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Gabriel Dropout

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Why are the subs so shit? They ruined the whole episode.

>inb4 shit subs defense force
>inb4 Daiz
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Is there an actual reason the subs are so awful for this show?
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HELLA
AWESOME
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>>153428679
Nobody in HS was interested to sub it so they leave it to a retard to do it, who obviously doesn't want to do it as well. And this is the result.
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Kill yourself herkz.
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>EOPs circlejerking about bad translations
Hilarious.
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>>153428772
I find it funny how they insist the subs are bad yet can't find a single translator to take their side.
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>>153428772
EOP doesn't apply to anime you fucking subhuman. Lurk more.
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Wait for FFF or learn Japanese you asshat.
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>>153428868
FFF is practically unchanged you idiot
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>>153428868
>FFF
But they are using the CR script.
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>>153428772
>Cartelfags circlejerking about the translation being good because one of them did it
It's completely obvious by now, you know.
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But those are great subs.
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>>153428979
>Cartelfags circlejerking
see >>153428633
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>>153428633
>2017
>still need subs
Stop crying and learn Japanese already. Also, the localization is fine.
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>>153429057
>localization
I think you meant lolcalization
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What did we do to deserve all this? I'd take even Hadena over being forced to watch either Commie or nothing.
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>>153429057
If I needed subs how would I know the subs are completely different from what the characters are saying?
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>>153428633
Why is Satania so shit? She ruined the entire episode.
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>>153428633
Commie and Daiz were a mistake.
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>>153428816
EOP absolutely applies to anime. It always has.
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>>153429098
>Hadena
Be careful what you wish for anon.
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>>153429120
Then why do you care? It's not like you pay for crunchyroll.
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>>153428816
>EOP doesn't apply to anime
Are you retarded? It simply means English Only Peasant, simple as that. It is not related only to VN/LN/games. You should stop believing knowyourmeme and urbandictionary about definitions of some words and follow your own advice of lurking more.
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>>153428762
>HS
>doing subs
Unholy shit nigga, you anta baka
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Satania > Vigne > Tapris > Class Rep > Raphi >>>> Gabriel
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>>153429230
>you opinion only matters if you pay
You're being too obvious once again.
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>>153428816
EOP spotted.
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>>153428633
So what's wrong with those subs?
She uses lame hell/devil related puns in original, she has lame hell/devil related in subs.
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>>153429308
Gabriel > Vigne > Tapris > Class Rep > Raphi >>>> Satania
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>starting the thread with this already
Great, thanks OP.
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>>153429309
Nice argument.
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>>153428868
fff is worse
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>>153429410
Nice argument.
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>>153429384
she does not.
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That herkz sjw is probably samefagging so he can screencap posts and tweet them. The guy is really pathetic, acting like he has the high ground when he's here 24/7 just fishing for posts.

You can't really make this shit up.
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This anime needs more Tapris and class president.

Did anyone catch the end card?
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>http://www.crunchyroll.com/help?topic=contact
Fuck off you all.
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>>153428633
Stop complaining or I'll make you laugh.
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>>153429140
Satania is best. But I kind of agree with you on this episode.
The whole episode seemed a bit forced, especially Satania.
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>>153429491
>herks pls share my post on twitter
Stop giving that fag attention he is not even a translator.
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>>153429491
I only complain about the translation to try to get onto Herkz様's twitter.
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So Satania's the MC now right?
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I wish Doki or Chihiro or Desu was subbing Gabriel Dropout. We wouldn't have to deal with shitty liberal subs otherwise.
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>>153428633
Fuck, I guess Animax Asia couldn't avoid using the "cry uncle" line either. Far less shitty shoehorned puns than every HS episode I've seen so far. What did HS use for Raphie's "offside" line? AA didn't change that line, but the second set of points they said something about a "double dribble".
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>>153429565
>Doki or Chihiro
lol
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Reminder that this happened: https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=897178
>someone dares to complain about the subs
>every single mod within 5km shows up to defend them
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>>153429491
>i don't care about /a/ anymore
>still doing ego search
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>>153429565
>I can't read subs if they aren't written by fellow fascists

Good to know anon
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>>153429098
You should try google translate, it's as good as Hadena I swear.
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>>153428679
CR hired some retard from Commie or gg to do the "translation".

And now, even with absolutely 0 (zero) Japanese knowledge, you constantly have to wonder what the character really said or meant.
The reality is worse though since tons of people on /a/ has minimum japanese knowledge to understand basic anime shit and they notice the retarded memes even more.

Of course your average CR subscriber probably doesn't give a shit and the """"translator"""" gets hardons from /a/'s bitching.
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>>153429585
To be fair, it isn't the first time I've seen "cry uncle" be used as a translation for "gyafun" or whatever the fuck that's supposed to be.
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>>153429598
Daiz sucks a lot of dicks and give away privileges to people who follow him.
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>>153429598
>The subs are A+ because they were reviewed by a translator (ie someone who actually knows Japanese and understands the process) and determined to be of good quality. Interestingly, pretty much all the translators and people who actually speak Japanese who I know love the subs (one professional TL has done a couple of twitter threads now highlighting particularly good lines), while all the people who have complained still need subs to watch their anime. Weird how that works.
>There's no one right way to translate, and if you disagree with the approach here, wouldn't it be a more worthwhile use of your time to put out a release translated the way you want instead of complaining on the internet and making demands of people who, let's face it, owe you nothing?
And the guy complaining got fucking told.
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>>153429565
Wrong board kiddo.
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>>153429655
I tried, but kitsunekko doesn't have GabDro subs sadly enough.
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>>153429689
Kill yourself, FFF.
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Have you praised your goddess yet?
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>>153429723
Nice argument.
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>>153429565
Seconding. Even Hadena would be more accurate than these rewrites that we get.
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>>153429724
Does spraying it on her belly count?
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>>153429689
How so? It's the same garbage: "I assume you don't know japaense therefore stfu."
Which is bullshit.
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http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=61443872
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>>153429689
>trusting Commie's cocksucking buddies
Kek.
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>>153429772
Spraying what?
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>>153429798
>I assume
But he literally doesn't know japanese.
>I already said I don't know enough japanese (or have the technical skills) to do my own releases.
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>>153429724
Actually worshipped her a few minutes ago.
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>>153429831
Urine.
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>>153429598
Now I see who is the OP of this post.
>I already said I don't know enough japanese
>but I will complain about quality of subs anyway!
You can cry more about CR shills, Daiz, Commie and gg (though I bet you wasn't even here when they subbed their last show), but you still won't fit in.
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>>153429848
How did you show her your faith, anon?
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EVERYONE

STOP ARGUING ABOUT THE SUBTITLES
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>>153428762
Neo-/a/, folks
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>>153429666
Thanks, Kurumizawa-sama!
>>153421076
Aside from >>153429585 and "if you do that (cutting her wire) it will really rain blood", I didn't see anything that's near as memey as what we're complaining about.
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HERKZ QUOTE ME ON YOUR TWITTER AND PUT 'lol' WITH YOUR FRIEND TOO PLEASE!
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>>153428633
>hurrdurr learn japanese!!
This is the only defense they have.

These shit subs shouldn't be defended.
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>>153429889
no
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>>153429831
The fruits of my labor.
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>>153429836
>he
It's not just "he". It's the same argument used everywhere, including on /a/. Even though, in practice, you don't even need to know Japanese to feel that something is wrong with the script and constantly wondering about what was really said in the original.
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>>153429820
delet this
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>>153429823
Not an argument. If the guys that know japanese said the TL is fine then fucking hell, the TL is fine.
Learn japanese if you want to complain.
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>>153429866
Please try something else, that "but you don't even know Japanese" thing is getting old.
>you still won't fit in.
Are you fucking serious
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>>153429887
I stroked my penis back and forth for a bit.
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>waah the subs are shit
>anons still watch them
Admit it, there's nothing wrong with CR.
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>>153428633

>Being a SJW doesn't affect your translation skills at all
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>>153429960
Nintendo Treehouse please leave.
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>>153429949
>you don't even need to know Japanese to feel that something is wrong with the script and constantly wondering about what was really said in the original
The translators have said you're not missing out on what's being said because the localization gives the message accurately. Your lack of knowledge on the language and /a/ being dumb as usual is what's playing tricks on your mind.
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>>153428633
>why Satania is so hot? She make me all et
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>>153429904
>you will never suck Herkz cock/vagina/thing
Feels bad man.
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>>153429960
Think of it this way.
Your translation is so bad that even people with a minimum of Japanese knowledge can tell.
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>>153430018
Filtered
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>you will never wake up to this
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>>153430043
>all et
tripfags in charge of anything
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>KOWAI DESU
>KOWAI DESU
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>>153430081
Just shoot me.
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>>153430018
Go back to twitter you piece of shit.
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>bringing a .44 magnum to class

How was Satania not expelled?
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I think, I could sell my kidney to get realdoll Gabu.
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>>153430041
>kouhai=friend
This translation sure delivers the message accurately and doesn't miss out on what the characters are saying at all.
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>>153429982
95 posts in the thread and not a single person said what exactly is wrong with subs. So try pointing out at least one single thing.
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>>153430101
>filthy EOPs don't know Kowai Kowai is an christian-buddhist syncretic chant/mantra developed because of shogunate crackdown on christianity
Apply yourself.
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>>153429772
>on

You misspelled "in"
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>>153430144
>kouhai=friend
She was talking about an upperclassmen and underclassmen relationship. Something like friendship.
Unless you want to said she wanted a Class S relationship the translation is correct.
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Nothing is really wrong with the subs. They aren't completely accurate but you still get the gist of what is being said. The only people whining are autists mad that it isn't 100% accurate like the kitchen sink gag which would confuse the fuck out of most viewers.
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>Why Satania is so hot? She make me all wet!
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>When the meme cartel ignores your posts.
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>>153430193
I don't believe you
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>>153430041
>Your lack of knowledge
Assuming, again. Just like I said.

>The cartel circlejerk have said
Hilarious.

You don't need to cram memes and puns and "localisations" in the script to give the message accurately.
Only commie/gg retards do this inane crap. And you do lose meaning with their shit localisation and the whole thing feels contrived and forced.
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>>153430109
No thanks faggot.
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>>153430243
The kitchen sink gag let a lot more people confused than there would be if they didn't change it at all.
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>>153429598
Like how their only defence is "do it better yourself"
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>>153430243
The kitchen sink gag confused me in the 'translation' because LITERALLY NOBODY uses the phrase like that.

t. Native English speaker.
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>>153430243
>like the kitchen sink gag which would confuse the fuck out of most viewers.
So literally nothing would change then?
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>>153430284
>Kakure Kirishitans are called the "hidden" Christians because they continued to practice Christianity in secret. They worshipped in secret rooms in private homes. As time went on, the figures of the saints and the Virgin Mary were transformed into figurines that looked like the traditional statues of the Buddha and bodhisattvas. The prayers were adapted to sound like Buddhist chant
There you go.
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>>153430320
I mean if you're so good with this translation thing you should do it instead
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>2015+2
>needing subs

Can casual /v/ please go?
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>>153430235
A senpai kouhai relationship is a pretty common thing in Japan.
And Class S does not specifically mean it is done with an upperclassmen and underclassmen.
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>>153428679
Person making the subs got buttblasted in these threads.
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>>153430382
>You can't criticise something unless you are willing to do it yourself
Okay autismo.
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>>153430383
>this is your average tripfag

christ have mercy
lord have mercy
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>Without watching shit Gabriel
>one just cannot tell
>how best can Satania be
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>>153429689
>professional TL has done a couple of twitter threads now highlighting particularly good lines
>Kowai
>translated to Lord Have Mercy
can you even consider this translation at this point?
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>>153430442
If you have the time to complain you could edit the subs and release your improved version.
Nobody has done that, why is that?
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>>153430497
I thought about doing that but shitposting is too fun.
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>>153430375
So Kowai Kowai is a chant.

But what is Kowai desu?
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Fucking lmao.
Nyaa needs a [Rewrite] tag like on exhentai.

Why not just rewrite everything completely actually?
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>>153430470
But don't you get it anon she's an angel so everything she says must have a reference to her status
This is also perfectly natural, and nobody would ever question why they insist in adding so many idioms into everything they say
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>>153430274
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>>153430470
How is "lord have mercy" not a translation for a girl being scared?
What would you have done in this situation?
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>>153429226
Well Hadena doesn't know Japanese or English while memecartel subs are made by people who do but chose to "spice up" the script. And CR subscribers are taste-deaf.
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>>153430546
but she never added them herself in Japanese? Forcing puns into shit where they dont exist reminds me of GG subs
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>>153430497
>If you have the time to complain you could edit the subs and release your improved version
Really dude?
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>>153430595
Jokes on you, I'm an atheist.
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Why haven't you killed yourself yet, herkz? Just do the world a favor already.
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>>153430608
Yes. He's being facetious.
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>>153430544
>release subs and change dialogue, adding in shitty unfunny puns everywhere
>if you complain about it we'll just tell you to learn japanese!
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>>153430595
Do you translate "Oi!" as
"Hey, faggot! Over here asshole!" too?
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>>153430609
Are you saying you can't do it?
I mean, the subs are SO bad even hadena could do it better.

>>153430637
What would you do with the translation. That's what I was asking.
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>>153428633
The last string is good though.
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>>153430595
because there's literally only one intention. If she wanted the lords mercy she would've said so in Japanese. Might as well translate it "heavens to besty!" because shes scared.
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??????
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Alright this is what I got so far. Throw ideas for improvements or just tell me it's shit.
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>>153430697
It's shit.
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There is nothing wrong with localizations. I can read nip and I still played the new ace attorney in english. There are differences sure, but both can be fun in their own ways. I'm sure if you guys actively learned jap, you'd realize trying a 1 to 1 literal translation is pure garbage.
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>>153430680
Japanese and English doesn't work the same way.
A literal translation would make no sense in English.
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I want to take Gab-chan home.
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>>153430697
>evil deeds
>eops
>kitchen sink
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>>153430144
>>153430101
So you are that butthurt retard from nya comment section.

You're just one of those retards who can only pick honorifics, kouhai, one-sama, sensei and other absolutely entry level shit. Same shit that was discussed here million times. I haven't seen much threads about it past few years and I thought everyone finally got tired of it. I thought people finally understood how it can be translated. But turns out there are always fresh newfags like you who think they know something about japanese and translations only because they know what "-kun" and "one-sama" mean.

It's not just CR translators and some FFF faggots. Every single person who browses /a/ for more than 2 years will say you're a fucking retard.
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>>153430697
Raphi does get better every episode.
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>>153430671
>What would you do with the translation
tl note こわい means frightening
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>>153430742
except you can translate kowai, its not a fucking genji monogatari passage that is literally untranslatable into englsih
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>>153430697
Not enough complaints about the subs.
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>>153430595
It's not a translation. It's more like an interpretation. Or a rewrite.
Just like >>153430544

Things like this change the meaning completely. It makes characters look something that they are not.
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What does Gab smell like?
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>>153430697
does this imply /u/ won?
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Where's Hadena when you need them?
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>>153430767
So you wouldn't even translate it?
You say "Frightening" when you're scared. That's weird.
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>>153430762
You're both fucking retards.
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>>153430744
She's gonna piss all over the carpet.
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>>153430812
Old sweat.
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>>153430734
Nintendo fuck off
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>>153430595
how is Bless us, O Lord, and these your gifts, which we are about to receive from your bounty. Through Christ our Lord. Amen. not a translation for itadakimasu
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>>153430742
The anime is full of Christian imaginery so if the author wanted his characters saying 'Lord have mercy' he would have them saying Kamisama habu merusi or something
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>>153430812
bags of sand and coins
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>>153430762
I'm pretty sure the guy from the Nyaa comments has already killed himself. Because of YOU
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>the cartel is now saying that being a "professional" is a mark of quality
What the hell happened? Weren't they always the first ones to complain about CR and Funi when they fucked up?
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>>153430766
No she doesn't.
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>>153430824
Sure. They get to die and leave this horrible place.
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Why is this demon an angel?
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>>153430795
>except you can translate kowai
Yes, and they translated it into "god have mercy".
Or are you trying to say it should have been translated as "scary"? Person saying "scary scary" doesn't sound natural in English.
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>>153430850
The author can use "kowai"
The translator can't just write "frightening" and believe that's how people normally speak.
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>>153430734
This isn't even localization, it's literally just translators adding in their own retarded jokes.
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>>153430850
maybe the author is just a bad writer and the subs are an improvement
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>>153430875
That was before CR and Funi paid them.
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>>153430875
Being professional means nothing in the anime/vn industry. It just means that some fansubbing memelord gets paid instead of doing it for free.
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>>153430829
So it's okay for japs to say "frightening" and nothing else when they're scared, but it isn't for English speakers?
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>>153430875
>Weren't they always the first ones to complain about CR and Funi when they fucked up?
They do that. If nobody is complaining about Gabriel Dropout then maybe /a/ is wrong this time.
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Let us performing the summoning ritual.

10bit Hi10P h.264 Nyaa Commie Underwater MPC VLC Daiz Diaz Artifacts Grain Codec
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>>153430829
Scary
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>>153430914
>>153430915
"So frightening!"

Now pay me I am a professional.
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>>153430915
people certainly don't speak with hell and heaven puns either
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>>153430948
Yes. That's what I mean.
Because, big surprise, japanese works different than english.
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>>153430367
They didn't even need to change a thing in that exchange because the point was
>Satania says obligatory trip phrase
>Wtf are you talking about
>Well it's an obligatory trip phrase in japan(it's foreign to them because they aren't native nipponese so why would a "familiar" English expression work as a replacement)
>Read the manual, it's there(the punchline)
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>>153430920
Maybe the subs should reflect how poorly written the show is then. Fansubbers didn't substitute fanfiction for the shitshow that was Sword Art Online.
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>>153430979
I think "scary" is better.
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>this thread
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>>153430917
It's difficult to create the same mood from one language to another, that's why lots of western releases of anime and video games have jokes and characters slightly changed. Like >>153430839 said look at Nintendo. Great English releases, but these also contain the same content changes.
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>Satania Dropout
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>>153431018
Uh, excuse me?

I'm the pro here. Nobody cares what you think. Do it yourself. PAY ME
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>>153431018
So scary!
So scary!
Better?
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It's a fucking gun

A
fucking
gun

What the fuck?
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>>153430875
You know about paid propaganda, right?
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>>153430969
Can we not summon him please? This thread is shit as it is.
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>>153430969
fuck I don't have the image of 'beware of daiz'
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>>153430979
Go ahead and edit an episode. You're too good for these memesubs.
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>>153430969
He got destroyed enough times already anon, give him a rest.
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>>153431091
It's cool.
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>>153430839
>Ace Attorney
>Nintendo
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>>153431039
Can we just talk about the cute girls?
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>>153431018
No, it's not. You just got used to it because you saw it hundreds of times in other anime where it was translated literally without any effort.
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>>153431047
>It's difficult to create the same mood
Exactly. So why add irrelevant puns and jokes for now reason?
It does change the characters. Gabriel isn't a witty, energetic, pun throwing character and yet...
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>>153431047
>Nintendo
>Great English releasea

If that's what you gathered from my post, I'm sorry did your disability.
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>>153431101
Fuck, the summoning ritual went wrong and now we have to deal with Jebus.
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>>153431091
It's used to pump hot loads through holes in the body. Of course it's a fucking gun.
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>>153431172
You forgot to carry the 1.
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>>153431109
>>153430969
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Ganbatte! = Yay my team is winning hooray!

Gomenasai = Gosh I didn't see you there sorry

Abunai! = Woah, watch out for those falling rocks!
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>>153431133
I want to eat Vigne's shit directly from her asshole.
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>>153431110
I don't work for free.

>>153431131
That wasn't what that post was implying.
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>>153431154
this de geso
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>>153430969
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>>153431091
I laughed so hard when she had that completely benign plan at the beginning then kicked it up to 11 when she bought a fucking gun.
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>>153431018

"I'm scared!"

is better
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>>153430969
You forgot fakku.
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>/a/ unironically supports NISA translations
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>>153431304
Why the fuck would somebody make this?
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>>153431133
I wish, but there are too many autists that can't even watch it raw so everyone's complaining about trivial BS

>>153431220
This guy gets it
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>>153431154
>>153431162
You guys have to understand that translated material will have a different atmosphere. You have to make your future script reflect that, not the original Japanese. Changes are inevitable in some cases and that builds up. It makes sense to focus on making your script fit together as a whole rather than referring to the Japanese script to see how close you can get to it. Basically inevitable change leads to some change in atmosphere/character so you work on trying to build around that.
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>>153431212
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>>153431091
Just wait for the dub then, they'll fix it!
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>>153431220
>not Satania's
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>>153431304
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>>153429598
>Last I checked, A+ was an indicator of quality, not effort.

How retarded do you have to be?
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>>153431382
Hers too, but I'm more in the mood for Vigne's at the moment.
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>>153431381
No, the US version would just have a .22 caliber revolver so Californians don't feel excluded
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>>153430974
>>153430974
S C A R Y
C
A
R
Y
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>>153431304
Where did you find that picture of me and my wife?
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>>153431381

4kids is dead.
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>>153431364
You have to undestand that adding extra information (jokes, memes, etc) changes the atmosphere on purpose.

And that's what those subs are all about anyway. Adding irrelevant puns and rewriting scripts completely. gg did that, commie did that, and now they are doing it at CR.
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>>153430544

That was the worst of the lot. A lot of the others are localizations but that line is completely fucking made up. Turned subs off completely at that point.
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>>153430697
Where is the toilet slaves representation in this depiction of 4chan history?
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>>153431381
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>>153431364
Look, Nintendo. How many times do I have to tell you before you get the hint?

Adding jokes and memes isn't atmosphere, 'bruh'.
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>CR devs
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>>153431449
Won't be long now before even thinking about firearms will be illegal there.
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>>153431212
>Ganbatte
Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.

>Gomenasai
For I confess my iniquity; I am full of anxiety because of my sin.

>Abunai!
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
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Why do they even bother shilling on /a/?
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>>153431381
But I thought I was already watching the 4kids dub script. They even add emphasis on the important bits of every line, so the voice actors know where they need to make a different voice.
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>>153431566
Use of the word would be wrongthink, apply crimestop as appropriate.
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>>153431511
Yeah, people tend to miss out the completely rewritten lines and mostly bitch about small things like kouhai/sempai and kowai kowai, but it's much deeper than that.
There are tons of such inane bullshit in every episode practically.
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>>153431575
I like it. Please start making fansubs.
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If Herkz, Xythar and co. are in here does that mean that that shill miles is too?
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>>153431566
>tfw I am a consenting adult but I can't get a handgun because I'm not 21
>but I can if I sign up to get my self killed by a bunch of sand people

There are a lot of nice things about CA but fuck this place annoys me sometimes.
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Because being anonymous allows them to disingenuously represent their work without accountability.
If they did this anywhere else, they'd risk losing their jobs. Here they have plausible deniability.
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>unironically defending mistranslation
>brag about it in your circlejerk on Twitter and Nyaa
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>>153430969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20PwaJYcnuk
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>>153431506
That's just a reflection of how western cartoons are. Localization aren't just translating, it's about making the product suitable for another culture. I'm actually 100% behind what the translators are doing. Look at pretty much any Japanese localized video game. Many things are changed for the audience and this is the essence of localization and its what the majority of consumers want.
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>>153431364
Atmosphere?
FUCK THIS. I want to know what really author wanted to tell me as a viewer.
I I wanted to see western show, then I would watch fucking western show with fuckin western humor and fuckin western talk style. But no I want to watch anime which is way different in any aspect than fuckin western series and movies.
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>>153431641
It annoys me all the time.
But then I get most of my knowledge of the state from /k/.
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>This entire thread
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>>153431575
Better leave some form of contact so CR can contract you.
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>>153431364
No. Fuck off.Your job is to translate it as accuratly as possible, not change the script to better suit the atmosphere you want.

Yes, literal translations does not always work and you have to change it accordingly so the meaning getc conveyed.
but that is not what is being done with these subs.
What is being done here is simply changeing lines that could easily be translated dirrecly into puns just because the translator is a fucking idiot.
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>>153431653
>>unironically defending mistranslation
>>brag about it in your circlejerk on Twitter and Nyaa
>And then leave your echo chamber and act surprised people don't like the translation
Pic related
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Actually the subs are fairly accurate, so I don't blame the TL. It's the editor who should commit Sudoku.
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>>153431666
See: >>153431551
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>>153428633
It's like squid puns taken a step too far.
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>>153431685
Eh, I mean at least I can get rifles, not like I can afford anything more than a .22 anyway, ammo is dirt cheap. Handguns are cooler though.
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Since this is shaping up to a DJT...

Does English have a distinction between
だけ and しかxxxない? Assuming you don't want to describe.
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>>153431666
No. Localising doesn't mean changing things to the point where the setting, character personalities, etc, become different from the original.
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>>153428633
Well. That escalated quickly. Why didn't Raph tell her she was in a no gun zone so she'd have to leave?
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>>153431666
Stop stealing Satanya's trips, it's bad enough she's getting robbed by that dog.

In all seriousness, while I will admit to having a liking for bad puns, ramming biblical references into every other line is a major turnoff. I'm watching the show to laugh, not attending Sunday Bible study lessons.
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Dear nyaa moderators, learn how to shill properly before posting.
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>>153431832
I'd rather they learn about translation before that.
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>>153431666
>it's about making the product suitable for another culture.
Why didn't they turn shogi into chess, then? Americans don't give a fuck about that weeaboo shit.
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>>153431811
The whole Japan is a no gun zone.
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>It's another all the useless characters pick on the best character for 23 minutes episode

I've never seen a series ride one trick into the ground like this
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>>153431866
Not quite.
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>>153431768
The latter is more restrictive. だけ can be used in context like 優等生だけはある. This does not mean there are only 優等生 (it could), but it can also be used when someone displays traits that are 優等生-like.
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>>153431832
Do you really expect that from retards like herkz and other memecartel assholes? Anon pls.
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>>153431904
You've apparently never seen actual one trick pony shows like Kill Me Baby then.
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How comes amazon and netflix manage to do subs properly when crunchy don't?
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>>153431787
>literally the devil but can't get any guns
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>>153431730
How is this accurate?
>>153430544
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>>153431946
Amazon and Netflix didn't hire an ex-Commie cartel member.
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>>153431666
>watch eastern cartoons from another culture
>they have different values
Yeah this really pisses me off, I know when I watch Japanese cartoons I really want my Western fix.
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>>153431666
>it's about making the product suitable for another culture
I love how shills keep parroting this.
Fucking not. If you want western jokes and atmosphere you watch fucking Looney Tunes. If you watch anime, you don't want shitty western memes.

Jesus, just for this one reason it was worthy to learn nip. The better access to kare is just an added bonus.
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>>153429598
Fucking Stella no Mahou got anons making superior [Daikirai] subs last season after Daisuki pulled the shit as the Gabriel DropOut translators. How come nobody's doing it here?
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>people prefer to discuss the subs over the recent episode

as expected of CGDCT shit
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>>153431946

Every other show this season has passable subs, unless I'm forgetting something. It's just this show that's the problem.
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>>153431976
I wonder what will be the line when they realize what's going on.
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>>153432010
Because the subs are fine.
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>>153431946
Netflix can hire professionals to sub their anime. Amazon doesn't give two shits about anime streaming and this is the only show people seem to have a problem with for CR subs.
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>>153432037
Hello mod-kun.
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>>153431965
Yes subs are accurate, but they hired shitty editor like herkz. Yes, editors are responsible in most cases for shitty subs. It's way better to have unedited awkward sounding subs than subs with retarded editing. All jokes are rewritten by editor, not translators in most cases.
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>>153432077
I want to impregnate them all.
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>>153432077
Putting this as my wallpaper for the day I guess. Fuck this 3D earth.
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>>153432062
The new Chaos;whatever has shit subs too.
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>>153432014
This episode was kind of mediocre.
And the subs are getting worse every episode, so people are starting to get pissed.
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>>153432131
That's because it's Chaos;Whatever.
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>>153432010
The biggest difference is that Daisuki's subs were delayed by quite a few days, so that group of anons had plenty of time to get decent subs going before they came out. The same happened to New Game's first three episodes (Doki was faster until CR rescheduled their subs), as well as Urara and Seiren this season. I guess there's very little interest in making proper subs after the official ones come out nowadays because most people will have already watched the episode by the time they come out.
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>>153431921
Yeah, I also feel that shika is more restrictive(-ish, but it's muddy) but in English, it's would be "there are honor students only" in both cases. I think.
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>>153432077
I want to give spicy chocolates to Satania!
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>>153432081
No, really. Every show that had horrible translation had better subs.
Remember Umaru? The subs were godawfull but then some based translator made a good release.
Remember Shirobako? The subs were godawful but then some based translator made a good release.
Why it is not happening with Gabriel dropout? Because there is nothing to fix. If any anon that knows japanese thinks the subs are bad, a quick edit of the .ass would be nice and the ammount of e-penis he could get is big, so why that based anon is not doing it? Because the subs are fine.
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>>153432077
I really want to fuck Gab
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>>153432103
>Subs are accurate. But what we see is actually edited subs by the editor whch aren't accurate. BUT, subs ARE accurate.
Terminate yourself.
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I'd be surprised if CR isn't getting complaints from customers over this. I wouldn't be happy with paying for this kind of quality.
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>>153431908
Okinawa doesn't count.
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>>153432014
Your logic is fucked up. How to talk about episode when you literally don't know what really happened, because some retarded translators decided to turn on full burger mode?
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>>153432191
Actually it's because nobody cares about this show outside of complaining about the subs.
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>>153432077
>Chokers

lewd
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>>153432227
People that pay for Crunch don't care for quality
>>153432247
This.
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>>153431621
>people tend to miss out the completely rewritten lines
well it goes to show the extend of which people know Japanese on /a/, which is literally just Japanese 101
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>>153432247
But the anon was complaining that fucking stella no mahou, a really impopular show, had anons working in a better translation than funi crap. If this show really had subs that bad, and hell, Gabriel Dropout can get a lot of threads complaining about the subs, thing that Stella no Mahou never got, then a translator would work on a better version of the subs.
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>>153432077
>Vigne
Always perfect
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>>153432165
だけ is 丈. In the latter example, you are saying that one has qualities/skills/丈 of an honor student.
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>>153432160
Urara official subs are superior comparing to another memeshit from shitty GJM. GJM is a part of memecartel.
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>>153432301
Which is irrelevant.
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>>153432014
>Satanya is stupidly awesome, as usual
>Gabu is an asshole, as usual
>Vigne loves playing mummy, as usual
>Raphiel gets her jollies from manipulation/cooperative bullying, as usual
>Sensei is deadpan, as usual
>Inu steals melonpan, as usual
The only really cool thing was Sensei giving Satanya special melonpan, and how nobody in school panicked when Satanya was shot or even when she pulled out the gun and started waving it around, even dropping it.
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>>153432311
Some autistic retards like other unpopular shows more than other shit shows, Anon.
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>>153432199
Did you actually read what I wrote? -.- or you stopped after 'accurate' word?
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>>153432077
Delicious Gab pleases men's appetite for money.
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>>153432399
>-.-
see >>153432199
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>>153432362
So you are saying that from all the anons complaining about the subs in GD threads nobody knows enough japanese to fix the subs? How does that even work?
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>>153432103
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>>153432452
No I'm saying nobody cares enough to fix it themselves, just enough to bitch about it.
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>>153432419
Somebody should make a chocolate version of that bukakke-iser, but I fear it would literally come out looking like shit.
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>>153432311
>impopular
My sides.
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>>153432191
The only things that need to be done are removing the stupid idioms and fixing shit like >>153430544. Since everyone has already suffered through those things, it makes little sense that most people would care enough to rewatch the episodes after they were removed.
>it's good because these circlejerkers said it's good
If these subs truly were good, people here wouldn't be complaining this much. If even people who don't know Japanese are able to notice something feels awkward in your script then you've done a terrible job at making it sound natural, no matter how experienced in Japanese you are.
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>>153432452
What the other guy said. The other anon who knew Nip enough to btfo baldy video man was too busy translating some other show.
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>>153432513
Why is nobody fixing th subs, then? Editing in aegisub is not hard.
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>>153432337
Urara had anonsubs going for a few episodes before GJM stepped up their game, at some point they got so fast that the anons translating it gave up.
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>>153432452
Because it's easier to just get the raw or turn the subs off. E-penis is kinda a think of the past.
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Honestly, I've been just letting the subs slide, trying not to let them get the best of me, but I had some serious cringe moments with them this week. They're somehow actually getting worse each episode.

I'm definitely leaving some feedback with Crunchy at the end of the season that will, of course, go completely ignored. But ugh.

Daiz's recent comments about how if you don't get the awkward subs then it's your fault, despite that being the only point at which you truly fail as a translator, really soured my experience on having any kind of rational discussion about this with the other side.

>>153431575
Fucking hell, anon, you got me with this one. I love it.

>>153431666
>its what the majority of consumers want
The majority of consumers don't care or even know better. And the ones that do largely don't want this. So you're talking out of your ass.

>>153432062
I've seen /a/ shitting on Maid Dragon subs this season, too.
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>>153432452
I do, but I don't have free time now. And I'm ESL. So the best what I can do is a simple edit of CR script with really simple ts. I have only 1st episode finished for now.
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>>153432511
>the picture is being drawn from the camera angle instead of the girl's view
REEEEEEEE
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Why does anyone want to hang with Gab?
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>>153431965
When I was attempting to edit the script I changed that line to "Did you really have to come today?" but that's the editor's job not the TL, it might even be the editor who wrote that shitty joke.
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>>153432399
>-.-
LEAVE IMMEDIATELY
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>>153431134
>implying literal translations aren't the absolute best course as long as they are grammatically correct in english
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>>153432574
It's fuckin time consuming. If you want to do a really good subs, you need to change a half of lines and do a proper TS.
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>>153428633
I swear they're just fucking with us at this point. They were mildly annoying in the previous episodes, this is just fucking ridiculous. And the episode itself was mediocre at best.
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>>153432643
To catch a glimpse of her cute smelly butt.
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hates satania
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>>153430544
what was the original line?
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>>153432666
That's a motto of memecartel dude.
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>>153432699
That's like only 5 hours of work.
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>>153432784
He luvs her.
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>>153431666

Sure let's just wipe away ell the things that make a culture different to ours!

Weird names? Mary and John will suffice!
Strange Foods? Burgers and Donuts is what you are after!
Unique Humour? Simple puns and epic memes can fix anything!
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>>153432062
Amazon has based Onihei though.
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>>153432803
Only you say? This is not 'only' a 5 hours when you have a job.
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>>153428633
>english idioms
>not valid english
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>>153432574
>>153432803
I did about a 100 lines and got bored half-way. I wish there was a site where people could crowd edit it like wikipedia.
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>>153431931

get out.
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>>153432511
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>>153432841
Then at least you can watch the raw. It must suck for the anons that don't know japanese that are complaining about the subs.
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>>153432796
thats the motto of literally any multilingual person doing translation

of course stuff like
>Ich hat Hunger
should be LOCALIZED to
>I am hungry
not literally translated to
>I have hunger

Almost every time you translate something from Japanese to english you have to do localization work, but inserting shit and butchering connotations is well beyond the boundary

>Ich hat Hunger
>OY M8 I'M FOKIN STARVIN ERE
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>>153432792
Original was a very bland, very unenthusiastic and very Gabriel-like "What did you even come here for?".
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>>153430018
F A T S O
A
T
S
O
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>>153432195
You and me both anon.
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>>153432916
wtf I love CR subs now
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>>153430150
The criticisms don't just disappear when you ignore them.
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>>153432942
retard
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>>153431666
t. NoA
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>>153432926
I want to have sex with this angel.
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>>153432910
>>>Ich hat Hunger
>>OY M8 I'M FOKIN STARVIN ERE
Fuck you anon, take responsibility for my sides.
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>>153429889
ill be damned if some devilish anon is going to tell me what to do
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>>153432926
I want to rub my dick on that DFC
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>>153431091
Eurofags please go.

Although I am sad that they didn't run with the Chow Yun Fat jokes.
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>>153432906
Yeah, I'm watching this show raw since 3rd episode. I'm using subs only as a support usually. This subs are way too distracting.
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>>153432803
>like only 5 hours of work
>only
On top of 12-13 hours of work and 2.5 hours of commute? Su-fucking-barashii
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>>153432792
>>153432659
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>>153432910
>Ich hat Hunger
>OY M8 I'M FOKIN STARVIN ERE
Ah, I see you worked on the Phoenix Wright translations.
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Threadly reminder that everyone defending the shit subs are just shitposting
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>>153432973
>original is bland and uninteresting
>subs are full of well thought out witticism
what exactly is the problem, it seems like you'd fall asleep watching this show if it were accurately translated
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>>153432910
>Ich
>hat
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If you're so unhappy about the meme subs why don't you just shoot them?
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>>153432982
that can't be real
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>>153432910
>rub a dub dub thanks for the grub.
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>>153433105
>original is a bland and uninteresting line
>said by an uninterested person who's trying to be as bland as possible
It's almost as if it was in character or something!
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>they see your _______
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>>153433138
I'd love to see someone write down their own translation, just once.
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>>153433116
go back to high school german class and take a look at the conjugation chart
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>>153433163
"translation"
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>>153432077
It should have been straight-hair tenshi Gab or deadpan scum Gab not this out of character thing.
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Script of the ep6.
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>>153433105
>being this obvious
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>>153433198
He's right. "hat" is 3rd person singular. "Ich habe Hunger" would be correct.
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>>153433173
Go back to your home board.
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>>153433173
Or someone can rip the Animax Asia subs.
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>>153433033
Satania is holding two guns
"Holy mother dude this is so sweet!" -Raphiel
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>>153433173
how bout just not putting in unfunny puns that the characters didnt say?
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Every Gabriel Dropout thread now
>Subs are shit.
>HEY GUYS HERE'S SOME THINLY VEILED BAIT
>I want to kill this translator.
>Translator did nothing wrong.
>Hi Herkz!
>Let me autisticly complain about this translation for weeks on end and if anyone tells me to stop, I'll call them an SJW.
>Satania a best!
>I don't see whats so bad about the subs.
>Can't we just discuss the show?
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>>153433173
How about you fuck off to reddit you fucking cancerous newfag.
Kill yourself.
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>>153433105
Autist. That line is invented completely. Gabriel isn't a witty memelord. She IS bland, unenthusiastic and too lazy to make up such comments on the fly.
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It's a real testament to how shitty /a/ has gotten over the years when you actually have people defending rewrites.
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>>153433105
>well thought out witticism
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>>153433173
Satania: What hellish act from the devil I'll do today 666 demon in hell?
Gabriel: Could you PLEASE get out? I'm TRYING to play VIDEO GAMES here, die ALREADY.
Vigne: CLEAN YOUR FUCKING ROOM YOU PIECE OF SHIT
Raphiel: I'm tickled pink

There. Submitting my resume to CR as we speak.
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>>153430544
>>153432792
has anyone brought up this line to the Nyaa cartel? I mean the Kowai argument is a deadend but this is a blatant rewrite that doesnt make sense
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>>153433245
Dude, even on reddit people are complaining as hell about this subs. Even herkz is getting tons of minuses.
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these subs are funny as HELLxD
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I want to see an episode where everyone joins Gab's game just so they can hang out with her.
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>tfw people are sperging about subs instead of just enjoying the show

Could you guys just not be autistic for once?
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>>153433287
>Raphiel: I'm tickled pink

Since English is not my mother tongue, that fucking tickled pink went over my head more than the original Japanese.
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>>153433231
If I wasn't so lazy maybe. I might try recording it about an hour from now then transcribe.
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>>153433292
There is no need for this. Blue colour means memesubs /rewrite in all cases. Look at groups which are getting blue, commie GJM, Asenshi etc
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>>153433337
i think you meant HELLA AWESOME
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>>153433339
You should read /a/ with subs calibrated to your taste.
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>>153433287
No seriously, write down a translation for the latest episode and I'll get it set and encoded. I'll wait.
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>>153433369
I just want to see the mental gymnastics they try to pull, of course they could just delete your comments
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>make your own subs then talk
It's not like having own subs will give you right to talk. We have kind anon subbing precure and yet that faggot Herkz shitted on him for no reason.
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>>153433339
>CR doesn't want people to enjoy a show
>they purposefully give it the worst subs possible
>now people can't discuss that show because they're too annoyed by the subs
I finally see the truth now.
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>>153433364
The funny fact is that even people who are living in english speaking countries didn't know what the hell it means.
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>>153433339
Could the subs not be shit for once?
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>>153433422
> He's never been tickled so hard he literally turns pink
Shoot yourself and come back in 10 minutes.
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>>153433152
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>>153433173
>Someone who trips as "derp_commander" is at most 12 years old and should read the rules

Literally and exactly as accurate as the subs for the show.
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>>153433364
Google is your friend
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>/a/ - translations and localizations
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>>153433422
>>153433364
I feel like it's a generational thing. Like, if you're younger than 25? it's probably not something you'd encounter in the literature when you were in school. Probably also means the editor is old.
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>>153433217
I wish he was my dad.
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>>153433517
I'm harboring 30 as we speak.
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>>153433499
Previous threads
>/a/ - ass and wiping discussion
>/a/ - apple, orange, and fruit analogies
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>>153433517
I wonder are the ethics behind using modern phrases. Like how long until someone gets called a basic bitch in subs?
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>>153433499
Is there anything /a/ can't do?
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It's spreading.
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>>153433599
NO

STOP
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Not gonna lie, this was a fucking awful episdoe
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>>153433564
I'm on the wrong half of thirties. I've encountered the phrase since at least twenty plus years ago. It probably fell into disuse in pop culture around the turn of the millennium.
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>>153433517
No, I'm not living in English speaking country. I never heard something like this, and I'm reading tons of things in English. And actually I'm much older than 25.
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>>153433248
>That line is invented completely
And? Some of the most beloved dubs are basically script rewrites because of how altered the dialogue is. One of the best examples of this is probably YuYu Hakusho. Like 60% of what Yusuke says in English is totally rewritten from the Japanese script, yet it's one of the most memorable dubs ever done and perfectly captures his smart ass punk attitude.

All I see here is people who don't understand how translation works freaking out because their limited grasp of Japanese allows them to notice translations are 1:1 literal. Because they don't understand enough Japanese to grasp nuance and general meaning, they cling to literal 1:1 translations since they don't understand how somebody with a more comfortable grasp of the language could translate based on feeling rather than literal definition.
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>>153433687
tl;dr
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>>153433687
>dub
>beloved

Get the fuck out of /a/
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>>153433708
>I'm a huge newfag who started posting here in 2012
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ITT: weebs who got told
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>>153433687
All the excuses you're making up are very amusing. Please keep going.
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>herkz is still alive
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>>153433661
I brought up the age thing specifically with regards to EL1 countries though. Then again, 30 years ago, most of the school-approved literature in my country came from the UK.
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>>153433620
I predict that within the next year, "YAAAAAAAAASSSS QUEEN" will be in some anime's meme subs
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>>153433716
>ever watching dubs
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>>153433687
Can you fuck off already?
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>>153433608
Getting laid.
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>>153433747
we're getting there
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>>153433687
Beloved dubs? Anon pls get out of here.
Dubs are made for children and brain ill people (or just burgers) who can't think fast enough and accept the fact that he /she is watching something which doesn't belong to their popculture. Dubbing is the worst idea ever as long with overlocalization.
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>>153433599

Caring about ethical standards and practices makes you a raging misogynist don't you know that?
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>complaining about subs someone is doing for free for us
welcome to neo-/a/
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>>153433716
>I'm retarded please rape my face
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>>153433792
Yeah I get it you started posting here sometime after 2009 and had to try super hard to fit in.
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>>153433415
I'm just wondering if there is really a better way of translating this, and one that will conform to /a/'s tastes, or if all this whining and bitching is just JSLs shitting on any and every possible translation of the work.
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>>153433687
The first thing wrong with what you're saying is you are comparing a sub to a dub which have different intended audiences and thus should be handled differently.
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>>153433687
Kill yourself reddit
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>>153433687
NO PEOPLE ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TRANSLATION SHOULD LOOKS LIKE. You are talking about localization, and it's totally different concept of bringing the media to other countries. Usually used in dumb societies.
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>>153433687
>YuYu Hakusho
>The most beloved dub
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>>153433804
We've gone far beyond neo-/a/. This neo-neo-neo-/a/
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>>153433749
>>153433806
Not everybody is a newfag who got into anime in 2012, some people have been watching since the 80s when dubs were one of the only ways to get access to shows.
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>>153428868
So this is the power of newfaggotry
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>>153433818
>>153433820
Kill yourselves
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>>153433794
I mean if "professional" subbers are trying to get the characters to sound more "American", there's gotta be some sort of point where they start using more modern language. For example nobody says "tickled pink" ever anymore, its not even in character for someone who speaks english. I mean ironically its more natural to say " my sides" or something
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>>153433845
And so things should never have improved in the last 3 decades.
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>>153433836
None of you actually knows anything about translation though. In fact none of you even knows Japanese enough to watch these shows without subtitles.
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>>153433818
WAT.
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>>153433845
>>>/facebook/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/gaia/
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>>153433804

hi herkz
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>>153433919
I've been on this board longer than you've had pubic hair, kid. I've also probably been watching anime longer than you've been alive.
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>>153433900
>b-but you don't know Japanese
There you go again.
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>>153433804
At what point would /a/ have not complained about shit subs just because they are free?
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>>153433883
>death
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>>153432077
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>>153433786
>>153433883
Did something happen at CR?
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>>153433885

Why do you hate women?
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>>153433687
>most beloved dubs
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>>153433885
>I mean ironically its more natural to say " my sides" or something
I never hear that used outside of 4chan. "Tickled pink" is admittedly somewhat of a literary thing, as in it doesn't get used much in daily spoken English, but the diction in anime is essentially literary anyway. Characters in anime constantly say things that almost no Japanese person would ever actually say in conversation.
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>"my mother is a whore who abandoned me and me father is a cuck"
->>153433941
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>>153433956
It's the only point that really needs iterating though. You literally do not know anything about this topic. You're totally ignorant. Nothing you say has any weight. You've just learned barely enough to notice things don't work the way you imagined them and it makes you upset. Even when all the people who know what they're talking about tell you you're wrong you still act like you know better than they do.
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>>153433967
They hired someone from Commie. This explains why all the Nyaa mods are so keen on defending these subs as well.
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>>153433845
This is the only time when I wish for the old archive to be around so I could pull my trip from years ago and prove how fucking wrong you are.
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>>153434023
bass is that you?
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Does somebody have the learning japanese curve image?
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Man I wish I had a 1mm micropenis so I could defend commie shit.
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>>153434008
I guess all the people who are providing translations of the fucked up lines, as well as the tl-notes blog guy, all of those don't know Japanese either. The only people in the world who do are you and CR's translator.
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>>153434078
I don't think this is the original but it's something like this right?
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>>153434069
Do it. I have been here since 2005 and can confirm if you're not a newfag if you use an old tripcode.
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Fuck you guys I liked the episode and the subs were cute.
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>>153433900
>none of you
i think most of the people here (judging by djt and scanlation threads) know enough japanese to watch a lot of shows raw, subs are only a crutch. yes there are times when you can't read some kanji or understand a historical show or chuuni-speak, but the regular conversations are fine. plus the problem has nothing to do with the japanese translation it's with some shitter inserting their shitty jokes on top of that translation.
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>>153434076
bass is dead anon. Let his soul rest.
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>>153434097
I've yet to see anyone with real translation experience criticizing the translation. Exact opposite in fact.
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>>153434101
Good enough, tahnks. It's an accurate representation of this outrage on /a/
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>>153434101
>tfw on the second curve
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>>153434113
Whatever, I used it for years before dropping it. 90% of the time I posted as anonymous but still, the archive does not lie.
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>>153434078
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>>153434188
Well fuck, did it feel weird
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>>153434101
You could just replace the "how good you think you are at Japanese" label with "willingness to criticize subtitles" and it'd fit this thread exactly.
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>>153434143
Can't write it better.
Same here.
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>>153434069
https://foolz.fireden.net/a/
>>153434160
In other words, "none of the complaints here are valid because you're all anonymous and I can't verify your background".
In that case, none of the support for the subs in here is valid either because there's no proof that the people defending them know Japanese.
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>>153434212
your tears are wonderful EOP
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>>153434192
>be fluent
>literally cannot give a shit about honorifics or things translated as miss kobayashi
its actually kind of funny how much people do complain
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>>153434241
I think you misread my post
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>>153434227
>In that case, none of the support for the subs in here is valid either because there's no proof that the people defending them know Japanese.
But they have been translating shit for years.
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>>153434227
Well, 2008 apparently. And it took me 2 years to start to use one.
Holy fucking shit, time flies.
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>>153434258
I did, sorry about that.
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>>153433422
the latest Idol Jihen episode used 'tickled pink' LITERALLY 3 times.

I still don't even know what it means.
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>>153434255
Right? The weird thing is, I started learning Japanese specifically out of my butthurt by lack of honorifics and other perceived problems in subtitles, yet now that I actually know Japanese I can't be bothered to sub anything. It's too much of a hassle and I find myself not really caring about how shit is translated.
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its a good thing this thread is over

now we will never ever bring it up again in any other threads ever
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>>153434318
if only
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>>153434318
I fucking wish. We should start making the threads in Japanese so the EOPs don't ruin them.
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>>153433804
You think this is new? It was a million times worse with fansubs.

Also, they're not doing them for free, we're stealing them, there is a difference. Even if we're not paying for it, it is still a "professional" product and should be judged as such.
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Hahaha hahaha. So people can't critique the subs because they are not a translators? WHAT A FUCKING BULLSHIT XD a hahaha.
So you can't critique the music if you can't play on any instrument? You can't critique the books if you are not a writer you can't critique the government if you are not a political?
The level of bullshitness of this is just way too high.
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>>153434318
>>153434343
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>>153434318
see in 5 minutes
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>>153434227
You can't find a single professional or even amateur translator to back any thing you talk about. Go ahead, try and find one.
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>>153434378
>So you can't critique the music if you can't play on any instrument? You can't critique the books if you are not a writer you can't critique the government if you are not a political?
That's a retarded comparison. If you don't know japanese the only complains you can make are grammar related ones.
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>>153429820
>muh fetish
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>>153434255
There is a difference between lack of honorifics and this: >>153433467
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>>153434318
As long as the subs continue being terrible, people will keep bringing them up, because it's a subject that is directly getting in the way of their enjoyment of the show.
Literally none of this would be happening if this translator wasn't trying to meme these subs as hard as possible.
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>>153434378
You're free to say you don't like it. That's fine. What people are hazing you about is trying to act like some kind of authority on translation by claiming it's incorrect. Especially when that kind of call requires actual knowledge and experience in the thing you're talking about. You don't speak the language and you've never translated anything, so what the fuck would you know about translation best practices?
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>>153434425
The problem is that most of people here knows japanese enough to tell that this translation is fucking awful. Hell, even anons who are not that familiar with Japanese could tell that this translation is totally off.
And I think that my comparison is totally right.
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>>153434434
well of course but there used to be threads for specifically complaining only about honorifics, whether it be the inclusion or exclusion of them or translating of them awkwardly.

Persona is also a big subject, although /v/, on it because they leave the honorifics in the game so you get things like Jamal-kun
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>>153434507
>The problem is that most of people here knows japanese enough to tell that this translation is fucking awful.
Except they don't. If so many people knew japanese somebody would have edited the subs already.
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>>153434417
https://tlnotes.com/
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>>153430595
Because its not exactly the same thing? You don't see a scared person saying "Lord have mercy".
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>>153434507
>most of people here knows japanese enough to tell that this translation is fucking awful
No, they know enough Japanese to tell it's not a literal 1:1 translation. That's it. They have absolutely no capacity for understanding nuance or translating based on mood and connotative meaning. This is evidenced by the fact that they're throwing a fit over something that professional translators do all the time, that people who speak the language fluently see as a non-issue. Like I see these and I notice "yeah that's not exactly what was said, but it's the same feeling and meaning so whatever."

The only people who could get bent out of shape by this are those with limited knowledge who fear they're being cheated out of the "true experience" by not getting a totally literal translation. Basically, it's fear born out of ignorance making people angry, but they try to dress it up as them knowing more than the people translating.
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>>153434507
When are you going to kill yourself over cartoon subtitles bass?
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>>153434503
There is no such thingike best practices.
Best practices for commie is male everything as burger as it is possible.
Best practices for Menclave / Eclipse / Doki is making everything faithful as possible.
See? There is no such thing like best practices.
I'm in 2nd group. And actually I translated a lot of things for my language from Japanese and English.
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>>153434598
but that translator agrees that the subs are good, you idiot
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>>153434507
But all of them are anonymous. That means I can't check their names on twitter so THEY'RE LYING
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>>153434598
But he actually explains the rationale for the choices, he doesn't criticize them at all. All you did was show what an idiot you're being.
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>>153434566
see
>>153433064
>>153432699
>>153432882
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>>153434637
>Best practices for Menclave / Eclipse / Doki is making everything faithful as possible
Did you ever actually watch shows subbed by these groups?
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>>153434605
>insert / praise memes
>Talk about nuances
Anon pls.
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>>153433786
That wasn't memeing though, she literally said NTR; the problem was the translators directed it the wrong way, since she was supposed to be accusing Kobayashi of cucking her, not of being a cuck.
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>>153430544
>japanese "line"
>translate it as an "english pun sentence"
>people ask: why not simply translate it to "english line"
>you dont know japanese lmao
What is even happening here
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>>153434566
>If so many people knew japanese somebody would have edited the subs already.
Because it isn't worth it and I don't want some trany retards to post my script pointing out how lack of memes make it 100000times worse.
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>>153434719
Can you actually explain what nuance is being lost by the choices? Can you in fact do anything except point out that something is not a literal translation? Cause I haven't seen anyone complaining actually explain why something is bad besides "b-b-but it's not literal!"
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>>153434647
Because he is active on reddit and he don't want to receive a tons of hate.
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>>153434715
I was climbing the everest but got tired so I can't post proof I made it to the top but I can totally do it I swear.
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>>153434759
>.
So you're just shitposting for the sake of shitposting
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>>153430756
Seconding all of these things.
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>>153434598
>You may have noticed that there are constant god/hell/devil/etc. idioms and puns and such in the subs for this show. I just want to point out that almost literally all of them are added by the translator(/editor?), there is basically none of that in the Japanese (i.e. it’s not a Squid Girl situation where they’re trying to deal with her squid puns/”-degeso” or anything). It’s a good example of how a translation can potentially improve the experience imo. Conversational English is steeped in Abrahamic theological terminology, something Japanese lacks almost entirely, so it’s neat to see they’re taking advantage.
Notice he says the subs IMPROVE the experience
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Lord have mercy, this thread was the real McCoy. I'm gonna go hang ten now. Remind me to bring the kitchen sink next thread.
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>translating comedies
>adding jokes in comedies
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>>153434716
Of course.
And it is as I wrote.
Accurate and literal translation doesn't actually mean a 'word by word' translation.
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>>153434756
>Japanese line delivered in sarcastic tone
>translate into sarcastic English line that conveys exact same meaning and fits the scene
>people who barely speak Japanese get mad because it's not the exact line that was said in Japanese
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>>153434764
Is it so hard that people here don't want fucking western memes in their chinese animated mangas?
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>>153434845
>And it is as I wrote.
Doki literally translates Japanese dialects as Aussie accents so thick you can't even understand what the fuck they're saying.
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>>153434818
Apparently they improve the experience, so they're fine. Shame on the mangaka for not having thought of all these puns, but thankfully enough we have competent translators to fix his mistakes.
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Are you guys in shock and awe?
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>>153434759
This. As I wrote before. I did a first episode. But when I thought about fucking losers and commie lovers which would write an essay about how lack of memes made it worse I decided to keep it for myself.
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>>153434913
You're late to the party.
Migrate
>>153430984
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>>153434968
No, stay out. Make a different thread you fucks.
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>>153434869
No I understand that just fine. I understand you've dug yourselves into holes by learning "just enough" Japanese to make yourselves unhappy, and now can't go back to being too ignorant to notice non-literal translations and are too lazy/incompetent to improve your skills to a point that you don't have to rely on the subs you hate so much. I understand you because I used to be the exact same way about 6 years ago. Except I got over my laziness and finished learning Japanese.

It's funny how, in setting out to learn Japanese I was going to stick it to all those teams that localize and bring the real, unvarnished meaning out. And now that I'm at a level where translating is possible I find little reason to do so. Oh sure there's still localizations I find distasteful, but on the whole most of it is totally benign.
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>>153434889
is this sarcasm or truth
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>Know enough Japanese to criticize how one line was translated
>Autistic memelords sperg out because you don't know the whole language
Really makes me think.
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>>153434764
Is it that hard to understand that I FUCKIN HATE THAT TYPE OF HUMOUR? Seriously. Yes, for me phrases 'as expected by', 'it's funny' etc works whole universe better than shitty creative fanfiction crap.
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>>153435038
>make an obvious bait thread with a popular topic
>reach the bump limit within hourse
Really activates the almonds
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>>153435038
Must defend the cartel at all costs.
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>>153434863
No, Gabriel is not using any memes or stupid jokes. She is just lazy and worn out of energy. They totally changed her character.
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>>153435054
None of the choices destroy meaning at all though. In fact, this episode with its "search warrant" line fits the scene pretty well and I can't for the life of me figure out why people hate it. It doesn't in any way contradict the Japanese, it preserves the meaning and sounds suitably dry to fit Gabriel's personality.

It just sounds like a load of nonsense to me from people obsessing over a "purity" in language that doesn't fucking exist.
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Memesubs are reflections of our souls.
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>>153434863
>scene is girl asking why people are there
>DO YOU GUYS HAVE WARRANTS

>fits
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>>153435171
How is that line a meme? It's just a dry, sarcastic observation. It doesn't change her character at all.
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>>153435023
So did I. And that's why I got hired 5 years ago to this nice company and I can finally apply for permanent residency today.
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>>153435223
Her friends were searching her house for candy and bothering her while she just wanted to chill. So she delivers this sarcastic complaint. What part of this doesn't fit?
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>>153435178
Gabu-chan is a lazy and unenthusiastic person who said a line that expressed she didn't want any of that shit. Why did that line get localized into something witty? She's not that kind of character.
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>>153434863
>>people who barely speak Japanese get mad because it's not the exact line that was said in Japanese
What

>people dont know japanese
>know enough to know its not what was said
>pro subbing literally not translating what was said
>people dont know japanese at fault
This is literally what you said here
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>>153435246
Congrats. Who are you working for?
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>>153435292
because shes not a sarcastic or witty person
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>>153435292
that's adding a joke where there wasn't one
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>>153435223
Translating from Japanese to English is very tough, anon. There's no simple way to say "Why are you here" in English.
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>>153435246
but you like the subs or not
post another picture so other anons can't steal your answer
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>>153435338
Nigga just earlier in the episode she messed with Satania by making up bogus Shogi rules in an incredibly dead pan way. She's got a dry sort of humor, are you sure you're even paying attention?
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>>153435292
Because "warrants" imply she's bothered with them looking around her house.

She's bothered with them being there.
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>>153435292
There was no sarcasm in her words, holy shit.
Stop trying to change things that may sound good on your mind, because it only works there.
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>>153435420
>Because "warrants" imply she's bothered with them looking around her house.
>She's bothered with them being there.
You just said the same thing twice
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>>153435414
She didn't. It was Raphiel who did, she only went along with it.
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>>153435178
It is making something a lot worse than lost meaning. It makes me (and not only me) think that action is set in America,characrers are Americans, etc.
The culture washout is just unbearable.
I really got interested in anime (around 15 years ago) because of how different it was and still is than any other media. I love their humor type, talking style etc.
It really makes me mad when someone is doing a creative writing, inserting a shitty American jokes etc.
I wanted to respond with more details but I can't find good words in my English vocabulary for doing this. Sorry.
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>>153435515
Raphi started it you mean. Raphi didn't tell her what to do or force her to do anything. She made up her own rules on the fly just like Raphi did. She could have easily just refused to play or given up if her personality was all about laziness and low effort. Instead she had some fun with her.
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>>153435470
Are you retarded?
Bothered with them looking around her house doesn't mean she's bothered with them being there, just that they shouldn't be looking around her house.

Bothered with them being there is exactly that, she doesn't even want their presence there.
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>>153435589
>but I can't find good words in my English vocabulary for doing this.

You better be ESL and not implying that English isn't one of, if not the, most nuanced languages.
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>>153435589
where can i subscribe for more?
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What >>153435589 said. Even a simple "Get lost/Go 'way" would have been more in character than spouting crap about search warrants.
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>>153435593
>go along with a joke
>refuse to go along with a joke
Tell me. Which option is likely to take less effort, especially if the target of the joke is as dumb as a brick? Keep in mind that you already have the game board in front of you.
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>>153435411
As you could have guessed, I don't use subs. However I did download them for Gabu to check out the reason of shitflinging. And I can very well see where does it come from.
Forcing 4chan/western memes is not the way to go. They are funny in threads. Not in subs.
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>>153435178
You know what fits the scene well? The actual line.
Gabriel doesn't ironic meme around people, she's dry and direct.

She's not trying to be sarcastic so people read the mood and leave with
>do you guys even have warrants?

She's directly asking, in a dry, and lethargic way
>you guys really need to come?
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>>153435696
Doing nothing always takes less effort than doing something.
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>>153435330
Finance for one of the 御三家
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>>153435756
Exactly. Doing nothing by going along takes less effort then doing something by spoiling Raphi's mood and making Satanya angry about having been pranked.
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>>153429657
>you constantly have to wonder what the character really said or meant.

This episode made me do that the most of all so far
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>>153435639
You're splitting some pretty inane hairs there considering the root of it is she doesn't want them around. It doesn't contradict the meaning at all, in fact they still mean basically the same thing. A search warrant gives somebody permission to violate your privacy, enter your home uninvited and search your stuff. That's exactly what they're doing. What's the problem?
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>>153435711
Shh. That one anon said you don't exist. Quit talking, person who doesn't exist.
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>>153435749
>You know what fits the scene well? The actual line.
>Gabriel doesn't ironic meme around people, she's dry and direct.
>She's not trying to be sarcastic so people read the mood and leave with
>>do you guys even have warrants?
>She's directly asking, in a dry, and lethargic way
>>you guys really need to come?
You are so obviously wrong.
Gabriel would never talk in a dry and lethargic tone.

Do you even have a permit for that Kitchensink?
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>Adding random heaven/hell puns to every other sentence that are absent from the source is good translating.
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Adding stuff where there is none is never ok. Who can even defend that?
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>>153435903
Be a doll, and zip it.
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>>153435903
>>153435920
so if you went to a restaurant and got a dish without any salt, adding salt to it would be wrong? :^)
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>>153435749
What are these "memes" you keep referencing? I haven't seen any. Just the occasional idiom or western cultural tic. Also I can't help but notice you also got the line wrong. She commented:
>Sheesh does Halloween mean free search warrants or something?
A rhetorical question, just like the Japanese sentence its translated from, that also conveys her annoyance with them being there and that actually fits what's going on around her in the scene. There's virtually no contradiction anywhere.
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>>153435945
>food analogy
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Just wait until CR goes full 4kids and starts editing the video itself. You know its coming.
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In my country all 'translations' looks like GabuDoro CR shitsubs.
They are even replacing sounds in mangs with generic work-art-like fonts. It looks ugly, dialogues are ugly and generally its not worth a single penny. Unfortunately most of people in my country don't know any other language than our own, so publishers are doing what they want.
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>>153435945
Where would you ever get a dish without -any- salt? Not the same anon, but I'd be happy just not having someone dump the whole shaker on it before they bring it to my table.
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>>153435981
lol
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>>153435920
You must hate virtually all translation then.
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>>153436004
Except for the fact that she's not the kind of character who makes witty jokes like that all the time. If that's how she looks to you, it's because the subs changed her entire character.
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>>153435860
Because of that fucking mental gymnastics you just did, only to prove that "its the same thing". Buy Gabriel's character is not like that, I mean, like YOU think it is.

She wouldn't say
>hey guys, could you do me a little favor and see if its raining cats?

She would directly say
>Leave

Also, as you yourself said.
> search warrant gives somebody permission to violate your privacy, enter your home uninvited
>and search your stuff.
That means, this "joke" could also imply she's only not happy with them seaching her house, not only exactly their presence. The joke doesn't deliever what it was supposed to do, because it has room for wrong interpretations.
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TL Note: Halloween means Armageddon.
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>>153436004
>>Sheesh does Halloween mean free search warrants or something?
Except nobody talks like that.
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>>153436093
>witty jokes
How is a dry, sarcastic question a "witty joke" exactly? Dry sarcasm is basically Gabu's thing. You keep trying to invent reasons this doesn't make sense yet all you can come up with is a vague assertion that "it's not in her character!" despite dryness being one of her strongest character traits.
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>>153435945
More like between the chef finishing the dish and you receiving it the waiter went ahead and dumped the entire shaker of salt on it and then got offended when people don't like the dish that way.
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>>153436149
>sarcasm is basically Gabu's thing
It isn't.
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>>153436038
Which country?
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>>153436004
>just like the Japanese sentence its translated from
Wrong. Her character and the actual line do not represent any kind of witty joke. The joke doesn't even fully deliever what it was supposed to.
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>>153436126
I'm still not seeing how this doesn't fit her character. She gives dry lines like that all the time.
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>>153436148
t. basement dweller
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>>153436196
That's probably because it's not a "witty joke"? It's a sarcastic complaint.
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>>153436181
Do you even watch the show? Or are you just unable to detect dry humor in another language?
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>>153435945
That would be, like, your taste man.
But adding salt and giving to the guy next to you would be wrong.
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So just few points before this thread dies.

Everyone who thinks that translation and localization is two completely separate and independent concepts are fucking retarded.
Everyone who thinks that localization is ultimately bad is a fucking imbecile and should kill himself. Every single translation has some degree of localization.

All Gabriel Droput examples in this threads are not caused by "localization", but by translator/editor's liberties. If you want to complain then complain about shitty unnecessary liberties, but don't bring up localization. They are related, but still different concepts. Learn the fucking difference already.
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>>153436260
If you can't get it even after what >>153436126 said then I don't think anyone can convince you.
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>>153436222
>>153436199
>>153436149
Dude, the original line is
>What did you even come here for?
There's no sarcasm there.
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>>153436182
Every country has its own translation traditions. For example almost every country in Europe has something unique about the way they translate things.
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>>153436004
while some memers can try to argue for idioms like "cry uncle" instead of "admit defeat" and "dirty baby" instead of "secret weapon", and near translations like translating "charismatic" into "hella awesome".

how can you defend translating something like "what is this?" to "speak of the devil", or "did you have to come here today?" into some line about warrants? and what about all the cringy hell/heaven god/devil forced puns? there are tons of things like this every couple of lines, you're just defending your friends because they chose to leave the script unedited.
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>>153435877
Well, apparently he doesn't care anymore to reply anyway.
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>>153428772
But anon, I'm learning japanese and I already speak three languages.
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>>153436563
This is the funniest thin about burgers. They know only English in most cases, and they are accusing other anons who are learning /understand more than 2 languages.
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My only wish for 2017 is for the whole meme cartel to die.
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>>153436153
Best food analogy ITT
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>>153436693
Well, to be honest, burgers needn't learn more languages in most cases. Being from a non-english speaking country kind of forces you to learn english, especially if you use the internet a lot.
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