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We failed to protect his smile edition.
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>wearing eyeliner
what a faggot, im glad hes gone
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>>153311407

He will smile again when he kills present Zeno.
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>>153311407
We failed to protect his smile
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Friendly reminder that Black and Zamasu did nothing wrong.
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Vegeta and Chi-Chi wouldn't be a bad union in the slightest. You know Vegeta would force a rigorous education and even more rigorous physical training. He and Bulma are already perfect but Chi-Chi deserves some grade A support too.
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>NO PROTECT THE FUTURE TIME IS REAL WARMING
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Do people actually like Black Goku and Zamasu? Maybe it was just that the arc was all around terrible but those two just seemed like the worst villains DB has ever seen
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>>153311740
>the worst villains DB has ever seen
I wouldn't go that far, but yeah some people massively over hype them imo.
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>>153311684
But they did
Black had many chances to kill Trunks before he even traveled to the current timeline to warn about him, same when he went SSR and Zamasu arrived and not going all against him later when Trunks got SSA and fused with Zamasu.
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>>153311630
Being evil naturally makes your eyes dark you filthy ningen.
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>>153311724
TORANKUSU
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>>153311740
>the worst db villains ever seen
>who is bio broly
>who is bojack
>who is turles
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>>153311835
not
canon
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>>153311740
I liked Zamasu's character motives, but the execution was pretty crap. Especially since they only seemed interested in slowly killing everyone on Earth as opposed to the billions of other inhabited planets in the universe.
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>>153311740
He's a JRPG final boss so it's hard to dislike the concept. The theories surrounding the two of them being thrown around the fact that he was a villain that actually won makes him memorable. I unashamedly love ningen jokes, too.
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>>153311740
I liked them but I will be honest when I say that the memes are part of the reason why.

>>153311835
Non-canon movie characters? Not a good argument.
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>>153311630
>hating on black's eyeliner
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>>153311835
>turles
At least that movie made me laugh, if someone else was a shit villain, that was Android 13
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>>153311893
That anatomy though.
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>>153311740
>but those two just seemed like the worst villains DB has ever seen
How are they worse than Cell or Buu?
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>>153311876
>he was a villain that actually won
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>>153311407
I'm glad SSJ Black never showed up in the anime, that color palette looks like shit
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>>153311893
>she's a tomboy
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>>153311740

they're alright. I like their fabulous designs and Black's moves. They're not great but they're better than Golden Freeza.

also it was refreshing to have a villain with an actual goal for once. first one since fucking Namek. everyone else was ether just looking for a fight or clinically insane
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>>153311954
He killed all the ningens by getting the universe erased. Can call that a partial win.
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>>153311930
>Buu?
Fuck out of here.
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>>153311930
>hating on Cell
>when he's the one that gave us peak gohan
>hating on Buu
>when him and gohan have one of the best exchanges in all of anime history
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>>153311954

He took control of future Zeno anon. Thats a big win imo.
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>>153311963
Of course she was raised by ayy lmao
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>>153311930
Are you implying Cell was bad because Imperfect Cell was excellent before he transformed.
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>>153311662
I remember this fight in the anime, after reading the epic fightscene in the manga I was extremely let down by the horrible animations and i was extremely upset about the anime as a whole.
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>>153311835
Hating based Turles, shit taste detected.
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Universe 11 coming through
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>>153311960
Perhaps you just have shit taste?
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>>153311963
is girl brolly mexican?
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>>153312103
Of course anon, Mexicans are the most powerful DB race.
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>>153312057
Are you hyped for the new arc anon?
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>>153312103
Would make sense since Mexicans love battle shounen
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so what do you people think happened on planet sadla with the whole super saiyan thing , with girl brolly and all
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>>153312137
Well that animation isn't too bad, gives me a bit more hope for the new arc.
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>>153311876
>He's a JRPG final boss so it's hard to dislike the concept.
You mean it comes naturally, a disgust that makes me want to puke all my civilized self and become a monkey man goyboy because I can't stand retardation?
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>>153311662
Golden Frost when?
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>>153312137
I am only because Shueisha is in charge so I expect some better quality than before.
I was quite satisfied by Super Saiyaman vs Goku so.
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post theme songs of the other universe fighters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTLZjhHIEdw
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>>153312164
Clown god stole her so the u6 saiyans didnt know about SSJ/LSSJ probably only Her parents knew until cabba came back from the U6 vs U7 Arc
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>>153312244
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE
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>>153312308
No bad anon
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>>153312217
fuck that give Frost a different color
make him so impressed by SSJB that he makes his new form Blue or something
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>>153312240
If Shueisha really wants this arc to be good they should get some Studio Pierrot animators.
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>>153312384
>make him so impressed by SSJB
He was sleeping since Hit attacked him, he missed the SSB
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>>153312406

that's terrible, though

awful taste
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>>153312419
only in the anime
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>>153312406
That looks like shit anon.
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>>153312446
I bet he will be more bitter of the regular Super Saiyan, so expect Golden Frost or no transformation at all
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>>153312488
I just hope he doesn't look like shit, I hated how they designed golden Frieza
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>>153312015
>>when he's the one that gave us peak gohan
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>>153312406
Naruto had some good animation when it counted, but to be fair they had like a million filler episodes in between every good fight.
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>>153312043
Bug Cell is best Cell
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>>153312566
First form was genuinely creep, second form I didn't like but it was Toriyama's fave.
I love reading TA's interviews.
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>>153312073
Look like universe 11 is actually going to be the hero and good guy that are going to try to defeat the evil and dumb goku that let the multiverse get destroy.
Their kai is a good guy with strong sense of justice , their team looks like super hero team,
and the god is a clown, which is a symbol of happiness, joy,and fun.
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>>153311630
wtf i hate majin vegeta now
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>>153312598
>The Editor shat on bug cell so he had to get new forms
im still mad about that
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>>153312669
>now
>he didn't hate him from the beginning
What a ningen
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>>153312663
Kai is so cute.
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>>153312598
Bug Cell looked cool and creepy af. Also I know it's an anime-only thing but the aura made of ghosts was fucking amazing
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>>153312663
Yeah thats what we think. I love that idea. Kai even looks like one of the Robins from batman a bit. He's even wearing Robin's colour scheme Red, yellow and green
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>>153311407
Goddamn, SSJ Black looks like shit. Glad that didn't make into the anime.
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>>153312663
>Black murdered this guy so he could get rid of the clown GoD
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is there a character that's better in the Super Anime than the Super Manga
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A lot of shit taste in this thread.
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>>153312031
Captain Ayy and the Red and Black will put Goku and friends in a body bags
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>>153312669
Majin Vegeta is pretty shit anon, he's actually so edgy it's hilarious.
>play as Majin vegeta in BT3
>he literally screams YOU'RE DEAD every time he launches a Big Bang attack
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>>153312806
Hit.
Arguably Black
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I'm digging the love for first form Cell. Watching him nearly obliterate Yamcha without hesitation is still a haunting scene in my opinion.
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>>153312806
>is there a character that's better in the Super Anime than the Super Manga
A character that appears in the anime but not the manga, other than that no.
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>>153312770
You have shit taste.
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>>153312806
Gregory
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>>153312863
Majin Vegeta was alright in Supersonic Warriors 2 tho
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>>153312905
I was upset to find out he isn't in the manga.
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>>153312806
Yamcha
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>>153312881
I love those images.
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>>153312905
He doesn't count because he simply doesn't exist in the manga. I think this anon is talking about comparing a character that exists in both mediums.
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>>153312917
Alright? He was a beast in that game
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>>153312863
>I'm not going to hell by myself, I'M TAKING YOU WITH ME
Chills every time.
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>>153312953
>because he simply doesn't exist in the manga.
I think that's the joke anon.
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Chiaotzu's weird habit of walking in the air reminded me of Hsien-Ko from Darkstalkers and it turns out there based on the same Chinese hopping zombies.
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>>153312937
He wasn't in the original manga which the DBS manga is a sequel to
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>>153312939
i wish this episode wasn't toei filler

hope it make it in the manga regardless
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>>153312888
t. Cuckatarofag

How does that Mario Kart cock taste like?
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Reminder if you don't like SS Black you have the shittiest taste
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>>153312984
i know right?

him being a secret character made be wish the Superboss variants of SSJ Goku, Perfect Cell, and Broly were playable
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>>153313048
If you can't appreciate cars or go-karts in a slice of life scene, you're simply not a true Dragon Ball fan.
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>>153313045
You know it won't happen

But at least Toyo can do a poster about the episode, right?

Right?
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>>153312835
Ayy lmao & his team is doing good work then. Representing U11
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>>153312939
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>>153312031
Captain Ayy abuse of steroids will get him out of the tournament unfortunately.
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>>153313060
Looks weird here

>>153311407
But here it looks cool. The yellow+black combination looks good on him.
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>>153313048
>How does that Mario Kart cock taste like?
Stay mad faggot.
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The animation studio of your choice gets to make the next DB movie.

What is your choice?
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>>153313195
I'd love this as a minigame in any of the new games
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>>153313189
>Looks weird here
The lack of aura?
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>>153312997
wew that game had some nice ass dialogue.
>match up android 13 against 18
>she says this ain't my first rodeo buddy
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>>153312863
>not liking YOU'RE DEAD and the way he throws that shit
hitting new lows
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>>153313222
Bones.
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>>153313222
Toei, but using a good staff. I mean, path to the power was god tier.
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>>153313195
I love how Beerus gets completely butthurt over ending up in 3rd.
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>>153313181
aha naw he's clean
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>>153311407
Fuuuckk I was just in Japan and I didn't buy this book. :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I-gL9Yhsv8
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>>153313195
that looks super fucking fun and comfy as shit

why isnt it in the anime?
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So, there's a reason why U11 kaioshin got revealed but not the clown or the angel, right?
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>>153313222
Toei, with OP Gold's staff and planning. Also fire Yamamuro.
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>>153313195
This was amazing slice of life moment that was not only fun but also depicted a great family bonding time between Vegeta and his sons. Kid Trunks calling Future Trunks Oniichan was the best.
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>>153313421
>Also fire Yamamuro

This, please.
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>>153313181
WCW.. I mean Universe 11 doesn't even bother to drug test their talent; likely much to detriment of their well being later in life.
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>>153313410
Maybe it's not their turn yet
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>>153313421
Ajay?
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>>153313222
Madhouse
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>>153313458
kek
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>>153313458
Nope.
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>>153313444
I love those moments too anon. Too bad there wasn't anything like that in the anime.
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>>153313410
maybe Kai is going to talk soon but Clown and twin tails wont yet

>>153313453
this made me laugh but their super heroes not wrestling talent
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>>153313195
I wish the manga was weekly.
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Do you remember those cheesy as fuck Videotoaster 4000 effects they'd use for the Ocean Dub's Title cards?

https://youtu.be/OSEVj_eMd1w
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>>153313195
English version.
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>>153313550
sure they are.

Color Coordinated team
Highly confident, possibly egotistical
if they are going to be one of the main antagonistic teams of Goku and friends, then a 'designated' heel team
Each one probably has their own quirk


Hell, sit there and think about pretty much every main/recurring character in all the Dragon Ball universe and convince yourself they essentially aren't professional wrestling personalities
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>>153313358
Because Toei is too busy wearing out the Beerus and Whis like food joke.
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>>153313458
Not him but Yamamuro is a cancer
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>>153313695
people always focus on the fighs instead of the character moments which are so fucking good
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>>153313712
Damn your right. You got me there
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>>153312598
Bug Cell either shouldn't have talked or been telepathic, having that stupid beak spoils a lot of the tension associated with him.
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>>153313759
It's really a shame that the right looks so shitty instead of the gritty look on the left.
It's even more shame because Yamamuro used to be good.
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>>153313358
Because Toei is shit.
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>>153313712
So all of Dragon Ball is essentially a giant series of professional wrestling matches? Huh. That makes way too much sense.
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>>153311954

He more or less achieve his goals and the damage he did can't be undone using the Dragon Balls unlike the past villains.
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>>153311988
Except by two of them.
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>>153313759
Jesus Christ, any more?
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Favorite DBS ending?

Mine is this one: https://youtu.be/B90kz6nSm1U

The newer version of the current one is also pretty good.
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>>153312020
>He took control of future Zeno anon
Anon, what the fuck.
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why is naotoshi shida so good?
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>>153313695
does the manga have character moments/slice of life stuff like this or is it a rare thing?
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>>153313940
the original jap db one is high up there. the gt ones are not that horrible
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when's the next Budokai game damn it?

they better not bring back shitty Dragon Rush again nor leave out Beam Locks either
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>ssj2 adult gohan(weaker than ssj2 teen gohan) had trouble with dabura
>ssj2 adult trunks(who should be stronger than gohan) had trouble with dabura
>ssj2 adult trunks(never stopped training)=ssj2 adult gohan(stopped training)
Did I miss something or is Toyo a fucking retard?
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>>153314001
/a/ can call me a faggot as much as they want but the ending of GT is still one of my favorite things Dragon Ball related

I teared up like a bitch
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>>153314005
stop raising my hopes anon we both know it will never happen
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>>153314040
SS1 Trunks was having trouble with Dabura. After he unlocked SS2 during the fight, he kicked Dabura's ass.
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>>153314005
>They take out all minigames and beam struggles are gonna be based around rpgs stats
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>>153314040
>Did I miss something
Yes. The fact that you're a massive retard.
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>>153313958
They're very rare, the most you get are eating scenes which are still filled with plot driven speeches.
There's some really good stuff that's manga only if you haven't read it yet I highly suggest you do.
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>>153314005
if they did removed Dragon Rush in Budokai 3, maybe that game could've appeared in EVO or some shit like that
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>>153314040
Gohan was never SSJ2 for Dabura, this has been debated forever within the fandom.
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>>153313958
They're rare, but there's always some little moments here and there.
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>>153313952
Because he don't have to animate lots of stuff every 3 weeks.
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>>153314094
Wasn't Trunks training with the Kais even before fighting Dabura though?
>>153314179
Didn't Gohan go SSJ2 when charging up for Kibito? So why did he fight Dabura in SSJ1 and get his ass kicked?
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>>153314005
Id rather have Tenkaichi 4 tbfh famalam
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>>153314219
>Didn't Gohan go SSJ2 when charging up for Kibito?
He did, he has extremely wild hair that looks different than his normal SSJ1 and had sparks.

>So why did he fight Dabura in SSJ1 and get his ass kicked?
It's unexplained but it could be related to the fact he got his power fully siphoned and even Kibito's healing ability couldn't fully replenish him.
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>>153313222

Madhouse.
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>>153314005
Let Budokai to go, there will be new series sooner or later, like Fusions, I'm sure nobody asked for something like that, and it ended good.
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>>153313939
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>>153314271
>he has extremely wild hair that looks different than his normal SSJ1
Couldn't it just be an art error? Both Toriyama and Toei seems to change that a lot.
>had sparks
In the manga I don't know about that but he had sparks when transforming in the anime
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>>153314219
>Wasn't Trunks training with the Kais even before fighting Dabura though?
He was, but they were only expecting to fight Babidi, Pui Pui and Yakon. Shin even apologizes to Trunks because he didn't expect Dabura to be there helping Babidi.
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>>153314301
>ended good
>turn based trash
>good
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>>153314319
this makes no sense, why is the right pic so fucking bad
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>>153314319
Jesus, what a downgrade that right pic is.
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>>153313939

Not to be that guy.
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>>153314319
Why was Piccolo removed?
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>>153314319
How old is Yamamuro?
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>>153313940

the last one is pretty good it warms my hearth
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>>153314381
Well even so shouldn't SSJ1 Future Trunks be strong enough to fight Dabura? Dabura was weaker than Perfect Cell and I'm pretty sure Trunks has been training ever since he got back.
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>>153314319
At this point, it's clear that Yamamuro can't fuck off from Super but I really hope that the new DB movies and anime won't have him as character designer or animation director.
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>>153314394
I think it is the shading.
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>>153314005
Budokai and Tenkaichi were the best.
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Feni
Tequila
Beer
champagne
???
Whisky
vodka
Tesguino
Ethanol
Cider
Sake
Ale
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What's the name of this transformation again?
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>>153314558
Super Saiyan Upset
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>>153314558
Super Saiyan Ningen
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>>153314558
Super Saiyan Asspull
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>>153314521
Everything is bad. The art is so stiff, useless highlight, shitty color palette and so on.
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Why people still pretending Gohan can go SS2 any time? He was angry when he showed SS2, his future wife was slowly (almost) killed five minutes ago, is impossible see that and don't still angry in your deeps, even if she's already healed.
Gohan being or not capable to go SS2 any time was just a fan assumption until his fight with Dabra proves he can't, because his aura is clearly the regular one. No spikes or sparks on any panel.
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>>153314552
Christ what awful designs. I honestly can't imagine any of them being in dragon ball z in the 90s
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>>153314558
Stuper Saiyan
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>>153314619
>he says while posting a pic of Goku but evil
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>>153314386
Fusions obviously wasn't the best, but it wasn't the worst either (Legacy of Goku 1, Ultimate Tenkaichi, Battle of Z), I had fun with it as much with Xenoverse 2, so that's why both were somehow good.
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>>153314558
Super Saiyan please don't be in the manga.
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>>153314638
Goku Black's design makes sense though because it's literally Goku. Having a completely new design would be bad in this case.
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>>153314643
>The jump from Legacy of Goku 1 to 2 is pretty massive thou
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What was the one DBZ game that you could choose between the different stages of characters? I know it had GT in it and was before that Rush bullshit.
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>>153314619

Are you ignoring Majin Bu design?
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>>153314552
that one to the left of the clown seems kinda familiar
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>>153314005
>tfw will never re-experience the days where you sneak open your PS2 at late night with your cousin just to play Budokai 3 and Infinite World
and he keeps kicking my ass with SSJ2 "Teen" Gohan
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>>153314668
Can't wait to find that out next week.
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>>153314722
They really don't look much similar at all.
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>>153314721
That saga had some good designs though like Dabura, Yakon, Supreme Kais, etc. Personally I like Super Buu's design too. However, THIS
>>153314552
looks like pure trash
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>>153313759
anyone else really like the villain's character designs from this movie?
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>>153314772
Same, wonder how Trunks will survive alone against both Black and Zamasu at the same time.
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>>153311875
In the anime at least it is heavily implied the reason they're fucking with earth was because of Trunks and Goku, both of which had committed an unforgivable sin in Zamasu's eyes and thus felt deserved a slow and painful punishment.
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>>153314763
Why would you want to experience something you already did? That sounds boring.
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>>153314722
Just a little, but I see what you mean.
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>>153314617
>Why people still pretending Gohan can go SS2 any time?
He pulled out the Z-Sword in SSJ2 though
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>>153314619

I think the art style is the biggest issue for you.
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Let's play a bingo game.
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>>153312806
Black and Zamasu, Hit.

Vegeta too as we get to see more scenes of him being a proper family man.
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>>153314454
Probably for the same reason the characters still got rekt by the androids even though they trained for 3 years after Trunks warned them.
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>>153314797

Not me, just a bunch of muscular guys with the same facial expression, not enough variety.

However, Zangya is top alien waifu.
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>>153314900
I don't know if art style can make a tiny yellow mouse look cool, anon.
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>>153314558
st.anger
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>>153314552
Personally i always hated Beerus' design. I think its the stupid outfit
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>>153314793
I thought the gods of destruction would have more interesting designs, but I'm fine with what we got.
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>>153314689
>tfw prefer LoG2 over Buu's Fury because of the all the charge attack usage and better difficulty and more secret bosses like Cooler
and don't even give me the dinosaur egg escort shit

just use vegeta and gitgud
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>>153314900

Who would've voiced Whis, Beerus and Zamasu had DBS been made in the 90s?

Maybe Yamadera as Beerus may be possibility since he voiced Tien for a few episodes but that's about it.
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>>153314900
I miss old DBZ style, but I think Super's artstyle is slowly getting better.
Sloooowly at that.
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>>153312865
Anime executed Black/Zamasu's character arc far better, this is not up for discussion anymore.

You can add Gowasu to that list because in the manga he is only there for exposition whereas in the anime we get to see more of him interacting with Zamasu and we get to understand his views on ningens and justice.
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>>153315008
>sub
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>>153314722
march can't come quick enough
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>>153315041
>I haven't read the manga
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>>153314891
Nope, never happened. Gohan hair changed as soon the tournament arc started so his SS form had only one front tuft, but auras don't lie in the manga, he was SS.
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>>153315043
>dub
you w0t?
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>>153314558
Super Saiyan Ikari
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>>153314997
>tfw i played LoG2 so many times that the egg escort is pretty much second nature to me
Am i supposed to feel proud or sad?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz6E-yx4hVo


DRAGONBALLLLLLL
DRAGONBALLLLLLLLLLLLLL HEROES
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>>153315076
Clearly you haven't, any and all scenes involving gowasu showing plot important shit to zamasu is in the anime.
Super DB, Godtube, Timerings, you name it, except he also gets some extra scenes with him where he talks to zamasu about justice and ideals and shit, scenes that are entirely absent in the manga.
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>>153314925
>16 17 and 18 don't have their respective numbers
>Vegeta has 69

hah
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>>153315078
So how would Gohan turn SSJ Rage if Rage is what turns him into SSJ2?
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>>153314816
If he gets SSA I hope Toyo gives it a proper explanation. Or maybe give him something else.
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>>153314558
Super Saiyan Salty
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>>153315137
Thanks for proving my point.
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>>153315078
In the anime he goes SSJ2 for Gibito in the tournament. Which looks like what that is on the bottom right in that image.
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>>153315079
>Grandma Goku
Don't give me that >b-b-but Toriyama imagined that's how he'd sound!
Doesn't make it good, faggot.
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"It is a trivialization of our venerated divinity and a distortion of our worshiped Lord Ganesha as a god of wisdom and obstacle remover, which is always invoked before the beginning of any major enterprise, " said Rajan Zed, president of the Universal Society of Hinduism in a statement on their website.

Emphasizing the importance of Lord Ganesha, Zed made it clear that Ganesha is worshiped in temples and homes and should not be categorized as an evil character in a TV series for greed. Expressing dismay, Zed urged Toei Animation from Tokyo, the producers, and FUNimation Entertainment from Texas to remove the character from the series for his similarity to Ganesha.

"The inappropriate use of deities or Hindu concepts for commercial purposes is not good, since it harms the devotees," he said. " Hinduism is the oldest and third religion in the world with about one billion adherents and rich philosophical thought." Symbols of any faith, greater or less, should not be mistreated, " said Zed.

He further pointed out that such distorted images of Hindu deities will create disinformation and confusion among non-Hindus regarding Hinduism.
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>>153315174
I accept your concession.
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>>153315181
Trunks looks like Edward Elric in that pic.
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>>153312406
Nah, they should do the real fights hand drawn and get the guys who did one punch man and the legendary rock lee vs gaara fight to do it.

No one else can make that shit work.
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>>153315181
You're a faggot minority if you don't like Masako.
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>>153315229
I don't know who Masako is but I can agree that Japanese Super Perfect Cell VA is god tier and nothing in english dub both original or kai can come close.
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>>153315257
German cell is even better.
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>>153315257
>>153315229
https://youtu.be/qJEbzM9bhQw
here's an example of how english dub should be
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>>153312164
The writers, I shit you not, put her in an entirely different fucking universe.
For two reasons.
1.Apparently there aren't enough fucking super saiyajins. Need another fucking SSJ or fucked up version of or a just plain stupid new SSJ form!

2.They realized that there was no way to make this not deeply fucking retarded on every level by making her to be the LSSJ because it on every level breaks all canon so far.

So she's just some rando SJ BUT NOT REALLY SJ BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY TWO PLACES IN ALL OF THE MULTIVERSE WITH SAIYJAINS jailbait who becomes a geared up female bodybuilder FOR LAFFS!!
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post yfw Universe 7 is the most evil universe
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>>153315285
Recommend a scene? Send a link?
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>>153315197
Had to look that shit up. Sounds about as ridiculous as when Christian fundamentalists tried to get Pokemon banned in the States because they thought it promoted witchcraft.
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>>153312806
Hiit.
Before they just outright ruined the character in the later eps.
Now..they have fuck and all.
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>>153315333
What if Sidra recently became GoD? After Whis said that.
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>>153315354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v55t5jnhz5s
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>>153315386
>Hiit.
>Before they just outright ruined the character in the later eps.
Ha I knew animefags cried when Toei nerfed Hit.
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>>153315333
Hardly able to destroy shit because he is too indecisive.
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>>153315423
holy fuck
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>>153314437
They are systematically removing any and all references of Piccolo interacting with or being a better guardian then Goku from all media.

Notice how he didn't show up or was even mentioned in the Saiyaman movie ep?
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>>153315333
Being indecisive doesn't make you less violent though.

Easily it could be explained that he is unable to decide on wether destroying a planet outright or wiping out its inhabitants first is better.
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>>153315386
>Before they just outright ruined the character in the later eps.
He was trash before he was nerfed. Being overpowered without any logic or reason was fucking dumb to begin with.
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>>153315495
Gohanfags are at it again
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>>153315440
>>153315507
Either this or Whis was simply bullshitting.
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Why didn't Supreme Kai wake up Beerus to defeat Buu? It's not like Beerus can kill the Supreme Kai.
>inb4 Toriyama didn't think of Beerus while writing the Buu Saga
Then why didn't he come up with a better excuse than Beerus was sleeping?
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>>153315495
Will you guys ever stop projecting your daddy issues on Gohan?
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>>153314319
>>153313759
It's basically just streamlined into Dragon Ball's modern art style.
This shit needs to go, someplace far
like off a cliff.
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>>153315386
>character become weaker
>they ruined his character!!!!!
God DB fans are shallow fucks.
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>>153315326
Or Clown god stole her from U6 like we've been saying
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>>153311407
Still waiting for Cell
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>>153315579
What happened to Kid Trunks smugness in Super? I can't imagine him riding on a train ride like a baby.
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>>153315573
Do you want to be the one to wake up a cranky beerus?
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>>153315632
did you forget in Z
>DAD TAKE ME TO THE PARK REEEEEE *super saiyan bargain sales externally*
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How the hell was Goku able to Kamehameha Hit's timeskip in the rematch?
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>>153315692
Why would it matter? Their lives AND Beerus was on the line so Beerus should have understood unless he wanted to die.
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>>153315744
The fact of the matter is that Supreme Kai was a fucking moron, and his entire plan was idiotic. Thank god Trunks had better sense in his timeline.
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>>153315041
>Black/Zamasu's character arc
It was random as fuck retardation that lead to a brickwall of fucking stupid.
None of that stupid shit made any sense and their attempts to lure in the fujos with fuccbois doing gay shit just put me completely off.
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>>153315772
Ignore him he's baiting.
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>>153315772
Nice opinion friendo.

But who cares if black and zamasu have zero characterization in the manga, they are shit anyways toyo is o-our guy
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>>153315326
Given that Basil is in the same shot as Hit and Magetta despite being from U6, female Broly being in the same shot as as some of the U11 characters doesn't automatically mean she's from there too. Calm yourself.
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>>153315770
Why did Goku never do the ritual to become ultimate?
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>>153315041
>Anime Black
>good
Broken Zenkai queef that let's Zamasu get the kill on Goku even though he shouldn't really have a motive for revenge? That retard?
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wtf i love videl
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>>153315728
He's Goku, he isn't going to explain shit
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>>153315857
Arrogance and attachment to his precious SSJ3 form.

Just look at him at the start of the Kid buu fight.

>L-Look Vegeta-Senpai, how cool is SSJ3???

You see the same thing going on when he shows Beerus SSj3.
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>>153315866
Me too
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>>153315860
Don't forget flash bombs and tear gas.
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>>153315904
I would expect him to want even more power for his own ego. Was it ever explained, when ultimate can you even go SSJ anymore?
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>>153315930
I want to marry Videl!
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>>153315432
That wasn't a nerf. That was basically decimating the only good thing to come out of super period.
The last, only good thing to come out of the anime.

>>153315523
>Being overpowered without any logic or reason was fucking dumb to begin with.

You've just described
The saiyajins
Frieza
Cell
Super Trunks in his entireity
Gohan
Basically every other threat and hero and being they've faced so far.

You just dislike the character because he was interesting. He's exactly the kind of martial artist who uses terrifying deadly techniques that Toriyama loved to use in DB back in the day.

Having a character that Goku couldn't over power and had to outfight is what the character of Goku would have loved to face AND what Toriyama liked overall.

Now everything about hiit is just gimmick ki attacks and his cool time stop thing is just another ki attack that can be kamehawaved.
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>>153315989
SHES ALL MINE
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>>153315608
His entire thing was that he was equal to goku in power without having to fight with his killing abilities.

They not only made him horribly weaker but they turned his COOL KILLING FIGHTING SKILLS and his TIME STOP ability into two shitty ki attacks.
He doesn't even outfight goku anymore. He just powers up like fucking everyone else and has a generic slugging match.
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>>153315997
>You just dislike the character because he was interesting.
No him powering up out of nowhere to be strong as SSB KK10 was stupid;
Everyone is glad he got nerfed to be in line with the plot outlines, get fucking over it.
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>>153315997
>The saiyajins
Strong alien race
>Frieza
Mutant of his race
>Cell
Mix of Saiyans, Frieza and Piccolo's DNA
>Super Trunks in his entireity
He's more of a ningen than the rest of ningens
>Gohan
Highest potential
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>>153315997
>He's exactly the kind of martial artist who uses terrifying deadly techniques that Toriyama loved to use in DB back in the day.
Seems like the standard Toei rapid punch spam to me.
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>>153316018
FUCK YOU
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>>153315860
>Broken Zenkai queef
Irrelevant because it doesn't take anything away from the quality of the character

>Lets Zamasu get the kill on Goku.
Why not?

We see them being friendly with eachother, It is not OOC for Black to share with someone he is so friendly towards, specially when he had already killed the one Goku that pissed him off.

Zamasu hates ningens, he has no need to specifically hate Goku in order to want to finish him off, only explanation we need for is the one he gave us himself.
"You promised I would be the one to finish off Goku"- simple as that, he wanted the finishing hit because black promised it to him.
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>>153316069
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>>153316089
She's adorable.
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>>153316089
>Saiyaman not wearing the helmet
MY AUTISM REEEEEEE
though the way the bandanna tassles in the wind like that would be a neat compliment to add to the helmet
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>>153315904
That's because Goku doesn't have an ultimate form because he's already at his ultimate peak of power.

The ritual unlocked hidden potential power and did marvelously for Gohan. Who we all know has ridiculous power potential.
Goku's potential mortal power was already reached.
He is a master who seeks new heights and new skills with his own training and training form others.
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>>153316125
>Irrelevant because it doesn't take anything away from the quality of the character
Yes it does, he's a joke character that becomes stronger every blow. How can anyone take someone serious when Toei makes him out to be broken because they can't write a good plot to compensate for his lack of character in the anime.
All he has going for him is that he's smug and arrogant because he's overpowered. Nothing special about his Anime version.
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He will protect everyone's smiles.
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>>153315129
>still no Golden King Cold and Golden Cooler in DBH

Come one, we need more of this dumb fanfiction shit
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>>153316069
This fight made no sense, if Hit can stop time how the hell does Goku predicting Hit help him any?
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So how well do you think the non-Saiyans from Universe 7 will do in the tournament? I really hope they don't all just end up jobbing. It'd be nice to see them hold their own.
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>>153316167
She was the original tsundere!
>>153316171
Yeah, I hated the bandana.
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>>153316236
He skips time, he doesn't actually stop it.
Toei fucks up though and depicts it as if he's stopping time though.
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>>153316125
>Zamasu hates ningens, he has no need to specifically hate Goku in order to want to finish him off,
Stop being retarded.
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>>153312103
naw, she would be cooking if she was.
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>>153316247
Why the fuck do you care? The show is about Goku and Vegeta.

Never understood this fixation /a/ has for side characters.
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>>153316262
so it's like king crimson?
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>>153316089
It's a shame Videl became a housewife, there could've been a whole Great Saiyaman family.

Goten could've been the Robin
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>>153316359
Goten isn't lame enough for that.
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>>153316262
>Toei fucks up though
God this happens too often.
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>>153316359
Housewife Videl isn't that bad though but to be fair Saiyawomen wasn't canon
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>>153316318
In a way, cause Diavolo and hit know when it's time to make the donuts
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>>153315129
>still no SSGSS Golden Cell
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>>153316394
>Goten is to much of a faggot to be glorious Kamen Rider Homage
FTFY
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>>153316054
Why? Why is him "powering up" I mean trying harder to equal KK10 SSJB goku stupid? Because you want goku to be invincible until he has to fight a random space god faggot with a retarded nonsensical reason for being a villian?

Goku has to fight stronger beings so shit can get cool. Throwing an interesting one under the bus for no logical reason what so ever is stupid.

Fucks sake, not a single solitary motherfucking person in that entire goddamned tournament looks to be anything except badly drawn DA fanfiction and bad ideas. Why throw away one character that people are familar with and want to see fight goku again.
And everyone = those fucking hacks who've been fucking up the show from ep 1? Yeah.
>>153316068
>>The saiyajins
>Strong alien race
Hiit strong alien
>>Frieza
>Mutant of his race
Potential mutant alien
>>Cell
>Mix of Saiyans, Frieza and Piccolo's DNA
Pure mutant alien with super powers
>>Super Trunks in his entireity
>He's more of a ningen than the rest of ningens
That is stupid and makes no sense
>>Gohan
>Highest potential
Hiit apparently has the highest potential of his alien race and of all of the beings in his univers and he's spent 1000 years reaching it and perfecting his fighting skills.

Hiit makes logical sense within context of DB.

>>153316069
It's all rapid punch spam.
it's the presentation and the key HOLY SHIT moments that really count.
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>>153316406
The saiyaman 2 thing gave her something to do other than shitting out babies and cooking.

>>153316394
Goten probably just wants his costume to more edgy and cool
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>>153316400
>two sets of Mai & Trunks
The Future Bulma of Cell's timeline would cry.
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>>153316424
He's too busy having a dragon ball in his chest https://youtu.be/cEGY2jJwnDg
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>>153316438
>Why? Why is him "powering up" I mean trying harder to equal KK10 SSJB goku stupid?
It's stupid because he randomly started to try harder, and he's magically super powerful.

>Because you want goku to be invincible until he has to fight a random space god faggot with a retarded nonsensical reason for being a villian?
shut the fuck up idiot, no one is asking for an invincible Goku, stop putting words in peoples mouths just because you don't have a fucking argument.
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>>153311630
>not wearing eyeliner
What are you, some kind of gaybo?
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>>153316466
If Trunks and Mai went there, there would be 1 Trunks and 2 Mais.
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>>153316438
>That is stupid and makes no sense
He somehow got SSA after getting called ningen and sinner, and after being injured by Black.
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>>153316359

More functional and interesting family than the previous generation.

Watching Goten become the most powerful motherfucker and get some development and succeed where Gohan kept jobbing BECAUSE of the fact Gohan is a good father and brother would be good.
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>>153315181
you know Toriyama chose all of the voice actors, right? people forget how much he contributed to the anime and use the "FILLER!!!" card
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>>153313865
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>>153316594
That doesn't make sub better than dub just because he chooses voice actors.
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>>153316604
We can pretty much agree in terms of potential
Bra > Pan > Goten=Trunks > Gohan > Goku = Vegeta
Right?
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>>153316627
>b-b-but Toriyama imagined that's how he'd sound!

No he literally chose her specifically because he wanted her to voice the character. You're literally complaining about the Japanese dub for a children's tv show.
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>>153316659
Put Cell above Bra.
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>>153316664
I wasn't disagree that Toriyama imagine he'd sound like that. It's a fact that he did. My point is that just because he imagined Goku to sound like a grandma doesn't make it a good excuse as to how that's any better.
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>>153315772
holy shit dude
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>>153316523
>It's stupid because he randomly started to try harder, and he's magically super powerful.
You mean like how trunks magically decided to get REALLY REALLY ANGRY and unlock a super form for no logical reason is okay?
Look characters unlocking abilities they have sealed or whatever or just TRYING HARDER is an age old shounen tradition. Even Goku does that. Hell people in the actual story bitch at goku because he holds way too much back when he fights people so that he can get the best match possible.

>>Because you want goku to be invincible until he has to fight a random space god faggot with a retarded nonsensical reason for being a villian?
>shut the fuck up idiot, no one is asking for an invincible Goku, stop putting words in peoples mouths just because you don't have a fucking argument.
Yes you did you faggot.
You're saying you don't like Hiit being a super powerful opponent and you're glad that they made him into an easily beaten bitch in FILLER because it interferes with stupid as fuck plot points.
But you have no problem with the outright motherfucking retarded and totally canon break power levels in the utter clusterfuck of the super trunks saga.

Fuck off bitch.
Hiit was the only good thing to come out of the anime and they fucked it up because goku having an arch rival that isn't fucking vegeta or some fucking frieza expy is bad for some reason and they need to hype of the clusterfuck of characters that they scavenged from toriyamas waste bin they're calling the fighters for the multivesal tournament.
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>>153315930
post the other angles of that figure
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>>153314153
Do you guys think Beerus and Whis enjoy real ramen as opposed to cup ramen?

Why is every planet so shit at making food? Isnt being a chef truly the most valuable thing you can do in the universe?
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>>153316268
Maybe you're mixing up characters?

Future Zamasu doesn't need a reason to want to finish off Goku beyond what's given to us.
tryinng to pass this is off as an OOC moment is laughable.
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>>153316604
Why did I read this? I just want to kill all wrestling nerds for being such wastes of oxygen
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>>153316753
See >>153316268
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>>153316730
hnnnnnnngh
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>>153316709
>You mean like how trunks magically decided to get REALLY REALLY ANGRY and unlock a super form for no logical reason is okay?
You can't excuse anime only trash with more anime only trash.
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>>153316558
Yeah apparently watching them ruin the world he nearly died hundreds of times to defend burn his mother to death in front of him and then shoot his woman in the face wasn't enough to make him angry.
Calling him a jerk and saying that it's his fault...for some reason was what set off that retarded transformation.
..

And don't try to give it a name.
The super writers wrote this bullshit off as fast as possible and sent Trunks to his home planet ala Poochy.
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>>153316770
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>>153316770
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>>153316659
You're missing Frieza considering how quick he got over with the crowd as a returning legend despite his last moments as a main eventer being beaten like a jobber by Trunks, who ultimately lost and had to be bailed out in an angle that spanned multiple years, two universes and two timelines. Frieza probably caught wind of the script for that angle and wanted to return and make one last big impression before Trunks's lost shit on his legacy even further and the crowd was chanting "YOU STILL GOT IT" at him as he fought in a 1v2 handicap match despite leaving the ring for years and would have gotten a draw too if it wasn't for that Whis run-in.
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>>153316795
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When?
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God, Videl was 10/10

Why'd Toriyama make her into bland housewife? It's fine being a housewife but her personality isnt there.
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>>153316709
It's fucking hilarious how fucking mad you are, you must be an insignificant person in real life to be this triggered over your precious little bitch character getting his well deserved nerf.
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>>153316814
>>153316686
Oh I was just listing the saiyans
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>>153316827
After this
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>Cell, Frieza, Spike the Devilman not in the universe 7 team

explain this bullshit.
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>>153316847
Videl was a massive cunt. Absolutely no one liked her.
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>>153316193
You're not adding anything of value, your argument amounts to Black being bad because he is OP in the anime when in the manga he is the same in the way he behaves, acting all smug and arrogant when he has the advantage over his opponents(see his introduction and current chapter of the manga).

You're ultimately missing the point of why the anime version of Black/Zamasu is better.
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>>153316879
You mean in the show or out of it? I loved her when I was a kid.

In the show she has friends. Hot blonde chick, muscle dude, and nerdbro. Unless those were non canon.
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>>153316847
short hair fighter Videl > long hair tsundere Videl >>>>>> super Videl > end of z Videl
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>>153316847
Toriyama lost interest in pretty much everything from Gohan's school days. At least Videl even appears. Sharpner and Erasa fucked off into bolivian.

>>153316879
I loved her!
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>>153316947
This was seriously pathetic.
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>>153316766
You're not making any arguments.

Explain in detail why you think this seals the deal on the characters being terrible in the anime.

Explain in detail why you think anything out of that scene can even be argued to be an inconsitency from either character.

I'll wait patiently, but boy I'm sure as helll not expecting anything from you.
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>>153316935
>Sharpner and Erasa fucked off into bolivian
They were never very relevant in the manga though.
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>>153316795
>>153316770
>>153316795
>>153316825
how am i supposed to stay in my base form when that exists and i don't have it?
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>>153316967
See >>153316268
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>>153316865
>Cell, Frieza
They're dead

>Spike the Devilman
Even if he could hit anyone without dying, there's no guarantee that the people he hit will be evil so there's huge consistency issues with bringing him.
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>>153316972
Erasa was a cutie though.
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>>153316947
How did you post smug ouchie anon? I tried earlier but got an error, it said the gif had an embedded file.
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>>153316922
saiyaman 2 is also high up in the list too
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4p9t1DB76Y


God my dick. 18 and Videl are perfect.
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>>153316893
>your argument amounts to Black being bad because he is OP in the anime when in the manga he is the same in the way he behaves, acting all smug and arrogant when he has the advantage over his opponents(see his introduction and current chapter of the manga).
He has good reason to be smug in the manga, in the anime he's OP and completely broken and there's no weight to his decisions or characteristics because he's near invincible.

>You're ultimately missing the point of why the anime version of Black/Zamasu is better.
What point is there to miss? There is no point to begin with.
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>>153316893
They both suck and have no redeeming qualities.
Sorry bro.
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>>153316999
>there's no guarantee that the people he hit will be evil
Devilmite beam isnt about being good or evil. Spike's claim to fame with the beam was beating this really tough priest guy with it. It's about having any negativity at all. Since Goku is a giant dumbass who thinks about one thing, he's never negative and wasnt effected. A pure evil character might be unaffected too.
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>>153317020
I liked the Kai version of it too
https://youtu.be/oesN1Y2QS3U
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>>153316935
Their kid showed up in EoZ though didn't he?
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>>153316851
Sh..sh..shut up
Hiit sucks!
You're a nobody so you don't matter but i'm going to respond to you anyway!
Bakka!
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>>153316985
I'll proceed to interpret your post as an admission of defeat while pretending to be as condescending as possible

I accept your concession.
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>>153317057
Not in the manga.
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>>153317081
>no argument left
I accept your concession.
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>>153317057
They had a kid? I don't remember that.
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>>153317120
Dude, your entire post was an adhom with no substance.
There was no argument. So I responded to a non argument with a non argument.
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>>153317143
I just assumed that one blonde kid that showed up at the tournament was their kid. He looks like a combo of the two.
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>>153317038
Even assuming that he managed to hit and the target had negative thoughts, what if the target was immune to explosions or could regenerate? Spike is a gimmick fighter whos heavily outclassed in every other area and his gimmick most likely won't even land and even if it lands, there's no guarantee it will work.
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>>153317057
Wiki says Erasa appeared in RoF but I honestly don't remember.
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>>153317158
Your OP character got nerfed and now you're cryin.over spilled milk. I dont need to argue with you.
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does anyone know where to find the dub of dbz kai buu saga online? asking for... myself
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>>153317227
hotanime dot me/watch/dragon-ball-z-kai-the-final-chapters-episode-001.html
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>>153315129
>buff kid buu

oh shit
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>>153317216
There's no argument to be had. I'm saying it's fucking stupid and ruins a lot of shit, and you're simply saying NUH UH over and over again.
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>>153317257
you're my friend now. here's some best girl.
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>>153314970
It's worked for the electric rat.
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>>153317265
You're crying that Toei nerfed what was an anime only power up down to a reasonable power level (Full powered SSB Tier) and you're crying over and over again that he's not SSBKK10 level. Shut up.
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>>153317297
>best girl
But that isn't Videl. We're not friends anymore.
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>>153311835
>Turles

Take him off your list you double nigger
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>>153316424
CRIMSON Cell.
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>>153315129
>all these asspull fan art tier transformations
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>>153317346
What's up with this Chibi art style?
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>>153316167
Feminised tomboys are my fetish.
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So How long Do you give it until Dragon ball Heroes does Broly vs Fem Broly
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>>153317394
Same here, anon.
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>>153317316
Dude, they fucked this COMPLETELY up.
You're ensenuating that SSBKK10 is some great thing. It's not.
The anime made it into a shit short term power up during the ridiculous trunks saga.
He used it to get JUST strong enough to stop black massu from holding his fucking leg and it was still ineffective.

Hiit wasn't fucking nerfed to be equal to goku. He was nerfed into being inferior to SSJB goku and his unique fighting style and abilities retconned into shitty ki attacks that can easily be taken out with a ki attack.
This is a bad fucking idea and I have not seen a single person who was happy about this.

You are defending them ruining something that was at one time good about the series so they can play up something that has, from everything we've seen so far, very little potential of being good in the future.
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>>153317517
It doesn't matter Hits jobbing to Ayy lmao so why does he matter anymore ?
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>>153317435
They'll more then likely never acknowledge fem-broly. I seriously doubt they'll acknowledge most of the people from Super.
Hell, I honestly believe that they'll pretend that Super Trunks doesn't even exist and continue to use Z saga and GT trunks.
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>>153317026
>He has good reason to be smug in the manga, in the anime he's OP and completely broken and there's no weight to his decisions or characteristics because he's near invincible.

Oh man, it's like you fucking missed the entire point of him trying to become Goku in the first place.

If "adding weight to his decisions" is the stick you use to measure the quality of a character with I'm surprised you're not fellating anime Black/Zamasu all day because the anime actually bothered to give meaning to his actions and made them believable.

In the manga he decides to become Goku overnight just because he saw him on Godtube and thought he was strong.

In the anime he becomes Goku because being defeated by him hurt his pride and furthered his prejudice against ningens, not only that we actually spend time seeing him build the resolve to go through with his plan, which is more than can be said about the manga.


Even if you were to say heavily opiniated shit like >>153317032
or that the execution sucked in the anime, it doesn't negate the fact there is no character arc for Zamasu/Black in the manga.


I'm done arguing with you, you clearly don't even have a basic grasp on what makes a character compelling.
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>>153314797

>anyone else really like the villain's character designs from this movie?

No. Too generic and Bojack was literally Broly and Super Android 13. Both muscular muscle heads with no brain.
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>>153317559
You're right. It doesn't matter.
Goku can only have ONE arch nemesis that is not vegeta or a fake frieza per series.
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>>153317517
>You're ensenuating that SSBKK10 is some great thing. It's not.
Yeah it's anime only filler tier shit.

>The anime made it into a shit short term power
He never went x10 in that throwaway scene>>153317517
>his unique fighting style and abilities retconned
This wasn't a retcon, they simply gave him more dumb abilities.
Long story short Toei dug themselves a dumb plot hole and digging themselves out was destined to look dumb.
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>>153317571
> I seriously doubt they'll acknowledge most of the people from Super.
I'm pretty positive that they're already using Super characters such as Black, Zamasu or any U6s.
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>>153317576
The only thing going for the anime Black is that he stole Goku's body out of being butthurt that he lost in a duel.
This came at the expense of trashing the pre-established rules of time travel.
The Causal Loop Paradox created from them establishing that duel was not worth the shitstorm it created.
If you think this is the only reason he is much better than the anime it's a pretty weak argument.
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>>153317571
They've acknowledge Black and Zamasu and even blu hair trunks I think they're going with Super being in another timeline

https://youtu.be/5PzF5TTEees
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>>153317593
>bojack will never tell you what a nice planet you got
>he will never send you to the afterlife to meet your father
feels bretty gud
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>>153317596
Sure lets go with that
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>>153317339
friends?
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>>153312835
Soon?
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>>153317509
What does it say?
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>>153317795
BEERUS IS GOING TO FREAK. SON GOKU HAS TURNED HIS BACK ON UNIVERSE 7 & HAS JOINED AYY LMAO AND THE ELITE GUARD AS A UNIVERSE 11 FIGHTER
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>>153316853
Considering how Cell's made of so many Saiyans, I'm thinking he should count if Pan's 1/4 Saiyan does.
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>>153317809
I don't speak moon so no idea
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>>153316999
>dead
>what are Dragon Balls
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>>153317593
>Both muscular muscle heads with no brain.
Why in the fuck do you care about their smurtz?
This a martial arts anime with people who can lay low fucking star systems with a fart.

A wise warrior once said. "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".

Toriyama knew that and if you take a look at his villians you'd see that
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>>153317921
Already been used once to revive Frieza.
>reviving villians
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>>153317394
>feminized tomboy
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>>153317881
WELL LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING MEAN ZENE! THIS TRASH IN THE RING REPRESENTS EACH AND EVERY OPPONENT HERE TONIGHT!
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>>153317936
>Namek balls
>implying they care for that restriction anymore
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>>153317962
Cute! But
>untitled.jpg
Bit mean bro.
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>>153317964
BY ZENO IS MY WITNESS SON GOKU HAS SOLD HIS SOUL TO A MAKAIOSHIN HERE TONIGHT KING KAI
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>>153314558
Pseudo Cyan
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>>153317627
Dude, just because he's not like the boring faggot with a retarded trick in the manga does not mean his mere existence is a fucking plot hole.

Hiit in the anime is in all way superior to the manga version and everything about the character works.

Fucking throwing around SSG like it's just some random SSJ form is bullshit.
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Leave Cyber Sarge to me.
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>>153318061
>Hiit in the anime is in all way superior to the manga version and everything about the character works.
Okay now I know I'm dealing with a delusional freak or a troll.
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>>153317627
>He never went x10 in that throwaway scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c-aUWDlMBI
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>>153318125
How is manga Hiit better.
Please elaborate.
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>>153318143
Does he ever mention he's 10x? Does his hair turn gray? Then no.
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>>153311407
So I've started rewatching Dragon Ball for the first time in about 15 years

I never realised how much I miss the fights, they were way more about choreography and technique - Yamcha vs. Tien is way more interesting than anything DBZ or Super has given us so far
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>>153318160
Kaioken CLEARLY means less then fuck all anymore if he uses it for something so minor and he doesn't use it to it's full potential against blackmassu.

They threw that shit out. The Super Trunks saga fucked up a TON of shit.
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>>153318186
Don't forget how big they made kaiokens initial risk and negative side effects nonexistant when he used it against merged Zamasu.
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>>153318183
That's because you're a simpleton anon.
You can't conceptualize fights that take more then the simplest of movements.
Ki attacks that have destructive potential and have unique abilities in fights are lost on people like you.
You're quite simply not clever enough to get it.
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>>153318296
>lol my beam is more powerful than urs
>nuh uh i wasnt even using my full power for some reason even though ur a universe-ending threat
>oh no my beam is less powerful than urs now!

Yeah it's so deep.
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>>153318160
Don't see any reason to believe he didn't bullshit more power than he ever did before in that one scene.
Goku putting so much power into his kamehameha to the point he breaks his own arms is unprecedented.

That being said it is retarded as shit to argue about the quality of a characters while at the same time trying to bring PL """"consistency"""""and scaling into the discussion, They simply do not make or break a character.

This may come as surprise to you fucktards but a character having adhering to "consistent/logical powerscaling" doesn't become less shitty and uninteresting.
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>>153318364
Like I said. You're a simpleton.

My punch is more powerful then yours
nuh uh i wasn't even using my full technique for some raison even though u can kill me and my friends
on no my punches are less powerful then urs now
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>>153318158
It's not necessarily that Hit is a better character in the manga, it's just that he's not flanderized into a 1 dimensional time freezing OP character that can only be matched by an asspull.
In the anime. His Timeskip is depicted by Toei as if he's literally freezing time and doing crazy shit in his frozen dimension.
Not only that they have to go off script to make him a super powerful with a powerup out of nowhere, even though he is supposed to be a mysterious character that relies on his special abilities.
Last and most importantly, in the manga the Timeskip is completely backed up with the logical drawback that you have to exert your power level to be higher than your opponent to get the full effect of a timeskip.
In the anime it's just asspull after asspull that degrades his sleek assassin persona.
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>>153314962
Twintails angel a qt.
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>>153318448
But this doesn't matter as he's a jobber soon so fuck off
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>>153318466
He's a jobber in the anime too, how does that make you feel you queef?
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>Universal Tournament
>Zeno is the perfect excuse to say "oh yeah everyone in the arena's power level will be equalized so it'll be about who's actually the better fighter, not just who got the best racial bonus since Zeno can do whatever"
>instead it's just more of the same

why even bother bringing anyone other than Vegeta and Goku
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>>153318480
No because he doesn't matter in the slightest look at how little he is in the OP compared to Cabba and Frost
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>>153318498
Because power levels don't matter

>>153318460
Cant wait till we find out her name
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>>153318510
How does that have anything to do with what we were discussing earlier?
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>>153315423
mein childhood
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>>153318536
Cause its all pointless discussing a character that doesn't matter
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>>153318530
>Because power levels don't matter
Then why the fuck are half of the fags here being such cunts about it?
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>>153318568
/a/ Autism in a nutshell
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>>153311407
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>>153318448
>It's not necessarily that Hit is a better character in the manga, it's just that he's not flanderized into a 1 dimensional time freezing OP character that can only be matched by an asspull.
In the manga he's a 1 dimensional generic throwaway thug that goku had to use his SSG form to beat.

>In the anime. His Timeskip is depicted by Toei as if he's literally freezing time and doing crazy shit in his frozen dimension.
Okay, that's not even fucking new. They've been depicting super speed movements as getting into a new dimension all of the time.
Hiit having a time freeze dimension means nothing.


>Not only that they have to go off script to make him a super powerful with a powerup out of nowhere, even though he is supposed to be a mysterious character that relies on his special abilities.
What script? How do they go off script?
He was always super powerful and fighting evenly with goku. Hell his entire thing is just being a better fighter with superior ki control and technique and a time stop gimmick.


>Last and most importantly, in the manga the Timeskip is completely backed up with the logical drawback that you have to exert your power level to be higher than your opponent to get the full effect of a timeskip.
If you can get more power then your opponent then why not just beat the shit out of them instead of using that technique. It's fucking useless when fighting a superior opponent or an opponent who could be more powerful then him out of nowhere.

>In the anime it's just asspull after asspull that degrades his sleek assassin persona.
What asspulls?
The guy in the page you posted is just a rando thug. Hiit in the anime is a cold aloof logical fighter who's entire thing of being a 1000 year old assassin make perfect sense.
Him simply getting better as he fought because he's actually trying for once and using better technique was cool
And him finding out that powering up like goku does nothing at all for him was also interesting.
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>>153318530
>Because power levels don't matter

Even if "power levels" aren't mentioned anymore, it's very fucking clear that they do. Even if Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, 17, 18, Gohan, Tien, Yamcha, Krillin, and Roshi all ganged up on Vegeta, they'd be fucking crushed with zero effort and it has nothing to do with just Vegeta being a good fighter.
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>>153318650
Your talking to an Autistic Manga fag fan of a literal who. He wont get your points My friend. Its not worth it
>>
Do these two actually get a conclusion, did I miss something? It seemed to end abruptly with flying away, I kinda wanted to see how it plays out in the future.
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>>153318669
> Power levels still matter to me. Their Real damn it
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Name a girl better than Launch
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>>153318696
They go to a timeline where another version of themselves live so theres 2 Trunks and 2 Mais
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>>153318696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvAjX5ACPo
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>>153318650
>What script? How do they go off script?
SSB Kaioken is not in Toriyama's plot outlines, having a character retconned to stay in line is completely reasonable and no amount of you crying is going to make him OP again.
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>>153318723
Videl
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>>153318731
Yeah. One anon weeks ago asked the question.
"Why didn't they go to perfect cells original timeline. You know the one where he killed trunks?!"
Every single person in the thread, espescially the ones who spent literal weeks arguing about all of timelines created by future trunks time machine collectively slapped their foreheads.
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>>153318696
Hopefully the manga will show them in their new timeline.
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>>153318709
Are you honestly trying to say that Vegeta wouldn't destroy all of them with ease?

Power levels are fucking retarded and don't work as simply as "person X has more power than person Y therefore person X is guaranteed to win", but saying that some characters aren't simply more powerful than others is just beyond delusional
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>>153318793
There would still be another Mai in there though. Unless she also got killed by Cell.
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>>153318749
The character outline is vague as fuck and both toyo and toei do what the fuck they want with it.
Toei simply managed to create something better.

But I digress, Hiit is shit now.
Hopefully the new characters won't be shit.
But I don't have high hopes after seeing she-broly.
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>>153318815
>Toei simply managed to create something better.
Stacking multipliers that are known to be stamina draining is better? Clearly you don't care for plot but just super OP power ups.
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>>153318804
>Power levels are fucking retarded and don't work as simply as "person X has more power than person Y therefore person X is guaranteed to win", but saying that some characters aren't simply more powerful than others is just beyond delusiona

What the fuck are you even fucking saying?
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>bringing Roshi to the universal tournament and not his cousin Jackie Chun

man Goku's really retarded isn't he?
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>>153318834
Kaioken doesn't drain fucking stamina you retard.
It is horribly fucking damaging to the body.
That's it's drawback.

Look
SSJ forms drain stamina, that's their drawback.
Kaioken FUCKS YOU UP that's it's drawback.
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>>153318804
no dumbass. Im saying It doesn't matter if Vegeta can beat the others with easy. Of course he can but it doesn't matter as everyone doesn't have to be on their level. Tournaments don't have to work that way. Your whole point is wanting to make it Goku and Vegeta time. 10 characters don't have to be on the same level. That gets boring
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>>153318723
Pan
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>>153318871
>Kaioken doesn't drain fucking stamina you retard.
Ok now I know I'm arguing with a literal retard.
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>>153318530
>power levels don't matter
>>153318709
>implying power levels don't even exist

>>153318835
I'm saying that even if it's not explicitly stated as a "power level", there is very obviously such a thing as characters who are objectively more powerful than others.
Otherwise SSJ/SSB wouldn't even fucking exist since their whole purpose is to give the character more power
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>>153318877
>Says power levels don't exist
>then says nobody is on Vegeta's level

which is it you fucking retard?
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>>153318902
this is stupid I'm done
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>>153318811
Yeah that would have worked.
Ironically enough Pilaf and the Dogman would have survived.
Cue sobbing reunion.
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>>153318884
Kaioken's stamina drain has NEVER been a fucking problem.
Kaioken FUCKING KILLING YOU OR FUCKING YOUR SHIT UP was the problem.

Go on. Show me a single instance where kaioken's stamina drain has ever been a fucking problem.

Kaioken litterally produces ki out of fucking nothing and makes your body explode with that energy.

SSJ forms allow you to increase all physical abilities and has a x50 increased ki output.
It don't produce shit. It just amplifies all ki output but draws in a larger amount of ki then normal on top of taking a large amount of ki to maintain the SSJ form.
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>>153318448

>It's not necessarily that Hit is a better character in the manga, it's just that he's not flanderized into a 1 dimensional time freezing OP character that can only be matched by an asspull

Problem with that is that in order for that not to happen we needed the asspull of SSB becoming a shitty form that magically loses 90% of its power after depowering just for a single minute, contrived as hell, though many will argue( me included) not as much as SSBKKx10

Calling hit 1 dimensional in any of the versions is outright wrong, Vados states outright there are two sides to Hit first one being "srs bzns nuthin personnel kiddo Hit" and the other being "martial artist Hit" who enjoys a good fight, those are 2 sides of the character calling him one dimensional is like calling a circle square.

Do note this doesn't necessarily translate into him being a good character.


>Last and most importantly, in the manga the Timeskip is completely backed up with the logical drawback that you have to exert your power level to be higher than your opponent to get the full effect of a timeskip.

That leaves you in a literal Raise-your-PL-higher-to-win situation though, and in both versions that's how Goku edges out hit, except in the manga's case hit is nerfed to be 10 times weaker where in the anime Goku is buffed to become 10x times stronger.


Lets get real for a second here, Toriyammer is no araki, he couldn't come with a proper way for Goku to overcome Hit without the former just powering up until he was strong enough to win, and this is reflected in both versions of the scene.

I did not find any version of the fight engaging as they involved the most basic fight tropes and the coreography didn't stand out as something particularly impressive.
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>>153318804
To explain things another way.

Power levels (as in, the number a scouter would give you) is more like their ki output. Things like flying, powering up and especially preparing to attack, would cause a higher output of ki to be detected by a scouter. Gohan and Krillin knew this, and spent a lot of the Namek arc not flying so they wouldn't be detected.

A power level isn't directly tied to the relative strength of different characters though. An android gives off no ki for characters to sense, and thus wouldn't register on a scouter, but 17 would still squash someone like Yamcha.
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>>153319097
>17 would still squash someone like Yamcha
I wouldn't be too sure about that, after all, Yamcha has defeated more Gods of Destruction than Goku has.
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>>153319097
The androids were powered by artificial ki and probably had dampeners installed. I mean they put off no ki signature what so ever. So either they were robots, dead, or gero made ki dampening devices.

Lastly, all organic beings that can do damage to people have ki. The more ki output = the more strength and ability to fuck shit up.

Ki lowering had more to do with simply controlling your ki output to the point where you were using the minimal amount.

Everyone else basically walked around with their ki hanging out, not giving a fuck.
Mainly because they didn't know how to sense or control ki in the unique way that the humans and namekians did.
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>>153318971
Call it whatever the fuck you want mate, Kaioken fucks up your body and the only reason it's compatible with SSB which is a known stamina drainer is the simple fact that Toei doesn't give a fuck.
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>we will never have an arc where someone other than Goku beats the bad guy

and no, the Zamasu/Black arc doesn't count, since Zamasu/Black won.

Then again I guess I'm kinda wrong already, since in this arc we already know Goku won't beat the villain since Goku is the villain
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Dad, I'm sorry but I have to stop you, for everyone's sake!
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>>153319382
>End of the arc is Gohan killing Goku

Fuck yes that would be incredible

Would be nice if Gohan ever acknowledged how much of a shitty parent Goku was to him
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>>153319288
No, that's fucking stupid.
Kaioken's problem has never been stamina drain. It's always been about fucking your shit up.
Always.

They don't even say that shit in the fucking anime and that is the only place where it actually happens. What ep mentioned that?
Because I just watched where goku used SSKK and he didn't even hint at stamina drain.
He outright states that it will kill him if he fucks it up, not that it will drain a lot of ki.

The fuck is up with people and inefficency when it comes to super forms in DB.
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>>153319370
Ayy Lmao will beat the villain
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>>153319483
Okay even if your "shit been fucked up" isn't an actual "stamina drain", it still shouldn't stack well with a known stamina draining transformation.
The only reason they do stack is because they made up new anime only lore that SSB is cool and calm ki.
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>>153311740
They were shitty compared to DB/Z villains, but easily better than most of the movie villains, and all of GT's.
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>>153319604
>Okay even if your "shit been fucked up" isn't an actual "stamina drain", it still shouldn't stack well with a known stamina draining transformation.
Why not?
It should stack perfectly fucking well.
Stamina has never been that much of a problem. Only ki reserves, unless that what you mean.
The REAL problem is that Kaioken creates an instantaneous exponential increase in power in the users body.
It's why goku blew up like the hulk when he first used it.
(remember the weaker you are compared to your opponent the more you have to make up for that weakness by using the ki too muscle technique to bridge the gap?)
If Goku used the Kaioken while he was SSJ1 dude would have outright fucking exploded.
He MIGHT have been able to pull it off in "perfected ssj1" form. But it would still be dangerous as fuck and not worth the risk on any level.

>The only reason they do stack is because they made up new anime only lore that SSB is cool and calm ki.
You're right. But it made sense and differentiated the god ki form from the regular ssj with mortal ki form.
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>>153319739
>Stamina has never been that much of a problem. Only ki reserves, unless that what you mean.
I think the whole "body getting fucked up" thing does make it a problem.
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>>153316594
Yeah, he picked her for Goku when Goku was still a young child, and it made sense then. Not so much when Goku is a fully grown man, with the build of 80s Schwarzenegger.
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I really wish the climax of this arc will be Ayy Lmao defeat goku and zenos and save the multvirse, like a real hero will .
As he walk away from the arena, he recall the battle and fighters he meet and fight,like this seance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XebQHddwXNA
it will be such a great bitter sweet ending.
This song just fit the feel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbi2Ygx7jwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JfE8eU7TIc
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>>153311660
Why does Trunks look like such a fuccboy in the anime?
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>>153314558
Super Saiyan PTSD
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>>153311968
>He doesn't know Frieza's backstory
His evil deeds keep the universe stable. Fucker was doing his job.
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>>153320704
Because they're doing it on the cheap, instead of taking the time and love to make it good.
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>>153314558
Super Saiyan Mai.
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>>153318723
>gine
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>>153313045
I love Champa's reaction.
>Champa: How the fuck did he survive that?
>Vados: YOURE SO FAT THAT YOUR FAT SHIELDED HIM.
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>>153316847
She lost her spunky personality immediately after Spoppovich fucked her shit up. He seemingly beat the personality out of her. Her solitary motivator after that was fawning over Gohan.
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>>153320842
>gold tail
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>>153320938
alright
i removed the tail
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>>153320938
probably was thinking of it as a call to the golden oozaru they take before ssj4
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>>153320969
>no tail
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>>153320938
Why not? All the rest of their hair turns gold.
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>>153320938
Why wouldn't it be golden?
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>>153321022
>>153321024
It's supposed to stay brown. Only the hair turns gold.
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>>153321057
Has there been a moment in the series where a saiyan with a tail goes super saiyan?
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>>153321057
Yeah but what examples do we have of this besides Bardock in his spin off?
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r34 where?
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>>153321129
Gt and the bardock special only i believe
the tail stayed brown in both cases
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>>153321129
Only non-canon stuff like the reply to you, and the one below you.
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>>153321145
Never because people are fucking gay.
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>>153321146
You sure about that?
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>>153321194
I could have sworn it was brown in GT. And I don't really wanna fact check that by watching it.
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>>153321273
>>153321273
>>153321273
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>>153321214
It turns gold.
http://ww1.gogoanime.io/dragon-ball-gt-episode-33
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>>153321194
it definitely wasn't always gold
not sure the percentage or anything like that, but it was brown sometimes
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>>153321288
real thread here:
>>153321317
>>153321317
>>153321317
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>>153321299
nice find.
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>>153321214
>>153321299
>>153321289
For some reason, Goku's tail still brown when he's a SS, but is golden when he go SS3. Inconsistent as fuck.

There's Toriyama art of a SS with tails? I mean, some from DBO or something
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>>153321288
>>153321322
uh oh, thread war
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>>153321354
It's not a thread war at all, first one is a joke.
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>>153312806
Vegeta, I guess Videl by default
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>>153319370
Cell doesnt count?
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>>153321353
Didn't he draw Broly with a tail?
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>>153315129
>All those shit tier character designs
I'll never regret not watching any of the movies. I don't want to know more about any of this trash than I already do.
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>>153312534
Well he's not wrong, Teen Gohan was the strongest variant of Gohan who actually earned his power, Gohan after the Buu Saga relied on the freebie Mystic power up he got and then managed to somehow lose that.

His peak will probably be shown in the 7 vs 9 Episode but for now his peak is still Teen Gohan as a freebie power up doesn't count as displaying prowess or talent as a fighter.
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>>153312777
>Kai actually actively fought Zamasu to stop his disgusting perversion of justice but ended up dying with sorrow in his heart and feeling pity towards Zamasu, feeling that in another world they could've been partners in justice
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