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that whole manga gave off a rapey over liked female vibe, all the charaters like her sister were trashy people

>>153559744
Ironically, her sister's romance was the better written one.

Are you a woman?

>>153560075
Yes, why?

>>153560104
Your criticisms just sound very stereotypically Western female, that's all.

>>153560137
I guess so. It's just that I don't know where else to say this. Tumblr would probably chew my head off if I said it, maybe thinking that I like the abusive bastard, and I don't like Reddit.

>>153560230
This kind of scenario is very common in shoujo though, and is actually meant to be desirable (after all, Shinogu even got his own spinoff novel). This might just be a cultural difference that you'd have to accept if you intend on reading more Japanese fiction.

>>153559639
This was one of the first Manga I read unfortunately

>>153560361
No, I do know that there are these incestous and pseudo-incestous stories. I'm a fan of Yandere Heaven, with the otouto being my favorite, and my consumption of anything yandere somehow lead me to this manga but I still felt uncomfortable with Shinogu.

Mostly because he was fanning the flames in this melodrama. Ryoki was already abusive as is and then Shinogu starts trying to get into Hatsumi's skirt and making everything worse for her. Call me crazy, but it looked like to me that things were going slightly better before Shinogu started his advances on Hatsumi.

And then there is everyone else, in the manga (i.e. Azusa) and the fanbase, saying that Shinogu deserved Hatsumi because he was nice. Honestly, I think Hatsumi would have been better off single.

>>153559639
That's just how Miki Aihara writes her story. I haven't read her stuff in a long time, but it all seems to follow the same formula.

>Asshole who'll obviously end up with the main character
>Nice guy who's secretly an asshole(usually has some sort of ulterior motive)
>Older authority figure with a one-sided crush on heroine
>heroine

I guess it's a formula that works for her and her audience.

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Ryoki is moe as fuck

>>153560563
I think the problem is not being able to suspend belief and applying irl standards to this particular brand of shojo manga that plays to the audience's masochistic fantasies. Obviously if we were to judge this objectively, yeah both options are pretty shit and the girl is better off single.

And you're probably right that things started to get "better" right as Shinogu started getting all pushy as that is the exact drama the audience of that kind of shojo loves: the conflict between overly dominant borderline abusive established lead and his "nice guy" rival who's really just "gentler" about the ways he tries to dominate her.

Basically it comes down to is this your kink? If it is, you get it, if it isn't then its very unsettling/creepy from the outside.

>>153559639
This was my first manga back in 2005 or something.