Why good high fantasy manga is so rare?

>>153495439
because kiddies need muh Gary stu self insert, plus an extra dose of edge to actually read anything at all
look at thread on /a/, every stupid isekai shit got 500 posts easily, but things like OP pic barely got even a thread like once a month

>>153495599
>because kiddies need muh Gary stu self insert, plus an extra dose of edge to actually read anything at all
That's not an answer. High fantasy and "Gary Stu" or "edge" (both terms that /a/ loves to use incorrectly) are not mutually exclusive.
>look at thread on /a/, every stupid isekai shit got 500 posts easily,
500 posts is not a lot.

>things like OP pic barely got even a thread like once a month
This is both incorrect, and ignoring that Dungeon Meshi doesn't have a lot of releases.

Why are you being so stupid?

>>153495439
Because of the rise of isekai and garystuism.

Because normal fantasy was replaced by Japanese NEETs getting trucked into another world that is Just Like A Game™ and becoming ridiculously op due to some hax meta ability.

And this trend isn't going to die anytime soon.

Where's this month's chapter? It's due today isn't it?

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>Stravaganza
That manga is so weird. It went from fantasy comedy with a dose of fanservice to edgy action manga. And I don't recall anything in the early chapters indicating than the Queen was a super-badass swordwoman.

>>153495439
What's this called?
Looks good am I'm starting to run low on good fantasy stories in my western readings.

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Superb taste OP

Im not sure though but I have a an idea. High fantasy simply takes too much effort. You need to have the patience and experience to make a story that can strech out multiple chapters without being episodic. Given high fantasy is usually about a journey, there has to be a clear end to if which puts a limit on things, you cant milk it like you would a episodic manga without a overarching storyline.

This also limits spamming new characters which makes the writing even more difficult for a mangaka without any real experience. You cant deliver drama by killing off new characters while introducing a new bas guy of the week like you would in isekai

Also the art has to be good, high fantasy relies on imaginery like mountains or dwarven dungeons. You need to world build for the story AND the art. The author has to actually know shit about fantasy,its tropes and themes to pull this off. Also you need to be unique and not just rip off LoTR

Why would you go through this when you can make a generic isekai? People dont want to take the challenge and risk failure. It should be noted that DM and Stravaganza authors are pretty experienced too

>>153496642
Check the archive.

What's y'alls opinions on Monster Hunter mangas?

I bought the first vol of Flash Hunter cause sure why not. Was pretty decent might read online more before buying more volumes.
Read all of MH Orage online. Enjoyed it plenty but idk why I never got around to buying it.

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>good

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>>153496809
Forgot my pic.

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>>153495439
Would this count as high fantasy?
Also, it reads like MC's from a D&D campaign.
>GIMME GOBLINS
>>here's some goblins
>>want to continue the plot?
>MORE GIVE ME MORE
>>here's some more
>>pls continue the plot
>GIVE ME MORE FUCKING KIKE GOBLINS
>>for fuck sakes, here's a fucking ogre you cunt
>YOU AREN'T A GOBLIN, GO AWAY

>>153496688
Dungeon Meshi, it's about a group that forced to monsters because they can't afford food while delving into the dungeon.

>>153496696
This. Even if you don't build a world, you have to use a world that is interesting and even more importantly : you have to understand it.
Contemporary generic japanese fantasy relies on video-game tropes so that everyone can understand the world without having to explain it, wich means that the author don't need to make anyone "discover" that world through travel as it's already known. Wich means that he has to make his story about something else, wich is usually your usual otaku story about fights and cute girls.

Essentially, these aren't high fantasy stories, but generic harem, battle harem, battle shonen stories with a high fantasy setting. So of course when someone comes around and put some care in the writing it something much better comes out.

>>153497129
Nah

Its sword and sorcery, highfantasy has a journey against one dark force/being

Talking about high fantansy, has there been anything with scifi setting?

Battleship Yamato comes to mind

>>153496685
The raws have her being tortured by a bunch of the monkey men.

>>153495439
No, friendo, Hakumei to Mikochi is not shit too.

>>153497420
>has there been anything with scifi setting?
What?
Do you mean high fantasy sci fi, like Star Wars or Gundam?

>>153497471
Kinda,yes

>>153497282
Dungeon Meshi doesn't have a journey against one dark force/being, it's just a slay the dragon story and now they've done that it's kinda like a find the princess story.

>>153497517
The dark force was the dungeon itself anon

>>153496696
Blade of the Immortal?

>>153497557
The dungeon is a construction of the dark force (the sorcerer), but the journey isn't about defeating either of them.

>>153497511
No, there has never been anything like that.

>>153497615
It is as of recently. How else can they save farlyne?

>>153497672
They need to eat the dungeon master

>>153497615
Did you miss the part where Laius promises the orc chief to kill the sorcerer?

Congratulations on having a Dungeon Meshi thread (sort of) that's at the moment less shit than the /tg/ one.

>>153497571
Yes

>>153497726
Laius says a lot of things.

>>153497672
They can't.

>>153497282
You have no fucking idea what high and low fantasy is, anon.

>>153497189
So it focuses them on cooking a lot?

I'm down for that. At the very least I've read stories with weirder cooking premises.

>>153497282
Just because Lord of the Rings is high fantasy doesn't mean all high fantasy is Lord of the Rings.

>>153495439
>Basically only this and Stravaganza are the only ones running right now that is not shit.
The secret is:
Adult protagonists.

>>153497734
The elf did nothing wrong, though.

>>153497889
>LotR
>High Fantasy
What. It's low fantasy.

>>153497889
Isn't Lord of the Rings low fantasy?

>>153497699
>Eat out the dungeon Master
Ftfy

>>153497802
I could be wrong but thats the impression I got from few chapters

>>153497454
No, she gets captured by a tribe of black people. They distrust her at first so they torture her but then they become her friend.

>>153497994
>>153498007
Fuck's sake.

>>153498007
It's the codifier of hi fantasy, so no.
Low fantasy is a kind of poorly defined genre, but most of the time it's smaller scale plots, and less supernatural content.

>>153497885
Yep, lots of cooking and monster anatomy. Give it a read.

There's plenty of good Fantasy manga. Tsuyokute New Saga, Lodoss, Gigantomakhia and Berserk, Kimetsu no Yaiba.

Most people just never give them a chance. I really like Tsuyokute, though it leans a bit too much on Dragon Quest for inspiration.

>>153498087
>Low fantasy is a kind of poorly defined genre, but most of the time it's smaller scale plots, and less supernatural content.
Wrong. That's a modern definition that nobody uses.

LotR is low fantasy because magic isn't a common occurrence, but something really hardcore. Wizards are basically gods. In high fantasy (like dungeon meshi), a wizard is just another (albeit super cute) party member.

>>153498181
Nope. LOTR is the original high fantasy, and /tg/ revisionism won't change that.

>>153498181
>>153498087
Learn your definitions bakas
Low fantasy is on Earth and high one is in fictional worlds

>>153498014
>This is your last chance, Marcille!
>No way I'm eating out a dark elf!
>Come on, you even ate dryads and kobolds by now
>W-well if you put it like that, it can't be worse than orc p-pussy after all... right?

>>153495439
Think god, high fantasy is generic genre shit, mangá has a lot of original settings and stories, western Tolkien shit is the lowest of the low.

>>153498245
>>153498221
I was /tg/ before 4chan existed. You newfag nerds can't touch me through my Major Globe of Invulnerability.

>>153498181
>Magic is not common in lotr
>Wizards are gods
but thats wrong

>>153498254
>western Tolkien shit is the lowest of the low.
Then why do japs fail at it every time?

>>153498104
What kinda monster anatomy we talking about?
Interesting creature features? Or /co//tg/ seal of approval "creature features"?

>>153498281
Stop watching the movies and read the books, /tg/.

>>153497994
>>153498007
Low fantasy is an umbrella that stuff like urban fantasy falls under, where the setting itself isn't fantastic and fantastic things don't normally occur. Even stuff like FF Tactics and aSoIaF aren't low fantasy.

LotR has the main cast casually stumble into a demigod's realm like it's a wrong turn at Albuquerque

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>>153498254
Japs fail at everything they try even Isekai

LMAOOOOO

>>153498353
Most American post ITT.

>>153498352
I have and thats wrong. Theyre angels at best and magic occurs trough the serie

>>153498315
Fail at what? Learn to read please, high fantasy as in tolkien clone is terrible regardless of where it's from.

Reminder that isekai is by definition high fantasy.

>>153495439
Are you dumb? Almost all of action manga is high fantasy.

>>153498389
>asshurt yuropoor can't handle being wrong

LotR is high fantasy even by your own skewed definition, Gandalf is a casual acquaintance of Bilbo and ends up jobbing in the first book so everyone else can catch up with him

>>153498473
>good
neck yourself

>>153495439
Same reason good high fantasy books are rare, you need to be a really good writer with a deep knowledge on history and literature if you want to translate the topics and archetypes of the ancient epics into a new story/setting. I'm afraid there's not many Tolkiens and Lord Dunsanys drawing manga right now.

>>153498392
>Theyre angels at best
So basically gods.

>and magic occurs trough the serie
Haha, what? When the super powerful magic sword has the ability (to glow when orcs are near", you're looking at low fantasy, bro.

Don't mess with me.

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Marcielle looked extra cute in this frame.

>>153498352
Listen /tg/, magic in the sense that it's used in fantasy now was not relevant to fantasy when LOTR came out.
A few of the heroes have enchanted weapons.
A king curses an entire army to never die for betraying him.
Tom bombadil and the burrow wights exist.
The orcs may have even been created by magic, and the ring wraiths were cursed into what they are.
The setting has magic everywhere, not just with the wizards. Just because you can't shoot fireballs from your fingers like you can in video games doesn't suddenly make LOTR gritty, low fantasy.

>>153498412
Isekai isn't a genre, people who "discuss" it on /a/ as though it were are generally subhumans who can't actually string together a coherent argument

>>153498526
>So basically gods.

No. Gandalf and the other Wizards are Valar, literally Angels. There's only one god in the LotR series and it's Eru.

>>153498540
>she will never teach you magic

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>>153498558
So basically gods

>>153495439
I don't think many resources from which western fantasy usually springs are available or popular in Japan. Sure, LotR is probably known but I doubt it has nearly the significance that it does in the west. Other parts of the western fantasy "canon" such as REH and Lovecraft don't have any impact, and forget Beowulf and Arthurian legend and shit entirely. The most culturally significant thing that I think could be considered western fantasy in Japan would probably be fucking dragon quest and mmo's.

Occasionally stuff derived from Journey to the West or Romance of the Three Kingdoms pops up, but I don't feel that there's a direct parallel to western fantasy derived from things that take up similar cultural spaces in nipland.

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>>153498343
Slimes, Walking Mushrooms, Dragons, Animated Armour (yes, they're food too), krakens, etc.
They don't all go into detailed anatomy, but they usually do have some decently detailed explanations for the monsters like the way they live/fight and whatnot.
The dungeon's meant to be a self sustaining ecosystem.

I think this is the first monster they eat.

>>153498592
If wizards are gods to you then what are the elves, vampires?

>>153498649
Actually, vampires used to exist in middle earth before LOTR.
They were probably just fuck huge vampire bats though

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>it's a "shitstorm about what high/low fantasy is" episode
Every fucking time.

>>153498489
>LotR is high fantasy even by your own skewed definition, Gandalf is a casual acquaintance of Bilbo and ends up jobbing in the first book so everyone else can catch up with him
American education.

>>153498558
Close. Gandalf is a Maiar.

>>153498592
Yes and no. Yes if you go with the Greek sense, no if you go with the Semetic sense. Tolkien built his universe nearly that of Christianity. You got Eru Ilúvatar (God), and then the Valar, which are his archangels, with Melkor being Lucifer. Maiar are pretty much the setting's angels.

>>153498670
Pretty much. Sauron did turn into one to flee from the hound, Huan.

>>153498699
Just, hot chocolate boy

>>153498526
Angels arent gods dummy, just glorified soldiers at best

>Magic is rare
Jesus christ, its full of creatures that are created with magic or either are magical.

>Sword
its not the only magical object and you know it. Dont cherry pick, magical doors are common place for example

>>153498353
So from the looks of it stuff like dracula would be low fantasy?
It's just an ordinary world where there's suddenly a vampire.

>>153498543
Bro, just stop. You're just showing you're an ignorant asshole.

>Just because you can't shoot fireballs from your fingers like you can in video games doesn't suddenly make LOTR gritty, low fantasy.
That's literally the definition of low fantasy, you American idiot. Otherwise, stuff like Conan would be high fantasy. Which it isn't.

Point stands, if you have trouble accepting reality, well, that's America for you.

>>153498729
>Angels arent gods dummy, just glorified soldiers at best
America/10. Angels are, mythologically speaking, on a higher power tier than Shinto gods (which in turn would be elves by the European system).

>>153498721
It's okay, Bernie voter.

>>153498750
Conan isn't low fantasy or high fantasy, fa/tg/uy.
It's swords and sorcery.
Do they teach you how to read in the Alps, hot chocolate boy?

>>153498353
This is correct.

I always defined low fantasy as just a setting that has the same physics and rules as reality, but with some magic that also somewhat conform to reality's rules

Like a healing spell can't save you if you've been wounded too badly and take a while to work, and spells require a cost, be it time, lives, etc. Fire spells can't just burn away everything. I guess spells being used practically and having a lot of limits and being pretty rare/mistrusted on sight.

I see High Fantasy with it's own crazy rules and laws that don't resemble reality's at all. Elves, and Dwarves, magic weapons, and magic doesn't really require a price. Everyone can shoot magic from their hands, there's otherworldly shit all over the place, all kinds of crazy stuff that's just mundane reality for them.

I wish there was more good manga with those kind of settings.

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>>153498553
It really isn't. People however do like to call them narou isekai.

"Isekai" in the first place was mainly used to describe the the new wave of transported/reincarnated to another world Web novels coming from syosetsuka ni narou.

Also, I don't really agree with blaming everything on them either. I've recently been reading Saihate No Paladin and that one is definitely legit and probably much better than most of the 'straight jap high fantasy'.
Seems like the MCs adventure as paladin and the real deal will start from second vol though.

>>153498842
I wouldn't consider low fantasy as one unless they also explained how the magic work.
Not go full sci-fi and make everything understood in real life terms, but at the very least be more than just "my mana/energy/midichlorians"

Like at least have them explain how the chi/chakra is developed physically within the body to a point that it sounds physical enough that you can almost extract it like plasma and we're cool.

>>153497129
How old are you ? 12 ?

>>153498842
How about every shounen ever you fucking tourist.

>>153499051
Are you saying that doesn't sound like D&D?

>>153499051
The fanbase of Goblin Slayer is pretty dumb.

>>153499082
I'm saying your post is stupid
So many ways you could have asked that but you have to go with the dumbest way possible

>>153499151
It's pretty much what the MC's like, an overly RPing goblin hater, sue me faggot.

>>153499127
The fanbase of Goblin Slayer are mostly under 16.

>>153499127
Mostly /v/ermins i'm guessing

>>153499082
D&D takes much from high fantasy, but honestly many campaigns take more from heroic fantasy.

Goblin slayer I would say falls more in line with heroic and dark fantasy, because it's structured almost entirely around the mc, his endeavors, and his edge-tastic relationship with the world around him.

>>153499235
I'm meaning the way the MC acts tied to the way challenges are presented to him looks very D&D-esque, it looks like the DM got sick of him and wanted to kill him off. Not so much that it looks like it's D&D so must be high fantasy.

I don't really mind the whole "transported to another world" gimmick, it's just that most stories are really fucking stupid with it. Or they include harems, which may just be my most hated trope in light novels/manga/anime.

I just want a story using that gimmick where the guy is just a normal person. Oh and if there's a romance it's just with a single girl

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>>153498540

ITT: we argue about how to classify fantasy stories according to arbitrary labels that no one seems to have the same definition for.

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>>153498249

>>153498540
It's the eyes and that little hair in the middle.

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What does this thread think about Maoyuu Maou Yuusha? You can just keep it to the setting and leave the plot out of the way which was pretty amazing for me, not having read much western fantasy, no bully.

>>153498988
>Defending Isekai
>"B-but this one is good I swear"

I haven't even read it and I can already tell you it's not and you should fuck off.

>>153496809
I have all 10 volumes. It's good if you like Monster Hunter.

>>153498059
I guess that's fine then, so long as they become friends after leaving scars all over her.

>>153499639
I'd read that.. No I'd read an isekai based on that

A quest to reform the countries socioeconomic system?, but I am a potato!

>>153498372
ALL MAKT ÅT TENGIL

>>153498580
>implying i am not already a wizard

>>153499647
>>153498553

>>153499613
>Marcille rolls CHA to charm the female orc leader
>Critical success!
>Roll WIS to find her clitoris
As it turned out, Marcille was a natural. Everyone was ecstatic - except herself, of course. "Darn dungeon" she thought "I always have to put things in my mouth that taste weird."

>>153495599
Modern Isekai literally shits on boring high fantasy. Only the butthurt vocal minority with no tatse dislike them. Isekai IS the future of LNs, Manga, Anime and the messiah that will save them all. It's time to welcome your new overlord faggots.

>>153500274
you will never stroke her ears while she gives you a blowjob..

>>153496809
it was just okay

>>153498172
Golden age Berserk is a great low fantasy manga
after the eclipse it becomes High fantasy, and is less good

>>153496685
At the beginning of the manga there was action, that's not new.

Her being a badass swordman came a bit later but not much later. May be your perception is twisted because the releases are so erratic and take so much time between them, but if you think on it, we saw her fighting like 5 chapters in. Its just chapter 5 was eons ago.

>No one mentions Mahoutsukai no Yome

>Thinly veiled rec thread

At least read Helck OP

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>>153497129
>Would this count as high fantasy?
Yes it counts.

But the problem of that work is the same than most fantasy works right now, it only makes references to the fantasy tropes instead using the tropes.

If you think on it DM has lot of of fantasy tropes, as much as any other work, but there is a BIG difference and is that DM actually incorporates that tropes, makes them part of the setting and part of the adventure.

While most works limit themselves to make the reference, here is your demon lord, here is your adventurers guild, look we have mimics!, do you like mimics right?

None of those elements are bad, every work needs its Sauron, a place where mercenaries reunite is logic, but they don't work those elements, they just put it in there so you feel a connection and call it a day.

>>153500287
Now this is a weeaboo.

>>153499677
>>153500938

Good enough endorsement to grab the next 4+ vol at my LCS

Does it stay just the 3 of them? Or they eventually get a 4th member (I personally love hunting horns and they were way too underused in Orage)

>>153501342
I'm just passing by to tell you Helck is shit, and you and the others three autists recommending it every fucking Meshi thread isn't going to change that.

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The difference between low and high fantasy is simple.

When the fantasy elements are part of the world and are considered natural things in that world is high fantasy.

When the fantasy elements are NOT part of the world, are things that aren't supposed to happen or breaks the laws of that world then is low fantasy.

For example, something like Fate would be low fantasy, magic is something excepcional in the world, on the other hand something like Mahouka is high fantasy since magic forms part in that world logic. Even when both take place in Japan.

If a faggot travels to a different world where magic exists is high fantasy, if a magical girl comes to our world where magic doesn't exist is low fantasy.

Harry Potter is low fantasy, magic is something not suposed to happen, LOTR is high fantasy magical elements are part of their daily lifes.

>>153495439
Because Japs are stuck in the VRMMO mentality and the Isekai genre filled with game systems and UI-s...
Most of them simply can't imagine a fantasy setting without those elements.

>>153496576
You know what i'd like to see?
More parodies on the whole genre!

Standard start:
Japanese high-school aged tourists in America meet Truck-sama.
The one that gets reincarnated is the truck driver who doesn't get a cheat cause the ''godess'' only speaks Japanese.
The world he enters speaks an unfamilliar language he has to learn the normal way by studying.
Japanese people who were sent to this world are making a mess of it and the MC swears to exterminate every single one of them.

Basically a JapanFUCKNO!-novel

>>153502026
You chose strange examples. Magic is part of the daily life of the Harry Potter world and magic is actually performed very infrequently in LOTR.

>>153502228
>More parodies on the whole genre!

Even more? Japan basically has done nothing but parodies about the genre since the early 90s. To the point we even have parodies about the parodies.

Is rare to see high fantasy played straight in anime media.

>>153502748
>magic is actually performed very infrequently in LOTR.

Its not about how frequent is used but if is part of that world logic.

Magic in Harry potter defies the laws of logic of the world despite mages using magic for literally everything.

LOTR magic is part of the world it works inside the logic of the world.

>>153498747
Kinda, but nobody would ever call Dracula low fantasy. It's gothic horror.

>>153503764
True, it would qualify as low fantasy by nowdays standards or even dark fantasy but low fantasy and dark fantasy are relatively "new" concept so no one would probably think in Dracula as fantasy.

Dungeon Meshi and Goblin Slayer aren't real fantasy manga. Both have shitty game rules. Might as well be isekai. Stravaganza is much better because the world actually feels natural and not like a glorified DnD session.

>>153503764
Just an example since it's a story about a magical creature that doesn't really belong in that world.

>>153504163
>Tolkien derivatives that Tolkien himself would denounce due to lack of imagination

Even nowdays it triggers me so much when I see elves depicted like any other citizen with long ears without proper culture or lore or how the "dawrves hate elves" bullshit without any kind of justification.

>>153498553
>>153498988
>i-it's not a genre because I said so!
Genres are literally categories of works that share common defining themes, tropes and structures. People use isekai to describe a massive wave of similarly structured stories sharing the same tropes, if there's enough of them, and they're similar enough to cause this discussion in the first place, they're a genre. Genres aren't made the moment someone puts up a wikipedia page for them, they're made once people start cataloguing similar works together. Isekai is worth considering a genre precisely because we have threads like this.

>>153504004
Yeah, by today's standards it would be called horror fantasy or dark fantasy or something, but the difference goes a little deeper than the time it was written. Gothic horror has a lot of stuff tying it together besides just being fantastic horror stories written around the same time. There's a reason that, for instance, the first half of Bloodborne is so recognizable as a love letter to gothic horror, and not modern horror fantasy.

>>153499639
I've only read the main manga adaptation, but Maoyuu's pretty amazing. The setting is Dragon Quest as fuck, the characters don't even have names, but it still manages to write a god tier story with good character development. Just goes to show anything can be good when it's not written by bottom-tier part-time writing 2ch NEETs.

>>153502026
>>153503190
Your logic is solid, but your definition is clearly off since nobody in their right mind would ever call Harry Potter low fantasy.

To begin with, Harry Potter is clearly isekai

>>153504036
>game rules
>Goblin Slayer
What?

I haven't read the other one, but you're probably wrong about it too.

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>>153495439
>Basically only this and Stravaganza are the only ones running right now that is not shit.

There are a number of others, try actually looking up fantasy series and trying them out yourself rather than only picking up things that you see on /a/.

>>153504036
>game rules
>might as well be isekai
These are separate goddamn concepts, people need to stop conflating them. There are many RPG-ish fantasy works that aren't isekai, and many isekai fantasy works that aren't RPG-ish.

>>153498632
Lovecraft isn't high fantasy, and if he is, then there's Tanabe Gou, who seems to be on a quest to adapt as many Lovecraft stories as possible.

>>153498254
>mangá

>>153504036
Dungeon Meshi is very clearly based on classic DnD. It doesn't even directly bring the game rules into the story, it's just flavoured that way, characters don't have classes or levels or anything. If anything, a manga based on a loosely DnD-ish setting is pretty refreshing when everything else is Dragon Quest.

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Just read Ozanari Dungeon for now and stop bitching OP. There's a fair number of great fantasy manga here and there over the years, and we have a couple good ones running today. It's not so bad.

>>153504767
He's probably just referring to in-universe rules.

>>153504897
>rpgish fantasy works
I know there's lvl 999 villager

>>153495439
Would Bastard Manga be considered High Fantasy?

Like it has everything.

>>153505884
>Bastard
>running right now

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>>153504036
>Both have shitty game rules.
>Might as well be isekai.

>>153504749
>To begin with, Harry Potter is clearly isekai
And the reasoning is?

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>>153506467

>>153504516
> Just goes to show anything can be good when it's not written by bottom-tier part-time writing 2ch NEETs.
Did you know Maoyuu was actually literally written by part-time writing 2ch NEET before it was properly published?

>>153504516
>that share common defining themes, tropes and structures
> People use isekai to describe a massive wave of similarly structured stories sharing the same tropes
How are the themes, tropes, structure etc common for say Youjo Senki and Konosuba?
Kingdom Reformation chronicles and kenkyo kenjitsu?
Seiun wo Kakeru and Re:Monster?

These are completely different series. Completely different genres. Think a little before spouting bullshit holy shit.

>>153506855
Scifi and historical are considered genres too.

>>153506512
Bullied social reject protagonist gets snatched away to a fantastic other world where he's talented and tremendously popular through no effort of his own, continues to escape his life in the previous world while enjoying his life in the magic world and going through adventures that revolve around him, and in the end lives happily on in the new world, never returning to the last one.

>>153506651
But not the bottom-tier ones. Not saying good stories can't come from 2ch, I like Molester Man as much as the next guy.

>>153506959
I must admit makes sense but Harry never travels to another world. It all happens in the same world. Which authomatically discards the isekai.

>>153506855
I have no idea, I haven't read any and don't even know half of those, but you're clearly cataloguing them together for some reason. All of them involve a protagonist whisked away to a different world and so they're isekai, it's not my job to analyse each series and how typical of an isekai it is, I'm not even remotely a fan of the genre. I'm just against stringent arbitrary rules on what can and can't be a genre.

>>153507071
Yeah fair, but by that logic we should discard all the VRMMO series as well.

>>153506959
>>153507448
Not him, but secret wizard society is definitely not another world, this is silly. VRMMOs shouldn't really count, either, but at least those are structurally self-contained, the basis for their creation just exists in this reality. Harry Potter is literally "there are these physical locations in the real world with invisibility and ignore-me spells put around them so people don't find them."

>>153507817
>at least those are structurally self-contained,
So is Harry Potter's wizards society. Most of them never have any contact with muggles.

Harry Potter is actually wuxia.

>>153507817
I don't really see how VRMMO's can be considered more self-contained than wizard society. At least in the case of wizards, only the denizens of one of the world are aware of the existance of/can freely travel between both. In the case of VRMMO's, the internal gameworld is just freely accessible to the public (sure, I guess some series have the MMO as a secret or have some complication stop the protagonists from leaving).

>>153507859
>>153508117
The wizards are self-contained as a society, not as a reality, which is what I'm talking about. Again, they just hide it - many of their structures/locales are just a stone's throw physically from muggle areas. I could throw a muggle into Hogwarts grounds. Hell, I'm pretty sure the quidditch world cup was on a fucking muggle camp ground that they rented. They're no more "self-contained" than any society of monsters or magical creatures living in the real world, they're just closer to with real society (as opposed to them living underground or whatever) and so the hidden aspect is played up. A VRMMO is its own "existence" with different physical laws that apply only within it, and you can only bridge between it and reality through a special function (login, helmet, whatever - you could treat it similarly to a portal) rather than physically walking - if you ignore that function, you can describe the entire functional reality of someone in the VRMMO without mentioning the real world. You can't do that for the wizard society, it's contiguous with the real world both physically and law-wise.

Again, I don't think VRMMOs truly qualify as isekai since they aren't actually a parallel world, but they're much more distinct as layers of existence than secret societies are.

>>153495439
Because Isekai is super popular right now and most fantasy mangas tend to be that than straight up fantasy right now.

>>153500287
You had me goin for like a sentence there

>>153501286
Came in here for this, thank you.

>>153508441
For VRMMOs, i think the ones where its JUST an mmo dont count, but ones where they get stuck there somehow (like Overlord or Sword Art Online) do count since for all intents and purposes, they are in another world since they cant leave.

>>153508745
>We don't know if the MC in overlord is in a VRMMO or if he got isekai'd along with his guildbase and npcs that suddenly have personalities.

>>153508917
Whoops why did i greentexted that.

>>153508917
Id say dor the sake of whether its isekai or not, its irrelevant. All thats relevant is hes stuck in another world.

>>153497726
>Laius promises the orc chief
How long until Laius makes the chief an uncle?

I wouldnt say .hack//sign isnt isekai, but one thing i never caught when watching the show originally was that Tsucasa can understand Maha because shes an NPC that speaks only in text. Tsucasa can see that text with the game's interface but we the viewers cant.

Also i think im spelling his name wrong

>>153508441
Technically, yes, Harry Potter's wizard world is physically much closer to the real world than any isekai setting, but I think what matters more is not the physical phenomenon of dimensional travel, but removal from normal society to a society with magic, different rules, and where your previous life essentially doesn't matter.

>>153508745
I'm gonna go with this guy. If characters freely enter and exit the MMO, it's literally the same people in both worlds, I don't think that even meets the themes of isekai.

>>153507817
>VRMMOs shouldn't really count
And they don't count, those that are actually VRMMO, at least, but those are basically only two SAO and .hack series.

The greatest part of them (Overlord, Log Horizon, Shieldbro, Re:Monster, Slime, etc, etc) are either worlds based on mmorpgs the MC played or magical worlds with game mechanics, They are still different worlds.

>>153508745
The reason I don't think something like SAO qualifies is that the MMO exists in the real world and could be affected by things that happen in the real world. It's not separate, it's nested. It's more like those books where kids wake up in their dollhouse or toy city or whatever and the dolls are alive and when they return to normal things have moved around. Except in those ones the toys moving around usually isn't exactly replicated in reality, just some effects of it, so SAO's even less isekai than that.

>>153509152
>Technically, yes, Harry Potter's wizard world is physically much closer to the real world than any isekai setting, but I think what matters more is not the physical phenomenon of dimensional travel, but removal from normal society to a society with magic, different rules, and where your previous life essentially doesn't matter.
I don't buy it. That's a similarity revolving around what isekai generally taps into thematically, not around the actual definition of parallel worlds.

>>153509196
Yes, I agree with this.

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>>153509152
>but removal from normal society to a society with magic, different rules, and where your previous life essentially doesn't matter.

I still don't agree with you but I admit you make some really fair points. So fair that is almost annoying to discuss with you.

It would be so much easy if you used some retarded arguments instead of things that make actual sense. I hate you.

>>153509252
Fair enough regarding SAO

>>153498413
>>153506467
Needs a behelit edit.

if a creature from another universe ( not a neet japan) go to an another "fantasy" universe, it's still isekai? (the creature go by itself) what kind of genre is this?

>>153509833
Iseaki literally means "different world" you dumb ass motherfucker
Figure it out

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>>153495439
In the last Dungeon Meshi thread, another anon suggested a relatively new series called Tongari Boushi no Atelier. I went and checked out the first chapter and loved it. If you need another fantasy fix, give it a try. Wonderful art and a nice setup for an ongoing story. From what I can tell, there's only one volume out so far.

http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/tongari-boushi-no-atelier-r20723/

>>153510439
pretty interesting anon.

>>153502228
Fantasy anime has been doing nothing but parodies of itself for the last twenty years.

>>153510044
Forgive me my life for not knowing the entire meaning of a word in jap, im not a fucking weeb like you.

So every fucking history of a thing going to another motherfucking universe is a ise-fucking-kai? just a fucking "no" or "yes" would be a good fucking answer and "why" will be a cherry in a cake. Thanks for reading motherfucker.

>>153504897
Crystal Dragon has been running for 20 years m8.

>>153510439
this looks promising, thanks

>>153510439
Glad to see some taste in this thread. Most promising set-up I've seen in ages and the art is top-tier.

>>153509020
Or somewhere rather

>>153511058
Lurk more.

>>153511594
fuck you too kind sir

>>153495599
>look at thread on /a/, every stupid isekai shit got 500 posts easily, but things like OP pic barely got even a thread like once a month

>dungeon meshi
>once a month

fuck off newfag.

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>>153502228
2nd half of that plot has been done fairly recent in the West.

>>153510439
It's a great first chapter, and the translation is generally okay, but I utterly despise the mouthbreather decision to translate the male lead's title as 'witch'. "Oh, this japanese word that roughly corresponds to witch is being used to describe a man, that must mean he's literally calling himself a woman". Just call him a fucking wizard.

>>153510044
So basically Iseaki is such a vague fantasy as "different world" and could mean anything?

A fanfiction where Naruto is adopted by the Italian mafia and is sent to the ninja acedemy as the son of The Godfather is a "different world".

A word for word retelling of Se7en but with Sasuke as Brad Pitt and Kakashi as Morgan Freeman and other known Naruto characters is a "different world".

A world with giant mechs is a different world.

>>153510044
That's like saying any movie set in the Western hemisphere is a western.

>>153517606
Most commonly is summoned or reincarnated into another world.

>>153511329
Yes, and OP said "running right now."

>>153518673
>>153511329
Also, it's closer to 40. Shit's old.

>>153510439
This is nice.

>>153515566
I only read one issue but it was pretty damn bad.

>>153510439

Anon delivers again.