How to write a good shonen?

Step 1: Don't write shonen.

Be Mizukami.

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One Piece at a time

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Read or watch this

>>153214259
Pic not related?

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Stands or power levels OP

i need actual things to include and avoid, did you guys actually never thought about this?

>>153214810
Sad thing is you're serious

>>153215043
yes

>>153214259
It needs to have a good story and good villains. No asspulls and no timetravels.

>>153214452
Mizukami's shounen manga is his worst, though.

>>153214259
Don't do battle shounen, and don't write for a weekly magazine.

>>153216317
so what's a good story?

>Simple minded MC
>Edgy enemy who becomes best friend
>MC is the chosen one
>Wins everything with asspull/powerlevel

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>>153214259
Ask Togashi

>>153218247
he won't reply

>>153215274
I can tell you what to avoid from my perspective but that won't make a series that will sell good.

I can say avoid power creep but kids love to see new powers that dwarf previous ones.

I can tell you not to have power levels but kids like to have clear metrics to gauge a fight. Having a world where the MC isn't the strongest by default, or working his way towards that isn't as popular as having another Goku running around.

I can tell you to that a good series doesn't drag on for decades. Plan out your story in advance and at least have a goal for an ending you are working towards. But your editor might have you keep your series going long after the writing has been good because your story sells.

The thing is. Some shonen run for years and stay good. Others start to succumb to problems with writing but there isn't a straight list of what is good and what is bad. Your overall package determines what people will like and not like.

What do you like in a Shonen story and what are your ideas for the plot?

>>153218718
I am not interested what would sell for kids/ teenagers, I use word 'shonen' to exclude fucked up seinen things like rape, and not as a target audience. What I like about shonen is lack of mundane, serious, SoL driven stories, a little adventure, friendship, villains. I am aiming for plot twists and suspense specifically. Also I don't really care about powers, they may or may not exist and can't be a core/driving thing in a story, just a tool to develop characters. The length should not be really long, it can be one-three arcs, not a never ending story.

>>153219178
>I use word 'shonen' to exclude fucked up seinen things like rape, and not as a target audience.
I don't want to split hairs here but Shonen can be just as fucked up as Seinen given the right author. HxH has a character with an exposed brain being tortured before a pig butcher kills him onscreen. And how many times has Erza been raped in Fairy tail?

Aside from that you have outlined your interests. Now what is your setting and what is the central conflict? Who is your main character?

>>153214259
Name a single well written shounen manga, I'll wait.

FMA doesn't count.

>>153219644
You already named one.

>>153214259
why is jacko next to goku?

>>153219569
but anon...
fairy tail is shit

>>153219768
Jaco has a separate series

>>153219644
>FMA
>Good writing

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>>153219644

HunterxHunter

>>153220114
I baka have a feeling rape is worse than getting information out of a guy with exposed brain although it is irrelevant here. But I personally don't want to rely on these things, because they are too far on the spectrum.

Setting should preferably be anything before electricity. Main conflict currently would be between proving one's strength and keeping innocence

>>153219569
Fairy tale has like zero idntity

>>153219644
Ashita no Joe

>>153220987
Maybe. How is this relevant to the thread? Please don't make this a fanboy/hater war.

>>153220987

It has a bunch of plot and backstory though

>>153220114
>fairy tail is shit

Yes, but it's still shonen and has subject matter that OP considers to be seinen.

>>153221152
how about you give examples and at least try to be on topic, or do you just walk around and search where you can put your irrelevant opinions?

>>153219644
Fist of the North Star, One Piece, Rurouni Kenshin, Tegami Bachi. Boku no Hero Academia

>>153221300
IRRELEVANT AF

>>153221300
>Tegami Bachi
Not after that last arc anon.

>>153221377
Say it isn't so, I haven't read it in awhile, I'll catch up right now

>>153221354
>rurouni kenshin and fist of the north star
>irrelevant

Ask Togashi.

>>153221548
I mean can you guys give examples, I haven't seen these sereies, unless your advice was watch these specific shonen

>>153219644
>FMA doesn't count

Nice try retard, FMA is one of the worst examples.

>>153214259
First, define shonen.

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>>153219644
Seriously? Is this really /a/ now?

>>153221243

Lurk more newfag

>>153221787
>Shōnen, shonen, or shounen manga (少年漫画 shōnen manga?) is manga aimed at a young male audience. The age group varies with individual readers and different magazines, but it is primarily intended for boys between the ages of 8 to 18.

>>153220987
Its relevance lies in 4chan being an adult site, it just surprised me is all

>>153221822
you are right, this was just a test what's so good about this forum

cya guys, thx for the advices, don't bother anymore

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>>153215274
"Shonen" is NOT synonymous with action adventure manga

To Love-Ru is Shonen
Welcome to the NHK is Shonen
Azumanga Daioh is Shonen
Yotsubato! is Shonen

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>>153214259
Cool main character which suits the modern time.

>>153221842
This, shonen is a demographic, not a genre. Shit like Death Note is shonen.
If OP meant battle manga, Jojo is the answer. The writing is not excellent, but it's compelling enough, and sets up for it's strongest aspects, battles and characters.
There is plenty of good battle manga out there, is just that you fags need "muh deep" in every fucking thing.

>>153214259
Claymore, Soul eater, Little witch academia.

Fist of the North Star and Kinnikuman are the only good shonen.

>>153221300

BNHA is better than overrated series like Gintama, Death Note, Kill la Kill,.

>>153219644

Konjiki no Gash Bell
Karakuri Circus

>>153222398
Kill la Kill is not overrated. It's not highly appraised last time I checked

>>153214259

One Piece and Dragon Ball are pretty good examples of decent/ok shonen.

They take themselves seriously when they need to but don't most of the time.

Above all else they feel unique in setting,designs, and characters. Though One Piece has shittier fights and slightly more flaws.