Happy Birthday Setsuna Ogiso!
The long awaited White Album 2 Valentines Day thread is here, feel free to come here to say something nice about Setsuna and wish her a happy birthday.
White Album 2 series torrent - https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=597884
White Album 2 Visual Novel Torrent - https://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=86626
Visual Novel English Patch - https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/?title=White_Album_2
Kazusa Vocal tracks (at least she tried with Sound of Destiny...) - https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=884978
7 gigs of White album songs - https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=679620
Kazusa playing classical Piano songs - https://nyaa.proxydesk.eu/?page=view&tid=505780
Thread Theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVv-38ZpXN0
Anyone think Setsuna totally steals this song from Yuki?
So, I feel I woefully laid out instructions to installing the VN, all I'll say is if anyone neeeds helpat any step post here and we'll see what I and others can do to help.
This was just the most heartwarming thing I've heard. Hearing Kazusa happy in love really melts my heart.
>tfw can't understand nip
Onething I liked about the VN so far, the bit where Kazusa was all serious about how she wouldn't let Haruki fuck up the Sound of Destiny solo under her tutelage and that she had faith in him, was REALLY touching.
No kissing or hugging or declaration of love, just being there for him, believing in him and absolutely refusing to let him fail.
Also that episode was adorable.
You know, a love triangle that ends with both girls getting together and leaving the male MC with nothing is an idea that should be explored.
If you're not a /u/fag, you should still want this for the shitposting that would ensure.
>tfw can't understand nip
Just listen to the last two minutes. You don't need to understand nip to feel it.
>Onething I liked about the VN so far, the bit where Kazusa was all serious about how she wouldn't let Haruki fuck up the Sound of Destiny solo under her tutelage and that she had faith in him, was REALLY touching.
Well, the adaptation handled the first half pretty good.
Well, one thing I think that sets this apart from most other love triangles is that Kazusa's and Setsuna's relationship is just as important as how they felt about the boy in the traingle.
It doesn't work like that and you know it.
Yep, their friendship is a real thing. These four months they were together would influence their lives for the next six years at least.
>Why does someone who knows nothing talk about just me and Haruki-kun?
>Why does someone who doesn't know about us three talk about us two?
5 fucking times? I must be old because I'd have to wait ages to do that.
This is important, it explains a lot of Setsuna's actions and thought processes and also why Kazusa couldn't be with HAruki nom atter what, Setsuna was like a sister to her.
Marriage does happen in both Setsuna True and Kazusa True, but he most certainly meant something like 'why not both', which would never work.
I have a question about the VN.
The options at the top are all japanese, do any of them enable auto-read like VN does automatically at certain points?
And what is that white tag icon that keeps popping up on the lower left.
Also, I can't now but tomorrow I shouldb e able to seed allthe torrentsi n the OP if anyone is struggling.
She has the look of a woman who was once a young girl that never dreamed anyone could lover her this much after her mum left her, that expression just screams 'we'veb een through so much'
I really really love that ending for Kazusa.
>do any of them enable auto-read like VN does automatically at certain points?
No, you can enable auto-read in settings menu.
>And what is that white tag icon that keeps popping up on the lower left.
Doesn't that just set the speed of the auto read itself? If not, how do I turn it on' I don't see that option anywhere.
Aren't there like, 3 new heroines in the CC part of the VN? Are they any good? Feels weird to be able to not go with either Setsuna or Kazusa.
I take it the point was to show the reader a 'What if Haruki didn't hurt either of them' scenario?
>She has the look of a woman who was once a young girl that never dreamed anyone could lover her this much after her mum left her, that expression just screams 'we'veb een through so much'
She literally spent 5 years in Europe only playing piano so that Haruki would once hear it. He is the only thing she needs to be happy.
No. She is still an important part of CC though.
This is exactly the reason why so many people learn nihongo to read CC and Coda. Even though this story sometimes hurts so much, I'm still attracted to it and I can't explain why.
CC and Coda spoilers. Beware.
Pretty much everyone. Being Kazusafag doesn't stop you from liking Setsuna too.
She is a poor version of Setsuna though. She is just a dumb kind girl with good social skills, while Setsuna is a tactical genius, an angel and a devil in one person.
Just appreciate her way of thinking.
It's a shame that adaptation ignored all those remarks. It made Setsuna look plainer and the viewer couldn't understand what Haruki was thinking.
I nearly got a heart attack when they retweeted that Nakamura's post today after years of inactivity.
Also happy birthday, Setsuna. You're the best.
Why did they suddenly decide to post it? There already have been 3 Setsuna's birthdays since anime aired.
I'm sure it's not happening. But it doesn't prevent me from hoping.
>feel free to come here to say something nice about Setsuna and wish her a happy birthday
I hope her family disowns her and the rest of the world sees what a horrible person she really is. She manipulated & exploited her closest friends making them waste the best years of their life in anguish.
>implying I'll spend even more time reading about the cluster fuck melodramatic love triangle of a shitty MC
It was hard finishing the series especially the setsuna arc. I finished it because it's partly recommended and at the last episodes for Kazusa. I'd rather watch Yahari since it's the same shit but more comedic.
>How faithful is this translation
IC translation is alright. Setsuna route of CC translation is really bad.
> and how far is it translated?
Intro chapter is fully translated. Closing Chapter: common route and Setsuna route fully translated.
The translation is advancing at horribly low rate, like 5 lines per two weeks. It's safe to say that at this rate you would learn nihongo faster.
They bring out the worst out of each other. It doesn't help his friends are a bunch of bitches except for sideburns bro.
>WHAT DID YOU SAY SIDEBURNS ABOUT LIKING KAZUSA INSTEAD OF SETSUNA? YOU DON'T SAY THAT STUFF MAN
>d-don't do that y-you already have setsuna. don't be like me the super popular guy
Fucking eggshells man. If they were actually good friends he would've supported his decision regardless, suggest alternatives, and consulted with the two girls. It wouldn't have ended in such a mess. But no, they decide to get pissed at him for even trying to question his decisions.
I'd just remind that even Takeya the Womanizer rejects the girl the second she badmouths Haruki for no reason.
No, they're you're typical Anime friend. No sense of actual camaraderie just cheesy moment pushed in to show they're friends. The very same friends who becomes suddenly antagonistic when you make a bad decision. Examples of good display of friendship is Youjohan and Tari tari.
Anyways, even if they do support Setsuna, they never really consulted the MC about what he actually wants. They fucking lash out at him talking about or thinking of it. As if the concept of breaking up didn't and shouldn't even exist. I count three times that happened and I watched it this week. It's one-sided and there's no room for discussion. I think the MC is a dumbass for not breaking things up for a breather. But then I realize people surrounding him are pinning him down with their "support" for both parties and shooting him down whenever he tries to weigh his feelings.
If an adaptation can't give you a substantial glimpse of his character then he isn't worth shit in the first place. Shirou is from a shitty VN but you can determine how fucked up he is by the end of a cour. Sure it's not deep but it's not some empty slate who's only noteworthy characteristic is "I'm an indecisive guy who likes to nag at people because I'm a responsible former class rep" and ends there.
This novel is really made for reading several times. She actually WOULD always look for Haruki's seat during her concerts.
happy birthday, Satsuna!
Haruki: "What are you doing? do you know what time is it?"
Kazusa: "... what happened to your face?"
Haruki: "Answer my question first, I was the first to make one."
Kasuza: "...I was waiting for you in your room, and because you were pretty late in coming back, and your phone was turned off..."
Haruki: "Ah, I turned it off, sorry"
Kazusa: "I decided to wait outside for a bit, then walked to the station to try to meet you, and thought that maybe I missed you on the way, and hurried back.
I couldn't sleep since you weren't coming back, so I decided to wait awake, and repeated the first step.
I think I repeated the whole process like 5 times?"
Haruki: I'll stay at your side no matter what. Even if I have to abandon everything else.
Kazusa:... you're not being serious
Kazusa: don't tease me like that
Kazusa: even though I know you're lying, I still believe it a little, and it makes me sad
Haruki: Do you hate the idea of being with me sad? Do you dislike the idea of being with me that much?
kazusa: Idiot! don't misunderstand things on purpose! I hate when you do that!
Kazusa: it's like waking up from a dream, and getting sad because of something you can never have
Kazusa: don't talk about impossible dreams, there's a limit to cruelty
Haruki: unfortunately, you're off the mark
Haruki: I'm not lying, and I'm not teasing you either
Haruki: I'll really stay with you no matter what from now on, no matter where you go. Even if that place is Vienna
Haruki: The pianist Kazusa Touma, or just the regular Japanese Kazusa Touma, I don't care which one.
Haruki: I'll support you from now on, I'll live for your sake from now on
Kazusa: haruki... you... are you........ insane?
We both freeze where we stand, but not from the winter air surrounding us, and not from happiness either, but from the pressure, the despair and the depression weighing us down
Kazusa: if you grant my wish, you'll have to leave someone else's dream behind...
Haruki: I'm fine even if I have to leave Japan, leaving overseas might be harsh at first, but I have confidence I'll manage to get a job
Kazusa: I don't mean that...!
Haruki: Don't worry about my family, they never cared much about me in the first place
Kazusa: I don't mean that, you're pretending to misunderstand thing again!
Kazusa: What about... Setsuna?
kazusa: you... no way.... are you serious?
Haruki: I'll save the one most important person in the world to me, that's why I decided.
Haruki: right now, that probably right
Kazusa: *crying sounds* that's... don't do it... haruki...
Kazusa: if you say more, I won't ever be able to live without you...
Haruki: uh... if you say that, it only makes me want to protect you harder...
Kazusa: *crying* so... sorry
haruki: listen, Kazusa, this is something only I decided, if you don't agree and it doesn't make you happy, if you're happier not taking my hand, then... I'll give up.
I only want your happiness...
but right now, I'm only causing you pain, I'm sorry.
but, you'll have to decide.
haruki: probably, for both you and me, whatever the future has for us, we'll only find regret.
So at least, let's decide our own future, let's regret our own decision, if we're betraying someone dear, let's always carry that weight.
Haruki: I've already betrayed. Now you're the only one left.
haruki: if this decision will make your life harsher, of if it'll make it a little happier...
i want you to consider it.
If you give me a positive answer, I'll do everything in my power to open up that path.
Even if I have to make a pact with the devil.
-scene cuts, Kazusa is now in the airport, the announcer says in the voicespeaker that the plane to Vienna is about to leave-
Later we see a plane taking off.
Haruki gets of the train, and when he's leaving the station, he finds Kazusa standing there.
Kazusa: it's been a week, how are you doing?
Haruki: the same to you...
Kazusa: me? or course I'm not doing well, because of that horrible choice you gave me, I thought I'd get sick and end up in the hospital
Kazusa: what's with that face? don't tell me you already regreted what you said to me?
Haruki: I wouldn't...
Kazusa: if you regreted, that'd be only natural...
Kazusa: I thought pretty hard about that choice, it'd be weird if I didn't...
Haruki: and your answer is...?
Haruki: shouldn't you give me an answer already? are you going to choose me, or are you going to dump me?
Kazusa: ... I went to the airport today...
Kazusa: I wasn't planning to run away and return to Vienna, I didn't even buy a ticket.
Haruki: then, why?
Kazusa: I just wanted to remember.
Haruki: remember what?
Kazusa: the sadness I felt when I left you 5 years ago, the pain that pierced my heart..
Kazusa: and I compared it, to the pain my decision would cause
Haruki: and then...?
Kazusa: don't you want to ask why was i waiting for you here?
Kazusa: you know why, that I know what day is today, that there's a place you must definitely go today.
Kazusa: Haruki... you're going to Setsuna's birthday party, am i wrong?
Kazusa: you'll meet with Setsuna, and won't say anything about me, you'll give her a present, eat with her, and kiss her when you're alone, right?
Kazusa: and then you'll regret your decision, you'll think it's okay to leave me behind, that you're fine with Setsuna.
Haruki: I wouldn't...
Kazusa: I know how you are, you'll doubt again
Kazusa: ...but I'll put an end to that.
Kazusa: I hurried from the airport, by car, by taxi, and even running here to meet you, and I barely made it.
Kazusa: i came here to stop you.
Kazusa: don't meet Setsuna anymore... Haruki... betray Setsuna... and choose me. Please... stay always by side...
Haruki: are you sure?
Kazusa: I love you
Yoko is probably the only Kazusa-Haruki shipper in the whole novel
>She had only returned to Japan once since the events in IC. During the CC, on Christmas Eve, Mari, Haruki’s boss had called him with tickets to a New Year’s Concert by Yoko Kazusa. Of course, he did not attend. But had he, he would have found Kazusa sitting there in the front row, with a reserved seat made out for Haruki.
Well, it would probably hurt. But she would never suffer as much as Setsuna did, would never freeze in place when the song they played on the festival is played on the radio, would never
masturbate after hearing how Hachiman beat up his friend because he had confessed to her
I like Yui better. She downright fails at being manipulative but that makes her sincere. This makes the whole "three of us together friends please cuck me" sincere in comparison to Setsuna. At the end of the day they're the same. The whole I'm not that ideal (kind in Yui's case) or the whole I have to keep things up shit they pull. But what makes the difference is that one of them does that out of teenage stupidity and not some calculated move. This is coming from a guy who dislikes Yui the most. Fuck Setsuna.
>The whole I'm not that ideal (kind in Yui's case) or the whole I have to keep things up shit they pull.
The thing is, Setsuna doesn't pretend. She may be kind of manipulative, but she doesn't lie. She was always straight with Kazusa, she didn't hide anything from her. Her manipulativeness is in calculating actions, not in putting up the front.
Setsuna did nothing wrong. She fought for her love, that's all. Do you just expect her to be a doormat waiting for her love to just get snatched away? Fuck no, we have enough of those girls in shitty harem.
I rooted for Kazusa through the entire thing, but I still gotta admit Setsuna did nothing wrong.
I wouldn't say that Kazusa lied to herself either. They both knew very well that she loved Haruki. She just told Setsuna that she wasn't going to fight for Haruki, wasn't going to try to snatch him from Setsuna.
>spout all this bullshit about being the three friends
>force these ideas on the two people involved
>love rival decides to make a hesitant move because of the opening she made from her three friends bullshit
>haha oh fuck better fix this
>suddenly confess to the guy to one up love rival
>talk to her the next day in some sort of pity party of apologies
>love rival is strong headed but kind hearted
>it's all cool
>keep maintaining the three friend bullshit even though you swooped her from your so called best-friend
>surprised and depressed when your lover decides to make a move on the other girl
>even though it's your fault and you already knew he loved her in the first place
She's a cunt and stupid as well. It doesn't help that she has no future prospects and ideals but to follow Haruki to wherever he goes. If she fought for her love in a less stupid and cuntish way, I can talk shit but at least I'll respect her. A character completely consumed by emotions.
Boy, I'm glad the anime left out that detail.
What are you even talking about? Are you saying that their group of three was only valuable to Setsuna?
>surprised and depressed when your lover decides to make a move on the other girl
>even though it's your fault and you already knew he loved her in the first place
She said herself in that train that she was at fault (even though it was Haruki's fault). She never blamed neither Haruki nor Kazusa for what they did.
It wasn't. But she was the one who originally proposed such an idea. You can't fault Kazusa for not trying to maintain the status quo because she wasn't the one pushing for it in the first place. At least she had the idea that maybe this isn't the right thing and I shouldn't be doing this to Setsuna. The problem lies on the one proposing it and fucking over the other one when things aren't going well.
>She said herself in that train that she was at fault (even though it was Haruki's fault). She never blamed neither Haruki nor Kazusa for what they did.
That's exactly it. She knowingly did such a thing and that's what makes her horrible. Only when things got fucked for everyone did she actually start contemplating the decisions she made.
And that's what made it amazing for me. All her stupid manipulation came back to bite her in the ass.
No, it was to not push all of the three friends bullshit in the first place. But if it was unavoidable, at least have the heart to not to the drag the other girl into a three person special friendship. Just be friends with her. It would be hard for everyone and would take some time to convince Haruki. A little bit of talking goes a long way. If it doesn't work out, maybe it's not meant to be at least you fought for it.
I just think it's horrible to use someone's goodwill and friendship to become some sort pseudo-third wheel for your relationship. Not just any third-wheel, a girl you know who loved your boyfriend longer than you did and someone you fucked over to get your current boyfriend. Then have the audacity to showcase your relationship despite knowing what I've written above?
That's why I felt bad for Kazusa the most. She got dragged by these two idiots she loves, taking all this shit, and still took her long enough to gather the courage to properly move on.
>it was to not push all of the three friends bullshit in the first place.
Why? She did want to become friends with Kazusa.
>I just think it's horrible to use someone's goodwill and friendship to become some sort pseudo-third wheel for your relationship.
Listen, she didn't use anyone's goodwill. She was open about her feelings for Haruki from the beginning, she never used Kazusa's good will or anything.
This seems cruel from a certain point of view.
Yeah, that's why I said if it was unavoidable. That doesn't make her decision to include Kazusa after the whole confession fiasco make her look less of a bitch. Whether or not anyone knows about her feelings in the beginning makes no difference. You won the game so you either end the game cleanly or half-ass it. We all know which one she chose.
When she was ill she was pretty cute, lying that she hated Haruki's food.
And her search for the book that Haruki gave her was awesome, can't wait til' that bit in the VN.
Imagine a VN of IC from Kazusa's POV? With her thoughts and her pain, her telling Haruki to fuck off in class whilst she thinks how much she wants Haruki to never change, I'd read it.
>Imagine a VN of IC from Kazusa's POV? With her thoughts and her pain, her telling Haruki to fuck off in class whilst she thinks how much she wants Haruki to never change, I'd read it.
Reading The Snow Melts, And Until The Snow Falls would probably help you a bit.
>And her search for the book that Haruki gave her was awesome, can't wait til' that bit in the VN.
It wouldn't be in the VN. See the omake above.
>It wouldn't be in the VN
But it is. I'd recommend reading it in-game with the music playing if possible. I believe it's the only place where you can hear a White Album duet from Kazusa and Haruki without a certain little meddler.
You see her waiting in front of your door during the winter cold.
>You will never have a Kazusa in your life
Sometimes I really wonder why I still continue to bother breathing
I've tried to write a response to this several times, trying to say that she is actually bad-tempered, lazy etc.
But it doesn't actually matter. Because Kazusa is love.
They are actually a great family. Her father might be a little bit strict, but they are always supporting and do care for her.
My God, I can listen to it forever.
More importantly.... Why White Album is so much better than Kuzu no Honkai?
It's better than most anime but Kuzu is filling the hole left by WA2 quite nicely, better than WA1 ever did.
How do you top WA2 when it did something pretty simple but fid it well, Kuzu has a few too many characters.
What pupose did this character even ultimately serve in WA1?
"I didn't get knocked out, I just happened to black out when you touched me"
Fucking Haruki, he's lucky her dad didn't hit him.
Anyone else get a warning for no reason posting in here?
Ha ha, time for me to read the last omake!
>That lying scene
Well, regardless of what happens, for me Setsuna's Birthday is over (and with it, Valentine's, thank fuck...) so regardless of what happens thanks to everyone who came, but I'm no allowing myself to post Kazusa.
>Dat Chapter 1 ending
>"......... ah, one more thing."
>"You're twenty today... happy birthday."
IT KEEPS HAPPENING
Twinkle Snow Reverie is a what-if. I think The Idol Who Forgot How To Sing covers bits of time between IC and CC.
>A month and a half, after Setsuna had turned twenty-one...
>Until the new term started, Setsuna spent her spring break as a "known shut-in".
>Of course, she wasn't hit with influenza or anything. She didn't go to the planned seminar camp and did nothing from morning to evening. In general, she avoided seeing other people.
>"Even Kitahara-san isn't inviting you? It's all over, sis."
>"Haruki-kun's going to be working for the entire spring break. He's different from you, who just keeps playing video games at home."
>"So in other words, he's not going with some other girl... well, you should just give up since you both are useless."
>She remained like this at home the entire time...
>In short, she hadn't told her family she'd broken up with him.
I see, does he comment on how different it felt to when he made love to Kazusa at all? That had to be going through his mind, right? (maybe hers too)
Also, I think people have been posting my Kazusa pics, because I can't post mine, I don't mind though it makes me happy I guess. :3
Thinking about it, Haruki must get incredibly sexually frustrated, being friends to both girls for an incredibly long time, then boyfriend to one he kisses but doesn't shag straight away (that one time he starts feeling her up outside her fuckingh ouse in the VN) and he starts lusting over the other he can't have.
No wonder Kazusa had trouble walking home the night after.
>And then she masturbated furiously, The End.
God WA1 went fucking nowhere. But thanks be to Based Rina Ogata, for inspiring Setsuna 10 years later, also she was an actual good character in WA1.
Dat volume extra
I didn't know this was a thing. Next year I'll throw in my vote.
>No wonder Kazusa had trouble walking home the night after.
This wasn't in the VN actually. I think they made that scene in the adaptation to show that it was a first time for both of them, that Haruki was inexperienced and that it hurt.
Well, I thought the scene was basically perfection in the anime, yet fucking everything gives me shit for suggesting an anime has a good non Hentai sex scene that fits in the plot.
I'll bei nterested to read it, as I thought the silence spoke volumes, they said everything they wanted to with their actions.
The fact that they're both tearing up just fucking kills me too.
I know, and I think they showed that pretty well. Another scene I think is underrated, ist he last phhonecall beforet he sex scene, where Kazusa is telling Haruki all the things he did on the phone at the swings.
>almost missed the WA2 thread
Obligatory Pillowtalk CD rankings:
Mari >= Kazusa > Setsuna >= Koharu >>> Chiaki.
I'm so glad Kazusa's version from ep 11 came out with her new vocal CD (4th link in OP). I liked that one a lot better than the original.
Oh snap, more stuff, cheers.
It hurts not knowing who all these girls are, I kinda' feel like I don't want all these extra people crowding the beatiful story set up by ICstory but I guess I have faith in the writing.
I would never underrate a scene set to Twinkle Snow culminating in a tearful kiss.
You will be able to compare her "Haruki" in anime and VN versions.
And both of them are absolutely touching.
>"You know, Kitahara...I really loved you"
> Haruki steps closer "Okay"
>"I really loved you, so when you chose Setsuna instead...I was really hurt"
>Haruki steps closer still "Okay"
>"I was really hurt...and sad..and angry!"
>Haruki is finally close enough to embrace Kazusa
"It's all your fault"
>"You shouldn't have reminded me how fun it was to play the Piano"
>"You shouldn't have shown me how painful it was to fall in love"
>"You made me want to move forward, you made me want to move away from here!"
>"Touma. Touma!" embraces
>"Call me Kazusa, that's who I am"
Scenes like this make me wish I could make videos of the eipisodes I have, fucking jack shit of WA2 on the internet besides the sex scene.
There's always fucking one.
Anyway, I forgot to mention how she said he reminded her how fun it was to play the Piano again shows just how far back they became connected, long before Setsuna was even a thing.
Do people really like WA2 enough to painstakingly read through them with a texthooker?
Have to say it does feel good removing my secondary status finally.
Happy birthday Setsuna despite being late.
Man, thanks for recommending this one on the thread few weeks before this one. I thought WA2 was 24 episode (I wish) since I watched WA1 and I expect it to be such but too bad its not. Definitely want it to be one, just to see a different perspective of each character's thought.
Just a few minutes watching episode 1, I know that I'm in for a wild ride and the last one that I remember that gives me one is Kimi ga Nozomu Eien.
Since I watch WA1 despite it being a borefest, its a surprise how influential are the songs from there. Haruki playing White Album, Sound of Destiny and Powder Snow on guitar makes it all worth it watching WA1 at least. There is also the karaoke playing ガラスの華 and the karaoke showing other tracks of Rina's songs (theres even Red Orpheus that I didn't heard yet but I know its on the Sound Stage Drama CD)
After watching this, I know now why anons love it, as I can't speak for everyone, I think this is because how relationships are handled in this show, as the discussion here and the recent thread proves.
Rina Ogata is the only reason I trudge through WA1, I actually hope she wins, but Touya is a shit character.
Good thing Kazusa is a Rina fan.
>Man, thanks for recommending this one on the thread few weeks before this one. I thought WA2 was 24 episode (I wish) since I watched WA1 and I expect it to be such but too bad its not. Definitely want it to be one, just to see a different perspective of each character's thought.
This is what it's all about, or one thing anyway, getting new people into the series. I hope you try the VN in the OP if you feel the 13 episodes just weren't enough, as well as all the Omakes in the thread.
>its a surprise how influential are the songs from there.
I like to think that Rina Ogata inadvertently brought all three characters of WA2 together 10 years in the making when she recorded herm usic (I guess Yuki too). Seeing as it was WA that got Haruki and Touma to sort of bond and it was Setsuna singing it that alerted HAruki to her talent.
So as garbage as WA1 is (Why not just focus on one route for the anime, I can't stand that boring Actress bitch and her cuck boyfriend) and how little it has to do with WA2, WA2 managed to connect to it in a neat way.
>Sound of Destiny
>Call from Eve
Rina has the coolest-sounding song titles. The actual Sound of Destiny song wasn't as dramatic as the title suggested, so I wonder about the others. Should check them out sometime.
>how far back they became connected, long before Setsuna was even a thing.
The scene where Kazusa realized that Haruki had been learning to play instead of getting prepared for exams (because she told him to do that) was beautiful.
Rina was fucking cool man, too bad her brother was insufferably pretentious. She was also the only one to truly care about Yuki in the end, the Powder Snow duet was great too.
Is WA1 VN translated? I am looking it up and it sounds pretty good, Touya isn't a indecisive cunt who sleeps around apparently, becayse, yes, I'm willing to take in anything tangentially related to WA2 at this point.
>This is fine for just today.
>It's fine if we have fun. It's fine if we're happy.
>It's fine if the two of us are playing...
Kazusa and Haruki's relationship seems to be defined on all these invisible things, things they did but hid from one another and how they felt for each other, sometimes without eiher of them realising that's what they were doing.
I just finished WA1. What the fuck was that? Who wrote this? How was it possible that this and WA2 had any relation to each other beyond the songs?
I went into WA1 expecting to like Yuki since she sang White Album and I liked that over Sound of Destiny at the school festival, but now I'm hardcore Rina.
One of the shittiest shows I've seen in a long time.
I liked Yuki at first but she was such a fucking pushover and her relationship to Touya was so nearly non-existent that I'm not sure why I was supposed to care, I thought the inside going ons of the cutthroat Pop Idol industry wouldb e interesting but it falls by the wayside.
Reminder that everyone, including Rina, betrays Yuki but only Rina comes clean about it almosy immediately, because she was the only person on the show who truly loved Yuki as afriend, that's why she's based.
Take em all. That what I gonna say. Since torrents are dead on it when I found them, I'm forced to ddl them in FLAC then convert them to mp3 320. A bit tiring but all worth it.
Guess I'm doing it again at WA2,
It helps that Nana Mizuki is the one who is singing Rina's songs.
My exact thoughts when I start WA1 anime.
That's the thing that really gets me. Usually if you're with someone for that long you change as a person so as to better get along with them. Likewise they change as a person to better get along with you.
Despite that it didn't change a damn thing. Half a decade down the drain in an instant.
>Accompany me, have sex with me, play games with me, just do things with me.
> Comparing shit to something godly
You say it's a feeling. With thoughts alone it seem it's impossible to understand.
This song however felt like it was a step in the right direction. In the context of the series it has a great deal of significance.
Again though it remains tied to fiction.
Dare I say that some of us like to dream of making such a connection and this is one of the things that got WA2 popular?
I dont think I've ever rooted for a couple more than these two.
Imagine not knowing how incomplete you were til' you met someone, someone who is your soulmate, someone you thought you were going to lose forever when they said they were leaving the country.
Imagine what consumating those feelings after weeks of holding back and bottling it all up, that's what it probably felt like.
I don't think you can feel it anymore when you're an adult. you become too cynical for genuine feelings like in anime. it can only happen when you're still a dumb teenager who thinks anything is possible.
Tell me about this new show, why does it honk the kudzu?
That is literally the only part of the anime I thought was too much, At least the way they framed it as you described, if they just tearfully embraced it would be ok but it just seemed uncharacteristically cruel on their part.
I have to admit it was more hilarious than expected with audio, even if I felt bad afterward.
There's so much to like about that, she literally knocked herself unconcsious just to finish it, that and the fact that she was talented enough to even compose it, the perfecth armony ofh er music and his words and the fact that she didn't feel then eed to change a single word.
I think the one tricky part would be the subtitles. Otherwise you could just remux the video/audio into an .mp4 container, and Youtube would probably take it.
It looks like some sub file formats can be uploaded separately. Not .ass, but you might be able to convert the .ass to something supported if there isn't a lot of fancy typesetting in the clip.
The last resort would be reencoding the video with hardsubs.
Disclaimer: I've never uploaded to Youtube or done subbing myself.
Maybe VNfags would know. Takeya might've thought so when he passed her the script.
Yes, it is.
It is depressing and beautiful at the same time. And WA2 can be described in exactly the same terms: depressing and beautiful.
I almost feel like earlier when I said the 'Haruki/Kazusa marry in the room they first kissed' in was absolutely perfect, and it was, but it still kinda' leaves Setsuna out, not just from the group but from a satisfying concluding arc, but I don't know how I'd end her story either.
Harukik new he loved her all that time ago?
>Harukik new he loved her all that time ago?
Depressing is pretty much WA2's mood. This song kinda defines Setsuna' love in that despite the repetitive betrayal ultimately she still loves him for who he is and is willing to forgive and move on. That's how people can see her as an angel.
Todokanai koi is more fitting as best song tho. The entire love triangle cluster fuck fits way too well.
Beautiful, yes, but Maruto himself said that there wasn't really any deep meaning behind it and that it was really just a tossup between having her sing Todokanai koi or Powder snow, and since he felt that the former would be a little awkward considering the situation he went with the latter. I feel like people read a bit too deep into the song choice there, but it's understandable I suppose.
Yasashii uso is the best song by the way.
>I don't know how I'd end her story either.
She has her own ending in her own after story.
Well yeah Setsuna already got all the CC for her development. I actually consider stop at the end of CC because it's the sastifising ending for her and I didn't care much for Kazusa.
On that note reminder that cheating is best route and is a better conclusion than both true ending
I appreciate the effort, I will also try, since this is something I want to actually do, just don't have time right now.
He means the Kazusa normal route, which in the PS3/Vita version is called the "cheating" (浮気）route.
I would also say that it's the best ending in the original game, though I prefer Kazusa's afterstory over the extra episode (不倶戴天の君へ).
Setsuna fag actually. I liked those 2 route's resolution - burning the bridge and Setsuna the savior are both nice but the situation leads to that is way too forced. Fucking 5 years and they still decide things like when they were in high school.
Cheating route is the most likely result and most belieable. We dont have the sappy "my mother got cancer now I have no one to wipe my ass", just plain passion between the old love that leave both broken.
No she doesn't. Don't think too deep on it. The most important takeaway from that scene is Setsuna's final line "私は今でも歌っています" which was just to let them know she's fine. See >>153520839
>We dont have the sappy "my mother got cancer now I have no one to wipe my ass"
err is that really how Touma takes that situation?
>tfw listening to that song and only understanding three words out of it
What do you want WA3 to be? A sequel to WA2 or another 'WA2' which only certain parts of WA1 and made it's own story?
I have to say...there really isn't any point in trying to surpass WA2, it really is just that good.
>err is that really how Touma takes that situation
No, anon is overly exaggerating. That said, her mother is just as, if not more, important to her than Haruki, and she doesn't take the news of her mother's condition all too well. I'll leave it at that.
I don't think anybody in the industry at the moment has the balls to take on the White Album name after 2.
Like, dude. If you choose a song to sing for your love on valentine would you pick a song with "fuck you bitch im tired of your old ass get the fuck off my house"? Same shit here. She choosed a song knowingly that it has those "I still love you" words on it, at least it means she doesn't mind being seen as she is still in love.
>if not more, important to her than Haruki,
I know it's her mother but damn, I find thathard to imagine, lol.
I hope Haruki offered her a shoulder to cry on. ;_;
It's not even a question of skill or balls imo, more 'what's the point', WA2 is the peak and should just be recognised as such to save everyone a lot of time.
Worst thing is when i learnt Japanese I learnt to play VN. WA2 is pretty much my 1st one entirely read in japanese and now I don't have the motivation to read anything else.
God damn it nips I know you can do it. Shit out some more kamige pretty please
She really shouldn't have sent that message, it's just harder on everyone, god damn it Setsuna you
Such a great song, not just the song but everything it respresented with that sort of thing, the anime witholding it til' the very end was a really good idea too.
This might sound really fucking stupid, but isn't Japan heavy on words thath avem ultiple meanings? How do you know you haven't missed any nuances of the author's writing? Or is the whole 'lost in translation' a phenomenom you just have to live with?
Finally found a Powder Snow vid with the english lyrics as the song goes, song is 100 times better when you don't need to look up the translation after listening.
WA2's japanese is actually pretty simple and straightforward. It's just emotional and realistic in that it feels like what normal people would actually think and do, not the fancy "she come like a wind in mid december" kind of thing. So I would say there aren't that much detail that I missed.
And at one point you start to think and look up things in japanese so the whole 'lost in translation' feel more like "I'm 12 and I have no idea what they are talking about, time to look it up"
You can interpret it however you see fit. I've heard Maruto's explanation and I agree with it. If you want to write your own headcanon that's your business. I'm just stating facts.
Going by the translated omakes, the author's writing style makes it tricky to keep track of who's saying which lines sometimes. (I guess voiced lines would fix that.) Also the parts where a character's lines are interspersed with their thoughts.
>Fucking 5 years and they still decide things like when they were in high school.
Why? Burning bridges is nothing like a high school thing.
>Cheating route is the most likely result and most belieable
You give Haruki too little credit.
After that pic of Kazusa in a bridal dress I want to know how fulfilling their life of love together was, til' the heartbreaking last days of one passing away before the other.
Actually that was one I thing I would argue that was like high school thing the most. I would have no problem at all if he throws everything away was he young and stupid. But now having a job and is most basically married? Give me a break. Had Kazusa's mom didn't die then no way he would ever do it.
>You give Haruki too little credit.
Yeah because the faggot deserves none. Partially because Setsuna wouldn't let him men up too
>I would have no problem at all if he throws everything away was he young and stupid. But now having a job and is most basically married? Give me a break
As for me it would be vice versa. Over those five years he has finally grown to have enough resolve to make a decision that would bring a lot of pain and change his life but still it would be a final irreversible decision.
I didn't know I was such a sucker for this kind of story until WA2. Muv luv was pretty damn good and left me hollow inside for weeks too, but not like this. The kind of pure and straight up romance like this is just a diffirent beast when it comes to fuck up your emotion.
Hopefully nips can shit out some more stories like this
The thing is it's not really his decision though. It's Kazusa's stituation that force him to make it, their love it self was never strong enough to beat the 5 years. Mom's death is the thing that tips the scale to let him go full maryr mode.
That's why I don't like the true endings. The stituation is stupid and force Haruki to make that choice. If her mom didn't die then we would be looking at another cheating route.
>It's Kazusa's stituation that force him to make it, their love it self was never strong enough to beat the 5 years.
Congratulations, you just missed the whole point of coda.
>Mom's death is the thing that tips the scale to let him go full maryr mode.
What are you even talking about? Yoko doesn't die in any route.
Welp kinda forgot if she lived or died, just remember that it leads to Kazusa's break down.
Point still stands tho. Maybe I should have said it like this. Haruki still loves Kazusa more than Setsuna, but as it is Haruki will never be able to cut the job, the relationship and Setsuna just to be together with Kazusa (normal condition). The whole point of coda is finding a tipping point for him to break out of the 5 years mold, but using that 'she has no one left but me' is cheap and unsastifying. Look at CC, there is no incident nor 'twist' to make Haruki come back for Setsuna yet they did get together. In constract to that Coda need the gimmick to get to the climax.
You are still missing the point. It's not Yoko's condition that brings him back to Kazusa. It's not her loneliness etc. It's exactly those deep feelings they both had for each other. He doesn't choose the damsel in distress, he chooses the girl he loved the most, the girl who came to Japan just because he had wanted to hear a song from her.
Yeah and tell me he would choose her despite the 5 years?
As I said if it wasnt for her mom we would be looking at another cheating route that leave Haruki broken. He is not strong enought to cut Setsuna down by himself.
>Yeah and tell me he would choose her despite the 5 years?
>As I said if it wasnt for her mom we would be looking at another cheating route that leave Haruki broken.
She has cancer in all the routes. Like I said, you're fixated on her sickness, but it has nothing to do with his choice.
>He is not strong enought to cut Setsuna down by himself.
>She has cancer in all the routes. Like I said, you're fixated on her sickness, but it has nothing to do with his choice.
Well there are 3 routes in Coda, 1 he doesn't know about it, another 2 he is forced to make a choice.
And now that you tell me about that other route. The objectively better choice here is to ask Setsuna for help, I would concede everypoint about your 'love win everything' if Haruki burnt the bridge here to get together with Kazusa but did he?
Seeing in Kazusa true they never did come face to face with Setsuna until everything was over I would say neither of them have the ball to do cut Setsuna down in normal situation. They are experts at running away tho that much I admit
>1 he doesn't know about it, another 2 he is forced to make a choice
He gets to know about it after he makes a choice. Come on, man, you just don't make sense.
>The objectively better choice here is to ask Setsuna for help
For what help? Help them get together or what?
>Seeing in Kazusa true they never did come face to face with Setsuna until everything was over I would say neither of them have the ball to do cut Setsuna down in normal situation.
What do you mean by 'everything was over'? After they both made that decision, they both told Setsuna about it.
>He gets to know about it after he makes a choice.
Well I didn't remember Haruki know yoko gets cancer in cheating route? Mind remind me when did he get to know about it?
>For what help? Help them get together or what?
To help Kazusa get on her feet. Haruki is only good at spoiling Kazusa, what she needs is someone who can knock some sense into her, which only Setsuna can do.
>What do you mean by 'everything was over'? After they both made that decision, they both told Setsuna about it.
They made the decision, that was over, final, no taking back. The entire time they went around Setsuna back did they even attemps to confront her? Kazusa never met Setsuna, Haruki never utter a words. They love each other but their love is only strong enough for cheating.
>Well I didn't remember Haruki know yoko gets cancer in cheating route?
No, what I meant is that he made decisions to choose or not to choose Kazusa even before knowing about her mother's sickness.
>To help Kazusa get on her feet.
She is alright. She doesn't need anyone to get on her feet. Haruki chooses to be with her because he loves her.
>They made the decision, that was over, final, no taking back. The entire time they went around Setsuna back did they even attemps to confront her? Kazusa never met Setsuna, Haruki never utter a words.
I don't get you. The situation is like this: Haruki decides to leave with Kazusa. Then he goes to inform Setsuna and her parents about it. She then meets with Kazusa who tells her pretty much the same thing.
Do you suggest that they had to meet Setsuna before making decision to leave? For what purpose? To DISCUSS it with her? Like, hey, Setsuna, I want to leave you and go to Europe with Kazusa, what do you think?
>No, what I meant is that he made decisions to choose or not to choose Kazusa even before knowing about her mother's sickness.
Oh well I should have said Kazusa's break down then, sorry for that. I just remembered that because Kazusa was at the end of her rope so Haruki was forced the decision.
>She is alright. She doesn't need anyone to get on her feet. Haruki chooses to be with her because he loves her.
Jesus youre arguing she is perfectly fine functioning as a human? Without her piano she can't do anything. The girl need help to grow up, not another maid to spoil her.
>Do you suggest that they had to meet Setsuna before making decision to leave?
Well that's impossible I agree. If they have faced her before the decision no way they would ever be able to leave. Oh well I just want Kazusa and Setsuna have a honest talk beforehand like in Setsuna true, not just a visit to inform her that they already decided, get over it like that
>I just remembered that because Kazusa was at the end of her rope so Haruki was forced the decision.
He wasn't forced to decide. You just made this conclusion assuming she broke down because her mother died\was one the verge of death\etc. But in reality it wasn't anything like that. He decided to be with Kazusa not because of some circumstances, but because her realised that his love for her is still there and it is as strong as it was.
>If they have faced her before the decision no way they would ever be able to leave.
They would be, but that's not the point. Telling her about the decision before that decision is made just makes no sense.
>The girl need help to grow up, not another maid to spoil her.
What she really needs is not some growth or anything. She only needs one person in the world to be happy.
Well fuck. Ok gonna reread that part. I was pretty sure there is a last decision where he either ask setsuna for help or deal with it himself.
I was looking up for summary and walkthrough but cant really recall it. See you next thread then
>Kazusa is genetically predisposed to leukemia
Some translations from the previous thread.
Youko: "Looks like my daughter caused you a lot of problems last night"
Haruki: "Just in case, we didn't do anything, ok?"
Youko: "I see, that's unfortunate"
Haruki: for who?
Youko: "Excuse the intrusion. ah, I'll drink it with 4 cubes of sugar, lots of milk too."
Haruki:"...coffee or tea?"
Youko: "Ah, sorry, coffee. if it's instant, half a teaspoon."
Youko: "now then, where's my foolish daughter... eh?"
Haruki: "I'm sorry, I'd have woken her up if I knew you were coming"
watching Kazusa sleeping on the bed, Youko made a difficult expression.
Youko: "since when has she been sleeping?"
Haruki: "she's been sleeping for near 12hrs, she had a fever, so she went to sleep right after eating."
well, not counting the time I spent scolding her.
Youko: "she ate?"
Haruki: "yeah, just some rice gruel with vegetables though, and some desert, I guess..."
I say that while trying to not raise my voice, and not mind the completely empty bottle of jam I had in my fridge
Youko: "i completely lost"
she changed the expression she had, and like westerners do, she raised both her hands in an exaggerated expression.
Is there something wrong? Is Kazusa weak at getting up? ...just like Setsuna...
Youko: "what do you mean you don't have a place in Japan? is this place extraterritorial territory? I completely lost as your mother.
Youko: "what's with this happy sleeping face? I should write on it. Guitar-kun, got a marker? an oil based one."
Haruki:"I do, but I won't give it to you."
Youko-san kept peeking at Kazusa's sleeping face and mumbling complaints.
Haruki: "here's your sweetened water, I mean coffee"
Youko: "thank you, mhh, it's kind of bitter..."
They really are mother and daughter
Youko: "So this is your castle, guitar-kun, it's really small"
Haruki: "I'll let you know I'm just a regular employee"
Youko: "Oh, I see your guitar over there, hope you don't mind..."
Haruki: "...go ahead..."
Youko: "mmm it's acoustic guitar, worth around 10000yen?"
Haruki: "more, 15000 yen"
I have more things to say, but she doesn't seem to be acting with malice...
*Youko plays a kickass little tune*
now wait a moment.
there was an humiliating memory 5 years ago where I was shown how inferior my skills with the guitar were by a rebel classmate of mine...
but what is happening here is in no way different from that.
Youko: "mmh, I haven't played in like 10 years... I'm in really bad shape"
These mother and daughter pair, how much are they going to make me despair
until they're satisfied?
Youko: "looks like you haven't been playing much, your skill will decline, Guitar-kun"
Haruki: "My name is Kitahara, please stop calling me "guitar-kun"
Youko: "ah, I might just bothered the neighboors, you'll have to go apologize later"
Haruki: "it's fine, the room next to this is empty right now"
And she doesn't plan to go apologize herself?
Youko: "Ooh? that's nice to know. That's really nice to know"
>surprising considering I hated her for leaving Kazusa
Haruki felt the same when he met her first.
>Their child is also predisposed to leukemia
You think he'd go for the edgy hero life? I wholeheartedly disagree.
Haruki would resort to eradicating all life on the planet so that never again will anyone experience such terrible loss. In his mind it would be the single greatest act of heroism anyone has ever done.
>Haruki would resort to eradicating all life on the planet
He is Haruki, not Kazuki.
She gave her best and tried to make things work. She was human and a great character. Happy birthday, Setsuna!
Would it be a good end for Setsuna to pursue a pop idol career? Would suit her imo and it's better than thinking of a new man for her and she loves to sing.
Would love to see Haruki/Kazusa and family see her perform Powder Snow live.
Where have you been? Pic related.
If you're anime only she's the "circle crusher" from episode 1. She joins the crew halfway through Setsuna's route in CC.
I cringe at this part when I rewatch WA2.
I knew what scene that was without opening the thumbnail.