How is Mikoto Misaka ranked #3 in all Academy City yet she can't manage to take pretty much any of the other level fives on alone without getting lucky?
I'd honestly rather have Kamachi just write her as a strong level four or the weakest level five instead. Her powers as they are right now make no sense and her character makes up for it anyways.
I personally think Kamachi only put her at level three because he had to in order to make Railgun successful because all fans care about these days is power levels. I'd be happy if she was a on the same level as Kuroko and just made use of her power so effectively that she could outplay her opponents with smarts.
How is Misaki not ranked #1 if that's the case?
If you think about it Misaki has the most useful power and can cause the most worldwide damage in a short period of time.
>pretty much any of the other level #5
But she can beat all of the ones below her in a 1v1?
Gunha doesn't count.It's unfair to compare her to even Kakine since there's a huge powergap between them, relative to her and Mugino.
Possible vessel of Nuit and AIM spreader > Something that's already at least partially covered by Archetype Controller
She was so exhausted that she could barely use her powers when they fought in Railgun and even then she managed to win. It's definitely a lot closer than any other Level 5 match-up, though.
If you think about it even Kuroko or Awaki could take Mikoto if they were serious about it. I don't like how they made her abilities in this series so underwhelming for her level. It's just redundant.
Yea but Frenda was able to pretty much take her down. I don't care how tired you are that shouldn't be okay for a level five against a zero. Do you think Accel or Kakine would have had trouble there?
Crazy as it sounds, teleporting is kinda slow in raildex and has distance problems. If she kept moving she could avoid Kuroko/awaki teleporting things right into her. A large enough AoE attack could take them out because they don't have the range to avoid it.
Or they could just teleport her into the sky or ground. I honestly don't think they'd miss though if they decide to teleport something inside of her because chances are if Kuroko and Mikoto ever faught Mikoto would be in the wrong and thus her plot armor would be cancelled.
Probably not. It's just like I said anon. I'd much rather have had Kamachi wrote her as a really smart and cunning level four instead of one of the worst level fives with a third place tag attached to her.
>I don't care how tired you are that shouldn't be okay for a level five against a zero
Good thing Mugino's never lost to a level 0 then, eh?
>Do you think Accel or Kakine would have had trouble there?
As I said, there's a huge power-gap between Mikoto and Kakine.
Kuroko can only teleport what she can touch and Awaki has to point at things with her light. Mikoto is fast enough to avoid all of those.
>Mikoto would be in the wrong and thus her plot armor would be cancelled.
Mikoto is never in the wrong and only Saten has stronger plot armor.
Mikoto might hardly ever be in the wrong but Kuroko is most assuredly never going to be in the wrong so if they did ever fight it would be Mikoto by default who is doing something she's not supposed to be doing and Mikoto isn't fast enough to dodge those. Kuroko even said once in canon that she'd fight Mikoto if she had to do it.
Well where are you proposing she goes in the ranking, then? Her only competition for the #3 spot in terms of straight-up powerlevels is Mugino, who has also lost to a level 0.
In fact in the anime in certain parts to see Mikoto shooting lightning and Kiroko and Kuroko easily avoids it by teleportation and is able to teleport hug her multiple times.
She just shouldn't be a level five in my opinion but if they had to keep her there I think she should be ranked in last.
>Do you think Accel or Kakine would have had trouble there?
Of course not, their powers are outright broken and can't be cancelled/circumvented by anyone aside from Chosen Ones.
It doesn't matter because that's not the point. The point is that Mikoto isn't what Kamachi makes her out to be and it's because he's a bad writer. She needs a major power up and I'm talking major be even be close to the third ranked and even with her AAA which doesn't even really count because it's not actually part of her.
This is a series where ingenuity really goes a long way. Anybody can beat just about anybody else below the relevance line. Of course this gets a fuck ton harder the closer you get to the line and the bullshit that lies above it is a completely different story.
You probably think you actually accomplished something. Congratulations.
>how easy it is for any character to potentially overcome Mikoto in this series if they actually used a little bit of their brain
Literally no one but teleporters and even that's up for debate.
>They have awesome chemistry
Except they don't, it's just slightly better than it was before but still generic and unfunny raildex shit.
>Misaki actually has a personality
Nah, her dialogues are half the tits and half the plot exposition, even Kuroko is better in that regard.
>Kamachi makes her out to be
A pathetic failure. Haven't you read the spoilers at least?
Why does Kuroko not have weaponry or technical skills on her colors? This list is already wrong and I just started looking over it.*
>Actually thinking Mugino has a chance against a serious and healthy Mikoto
Misaki would rank higher than Mikoto if it wasn't based on strength.
Don't you guys think in a city of made up of the smartest people on the planet people would realize the way these espers are ranked makes absolutely no sense? Just because they're useful to one guy shouldn't determine their rank because obviously people would notice something is up? It's the same thing with perameter list. It makes absolutely no sense.
Seriously, is there any other Esper that can actually take this on besides Accel and Kakine, who are both ranked above Mikoto?
Wonder why Beetle 05 was BTFO so fucking hard by Black Wing Rensa. Is he weaker than the original Kakine or the original just too confident about his power to fight equally with Black Wing Accel?
Actually, besides Gunha, they really are ranked in terms of power level.
Like do you seriously think that Mugino and Misaki, or really any other lower level Esper can take this thing on >>153535960
>made up of the smartest people on the planet
Students have to be dumb enough to eat Aleister's semen cookies and whatever else he does to them to make them espers and the research staff are easily controlled.
Mikoto's the closest thing to a "celebrity" among the level 5s, so don't expect every single person to be intimately familiar with how all of their powers work.
That's a closely guarded secret, what doesn't make sense about it?
I really wish Mikoto pulled this kind of shit during WW3.
>Bludgeoned by a 15 meter mace
>Electrocuted by a billion volts
>Slammed my 120m/s wind
>Shot multiple times
>Spent 2 days fighting a bunch of people coming at him with the intent to kill a god, and was left as a pile of meat at the end
>Doesn't get to sleep anymore unless he's knocked unconscious
>Literally went through a god created hell that we still don't really know the extent of his mental damage
>Went from at least having a couple days between arcs to 5 seconds
Yeah. Touma just coasts through life.
Academy city is years ahead of the world in technology and being even a level zero esper gives you a massive academic advantage compared to normal humans considering all espers no matter the level have superhuman calculation abilities.
Don't even get me started anon. It's dumb.
Yea, Saten has it made in the shade compared to that nerd. I don't know why anybody would even try and compare their lives.
Didn't she literally walk into a death trap set up by the rank 4 esper and her gang of elite assassins after spending several sleepless days rampaging through factories only to still end up winning and accomplishing her task of destroying the factory?
Seems to me she's doing fine.
>evel zero esper gives you a massive academic advantage compared to normal humans
Meh I wouldn't really say that. Touma got stumped on a math problem that Mikoto could easily solve. Level 0s are probably just slightly above the average intelligence academically.
Definitely not saying that. He has it in the form of a damn good doctor, a keikakuman, and an overly attached unknown entity that decided to nest in his arm and won't let him die. He's got armor for days and it makes his life miserable for our enjoyment.
Mikoto is a super genius in a gifted school, keep in mind. Espers still have to make calculations to use their absurd powers.
Sorry to end the party short but Mikoto attends Tokiwadai university. One of the most prestigious schools in all AC and Kamijou is in a higher grade so she shouldn't be helping him out with homework at all and if you think that's bad the kind of math Kuroko does would send Touma into a panicked seizure.
Not only this but these enhanced capabilities espers (even level zero's) have over normal humans are the reason Saten was able to learn to pilot a mech in one single day and how Accel was able to hack last orders brain on the fly.
Let me guess? You probably hated Railgun ha?
lowest ranked level 5 would be good i think, highlights just how much she's allegedly worked to get her power up to her current level which is obviously above that of a 4, but also just how much she's out of her depth during the story for the most part, barely scraping a win against meltdowner was a bit underwhelming given her 3rd rank, especially having seen the first who initially appears totally invincible, but had she been lowest ranked the tricks and wits she had to use to just get out alive would have been more exciting . 'usefulness to alesteir' soesn't really make sense as a rank system except if he wanted her pitted against the others
I've screen caped this on MAL when Railgun is aired.
There's so many things so wrong about this but il just address one point for now
>she's allegedly worked to get her power up to her current level
Actually false, Mikoto was determined to be a level 5 and got a lot of support for her to reach that level, not just on her working hard.
You do realize that the general public have no idea who the Level 5's are, right? Mikoto is the poster child of Academy City and Misaki is the only other one who has spread her fame far enough for people to vaguely know that she can control minds.
The scientists are either in the know or don't really care because the ranking in itself doesn't really matter.
During the anime it was made pretty clear most people knew who the top ranked espers are because they'd always get called out and the scientists including the ones who test and rank their abilities at the schools would have to write false reports to get them ranked just how Aleister wants them.
>implying I'd samefag
You must think I'm some kind of worm. Unlike you I can make my points by myself without the help of twenty other people.
What false reports? The top of Academy City is the one that decides their ranking. The schools do research the abilities of Level 5's, but they have no influence on their general ranking. Officially it is never clarified based on what criteria they are ranked, and the "ranked by power" thing is entirely just a public image that is never confirmed or argued against by Academy City because the ranking is largely arbitrary.
Since there isn't any evidence of a limit to how much dark matter he can control (as of yet), his only limiting factors are the rate that he can pump it out (unknown, but probably quite high given that every low-tier Kihara seems to be sitting on mountains of the stuff) and his own incompetence. In NT6 he had a pretty large army of dark matter constructs that he probably could've kept growing if Takitsubo hadn't fucked with him.
>so do you have them level five rankings in yet?
>yes I do sir but can I ask why we're not just ranking them by power?
>Because I want them ranked on how useful they are to only me and nobody in this city will notice despite there being no logical order to these rankings that any outsider could foresee
>you're right sir. People aren't that competent, especially in the most advanced city on earth of all places
What are you even talking about? I didn't respond to anybody because that's not me.
Mikoto can beat Misaki, Mugino, and probably #6. She can't beat Accelerator, Kakine, and probably not Gunha.
Whats' the problem here?
Not in the grand scheme of things.
Accel, Kakine, Mikoto and Mugino are much more valuable due to the utility their abilities have for research and experiments that would increase the overall power and development of Academy City. Mind control is nice and all, but with how much technologically centered and advanced AC is, knowing more about isn't gonna do much.
This is primarily the reason why Gunha is the lowest, as while he has powers that might even be stronger than the other level 5s, they cannot study or understand it.
Except that it actually still is ranked by power?
I know its hard for you to read the manga, but maybe if you at least bothered to check the posts or just pics in this thread?
And as I said, only Gunha is out of order in the ranking.
We don't know whether he actually needs his organs to continue existing. He claims that he can reproduce his own brain and therefore is effectively immortal, but since his organs are still knocking around (Last we heard of them was Othinus in NT8) we're not sure if that's true. Both the Railgun and Accel manga are covering the idea of esper abilities and their connection to the soul, so perhaps we'll get an answer there as to whether or not he can continue to exist without his actual brain.
Another potential powerlevel avenue, if he can produce his own brain and therefore his own powers, can he produce someone else's brain and then use their powers?
>can't we just rank them by power and just memorize how useful they are to you?
>that's too many things to memorize!
>I'd rather rank them in a way that only I understand and possibly have it all come back and bite me hard over trying to memorize how useful these limited espers are to me
It's usefulness to Aliester's plan, not to the city as a whole. If Misaki was that useful, they would just put her in the 5-over, or recreate exterior in order to use her powers at will.
So basically you're saying that my side of the argument has in universe canon evidence even if it's just rumors and your side of the argument is literally nothing. Think about that.
This is some advanced autism, considering the rankings literally never matter in the grand scheme and have no reason to matter. Also, what dumb fucking institution ranks their members by power rather than their achievements and competence?
Last warning! Do it again and I'm going to place a curse on you.
>inb4 you don't know how to place a curse
I actually do and I will.
Yeah Misaki is not that useful, for Academy City at least.
Control people for what? Work? There's tons of robots and programs running around to do that,
Fighting? As we saw in WW3, the machinery are much more efficient and has less risk for them.
Control enemies? Their oppositions are Magicians who have shit that could backfire and curse Misaki, along with traps and shit.
Machines > People
I don't know nerd. Maybe institutions that are ranking powers and not academic achievements?
What argument? You are arguing about the ranking of supernatural powers, which is inherently going to be arbitrary because there is no real way to objectively evaluate Esper abilities that are as similar to each other as fucking apples and oranges.
is this some sort of meta shitposting
So now you're changing your argument so that now all esper powers are pretty much the same. You are literally 100%
Obviously? How would I be messaging you?
>Accelerator is literally invincible, so place him first.
>Kakine's power is slightly weaker, but still pretty bullshit, so he's second.
>Mikoto's has a wide variety of possible usage, so she's third.
Mugino has similar ability but can just shoot stuff with lasers so she's next.
Misaki's powers can't affect all of the above, she's fifth.
And Gunha is a dark horse whose power we don't even understand, make him last.
>And the other one?
So yea. They're ranked by power just like I said in the first place. What a surprise.
She's just vulnerable. Like I said Kuroko or Awaki could potentially get the best of her and she nearly got taken down by a level zero and I don't even think she can handle Mugino without luck helping her.
>I understand and possibly have it all come back and bite me hard over trying to memorize how useful these limited espers are to me
Elaborate. What do you mean "trying to memorize"? Crowley's mind is both assisted and is as capable as a supercomputer. Why on earth would this be a problem?
It's not. That's the joke. The whole idea that Aleister wouldn't just rank them by power and just memorize how useful they are himself is ridiculous considering he'd just be covering something up for literally no reason.
ESPer's can be clearly ranged.
The amount of Newtons they can manipulate.
Isn't this the same show where the canonical end goal is to "Become Gods calculator" aka "Manipulate X amounts of Newtons"
And where skill advancements is exponential, in entire plateaus?
This guy hit the nail pretty good.
>I don't even think she can handle Mugino without luck helping her
She can literally deflect her laser beams, so it's not even a question.
Street smarts aren't accounted for in the ranking system. Not to mention explosives.
Also espers, and magicians, are too reliant on their abilities instead of thinking outside the box, and can easily be outsmarted.
>Kuroko or Awaki
Only ones who make some sense, but it's an issue of teleporting abilities being too low ranked, not Mikoto being weak.
Actually if I remember right Mikoto would be totally dead right now if Kuroko didn't teleport her out of the way of one of Mugino's laser beams.
>She's just vulnerable
Every Level 5 aside from Gunha, Accelerator, and Kakine are extremely vulnerable.
I get your point now.
>usefulness to the plan
Where does this notion come from anyway? Index SS2?
All I can really remember is that Gunha is an absolute enigma to AC scientists because he's not an Academy City esper so they just placed him on the bottom of the ranking because all they really know is that he's powerful enough to be considered Level 5.
I'll be rechecking since I haven't read the book for at least 4 years now, but I would appreciate if someone who's more up to date with the novels can explain this.
I've said it time and time again but if this series had an actual writer working on it like Urobuchi this series would already be the number one in the world by now. Kamachi had a good idea but he lacks the writing know how to follow through with it.
So in an entirely arbitrary way?
The only shared attribute of all espers is AIM production and that isn't particularly consistent (i.e. it varies with power type). The amount of force they can manipulate doesn't really work, since there are probably level 3 telekinesis users that can output more force than Misaki, but she's still a way higher rank than them.
The usefulness to the plan thing came mainly from Accelerator being regarded as the "main plan" and Kakine was called the "spare plan." Since they were also number one and two respectively people kind of inferred that was whole the whole rank 5 system went. I don't regard Aleister ever actually claiming that though, but it made sense.
>Kuroko didn't teleport her out of the way of one of Mugino's laser beams.
Was this in the Mugino vs Mikoto fight or was this in the second half of Railgun S2 that I didn't watch?
I remember the Railgun S2 OP showed something like that but as far as I know it never actually happened.
I'm leaving anyways. If it bothers you that much just let it die.
Why doesn't Shiage get Rikou pajamas like these?
About the time I realized that anons are STILL meming about his age in 2017 when there is literally no evidence anywhere concerning his age.
We don't even know Kamachi's gender, much less age.
Delay on the novel is due to Kamachi fighting his jew editors over kamikuro moments
>Wonder what kind of idiot would claim that Mikoto isn't a level 5
Every fucking time.
She defeated Mugino while she was:
Completely tired from days of non-stop terrorism.
Didn't knew shit about Mugino's power, while Mugino had support from Takitsubo for a while and knew she was dealing with Misaka.
Is cute cute!
As a limiter to a fucking broken power?
If Kakine Original didn't have that weakness, think how easy it would be for him to take over the fucking world at that point. You couldn't stop him unless you knew where the actual brain was.
Perhaps to remind us that he exists but still keep him on ice plot wise? Perhaps we'll have an explanation of his character in a flashback at some point (Maybe the "Main" personality was more like Beetle once?), but I'm not sure that Kamachi has time to get to every character.
The obvious answer is that the bike is powered by memes and hers aren't dank enough to power it
Why didn't Touma just use a potato to power the bike instead?
>pretty much any of the other level fives
She beat a Meltdowner at her highest while she didn't have sleep for days, was starving, had serious fights and used her powers continously for a week, depleting herself.
Also Mental Out doesn't work on her.
That's 2 out of the five we know about. She is almost on Gunha level, and never confronted Kakine. Accel is Accel.
Actually, Mikoto can probably beat Accelerator now just by her appearance. Even if Accelerator doesn't care about her, he cares about the clones and she looks literally exactly like them. And fighting her would probably bring back some unpleasant memories. Reminder he never liked that experiment and his bullshit "Boo! I'm scary! Be scared and fuck off so I won't hurt you" act is over now
This has been explored twice, both when he fought Worst and when Kakine made Mikoto clones to fight him. Both times he chose to fight to protect Last Order, if he isn't 100% sure that Mikoto can do that I doubt that he'd let himself be killed.
That means NT18 starts NT's WW3 arc, but this time it's 6 novels long and the final bosses are Aleister and Aiwass and Laura. Instead of Russia, it will take place in AC and London.
Level 0s are scary. They can easily corner a level 5 when pushed to the limit.
Even if you disregard their numbers and guts most low level espers tend to do all kinds of nasty shit when they fight.
Accel got his ass kicked more than once, Misaka almost gets killed, Gunha got stabbed in the everywhere, Misaki almost gets eaten by a cat.
Even Uiharu managed to defeat Misaka by being a dirty cheater and destroying what she was supposed to protect.
Touma, Aleister, and a few of Aleister's direct chess pieces (mainly Accelerator) are currently relevant. However, chess piece relevance only holds as long as Aleister doesn't switch to a plan that no longer needs that particular chess piece.
Only Aleister knows at this point
Nobody knows at this point
It's been explained well enough in the LNs to be able to connect some of the dots but god knows you're too fucking stupid to even go that far before you talk about shit you have no clue about
I don't remember if it's ever explicitly stated, but its heavily implied by the afterword of OT 22
>The seventh Level 5 who appears in SS2 should be fairly powerful, but why is he only the seventh? Regarding this kind of question, from this point of view, the answer should be more obvious… At first glance, the fifth seems to have little value, but when used in disciplines such as sports and medicine, there’d be great benefits.
coupled with the fact that it's mentioned early on that no one knew the real reason behind the ranking, but just assumed it was power because that's the kind of place AC is and we can be fairly certain that it's usefulness to the plan.
Liberal use of Meltdowner without regard to anyone's life, including her own, could stand a chance
Plays dirty as shit and involves innocent people as puppets
He operates on mystical spiral power so I doubt she'd do shit to him when he was knocking away her lighting blasts while she was heading towards level 6
Probably has something but who knows
what if number 6 *IS* the archetype controller? and the archetype of "Aihana Etsu" is the way that they influence the outside world despite being locked away in the windowless building?
That half-assed memes of yours won't stop GUTS.
Barely. The plan that he's the back up to has a small chance of getting scrapped completely and Accelerator has a high chance of being able yo fulfill whatever role Aleister needs of him. Between the possibility of the entire role being scrapped completely and Accelerator likely being able to fill it if it's not scrapped, Kakine has very little chance at being relevant.
Because she was using Accels powers and vector control > everything else
Besides even Kakine was wary of his blacks wings on their rematch, it makes sense Beetle would be too. After what happened to him in OT, can you blame him?
It always seemed more to me that Kakine's real moment of relevance would be when Aleister's shit gets going and Accelerator breaks out of his plan because of partial MC status. Kakine would just be like Shinji to Aleister at that point.
Aleister kept him around after he got ground up into unrecognizable meat and if he is still alive, which is highly likely, then I'd say that he still has a spot somewhere
Though since Big Al seems to be shifting shit around so often it'd make sense that he'd change what was intended for him now
The guy has achieved nigh-immortality
Accel is still stronger for having accepted magic, if only barely, but he's still perfectly capable of dying
It's just harder for him than most and it seems that Kakine has caught up to him in that regard
If it wasn't for beetle shenanigans, then the fight between the two would have just come down to a straight up endurance match since Kakine can't really touch Accel and Accel can't really kill him
Did this whole "usefulness" thing have any other hard evidence to back it up besides Mugino's theory? I'm not saying it's wrong. It's possible she theorized correctly. But it's also possible she's just salty she's below Mikoto and the ranking system in general
>straight up endurance match since Kakine can't really touch Accel and Accel can't really kill him
He may not be able to kill him but Accel was perfectly capable of breaking Kakine's clones to the point they could no longer function using only his level 5 powers. We don't know what kind of effect the white wings could have on Kakine.
Besides Kamachi seems to operate under the logic that the power to destroy trumps over the power to create
Other than the fact that the format you were basing it on was much too old, what you were trying to do is very similar to my plan. They are both the idea to change the world by preparing a temple filled with memes, drawing out the power of autism within that temple, and readjusting the thickness of the phase itself with that power.
How is 4chan different from a small world that has sealed a certain type of power? You just need to look at your own actions from a different viewpoint.
I'd say so if only for the fact that Gunha can fight Mikoto, who is 4 ranks higher, to a standstill and be able to tank her blasts as while she was being mindfucked to level 6.
Personally, I'd say it's a mixture of usefulness to the plan and their own strength
That much would make sense as something of a measure to allow for them to be ranked as such without anyone catching on to anything.
It seems like that's precisely it when you take all the shit he's done with DM into account
>remade his own body twice
>can make various objects and even people
>was getting to the point where he could maybe make souls and therefore eventually be able to make ones with their own Personal Realities
If it wasn't for Beetle and the fact that for a smart guy Kakine is pretty fucking dumb, then he'd have been completely unstoppable
Well, except maybe for the Magic Gods, Touma, Kamisato, Aleister, and various normal magicians.
Take my memes, give me a season 3!
It's never really been shown to have an upper limit at this point so the only thing holding him back is his literal autistic fetish for getting revenge on Accel
>Gunha in the distance
Makes me laugh everytime
>Kek was viewed as androgynous
>Ka-Kekui has the head of a frog surmounted by a beetle
>dub trips again
oh shit nigger
He could. He would just need the time to pump out the dark matter. It didn't end very well for the last guy who tried this though.
We'll miss you High Priest.
Based, take my meme ship
2017 will be the year of Raildex's comeback
Wouldn't Gunha's power being unable to be understood and him just being #7 imply that it's because he's the last resort "Fuck it, we're starting over" guy?
Which would seem to imply that the reason we haven't seen #6 yet is that Aleister hasn't put the plan into action yet, possibly because he wants to be safe and have a backup.
Shit is going to get real the moment Gunha gets bumped down to #8, and Aleister's third plan starts.
Will Kuroko win da Tomato?
It would probably take him a couple of minutes to make one big enough to destroy the city. The problem would be that they wouldn't sit around for it to happen, so he would be better off attacking directly and continuously replacing whatever was destroyed until the enemy is overwhelmed.
Time to start meming
I fucking miss TouMAN poster.
Ah, I miss old raildex general
He was truly a work of art. I tried imitating it once but it's harder than it looks. That and I suck at writing
Kamisato as the anti-TouMAN added when?
Kakine may as well be top 20 jobbing habits aside because espers in general aren't much to write home about. But since when has power levels helped anyone in Kamachi's writing?
>NT18 next battle royal
Who will be the 4th member of IMOUTO the team of Tsuchimikado and Touma?
They should pick up Misaka #10032 even if she overlaps Fran.
>accidentally shitposts with the AAA and the messages are sent through time and space
>only to be known as
Is the real #6 also a fuckboi?
Tsuchimikado can take her out. Prove me wrong
Beyond the technical limitations, it's also further nerfed by the dispositions of the teleporters.
Kuroko's a hardcore lawfag who makes it a point to not just 'port knives into the brains of her opponents.
Awaki needs an external device to keep herself calm so that she doesn't constantly relive crippling flashbacks of having accidentally telefragging herself.
Saraku was just a scrub who couldn't even do his own spatial calculations without using his target's position as a shorthand variable, so he was limited to teleporting behind people.
It seems unnerfed teleportation is strictly the purview of the magic side powerhouses, like Fiamma with his "I can instantly appear anywhere within my line of sight without having to worry about the distance traveled or Thor and Othinus's "I don't teleport; the world moves around me instead".
I like that idea one anon jokingly tossed out about Touma being the mastermind and erasing his own memories. It's so perfectly stupid that it would make Kamachi the greatest madman to have ever picked up a pen.
Fuck, I still can't find it. I'll try to sum it up. I remember it talking about comparing raildex teleportation to a gun and how all the calculations Kuroko has to mentally prepare to use her power is essentially loading a bullet. The point is that when people move around a lot she basically either has to remake the bullet from scratch or fire haphazardly. Plus when she's in pain it's hard for her to concentrate on making the bullet so to speak.
What's with Haimura's boner and "camera angles"?
Trips confirm the meme magic is working.
I can accept that Mikoto might not have pulled that Kaiju shit due to trying to be subtle in WW3 or cause she didn't think it was a good idea at that point, but it really seems like the manga is making it seem that she can teleport now ever since the level 6 shift "fail".
Nope, this was the panel right before the one I just posted.
I think she can pretty much teleport now, which you could say is a Kamachi retcon
like Seike's sexas she would have used this a lot of times before to move around faster.
For reference, this is the first time Mikoto did something like this, and now she's doing it several times in the manga instead of the usual just being pulled by magnetism.
Either she really has some form of it now or her magnetism is now fast enough to not be followed easily.
I dunno, Seike's face doesn't really show any indication that there was a bright light. And even if there was, Seike should have seen like a figure of Mikoto moving as he didn't close or block his eyes.
>both eyes still open with nothing covering them
>still didn't notice a silhouette of Mikoto's body that is in front of her
You do know in this cases, the target is either actually blinded preventing them from seeing for a while or had covered their eyes, which is where the opening is created for the person to move without being noticed.
Lets look at Index Teleporting in terms of a gun.
Imagine you're trying to shoot someone. Easy, as long is the distance isnt too far and you have somewhat decent aim and practice.
Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving. This is harder, and requires experience and a higher degree of skill.
Now imagine you're trying to shoot someone that's moving as you are also moving. This is getting pretty damn hard at this point.
Now imagine you're trying to shot someone that's moving as you are also moving, but your gun's capacity to fire is not based off of a motor reflex, but on how fast you can calculate multi-dimensional calculations, while factoring in all of the other things such as 'leading the shot.' Also keep in mind that if the target suddenly jumps to the left (or basically does anything else outside of predicted movement) a second before you get done calculating, you cant stop, because you "bullet" is in the process of firing and you have to start over all your calculations from scratch.
Further imagine all of the above, but the enemy also has a power or "firearm", and is using it against you. Only their firearm is much, much easier to use then yours, as they require a lot less calculation to fire. They can fire probably twice as fast as you can at the very least, and depending on the type of “gun” (esper power), they can also course correct their bullet on the fly just in case shit goes wrong.
Compounding on all this is the fact that you have to make sure you don't get hit while doing all this, as you cant really process simultaneous calculations (firing your power and teleporting yourself at the same time) of such a massive nature all too well. Also, if you get hit by ANYTHING or feel ANY discomfort, your proficiency in all of this drops by half. This discomfort factor effects other espers, but not nearly as much as teleporters. This is primarily the reason why Kuroko wears skimpy underwear (aside from trying to seduce her onee-sama); she feels like she is wearing NOTHING AT ALL (NOTHING AT ALL!). This prevents her from being distacted, since it would hamper her abilities alot if her panties were riding up her ass mid-battle.
I would also like to bring up at this point that girl teleporters like Awaki and Kuroko can still get discomfort-nerfed monthly, depending on how bad their period cramps are. Basically, teleporters are squishy as fuck compared to most other espers.
The only thing they would really excel at combat-wise would be for assassinations, as long as the target doesn't know they are about to be attacked. Still, even with that, a bolt of lightning to the face gets the job done just as well as a needle to the brain... it’s just messier. A normalfag with a sniper rifle can accomplish what a teleporter could do there, and at a longer range to boot.
And that is why teleporters in Index are considered low tier.
We can't just stop at season 3
We need casual vento
>meme magic is real
>we finally reach season 6
>NT9 gets animated
>turns out to be an endless 8 like infinite hell
>casual Vento is off-screen in every loop
>endless eight becomes endless nine
>almost half a season wasted
I would never recover.
>episodes dedicated solely to different worlds to crush Touma's spirit
>Omega timeline with Super ITEM and living Frenda, happy Stiyl, Index playing in the park, Maika & Motoharu married with three kids and Maika is teen pregnant with a fourth
Pure Ragnarok despair across the board for days.
All this season 3 hype is one big false-flag operation and I'm not falling for it.
>Himegami will never go full bold woman and attempt to rape Touma
Who is this woman and why is she named march?
Why would Aleister publicly rank them like that when nobody would be able to see any kind of logic behind it or it could potentially get his plans exposed instead of him just memorizing how useful they are for what and ranking them by something rational with a clear formula to it? It makes absolutely no sense and Aleister would be a idiot to do something like that.
A draw or a "wasn't even really a fight because Accelerator didn't attack and Mikoto was talked down"
Even though Accelerator isn't on Mikoto's favorite people list, I doubt she'd want to fight him. She thought of him in both NT13 and NT15, and both times she pretty much said "he's out of my league and unless I power up he always will be".
If the two fight again, I bet you anything it'll be her drunk on a new, unstable power and him not particularly wanting to hurt her and maybe even trying to save her from whatever instability is causing her to want to suddenly attack him.
It wouldn't be a "S-save the girl!" like with Touma, it'd be "this fucking brat is causing me problems, but I can't just leave her..."
Shit mobileposter is back.
Everyone don't take the bait and reply. There's already tons of proof posted in the thread on how the rankings does fit the power level with the exception of Gunha for obvious reasons.
And do we even know for a fact Gunha will ever completely figure out his power? Maybe Aleister knows exactly what Gunha can potentially do and also knows that's Gunha will likely never reach that potential. That right there could earn Gunha last place fairly.
Thanks for proving my point. You guys are honestly such idiots. In your haste to make me out to be in the wrong you can't even realize that somewhere along the way you started helping my side of the argument a while back.*
If you think about it, "I know exactly what you can potentially do but you just can't do it and never will so you get a lower ranking" isn't all that different than the Parameter List.
It's kind of funny that even when I haven't read the series I'm right about most things I argue about because I use something called common sense. I'd be more embarrassed to be a know it all like you who is agreeing with my argument thinking it's his own original point.
That just proves my point that they're ranked on overall power. Good job.
>That just proves my point that they're ranked on overall power.
>How is Mikoto Misaka ranked #3 in all Academy City yet she can't manage to take pretty much any of the other level fives on alone without getting lucky?
In case you all didn't realize the entire point of this thread is just my opinion that Mikoto doesn't shine as much as she should be for being the golden girl of this series.
Good job anon. Actually an informative description of their power mechanic.
With all the false hopes we've been through, I can't see anyone non-ironically thinking that we're getting a new season in March.
See you don't even realize that Kuroko should be higher in the chart because after making love to Touma she would be unstoppable
Thanks for proving my point. This pathetic fanbase is obsessed with power levels and I knew for a fact you losers wouldn't be able to let something like that go. I think Mikoto would be much more interesting as a level four esper.
Accelerator shouldn't even be ranked #1 anymore with all the weakness he has now and almost losing to a mob boss. He should be ranked 3/4 at best with Kakine taking the number one spot.
See, you losers are just proving my point. Everything I say is correct even when it's actually not and I'll just misdirect and play stupid just to frustrate you.
I hate this fanbase because they did absolutely nothing to me and they try hard not to fuel my victim complex, so I'm forced to make threads and talk to myself about who is the golden girl of the series.
Misaki should be the ranked number one because if you think about it she is blonde and has huge boobs and I can masturbate much easier to her than Accelerator
You really went out of your way for that one. Good job.
I still think Mikoto would not like the idea of Touma owning an advanced doll of a terrorist that threatened her mother and got hugged by the guy she autisticly thinks belongs to her
>implying Accel isn't one of my favorite boys in the series
You probably think I was insulting him by saying he wasn't the strongest in the series but that's just you being obsessive about power. I think Kakine is ugly.
Is there anyone could possibly defeat Kakine?