mob on here

>>153581362
They have extreme routine with their generic samefaces, and they pace extremely minor animation in such a rhythmic and measured way as to capture the watcher's attention for a longer period of time per movement, thus limiting the amount of drawings needed per second. They limits the character's ranges of expressions as well, instead making them identical for all characters, thus building a routine for that too while saving themselves troublesome indvidual characterization. What you get is a dull generic nothing that contains much less in the same period of time, but KyoAnus fans don't watch anime to be entertained, they watch it to pass the time.

>>153585246
Because it's all just Fall season 2016.
Same picture that yuyucow's using.

>>153585344
Holy shit I'm blind. Why only include Fall and not everything then

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>>153585192
>P.A.Works only outsources background finishing and in-betweens

And 2nd key animation, and key animation, and CGI, pretty much 60% of their work is outsourced. I don't get why people lie about this shit when the info to disprove their claims is readily available online.

>>153585311
Pretty good effort put into a load of bullshit.

>>153585452
Actually, I'd argue KyoAnus puts way too little effort into their bullshit.

>>153585154
>Demi-chan
>Occultic;Nine
>Qualidea Code
>Asterisk
>Grimgar
>Gate
>Boku Dake

I enjoyed all of these, but Qualidea Code wasn't really that good, everything else was very decent, animation-wise.

>>153585423
Because that's when the sakuga-twitter circle started noticing the amount of animation directors jumping up crazily for most shows in that season, when animation quality for all of them started dropping down.
They didn't pay much attention to it before.

>>153582004
Eupho was probably their worst looking show ever. The sakuga is so unmemorable and uninteresting. The only scene I remember is from S1 where Kumiko runs across the bridge.

>>153585582
Ok then

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>>153585311
KyoAni is the only studio that bothers to animate natural body language on the regular in TV anime, though. Most other studios do flapping mouths and just bother to animate shit during action sequences.

>>153585614
Sounds like an attention disorder

>>153585657
More like the "realistic" style they were going for with the shitty camera effects and terrible backgrounds distracted them from doing any decent work with the animation.

>>153585830
It's probably just you, since the vast majority of fans praise the visuals.

>>153585830
Definitely an attention disorder on top of faulty memory. Seek a doctor.

>>153585643
All I see is an inordinate amount of time and focus spent on irrelevant miniscule changes in mundane movements, for the sake of dragging uneventful and easily animated scenes out for as long as possible without making the viewer's attention wander.

>>153585899
Probably not since Eupho was definitely their most controversial show since god knows when. The threads were constant arguments over the visuals.

>>153585643
Action sequences are the only thing everyone in the world cares about in anime. Nips, frogs, krauts, spics, brits, burgers, chinks, gooks, you name it.
It's all about fisticuffs.

>>153585942
My fedora nigga.

>>153585977
That's because it's literally not sakuga unless it's action.

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>>153585942
>>153585977
Characterization through body language. Subtle and a good storytelling technique for subconsciously building characters. Not many anime directors in the industry know how and when to utilize it, and not many studios have the time to bother with such things, so I can understand you guys if you find them unnecessary if you're used to low budget, sloppily directed trash.

>>153586205
All late-night anime is low-budget sloppily directed trash. No exceptions.

>>153586205
It's not subtle at all, not with how much time and focus is spent on every single thing. What they've done is create an expression and animation standard that's as unchanging and limited as possible. It's familiarity, not subtlety.

>>153581600
>to

>>153581362
I sure like their production values but I wish they'd do something with a story that interests me.

>>153586763
Are you interested in Violet?

>>153586763
That ultimatemexx-dude and the tripfag novelanon claim that Violet Evergarden is actually not as shit as the rest of all the other light novel crap that KyoAni has in its arsenal.

Could just be the same dude posting here on /a/, though.

>>153584961
Doga Kobo. Consistent quality, tons of cute girls, lack of juvenile battleshonen and pretentious deepshit. KyoAni and Doga Kobo = /a/, the studios.

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>>153586763
You don't like thicc girls doing cute things? Are you gay or something?

>>153581741
>women saved isekai genre

And nothing of value was preserved

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>>153586858
Om nom nom nom nom.

>>153586823
The premise doesn't sound like my thing but I'll give it a chance anyway.

>>153586876
It's okay but only in a mildly entertaining way.

>>153585449
>I don't get why people lie about this shit when the info to disprove their claims is readily available online
I don't get why people try to force their opinions with random examples when there's an equal amount of contrarian examples also available online.
Just because you wasted your time screen-capping it, doesn't mean all of their shows are the same.
Autistic moron.

>>153587056
>doesn't mean all of their shows are the same.
Except it's true for all of their shows, assmonkey.

>>153583392
They're not serving men, they're creating and selling a product to men who then pay them. You've been had, and convinced yourself that you were on top the whole time.

>>153585942
Jesus Christ. I don't even have the vocabulary to describe how shit of an opinion this is.

>>153587191
You should probably read more books then.

>>153587153
It's not true for True Tears,
It's not true for Another,
It's not true for RDG.

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>>153587056
Find me one of those contrarian examples, then. Find a single PA Flops anime that used less than 10% freelancers and outsourced to no more than 4 other companies. A show similar to the KyoAni average, I'm waiting.

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>>153586856
>That ultimatemexx-dude and the tripfag novelanon claim that Violet Evergarden is actually not as shit as the rest of all the other light novel crap that KyoAni has in its arsenal.
HA


>Not even while being a machine girl can she be left with wet clothes. As a change of clothes was necessary, she lay a bathrobe around her supposedly perfect body and headed for the bathroom. It had been a while since anyone other than Oscar regularly used it, so in a lapse of memory, he entered it without knocking and ended up seeing her while she was had not changed yet.

>“Ah, I’m sor… ry… eh?”

>He swallowed his breath due to perplexity.

>“EEEH?!”

>What was reflected in Oscar’s eyes was a sight more bewitchingly beautiful than any naked woman. Dripping golden hair. Beautiful blue orbs of a dimension that would not soften even within a painting. The finely-shaped lips just below them. A flesh body with a slender neck, an outstanding collarbone, plump breasts, and feminine curves.

>Her artificial arms consisted of metal rings from the shoulders to the fingertips. But it was only them. Despite the many scratches, other than the arms, the rest was surprisingly real skin. With that delicate body, she did not seem at all like a mechanical doll, but a relatively normal human being.

>With everything he had believed in until then being mantled over by the shocking revelation, Oscar tried to confirm what he was seeing many times.

>“Master.” Violet called with a voice that seemed to be judging him as he continued to ogle in astonishment.

>“UAAAAAAH! UAAAAAH! UAAAAAHAAAAAH!”

>Part of the outcome of that incident was Oscar’s screaming. The other was him half-crying while going beet-red, after having yelled on top of his lungs, frantically inquiring, “Are you human, after all?!”

>Wrapping a towel around herself, Violet plainly commented, “Master is, truly, a troublesome person.” Her cheeks were rose-dusted as she muttered, her face a little lowered.

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>>153587228
Wrong on all 3.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=14862
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=13258
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6257
https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=4325#stafflist

Just give it up, KyoAni is superior to PA Flops in every way.

>>153581362
PR bullshit.
Why nobody copy them?
Why do they make two show per year?

>>153587352
>i'm just pasting urls and screencaps pretending I know what I'm talking about
Way to go kyoanus lickers.

>>153587325
If that's the best of the KyoAni-light novels, then I shudder to think how terrible all the other light novels that KyoAni sells must be.

>>153587464
Not an argument.

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>>153587427
>Why nobody copy them?

>>153582373
>contribute to the world
Oh lord, do you really think the only thing a person can or should ever aspire to want is to contribute to the world?

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>>153587325
>is actually not as shit as the rest of all the other light novel crap that KyoAni has in its arsenal

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>>153587325
>>153587510

I really hope this shit is just a movie so it won't take much of their time. I like fun KyoAni more than drama KyoAni, and based on this quote and the summary, Violet will be unfunny tryhard garbage.

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We can all agree on this.

>>153581362
How come Euphonium had the best looks?

>>153587947
Nobody here knows. Nobody except teenagers actually watches teenage dramas.

>>153587947
Genuine passion and care.

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>>153587783
Sorry but there's another show that's an AOTY contender airing right now.

>>153581362
Skilled craftsmen only. No weebs or loli pedos.

>>153587783
Kyoani does it again

>>153585942
>movements

Movement is what animation is all about.
Thanks for proving that kyoani is the best.

>>153588849
Yes anon, what I said is that KyoAnus has animation in their anime and other studios don't.

>>153585942
Do you have ASD?

>>153588953
Do I have what?

>>153588649
That image doesn't say /y/'s Official and Objective AOTS's 2017.

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>>153585942

>>153589196
Just fuck off already, moron. Anime should be stills unless there's fighting going on.

>>153589040
It was confirmed that Kiku loved Miyokichi all along last episode so...

>>153589242
Shinbo pls

>>153589242
Can't tell if irony, or really fucking shitty bait

>>153589196
Sorry anon, my skin isn't so thin as to be cut with paper money, unlike yours. You go on pretending I'm not right though, and I'll go on being right, and we'll call it even, okay?

>153589242
>153589307
This kind of bait is always boring.

>>153589458
>can't even link posts properly
Not as boring as flaming people like you.

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>>153589040
And it also doesn't say /u/'s Official and Objective AOTS's 2017.

>>153589458
What kind of bait?

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>>153589530

>>153589549
The really unsubtle, obnoxious attention-whore kind.

>>153581735
is that why the last two episodes of Flip Flappers looked like ass while the first three were incredible accomplishments?

>>153585154
I've never gotten this hate for A-1. They mostly get big budget titles from Aniplex and they have plenty of sakuga.

>>153589707
I wouldn't say Flip Flappers ever looked like ass at any point but yes, the later episodes looked unpolished due to a rushed production.

>>153581362
But they don't have integrity and only produce cheap adaptations of works with an already established fandom.

>>153589549
He means the kind that he thinks he can deride for the purpose of trying to dismiss the earlier analysis of a shitty studio's methods and policies in the absence of any actual counter-argument.

>>153581460
KyoAni's top animators are male though. They just hire lots of women so they can pay most of their workforce less by taking advantage of the gender wage gap.

>>153581440
Who cares, it still has an average of BD+DVD sales of around 60k.

>>153589881
This. If every studio had flawless methods and policies like GodAni, the industry would be better.

>>153589964
I don't think I said what you think I said.

>>153589810
It honestly looks like the difference between a high-budget movie and a regular series. It's jarring.

The last two episodes definitely did look kind of bad. Only the last two episodes.

>>153589964
KyoAni is the only anime studio.

>>153581520
>>153581741
>kuzu
>best anything

>>153589964
That's the future

>>153590043
It's literally true. All other studios are anime-lite studios.

And they still waste all the animation adapting/making horrible boring shit.

>>153590597
Nice opinion.

>>153590597
>waaah there's not enough fighting for my 10 year-old destrudo

>>153590597
They know what their slack-jawed audience wants.

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>>153590597
Yeah I know right, Give me more shows like Keijo, Just the glorious heights of anime.

>>153581362
They pay their employees little compared to their skill.

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>it's a GodAni thread

>231 replies
>67 posters
Someone is pretty desperate.

>>153591006
This but without being an ironic queer.

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>>153591006
It's rare when a girl like Kanna comes a long and /a/ is almost unanimous in agreement regarding her being best girl.

>>153581741

Themselves. Women self-sabotage. It's their second big weakness.

>>153586858
Kyoani is /sp/'s studio though, especially Hibike.

>>153588649
Kemono Friends?

>>153591078
This. They pay their animators $1500 a month with no bonuses.

Because the staff and the key animators passion and skill is important and not a budget. Budget is a meme for plebs who dont understand how production works. You should educate yourself and read some sakugablog from kvin. You will learn a lot.

KyoAni is one of the best studios atm with plenty of talented directors and animators.

>>153592349
>You should educate yourself and read some sakugablog from kvin.
cancer

>>153592376
You are cancer. He is literally one of the most knowledgable guys when it comes to anime industry, animation and everything behind it.
Not like random garbage 4chan threads full of circlejerk and buzzwords by edgy teen who have never worked nor seen an anime compay from close.

>>153592482
So if I save and repost 10 second clips of good animation will that make me one of the most knowledgeable guys in the industry too?

>>153591477
It's funny how it's also happening to Maid Dragon's Kanna

Is Kanna a top 5 Kyoani girl?

>>153592588
No, because you dont analyse those clips and their techiques used and recognize animators out of it and their patterns, quirks and everything. You should READ sakuga articles and not look at 10 second clips.

So yeah, you are far from being knowledgable and you are proving it by your stupid replies even further.

>>153592682
All Kyoani girls are within top 5

>>153592349
Too bad they don't work with any talented writers.

>>153592749
Reiko Yoshida is one of the best anime writers.

>>153582445
>ai translating language effectively
Not happening any time soon, bud.

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It's hard being the best.

>>153592704
Boy I sure do wish I was as knowledgeable as some twitter dork when it comes to the animation techniques behind cartoons made for pathetic japanese virgins.

>>153592349
Sakugablog is for fucking casuals who only spout buzzwords like "weight", "charming", and "lively" to describe animation. Anipages is where it's at for good animation analysis. Too bad Ben is no longer interested in sakuga. Perhaps it's with good reason since there's nothing truly interesting from young animators these days. It's just filled with Yutaka Nakamura clones these days.

I think Shaft is better

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>>153592794
Reiko Yoshida is mediocre as fuck.

>>153592794
This

>>153592850
now when you cant say anything of substance you try with childish insults and ad hominem.

easy win. bye.

>>153592868
everything is a buzzword nowadays, even your comment. anipages is not that good either
yeah most of modern animators are not that good, but some of them are really great still. every decade has good and bad examples.

Silly teenagers with their desires to "win" arguments here on 4chan.

>>153592955
Yes please fuck off back to twitter dork

>>153592794
>script supervisor of endless adaptions
She barely qualifies as a writer, much less a good one.

>>153592749
Oh man, you sure dont know what you are talking about.

>>153592906
I respect your opinion although I disagree with it

>>153592794
She's the best writer period. K-On S2 is the pinnacle of anime and original.

>>153592749
They don't even have writers, everything is adaptation cancer.

>>153592794
Script supervisor != writer

>>153593091
She is great. Too bad most people here think that Urobutcher is a good script writer or some edgy shit like Tex, NGE or Ergo Proxy and Kara no Kyoukai.

>>153593152
Urobutcher is awful, but on the other hand he actually is a writer.

>>153593091
Yamada and Yoshida are the best director/writer combo

>>153593205
Yoshida Reiko wrote K-ON like Urobutcher wrote Madoka.

>>153593259
I wasn't trying to say either of them isn't trash if that's what you think.

>>153591163
It's the same 3~4 faggots that create this thread once a week and circlejerks until 404.

>>153593376
Wouldn't surprise me after getting buttblasted on /a/ if kvin will write angrily about how shit /a/ is again in another sakugabooru-blog article.

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>>153592349
>sakugablog from kvin
Fuck off kvin.

>>153592906
KyoAni > Doga Kobo > SHAFT > Trigger

>>153592349
>We are very pleased to announce that Anime Feminist and Sakuga Blog are collaborating to add more diversity to sakuga content creation!
>Over the next 12 months we will work together to increase the recognition for and numbers of women blogging on sakuga through our new Women in Sakuga Programme (WiSP).

Really stimulates the synapses...

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What's with the sakugablog/kvin shills? I've read a few of their pieces but they never get technical, and that kvin fag is a simple minded, smear loving imbecile.

>>153594081
then you either read bad or you need to read more.

>>153593934
One can really tell that a bunch of so-called feminists in the west have too much free time and don't give a shit about real female plight if they write about nip cartoons instead of trying to stop nigger-crones from mutilating and sewing up the vaginas of young nigger-girls to keep them as virgins.

What does make it extra-funny is that the animefeminist-blog is so desperately searching for female sakugabloggers and not finding any that they are forced to rely on trannies.

>>153594081
Sakugablog is for lame casuals. Anyone with a modicum of animation knowledge has nothing to gain from reading that scam of a site. It's criminal how the site admins have managed to convince people to donate towards a site that illegally hosts anime content.

>>153594171
Namedropping isn't technical writing.

>>153594081
The best animators use smears generously though. Animation is at its best when it is fun and energetic.

>>153582166
>implying being part of something special makes you special

>>153582166
If I wanted to be special why would I be anonymous

>>153594221
You have zero clue about animation, stop pretending like you know something or that this blog is shit, because you are making a fool out of yourself. You are literally incapable of writing anything noteworth about animation when it comes to certain scenes, key animators or episodes. Just stop please. People here can only talk about "muh story" and "muh characters" and "muh obvious" things and circlejerk and repeat the opinions of others like sheeps. But when it comes to actual knowledge about animation, direction and techniques you only hear crickets. But you can prove me otherwise and link me to some of yours truly amazing blog post about animation techniques.

>>153594862
t. kvin

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>>153594550
You don't get to decide what type of animation is best, it's all subjective. I personally hate the smears in Trigger shows, specially because they usually last for 2 or more frames on screen, and are very over-the-top, making them 'too' noticeable, I prefer something more subtle, something you only catch subconsciously to help give the notion of fast movement. Trigger smears don't bring that point home for me.

>>153581362
because budget has nothing to do with talent and passion

>>153581362
They had less animators per episode, but most definitely worked on each episode longer, meaning that each animator costed more to the studio than usual (and kyoani animators presumably get paid more anyways due to the structure of the studio)

>>153594862
https://colorfulanimationexpressions.blogspot.com/2016/11/paprika-animation-analysis-opposing.html

This is how you write an article discussing animation.

>>153595104
KyoAni animators are paid a monthly salary, they don't get paid per hour or per cut.

>>153595150
Yes that's what I was alluding to with the last point.

>>153594960
KyoAni had pretty noticeable smears in K-ON or whenever Horiguchi was animation supervisor.

>>153595374
Been rewatching the show and I gotta say that K-on Kyoani is quite different from modern Kyoani from an animation and production standpoint.

It was eight (six) years ago, after all.

Who are the most noteworthy directors beside Yamada in KyoAni?

Hyouka director? Anyone else?

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Based KyoAni, never change.

>>153595564
They have a pretty strong episode director line-up these days. Kigami and Ishidate are veterans who tend to deliver, while Taichi Ogawa and Haruka Fujita are younger staff who have the potential for promotion to series director. Action animator Shinpei Sawa just got promoted to episode director in Maid Dragon, his episode was the best-animated so far.

>>153595564
Takemoto is breddy good

>>153595666
How you know this? Or do you read it somewhere? This things are kinda interesting and I want to know more about them. Do you read any special sites with "news" like this?

I really like Ishidate's style but I'm not sure he's cut out to be a series director. I guess we'll see with VEG.

>>153595751
He did Kyoukai no Kanata right? Didnt like that show too much...

My fav are probably Yamada and Ishihara.

>>153595725
You'll get a feel for who's who by paying attention to the credits. Sometimes people translate staff interviews and commentates on various sites too.

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>>153595751
He isn't. Just watch Kyoukai no Kanata. I honestly expect nothing noteworthy aside from the animation out of Violet Evergarbage.

>>153595564
Takemoto was great with Hyouka and Disappearance, but he prefers to do comedy like with Fumoffu, ABP and Maidragon

also salvaged Lucky Star from Yutaka Yamamoto's hands.

He used to be my favorite Kyoani director but Yamada's streak really is too good to ignore.

>>153595725
sakugablog and ultimatemegax's translations of kyoani staff stuff are good places to start.

>>153595873
>tfw I unironically like Yamakan's episodes

>>153595940
Yamakan directed the episode in Fumoffu where that boy's face slaps straight into Sousuke's cock. Pretty good stuff, no homo.

>>153581362
>Don't outsource to overworked animators it SEA monkeys
>Actually do things in house
>Have proper scheduling and pay animators livable wages without overworking them
It's almost like people work better under humane conditions. Osamu did a lot of good things, but that fucking asshole doomed most of the industry.

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>>153595725

Don't listen to this idiot, don't give clicks to sacuckgablog. >>153595873 Just fucking read the credits if you want to know who worked on what, Ultimatebetamax translations are complete garbage anyway.

>>153596070
Maybe a stupid question, but what do you mean by credits? The Ending song or what? Where do you read the credits?

I think sakugablog is a nice blog and has many useful information on it and little eastern eggs that I didnt notice before watching a certain episode or scene.

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>>153596211
Those little symbols that fade in and out during the OPs and EDs, they're not just for show. Do you also need help figuring out how to sit on the toilet?

>>153596211
>Where do you read the credits?
ANN wiki has translated credits.

>>153596289
but its not subbed/translated. I cant read japanese. And for example maid-dragon episodes dont have this. Its just normal OP and the ED without this text.

>>153596416
ann and anidb translate them, usually, there are still shows being released today that don't get its cast and crew translated, but that's nothing to worry about for KyoAni shows.

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Hibike! Euphonium 2 was a much better anime than Flop Floppers.

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>>153581362
>KyoAni very clearly produces the best anime in the industry

>>153597491
Name a more skilled studio.

>>153581741
Wasn't there some female doujin artist/mangaka who also based her male protagonist off some guy that actually fucked her and she's obsessed with the dude and keeps drawing a 2D version of him in her works?

Completely off the subject here I know.

>>153595857
I honestly expect nothing but AOTY from Violet Evergarden. KyoAni finds a way.

>>153581741
The dick.

>>153599873
Give it to her.

>>153599823
Why? Nothing points out at it being good. The director is trash, kyoani isn't exactly known for their plot driven series, see Munro or KnK. The novel won their awards but that doesn't tell us much.

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>>153600894
>Nothing points out at it being good.
It's KyoAni, silly goose. They don't fail.

>>153581440
More key animators = more likely to look like crap.

>>153582817
more animation studios need to fuck out of tokyo

>>153581362
They treat their staff very well and hire like-minded people, as well as only taking projects they all have an interest in. This is why all Kyoani shows have such similarities, because it's what the Kyoani stuff like, and they pick stuff they like to adapt because it ensures they're motivated and invested in a good final project. With other studios you can be sure that at least someone on the production team have no artistic interest in the product, which leads to sloppy decisions and work in some aspect of the show.

>>153601441
>as well as only taking projects they all have an interest in
Moe confirmed for best genre.

>>153600894
>>153595857
>>153595751
I'm sure Ishidate would do great if he had better material than Kyoukai no Kanata.

>>153600894
Except for a last few chapters, VEG isn't really a plot driven series

>>153602305
"KnK was bad is my favorite meme.

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>>153591477
>Kyoani makes another girl named Kanna
>also regarded as best girl
really makes me think

>>153602961
Don't get me wrong, I like KnK. I think it's a great love story and I like the story, I just disagree a bit with how it was presented. The visuals were gorgeous throughout, including animation, storyboards, designs, and color palette; the romance was very subtle and natural, etc. However the constant back and forth between comedy and drama was a bit disconcerting (I blame Hanada for this). I'm the biggest advocate for KnK when people call bullshit on the ending, but I do agree that the story wasn't presented in the most appealing way. It's certainly great in hindsight or after a rewatch when you already know what's going on, but the first time you watch it, the story might not be too engaging if you don't get to episode 9.

>>153584579
GuP movie actually incurred Actas a significant amount of loss because how dragged out the production was. Future of that studio is not looking that bright.

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>>153584579
>gatari made no profit

Is this an alternate timeline?

>>153603219
I found it fine up until episode 9, and the last 4 episodes were great. The comedy drama balance wasn't an issue as it was full drama mode after the OP lead in to the backstory episode (which was still the best use of an OP in a show I've seen) and the ending made sense if you paid attention, especially during episode 10 or 11 (whichever one Takemoto directed).

>>153603498
Shaft wasn't the one collecting the gataribux is what anon meant.

>>153603608
I'm sure the ending made sense, I've explained it dozens of times to people here. All I'm saying is if Ishidate got his hands on some good material (which the KnK novels aren't, according to people who have read them), like VEG, he could make a show that would really shine.

>>153590298
It's the AOTS.

>>153581741
Historically speaking all the best animators have been women. Women are great at repetitive, boring tasks.

>>153602961

It wasn't bad, it was pretty fucking terrible.

Outside of that one idol episode, it was a completely forgettable series. The only positive were the girls

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>>153603640
KyoAni didn't get all the money as well.

>>153603705
Kyoani basically uses LNs as rough ideas and just does their own thing. Sure they're best works are adaptations of great material, but I still like KnK a lot (mostly the last 4 episodes) and Phantom World outside of the shitty ending. They're just a great studio.

>>153603774
You're taste is pretty fucking terrible.
>Muh fetish jokes
>Muh not paying attention and dropping it by episode 7
Same inane complaints literally every time.

>>153603868

You'll understand when you're older, anon.

>>153603868
>Kyoani basically uses LNs as rough ideas and just does their own thing. Sure they're best works are adaptations of great material, but I still like KnK a lot (mostly the last 4 episodes) and Phantom World outside of the shitty ending. They're just a great studio.
KyoAni has only done major changes to their own LNs and coincidentally their only LNs they have adapted were honorable mentions in contests where no grand prizes were awarded, so they kind of admit "they're not that good" or basically "they're OK ideas, but could be done better" which is what they do. VEG is a grand prize winner though, and they have said they are very pleased with it. I'm not expecting the adaption to be different from the source material, although very few people will be able to tell. I know they have a reputation of turning shit to gold, but besides adding original scenes, they haven't changed much in those adaptions like what they did to Chuuni or KnK. Hell, Hibike didn't change much other than some characters' roles in the adaption, this is because they decided to adapt it because they liked the novel in the first place.

Also Phantom World's last episodes were great, I don't understand why you wouldn't like them. For an episodic show, they do a great job of setting up a satisfying and impactful conclusion to the previous episodes. I actually think the first half was rather weak (I liked it, but only episode 4 was really good), and it picked up in the second half, and the ending was my favorite part.

>>153603372
The flame that burns twice as bright burns out twice as fast, or some shit.

>>153603933
That the best you can do for shitposting? Even /v/ would put more effort in than that.

>>153604129
I familiar with the contests and the rankings of the winners. I didn't mention Hibike because honestly it just wasn't that good of a series.

Phantom World's last episodes weren't bad, in fact the second to last one might be the best alongside the rabbits, /ss/, bear world and haunted house. The problem is that they did the cliched anime "just forgive the shit parents" thing, and it completely soured the ending.

>>153604260

How would I know what /v/ does? Maybe you should go back there if you know them so well.

>>153603868
>Muh fetish jokes
>Muh not paying attention and dropping it by episode 7

I didn't even mention those as complaints. Are you stupid? I mean, I know you're stupid because you think KNK was good, but are you retarded to boot?

>>153604453
/v/ loves shitposting Kyoani threads. That's common knowledge.

>>153604566
Missed the last line in my post? It's ok,I didn't expect you to have an attention span or reading comprehension. But please, by all means explain what was so terrible about the show. I'm sure you have a lot of well thought out opinions.