Today, they shall be reminded.

>>153088067
What, that Eva makes no sense?

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>>153088067
So you're saying Asuka is more human where as Rei is a mary sue doll? Super interesting.

There isn't any of Adam in Rei, not until midway through EoE when she sucks it out of Gendo's hand and becomes the GNR and sets off Instrumentality

It's a no-brainer that she's godlike at that point, is it worth reminding us that she's superior to Asuka in that state?

>>153088573
>There isn't any of Adam in Rei

Remember Sadamoto, the designer and writer of Evangelion? He says she has 50%.

>>153088270
Nah, it's saying that Asuka is inherently inferior to Rei. If the earth was an ant hive, Rei would be a Queen while Asuka a lowly worker ant.

>>153089089
>writer
he isn't

>>153089205
He's contributed as a writer as well. In fact, many of the core ideas about Evangelion is written in by Sadamoto, including the notion that the EVA's have the soul of their mothers.

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>>153088573
Rei is godlike just as Lilith though. Doesn't need Adam, but like a Highlander she chopped off Gendo's limbs and took his power for her own.

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I think this image needs to point out that Adam is also a cosmic superbeing with untold power and potential.

>>153089574
Adam is only good for destruction though.

>>153089115
>artificially made by humans
>superior to a full-on human
Yeah, no. And that picture's wrong in multiple ways. Rei had 0 Adam DNA in her until EoE, that was a major plot point and the entire reason she was able to kickstart Instrumentality and become GNR; because she absorbed the Adam in Gendo's hand.
Second, all Lilin are equally connected to Lilith, so to portray Asuka as being removed from Lilith by several levels is retarded and misleading, she's just as much Lilin as her parents and all of her ancestors.

>>153088067
I've actually never seen that Rei drawing. Who's the artist?

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>>153089821
>Yeah, no.
Uh, yes? It even occurs in nature, and is the very basis of our existence. Offspring mutate to have beneficial changes from their parents. It's called evolution, and it's 100% manmade. Doing it in a lab is only more effective and guided.

>Rei had 0 Adam DNA in her until EoE,
I dunno, Sadamoto contradicts that. You don't have any proof either way, so I'm going with what one of the writers said. The exact genetic makeup for the characters aren't known, but this OP is accurate.

>that was a major plot point and the entire reason she was able to kickstart Instrumentality and become GNR; because she absorbed the Adam in Gendo's hand.
I dunno about that. Rei shows super-abilities prior to that point, such as manifesting the strongest AT-field ever made in ep 24.

>Second, all Lilin are equally connected to Lilith, so to portray Asuka as being removed from Lilith by several levels is retarded and misleading, she's just as much Lilin as her parents and all of her ancestors.

Wait, are you retarded? Asuka is a Lilin, so is Yui and Kyoko in that picture. But she is literally one more generation removed from Lilith than Kyoko, and that's exactly what the image shows.

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>>153088067

Oh I don't need to be reminded that Asuka is a better character but um.. thanks for the thread I guess?

why can't we just like both?

:^(

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>>153090203
Rei is a better character than Asuka though. Asuka is just a cheap copy of Kushana, unoriginal and unremarkable. Only difference is that Anno sold Asuka as a sex symbol.

>more alien than human
>good
Bradford save us.

>>153090372
>Bradford
>the guy who literally genetically engineers people and changes them into robots
>having a problem with the exact same thing

Rei is the prototypical human, not alien.

Y'all be trolling. As long as Anno won't confirm, all of this is just mere speculation.

>>153090503
Those would be Vahlen and Shen respectively.
The Prophet did no such thing.

>>153090618
It's the original canon.

>>153090638
He approved and ordered it in some cases. Anyway, does it matter? Rei is the prototypical human, the ancestor of all humans. Rei is super-human.

>>153090748
>Approved
Because his husbando ordered it.
>ordered
Pretty sure he doesn't have the authority to do so.
>does it matter?
Yes, xeno apologist.
>Rei is super-human.
So is an Avatar.

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>>153089263
He's said things that are wrong before, and even in that statement he said "it seems" like she's 50% Adam.

Which doesn't make any sense. It's obvious she isn't.

asuka is seriously so shit

I don't see the appeal

>you know what I like?
>really mean girls who are just tsun and no dere and are bitchy flippy cunts!

>>153092124
>It's obvious she isn't

Why? It's obvious that Rei has some non-human DNA in her, and is different from regular people. They were making EVA's from Adam, why do you think they didn't use a similar process for Rei?

>pic proves that Rei is a plot device and shouldn't be considered human
>thus automatically proving that Asuka is best girl
Good job, OP, Rei a shit

>>153092225
Because Rei's not an Eva, you fuckstick.
And if Rei had any Adam in her, it would have set off Third Impact right away.
>It's obvious that Rei has some non-human DNA in her
She's a clone of Yui. Deal with it.

>>153092225
EVAs were made from Lilith

Rei has a human body, carrying Lilith's soul

Angels are made from Adam. Lilith and Adam coming into contact causes an Impact. If Rei had both Lilith and Adam in her she'd be more fucked up

Rei is a clone of Yui made of particle-wave matter, thus blue hair and red eyes

>>153092278
>And if Rei had any Adam in her, it would have set off Third Impact right away.
[citation needed]

>She's a clone of Yui. Deal with it.
[citation needed]

>>153092337
>EVAs were made from Lilith
Only EVA01 was made from Lilith. EVA00, EVA02 etc... are made from Adam.

>>153092367
Nope.

>>153092225
She wouldn't look like a human if her DNA was from Adam, she'd look like an eldritch thing.

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>>153092278
>>153092337
>>153092367

>>153092428
>the 'tism of "I said so"

>>153092406
Adam is actually shaped like a human though.

>>153092381
>Only EVA01 was made from Lilith. EVA00, EVA02 etc... are made from Adam.
I'm pretty fucking certain you have that backwards

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>>153092460
No he isn't.

And every being with his DNA looks nothing like a human.

>>153092247
Asuka is the plot device, which is why Asuka's character has no conclusion unlike Rei's.

Rei acts, Asuka reacts.

>>153092278
>And if Rei had any Adam in her, it would have set off Third Impact right away.
This was implied to be nonsense in NGE. It's a far more complicated process and there is no automation to it. Se EoE.

>>153092337
>>153092367
>>153092406
Did you guys even watch the show? EVA's aren't made from Lilith, it's just one and that's the exception: EVA01.

>>153092381
>She's a clone of Yui. Deal with it.
>[citation needed]
lolwat, citation isn't necessary at all. It's made fucking obvious in the show, and in Rebuild Fuyutsuki outright states it

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>>153092521
Two arms, torso, legs... pretty humanoid if you ask me.

>>153092518
Pretty sure you need to rewatch NGE.

>>153092581
The 'tism of "I said so".

>>153092598
Many of the angels are humanoid, but still look nothing like humans.

It would be noticeable if she had Adam DNA, she doesn't.

She is 100% from Yui's DNA. The red eyes and blue hair come from her housing Lilith's soul.

>>153092629
A character in the franchise said so.
>in Rebuild Fuyutsuki outright states it

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>>153092581
You can't just make shit up anon. You need a citation.

In the original canon, Rei isn't a clone of Yui, but a mix of various things, one of which very likely includes Yui

>>153092681
>It would be noticeable if she had Adam DNA, she doesn't.
It's damned noticeable. The blue hair or red eyes didn't tip you off?

>She is 100% from Yui's DNA. The red eyes and blue hair come from her housing Lilith's soul.

Doesn't make sense. How does her soul affect h air color or eye color again? That's the domain of the physical, not the goddamned esoteric. Rei was never said to be a clone of Yui in the original or it's ending EoE, and that's a fact. Keep your fanon in your fanfictions, please.

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>>153092705
>very likely
You can't make this shit up folks.

Why are Reifags so delusional?

>>153092759
Fuyutsuki was never said to be in love with Yui, doesn't mean he wasn't. The context and scenes in the show clearly show he was through action.

Just like with Rei being a clone of Yui. Many scenes in the show wouldn't make sense if she wasn't.

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>>153092705

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>>153092681
>>153092765
>a 100% clone
>physiologically and genetically different in a multitude of ways

Pick one. Rei exhibits characteristics that aren't found in human beings, much less in Yui Ikari. They're similar but not the same, as in Gendo/Fuyutsuki took Yui's DNA, made alterations and introduced foreign DNA, creating what is essentially artificial offspring.

Some times I think Asukafags don't actually watch Evangelion and just eat up the merchandise.

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>>153092765
Poor old reifags can't accept the obvious truth kek.

Also misato is best girl, pic related.

>>153092851
>a wiki is a source

Nice try. Wikis are third party sources, and any butthurt fanfag can write whatever they want in that.

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Anyone notice how it's always this one, same Reifag defending her with the same debunked arguments in every thread?

If Rei is so popular, how come she only has one fan on /a/? I only ever see this anon talking about her and defending her like this.

What a fucking joke, no one gives a shit about Rei except this one autist.

>>153092838
There aren't any scenes which show that Rei is a clone of Yui. The show doesn't make sense if Rei is a clone of Yui either, because Rei does things and IS things Yui isn't. A clone would be completely identical.

Through showing Rei's super-human abilities, and abormal properties, the show demands that she not be a clone of Yui. This is also why Rei was never said to be a clone of Yui in the anime either, not in the glossaries that followed it as well. The only people who push the idea that Rei is a clone of Yui are butthurt and insecure shippers.

Stop being a rabid EVA-hating, Rei-hating bigot and accept it already.

>>153092993
>muh Asuka is more popular
Wow, really?

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Let me start by saying that Ayanami Rei isn’t even really a person. She’s a monstrosity made out Yui Ikari’s DNA. The connection between her and Shinji Ikari comes from Shinji being interested to her smell because it reminds him of his mother and the fact that his father is giving her positive attention instead of him. Her personality type in the original anime was a response to the love of typical emotionless and submissive anime girls, and why something like that wouldn’t work in real life. Both the manga and the movie versions replaced that with Shinji straight-up warming her up and making her more human than either her, her in-show clones, or the thousands of direct copies of her in other popular anime.

Rei is by far one of the worst girls in the show, maybe even just in anime altogether, because that was the point of the character. She’s the choice of people who want to escape from human interaction and want a pet to mold however they see fit.

>>153092765
I don't think this necessarily would make someone a Reifag

>>153092867
>They're similar but not the same, as in Gendo/Fuyutsuki took Yui's DNA, made alterations and introduced foreign DNA
[citation needed]
The show never goes into that. I think you're taking clone too literally to mean the sci-fi version of it. Just like how Dolly the sheep isn't literally the exact sheep she was cloned from, Rei isn't literally Yui, the difference is she houses Lilith's soul. Presumably some level of alteration is necessary to enable a human body to do that - again this is something the show doesn't go into - but since it's made clear that Rei is a clone of Yui, Yui's body is a starting off point. She's the base. It's more than just "there's some Yui in her"

>>153092993
No, but I've noticed that the only ones who push the idea that Rei is a clone of Yui are shippers.

>>153093129
Rei is a clone of Yui. This is a fact that has been stated many times.

Rei is a plot device, completely abandoned and used in the original and used to look cool in EoE
She's not even Rei that existed before, that one died

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>>153093115
>The show never goes into that.

Yeah, it does. It shows Rei doing non-human things, non-Yui things, just like it shows that Rei looks like Yui. You can't just ignore parts of the story because it doesn't fit you anon. Quite honestly, I think you need to change your attitude.

>The show never goes into that. I think you're taking clone too literally to mean the sci-fi version of it.

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that we should accept your "made up" version of what a clone is instead of what it actually is? No deal. You should punch yourself for even suggesting that.

It's not even necessary to consider the concept of clones regarding Rei, since it was never actually mentioned or used in Evangelion.

>but since it's made clear that Rei is a clone of Yui,
Nope. Never ever happened. Stop pushing fanwank, or show me a scene where this is said.

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>>153093203
>Rei is a clone of Yui. This is a fact that has been stated many times.
It's not a fact, and it's only ever been stated outside of NGE canon. Nice try, but delusional Asuka fans repeating it over and over doesn't make it true.

>>153089983
>Sadamoto
You mean the character designer? Unless there was an uncredited writer also named Sadamoto that worked on Eva. Want to throw a link or source around instead of saying other people have no proof while having no proof yourself?
It's pretty explicitly shown that the purpose of Rei's existence and the merging of the Adam embryo into Gendo's hand was because that's how Gendo would take control of Instrumentality. Nerv didn't even have access to Adam until Kaji delivered the embryo to Gendo in episode 8. Rei was created half a decade before that, how would it even be possible for her to have Adam DNA?
>Rei shows super-abilities prior to that point, such as manifesting the strongest AT-field
Yes, because she has Lilith's soul, what does that have to do with anything?
>one more generation removed from Lilith
Like I just said, that has no bearing whatsoever, because she's no less Lilin than her parents or ancestors, and her relation to Lilith is completely equal to that of the first humans. It's superfluous information trying to deceive people into thinking Asuka is lesser because she's somehow farther from Lilith than other people.

>>153093129
You're in a thread people who are also claiming the opposite, that Reifags are trying to make a case that Rei isn't a clone of Yui, presumably because the go-to Asukafag argument against ShinjixRei shipping is "ew she's literally his mother, and a toilet"

Can't you see that both arguments being made shows that people can be arguing this not only from a position of trying to justify a ship?

>>153088067
Rei
REIncarnation

Mind blown

>>153093290
>You mean the character designer? Unless there was an uncredited writer also named Sadamoto that worked on Eva.
Sadamoto is both a character designer and a writer.

Learn2Eva.

>>153093347
>Can't you see that both arguments being made shows that people can be arguing this not only from a position of trying to justify a ship?

No, because the argument wouldn't exist in the first place if not for shipper Asukafags. Saying that Rei is a clone of Yui is objectively false, and it's Asukafans lying about Rei to justify their broken ship. It's how it's always been, really.

>>153093365
Once again, back your crackpot ideas up with proof instead of blowing hot air out your nose.

>>153093248
Why are you samefagging?

>>153093290
This.

>>153093414
That's my line. You are pushing crackpot ideas which is denied by people who actually worked on the show. Then you try to discredit them.

>>153093526
>denied by people who actually worked on the show
when and where did this happen?

>>153093248
>It's not even necessary to consider the concept of clones regarding Rei
They have a tank full of Reis

That doesn't suggest that she's a clone to you? What is this nonsense?

And when I said "they don't go into that", I was referring to the exact biological make-up of Rei, they don't go into the process of making her, just suddenly there she is. The show goes into no detail about it, so you can't argue for any of it, all you can argue for are the things the show alludes to, which are:
>there's something of Lillith in her (it's her soul)
>hey that girl reminds me a lot of Yui (because she's cloned from Yui, explicitly stated by Fuyutsuki in Rebuild)

She can be a clone of Yui and not BE Yui, as I said you're taking the notion of clone to mean the simple way it's often depicted in sci-fi. She's not like a transporter-accident clone in Star Trek. Just by being born and growing up with a different life makes her a different person, and having Lilith's soul in her adds to that even more, but that doesn't make her not a clone.

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>>153093290
>You mean the character designer?
Sadamoto was also part of the writers team, and did more than just design. Read up on who made Evangelion and who contributed what.

>It's pretty explicitly shown that the purpose of Rei's existence and the merging of the Adam embryo into Gendo's hand was because that's how Gendo would take control of Instrumentality. Nerv didn't even have access to Adam until Kaji delivered the embryo to Gendo in episode 8. Rei was created half a decade before that, how would it even be possible for her to have Adam DNA?

Excuse me, but you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult now. You do realize they have EVA00, right? An EVA made from Adam? BOOM, there goes your entire argument.

See, that's the problem with you asinine Rei-haters. You don't even like Evangelion, you just want to argue your fucking pet theories. That's why you make such enormous, bullshit mistakes.

>>153093459
What. Are Asukafags really this retarded?

>>153093405
But as I said, Rei being a clone of Yui is the go-to argument of Asukafags and has been for years, because being attracted to your mom is considered inherently wrong. Your idea that Asukafags would argue against her being a clone makes no sense to me at all

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>>153093633
>They have a tank full of Reis
>That doesn't suggest that she's a clone to you?

The devil is in the details, my boy. We are discussing the fact that Rei is not a clone of Yui. But it is without doubt that there does appear to be Rei clones. That's why we call them "Rei clones", not "Yui clones". It's why it's Rei I, II and III and not Yui II, III and IV.

It's just simple logic, so simple to get unless you live and breathe for hating on a blue-haired fictional character. Don't you get that basically all problems in this fanbase when it comes to waifu wars boils down to your lack of respect for the story?

>And when I said "they don't go into that", I was referring to the exact biological make-up of Rei,

In other words, there is no reason for you to claim that Rei is a clone of Yui. The original anime does not support your proposition.

>She can be a clone of Yui and not BE Yui, as I said you're taking the notion of clone to mean the simple way it
This is a strawman argument, I never proposed that Rei being a clone of Yui meant she WAS Yui.

The facts remain that by process of elimination, we can factually conclude that Rei is not a clone of Yui. We can conclude however, that Rei is in part based on Yui.

>>153093746
>But as I said, Rei being a clone of Yui is the go-to argument of Asukafags and has been for years, because being attracted to your mom is considered inherently wrong. Your idea that Asukafags would argue against her being a clone makes no sense to me at all

That's not my idea. I'm saying that despite the fact that Rei isn't a clone of Yui, Asuka fans push the idea at every turn. They lie about a character like Rei and go as far as to editing wikis so they can push their shipping agenda.

Lol this fan base is shit
Kill yourselves

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Let's analyse this scene:
>Shinji realises someone's on the bed
>he looks up and sees Asuka, blushes furiously amazed by her beauty,
>his SDAT plays the song fast, implying Shinji's heart is racing right now
>he decides to kiss her, his pupils are big, sparkly, reflecting Asuka's face
Unfortunately Asuka turns him off, but this scene shows Shinji's genuine romantic and sexual attraction to her
Kaworufags BTFO

>>153093839
>The devil is in the details, my boy.
If the devil is in the details, maybe you should apply that idea to the things you say?
>It's not even necessary to consider the concept of clones regarding Rei
>But it is without doubt that there does appear to be Rei clones.

I'm staggered you would include the line "It's just simple logic" in anything you post.

>Rei is not a clone of Yui.
>We can conclude however, that Rei is in part based on Yui.
I want to let you know I actually just physically facepalmed.

Unless Rei is literally made of of Yui's reanimated corpse, which we know she isn't, especially since there's more than one of her, then we know that whatever material of Yui is in her was cloned. That material is a clone of Yui, and it's in Rei. The show makes that clear. It doesn't say how much of it is a clone of Yui, but if gives us no reason to conclude anything other than that it's most of her
>multiple characters state she reminds them of Yui
>Fuyutsuki literally states she a clone of Yui in Rebuild
>Rei houses Lilith's soul - what alterations to her biological make up are necessary to allow that, the show does not go into
therefore we can naturally conclude she is a clone of Yui. Not just some, but most of her, the only part that needs to be different is whatever part contains the soul, which the show doesn't go into but gives us no reason to think than a minority of her is biologically identical to Yui. There is nothing you have to base your argument on that only a small part of her is Yui (a part so small to negate her classification as a clone). There are no details for you to find your devil in.

>>153094421
This. Reifags are delusional

>>153094421
>>153094542
> maybe you should apply that idea to the things you say?
I do. Here's the logic that explains your fake indignation:
We are discussing Rei as a potential clone of Yui. Therefore, the sentence that you quoted refers to that topic, our ongoing topic. It's called context. It is simple stuff indeed. I made it even simpler for you by clarifying that the Rei-clones would be a different subject.

> I actually just physically facepalmed.
Only because you're retarded. What you wrote here:
>Unless Rei is literally made of of Yui's reanimated corpse, which we know she isn't, especially since there's more than one of her, then we know that whatever material of Yui is in her was cloned. makes that clear. It doesn't say how much of it is a clone of Yui, but if gives us no reason to conclude anything other than that it's most of her

is bullshit.Why do you keep writing things that are unilaterally untrue and false? It doesn't help you because everyone knows you're full of shit. Let me explain:

A clone is a genetically identical organism to another. This means, 100% identical genetically. It means that the appearance and physiological factors between the organisms will be effectively indistinguishable. They will have the same growth given similar living conditions, and they will look the same. Their eye color, hair color, facial features and more will match each other perfectly.

Now, Rei Ayanami differs from Yui in more than one way. She has different features, she has a non-human hair color, she has non-human eye colors, and to boot, she has non-human abilities including AT-field generation, regeneration, the ability to not bleed in certain conditions, and more. Rei even grows faster than Yui, being grown to the age of 14 years despite only nine to eleven years having passed.

This can not be a clone. This is why NGE never said Rei was a clone of Yui. Why you keep calling Rei a clone of Yui is your own problem. I think you should apologize.

>>153094542
Just to make this clear, I could probably be considered a Reifag (I find Asuka fucking insufferable), I'm arguing that Rei's a clone of Yui because the show makes that abundantly clear.

As I said, I don't understand why arguing she isn't a clone would make you a Reifag, that seems counter-intuitive to me It only makes sense that you would see it that way if you were an Asukafag who sees anyone arguing that Rei isn't a clone as a Reifag who wants to shield themselves from accusations of supporting Shinji having an Oedipus complex

Just ignore your shipper bias and see it for what it is, that anyone who argues Rei is not a clone of Yui is a retard, no need to look deeper into it.

>>153093653
You're samefagging. You've used that exact same picture before.

Reifags are so digusting they have to falseflag as Misatofags.

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>>153094892
No, you're just fucking retarded anon. Here, have a picture of Kaworu. Am I a kaworufag now?

>>153094421
>>153094542
>>153094724
But just for good measure:

>Character A reminds me of character B
>A lot of other people also think this
>This means Character A is a clone of character B

Really? This isn't what a clone is at all. A clone would be an actual, identical copy. If we had Rei Ayanami as a normal human with brown hair as a nine year old child, then we'd have a clone of Yui.

>>153094851
No you're not. Finding Asuka to be insufferable is just normal, it doesn't make you a Reifag at all. The show absolutely disproves the fanboy theory that Rei is a clone of Yui. It is literally impossible given what the show presents us, and the only one who claims otherwise are shippers who hate on Rei.

So far I have PROVED ABSOLUTELY that Rei is not a clone of Yui. Yet you're still pushing it, which just shows how much this Rei-hatred makes part of your identity as an EVA-fan. Because if Rei was a clone of Yui, you'd be able to prove it. But as it stands, many things in the story prove you wrong.

So yeah, I think you need to apolgoize.

>>153094933
No, you're still the same digusting Reifag falseflagging as a Kaworufag now.

Kill yourself and stop samefagging.

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>>153094724
Did you know in China they clone pets now. They use CRISPR to make it so their claws are fluorescent, so they can be identified as a clone. This small alteration means they are not identical to the original. Does that make them not clones?

Literally everyone would and in fact do consider them clones. Just stop posting, you're retarded.

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>>153094892
>>153095100
Ah, yes. Obviously posting an image of a character means you're that characters's #1 fan. Am I a Asukafag now?

>>153095119
Nope, still the same falseflagging Reifag.

Stop samefagging. Rei is a Yui clone.

>>153095101
Actually, that alteration DOES mean they aren't clones. No scientist or even other people consider them clones either.

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>>153095101
Way to blow your entire argument. Those aren't clones, they are GMO's and we've been making them for decades already.

>>153095176
Then why is the new factory they're building called the "Tianjin Animal Cloning Center"? I wonder...

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Superior to Rei in every way.

ITT: Educating a batch of indoctrinated Asuka/Kaworu shippers

http://education.seattlepi.com/difference-between-cloning-genetic-engineering-4545.html

I think Evageeks is to blame for this enormous hole in knowledge about things that are about to be common to every day life (it already is in food consumption). With that fake wiki-article, all it does is push shipper agenda.

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>>153095262
Because they clone animals?

I mean, do you just look at the word clone, then proceed to ignore all the facts and just use it to push your broken anime ship? Oh wait, yes, that's what you do.

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>>153095159
Am I a Shinjifag now?

>>153095445
Nope, still the same falseflagging Reifag.

Stop samefagging. Rei is a Yui clone.

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>>153095473
You do get the point that posting pictures of characters doesn't mean they're samefagging, right?

Is this: >>153095326
a Yuifag?
is this: >>153095101
a dogfag?

>>153095331
The only impossible ship is kawoshin because Shinji is straight

>17 posters
>100 replies
OP is working overtime with this shitpost thread

>>153095964
Fuck Reifags, honestly.

>>153094724
>>153095331

Discussion: ended.

Why have Asuka fans and other shippers let this lie get pushed for so long?

>>153095331
This says nothing that negates the notion that Rei is a clone.

Rei isn't identical to Yui, but she's stated to be a clone. It's never stated that she isn't genetically identical. No real details are given on Rei's creation, so we don't know when or how the differences that are evident were introduced.

This argument is like saying if you clone a rabbit, and then blast the clone with radiation, it's no longer a clone because it's no longer the same.

It's like saying that in a week's time, I will no longer be me because I've experienced an extra week and my neurons have altered accordingly.

This is semantics of the highest order that I don't think are even applicable. That me in a week is still going to be me. That rabbit that was cloned and then altered is still a clone.

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>>153096664
>This says nothing that negates the notion that Rei is a clone.

Red herring, the discussion is not about whether or not Rei is a clone, but whether or not she is a clone of Yui SPECIFICALLY. Nice try at a dishonest redirection, but you obviously fail. Care to try again?

>>153096760
There's no implication that she's a clone of anyone else, only that she's a clone of Yui, which is explicitly stated in Rebuild.

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>>153096884
Another red herring - Rei was never stated or shown to be a clone of Yui in NGE, this remains a fact. As the series shows, it's impossible for Rei to be a clone of Yui.
Read >>153095331
again, then try again.

>Rebuild
Picking non canon? Convenient.

>>153097069
So you're just arguing semantics? Everyone very well understands what is meant when someone says Rei is a clone of Yui, obviously she's not an exact clone because Lilith's DNA is mixed in, but to make this big of a deal of it just because "Rei's not a clone of Yui, she's a genetically engineer human taking the form of Yui by using Yui's DNA in the creation process." Plus that's a mouthful.
Does splitting this hair really make a difference to you? Because it doesn't make a difference to anyone else, and it certainly doesn't change anyone's arguments just by forcing different terminology.

>>153097403
He's a Reifag who can't stand the fact that she is a clone of Yui because it doesn't make her "her own person", and this enrages him.

He can't stand the canon, only his fantasy version of Rei.

>>153097069
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting, you know. If you think you're fooling me, you're not.

My point here is that this weak circular argument is not worth you continuing. Are you really successful in your efforts if your argument can't carry its own logic?

>Rei is stated to be a clone
check
>Rei reminds multiple people of Yui
check
>Rei reminds multiple people of anyone else
nope
>Rei is exactly like Yui
nope
>Does this mean Rei is not a clone of Yui?
nope, alterations can occur after the fact
>So Rei is a clone of Yui?
yes
>When is this stated
It's inferred extremely heavily in the show, to the point anone with more than one brain cell can figure it out
and then stated explicitly in Rebuild, a continuation of the franchise made by all the same people

None of this builds a case for Rei not being a clone of Yui in the original show, all you have is the notion that she cloud not be. Good luck proving that negative.

>>153097510
If you have a twin you're still your own person. Being a clone doesn't stop you from being you. That's only something to consider if you're the sci-fi Star rek transporter accident sort of clone, which Rei is not.

>>153097658
Then why are you so bothered by the use of the word "clone"?

>>153097403
It's not semantics. It's different things. It's like calling blue a red color, or vice versa.

>Everyone very well understands
No, only you shippers think that. The question is not why the rest of the fans make a big deal out of Rei not being a clone of Yui, the question is why do you make a big deal out of why Rei IS a clone of Yui? Despite the facts being shown?
If it is really just "splitting hairs", why do you care so much?

Say it with me: Rei is not a clone of Yui.


>>153097564
Let's review:

>Rei is stated to be a clone
>check
Nope, you lied. Never mentioned.

>Rei reminds multiple people of Yui
>check
True.

>Rei reminds multiple people of anyone else
>nope
That doesn't make sense, is it the same as the previous point?
>Rei is exactly like Yui
>nope

True.

>Does this mean Rei is not a clone of Yui?
>nope, alterations can occur after the fact

Yes, it means. Alterations like these cannot occur after the fact, and even if they did would mean alteration to the point where she is no longer a clone.

>So Rei is a clone of Yui?
>yes

Nope.

>When is this stated
>It's inferred extremely heavily in the show,

Wrong again, it is extremely clear and inferrable that while similar to Yui, she is not a clone because she has a different genetic makeup, and exhibits abilities and physological traits that Yui (or humans in general) cannot have without heavy modification.
This is why NGE never says she is a clone, and it is why Sadamoto says Rei is 50% Yui and 50% Adam.

This builds and absolute case for the truth: Rei is not a clone of Yui.

>>153097699
I'm not, I'm the one arguing that Rei is a clone.

I'm just saying that anyone arguing that Rei being a clone means "she's not her own person" is an idiot, and it shouldn't influence the arguments they are compelled to make in defense of any shipping they my want to engage in.

>>153088067
Rei the toilet.

>>153097799
>I'm just saying that anyone arguing that Rei being a clone means "she's not her own person" is an idiot, and it shouldn't influence the arguments they are compelled to make in defense of any shipping they my want to engage in.

Not that guy, but nobody disagrees except people who hate Rei, and those are the exact people that want to push the idea that she is a clone of Yui to begin with. Let me tell you something: Why don't you accept the canon rather your own pet theories about it? Why go with "well, I think everyone understands" instead of what was actually shown in the show?

Let's get this straight:

Rei clones are clones. That's why they are Rei clones, they are named Rei I, II and III.
Rei is not a clone of Yui, that's why "Rei" isn't Yui I, II or III. There was a point in the script where this was considered, as she was "Yui Ichijou", but this was dropped for the canon Rei Ayanami. So this shows that they DID play with the idea, but because they aren't idiots they chose to make Rei something different instead.

>>153098405
Rei is my all-time waifu, and I acknowledge that she's a clone of Yui, why would that be a bad thing that Rei haters would be pushing for a smear campaign?
She's an exact genetic copy of Yui at a younger age, what's wrong with that? People who can't accept certain facts about their waifus aren't any true waifufags.

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>>153090353
why is nausicaa so best?

>we will never have a nausicaa anime series

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>>153098538
>Rei is my all-time waifu,
>I acknowledge that she's a clone of Yui,

Choose one.
Rei is not an exact genetic copy, as the numerous physical differences between them show. Different hair color, eye color, aging speed, ability to not bleed and regenerate, and to generate massive AT-fields.

Nice attempt at falseflagging though.

>>153097791
>That doesn't make sense, is it the same as the previous point?
It's not.
The show infers Rei is a clone of Yui.
It does not infer the possibility of her being a clone of anyone else. So if we were told she is a clone of someone, the natural conclusion is "Rei is a clone of Yui", which is confirmed in Rebuild, which is made by the same people. They have no reason to change what the circumstances of Rei's creation were from original show, so we can conclude that what the show heavily suggested, the conclusion we all here except you came to, has been confirmed for us, that Rei is a clone of Yui.

It's possible to be an inexact clone, just as the Chinese cloned pets are clones with florescent claws.

And on top of that, since the show gives us no detail on Rei's construction, we don't know that the change to her hair and eyes are the result of a difference in genetic make-up, there's all manner of other sci-fi things that could induce something like that. We can assume something must be different about Rei for her to be able to host Lilith's soul - the show doesn't go into it so we don't know what that entails.

We can assume giving her this capacity is what changed her hair and eye colour. We can't assume for certain anything about its nature.

So there is an argument for Rei being a clone, being a clone of Yui, and being altered in some way to carry the soul of an extraterrestrial god.

There is no solid argument for her not being a clone, not being a clone of Yui, having been genetically modified, or that any changes to her, genetic or otherwise, negate her status as a clone.

Everyone naturally comes to the conclusion Rei is a clone of Yui. Rebuild confirms that.

You can claim Rebuild's confirmation doesn't count because it's a different thing. That's your own consideration, but not evidence for your argument.

You can claim an altered clone is no longer technically a clone. That's your own consideration, but not evidence for your argument.

>>153098917
>The show infers Rei is a clone of Yui.

No, it doesn't and no matter how much you keep saying it, it won't be true. You have to prove that the following doesn't exist in order to make that claim:

>Rei's different hair color
>Rei's different eye color
>Rei's ability to generate strong AT-fields
>Rei's ability to not bleed as seen in EoE
>Rei's ability to regenerate limbs or shapeshift as seen in EoE
>Rei's accelerated growth, only nine years pass but she's grown to 14

and since you can't, since these are canonical and irremovable facts of the Evangelion canon, you are going to have to drop the shipper agenda and admit that you were wrong. You should even go around apologizing for spreading lies.

>>153098757
>ability to not bleed and regenerate
When did that happen? We first meet Rei crippled and being wheeled around in a hospital bed, what are you talking about? Everything else is literally Lilith's soul having an effect on the body, I can't comprehend why you have a problem with Rei being a clone of Yui, especially with how important that fact is to the overall story of Eva itself.

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>>153099111
>When did that happen?

This scene. Notice her arm is literally missing, and there's no blood.

>Everything else is literally Lilith's soul having an effect on the body,
Fanwank. I'm sorry but you can't just fanwank that souls affect the body like that when there is zero precedent for it in the entire canon. Not only that, the more likely and occams razor friendly is simply accepting the facts: That Rei is not a clone of Yui.

>>153099051
>No, it doesn't and no matter how much you keep saying it, it won't be true
Maybe you should look up what "infer" means in the dictionary, because it doesn't mean "hard evidence"

Actually I should look it up to, because of course mean imply. The show implies. The viewer infers. We all assume. We all come to a conclusion. This can all happen without the show outright stating, which they then went and did anyway in Rebuild, a continuation of the franchise made by all the same people.

As I said earlier, this shitposting is too weak to justify you continuing to make these poorly thought out circular arguments.

>>153099111
by bleed he means menstruate

>>153099341
Nigga are you serious, that's her body decomposing as her AT field fades away, Gendo's even saying on that exact frame "We're running out of time, your AT field won't hold it's shape much longer." I'm no medical science major but decomposing bodies probably don't spurt blood. It's not like her arm was violently cut off. And I still see no regeneration happening, unless you're referring to later in the movie when she merges with Adam's body and literally becomes god, which has nothing to do with her being different from Yui, and everything to do with the, y'know, ascension to a higher level of existence.

>there is zero precedent for it in the entire canon
I'm starting to think you didn't even watch Eva

>>153099341
>Fanwank. I'm sorry but you can't just fanwank that souls affect the body like that
The idea that Rei's differences in appearance definitely come from being genetically modified, and that she's genetically modified meaning she can no longer be considered a clone is just as much fanwank on your part. The show never says that. How do you not understand that your argument is so poor? The details of Rei's creation are not something the show gives us.

Rei being a clone of Yui is something the show heavily implies, a conclusion all of us except you come to, and is then confirmed for us in Rebuild. None of this helps bolster your argument in your attempts to prove a negative.

Give it up already.

>>153099355
>Maybe you should look up what "infer" means in the dictionary, because it doesn't mean "hard evidence"

Maybe you should watch Evangelion, and you'll see that it doesn't imply that Rei is a clone of Yui. With facts like these: >>153099051
it infers that she is NOT a clone of Yui.

You still have to deal with those facts before you can say it implies that Rei is a clone of Yui. If you can't, then you have to accept you're wrong.

>>153099737
>The idea that Rei's differences in appearance definitely come from being genetically modified, and that she's genetically modified meaning she can no longer be considered a clone is just as much fanwank on your part.
No, those are the facts.

>Rei being a clone of Yui is something the show heavily implies
Objectively wrong.

>Rei's different hair color
>Rei's different eye color
>Rei's ability to generate strong AT-fields
>Rei's ability to not bleed as seen in EoE
>Rei's ability to regenerate limbs or shapeshift as seen in EoE
>Rei's accelerated growth, only nine years pass but she's grown to 14

all refute this implication, and implies that Rei is not a clone of Yui. I have the facts and canon on my side, you have nothing but unending hatred for Rei. Give it up, you'll feel better.

>>153099727
> I'm no medical science major but decomposing bodies probably don't spurt blood.
They do spurt blood if arteries are severed. You don't need to be a medical major to know that.

As you can see here: >>153099341
several of Rei's arteries are severed, and she should be bleeding like hell.

I'm starting to think you just hate Rei.

>>153099737
>>153099727
>>153099355
see >>153095331

http://www.eschooltoday.com/gmo/genetic-engineering-and-cloning.html

basics for the less intelligent, such as yourselves.

>This introduces new genes into an organism. That means the recipient organism’s genes are now different from its parents genes (or from its original genes). When that new organism has offsprings, they are NOT clones. They are offsprings that will carry the new genes that were introduced to the parent. The new offsprings will also pass on that gene to new generations of offsprings. The entire line of generations, from the originally modified organism will all be called GM animals.

>Cloning is very different. To clone something means to duplicate (or make an exact copy of something). Genetically, cloning is the creation of an exact copy of an organism. This means that the DNA or genes of the cloned organism is the same as the original.
>For example, a scientist can a take female egg cell of a pig and fertilise it with a male sperm cell of a pig. At the fetilised-egg (zygote) stage, he can duplicate the zygote into 5 or 6 zygotes and place them into different female pigs to carry until they are born. All 6 of the piglets will have the same DNA even though they were birthed by different mothers. All 6 piglets can be called clones.

>>153099838
>>153099884
These arguments are not evidence for our like or a dislike of Rei. Personally I like Rei the most. I don't see why accepting that she's a clone of Yui should tar my opinion of her.

Maybe you've said this in both these posts because your circular argument not making any ground is starting to frustrate you and you want to change the direction this thread is taking because your shitposting is becoming fruitless. We have too much evidence to question our own conclusions, meanwhile your attempts to prove a negative have nothing more to go on. Shitposting in a different direction is not constructive, it doesn't help your case. Why not do something else with your day?

>>153100168
>These arguments are not evidence for our like or a dislike of Rei. Personally I like Rei the most. I don't see why accepting that she's a clone of Yui should tar my opinion of her.

They are, because only Rei-haters push the idea that Rei is a clone. It's that simple. The arguments aren't circular either, you are just butthurt that you're being called out on your lies. I have posted the last, on-topic and fruitful arguments in this thread, and they are here:
>>153099838
>>153099838

which you have admitted defeat against.

Say it with me: The show proves through process elimination that Rei is not a clone of Yui.

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>>153100168
>YEAH, I'M GOING TO SAY THE EXACT SAME THINGS THAT SHIPPER-ASUKAFANS WHO HATE REI SAY ABOUT REI
>BUT IM TOTALLY A REI FAN GUYS, THIS IS AN ANONYMOUS PLACE TRUST ME ON MY WORD, BY THE WAY REI IS A CLONE OF YUI GUYSE

No one buys that.

>>153092539
That's not what a plot device is, are you the guy from the last thread?

>>153101055
Foil/Plot device.

I'm pretty sure we had this same thread yesterday and there was one faggot who couldn't wrap his head around how easy it is to infer that Rei is a clone of Yui.

>>153100082
>When that new organism has offsprings, they are NOT clones.
This line is about a GM pig having babies. That article says nothing about a cloned pig being also genetically modified meaning it is no longer considered a clone, it's talking about one or the other. The same goes for the other article you linked to. These articles are for laymen who aren't even clear about what "clone" or "GM" mean. It is not technically robust enough to back up this repeated argument you keep making.

On the other hand, if you look at articles about cloned animals that have a gene introduced to give them fluorescent claws or skin, they are still referred to as clones throughout the literature. Even Dolly the sheep was 99.9% genetically identical, the chromosomes were slightly different, they had stunted telomeres which caused scientists to question Dolly's genetic age, especially when she expressed Arthritis at four years old, a clear difference from the original sheep - yet she was still considered a clone.

>>153100399
>which you have admitted defeat against.
No, you've inferred it. Going by your own retarded values in the rest of this thread, you would need me to explicitly state I admit defeat for you to know I have admitted defeat, and that hasn't happened.

>>153101284
N-no bruh, she i-isn't bruh.

>>153100848
Just because someone doesn't like Rei doesn't mean they're an Asukafag. Misatofags and Kaworufags aren't fans of her either.

And seriously, how can you deny Rei is a clone of Yui? Their character designs are practically identical

>>153101332
>This line is about a GM pig having babies
No, it's an example.

>For example, a scientist can a take female egg cell of a pig and fertilise it with a male sperm cell of a pig. At the fetilised-egg (zygote) stage, he can duplicate the zygote into 5 or 6 zygotes and place them into different female pigs to carry until they are born. All 6 of the piglets will have the same DNA even though they were birthed by different mothers. All 6 piglets can be called clones.

This is one method of creating clones, with surrogate mothers. Another yet-to-be-made method (I believe) is through an artificial womb, much like the cliched "glass vats" clones are often seen in. The method you refer to, is one method of creating GMO's.

Read the other article, and google for info. Have a wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism

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>turbo-autist gets triggered by people using the word "clone"

Fine, lets just say Rei is genetically "identical" to Yui, just as I'm genetically identical to my mother and father in so far as I'm not an exact clone of them but I still have characteristics that are extremely similar to their's.

>>153101116
No they're not the same, that's like calling Julia in 1984 a plot device for that reason.

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>>153101447
Nice try, but I see you Asukafag.

>>153101332
>>153101284
>>153101372
>>153101554
Right, how about not acting like butthurt children because you were wrong about Rei and Evangelion for once? At this point you should have accepted that you don't have any arguments. Are your ships so weak that you NEED this to be true?

>>153101642
Nobody is wrong here because all we are arguing over is semantics.

Op I know you feel the need to defend Rei with an autistic determination, but she is acknowledged to be partially a clone of Yui, which from your OP image is at least 50%, I don't know your motivations for going this far to defend yourself this far, but I f you were doing it to justify a ReiShin ship, which I don't care about either way, than it would still be fucked up because she has half of Yui's genes, essentially making her a half sister to Shinji.

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>>153101554
More like
>turbo-autistical rei-haters throw a massive fit about people pointing out that

These people get butthurt about the literal, scientific definition of clone even. They (You, lol) are actually made because reality doesn't fit with your ridiculous fanfiction. Why don't you just try killing yourself like Asuka did?

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>>153101691
>semantics
That's what people who don't have any arguments left say.

>>153101725
There's no such thing as a "Partial clone", shippfag.

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>>153101554
And if Shinji fucked her it'd produce some horrific abortion of a inbred half-human monster.

>>153101519
Yes, I know that, I know what a clone is, I know what GM is, and which part of the article is talking about clones and which part of the article is talking about GM.

I assumed that the line where it says "When that new organism has offsprings, they are NOT clones" must be what's stupidly being given as evidence in this article for the case that Rei isn't a clone, because otherwise I don't see how the article is useful for the argument.

Nothing in the article is evidence for it, it discusses GM and clones wholly separately, and only mentions clones in the GM part to ensure the total layman doesn't have his terminology mixed up. The other article is the same.

Meanwhile, the pets with genetic alterations to leave a marker signifying that they are clones, or even also pigs that are being cloned and modified for human organ transplants, they're all referred to as clones. They're both cloned and genetically modified and that doesn't change their status as clones.

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>>153101725
Rei is never acknowledge to be a partial clone of Yui. That doesn't even make sense. You're 50% of each of your parents, doesn't mean you're a clone of your dad or mother.

>ut I f you were doing it to justify a ReiShin ship, which I don't care about either way, than it would still be fucked up because she has half of Yui's genes

Bullshit, that's all you care about. If you didn't care, then you'd have no problem admitting that canonically, Rei is not a clone of Yui.

>>153088067
>TFW you realise reifags actually exist

>>153101934
>>153102047
>autism intensifies
Does it really matter? She's at least 50%, that's grounds enough for Shinji to desire a non romantic relationship. Hell, Shinji would probably even seek Misato over Rei, are you happy now?

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>>153102000
You assumed wrong then. Since the articles were too hard to understand for you, let me explain:

>Clones
We take a cat. We take it's DNA, and fertilize an egg with it. We alter nothing. This produces a clone of the original cat. Repeating this process produces more clones.

Therefore, the cats are clones of an original cat. This is what you Asuka fans and Rei-haters are proposing when saying that Rei is a clone of Yui. It is wrong.

>GMOS
We take a cat. We take it's DNA, and alter it. Heavily or lightly, it does not matter, any alteration is made. This does not produce a clone of the original cat. It produces artificial offspring, defined as a "Genetically Modified Organism." At this point, we do not have a clone. However, if we repeat this process with the exact same DNA, we produce clones - but not of the original. But of the GMO.

This is what canonically happened in NGE, as it also happens in real life from which Rei is based on.

Have a venn diagram that explains it to you.

>>153102234
No one cares except you, faggot. That's the point, you lie about a character to protect a fucking ship. Your'e disgusting and everything Evangelion warns about .

>>153102047
But canonically Rei IS a clone of Yui, it's outright stated in Rebuild, and in the face of there being no evidence against that in the show's original run, we must assume that was always the case back in 1995.

A lack of definitive statements for is not definitive evidence against. And then a definitive statement for came along anyway. There is no case for Rei not being a clone of Yui, only your steadfast belief that her having blue hair, red eyes, and not the exact same personality means she isn't a clone - and yet neither of these are proof. Genetically identical twins can have different personalities. Cloned animals can be genetically altered and will still be referred to a clones.

>>153102234
I don't think that's the point here. We have shippers who hate Rei for no good reason claiming that Rei is a clone of Yui, despite the fact that it isn't true. They only look at it from the angle of shipping. They go as far as to misrepresent and dismiss characters with non-canonical nonsense, and that's the problem.

>>153102498
>But canonically Rei IS a clone of Yui, it's outright stated in Rebuild
Going to stop you there. The Rebuilds aren't canon to NGE, and contain plenty of rewrites.

See >>153099838
for a list of a canonical facts that make it completely impossible for Rei to be a clone of Yui. All of these are irrefutable facts. The question has long ceased to be whether or not Rei is a clone. The show never called Rei a clone, it never implied Rei was a clone, but yet you claim she is.

Why do you do this despite having no evidence?

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>>153102361
>From that venn diagram:

Cloning Yui produces a clone that's similar.
Altering the DNA of said clone produces a GMO.
Altering the DNA of Yui produces a GMO in itself as well.
Taking Yui's DNA, altering it and THEN producing a new child would also produce a GMO.

It's really simply to understand. Rei isn't a clone of Yui because she's been altered genetically.

>>153102361
Keep it coming, I care for the ship? What lengths will you go to OP, or fellow Reifag asperger knight, to defend your desired ship, to prove wrong those mean Asukafags on /a/. I'm the cancer of the Evangelion fanbase? Nigger, I am stating facts here, if that upsets you so much than gosh, sorry man! Where did I lie? I don't lie to people on anonymous image boards, I'm fine accepting Rei isn't a clone of Yui, if you gave evidence for it, but there is a lot of evidence otherwise, who am I to choose? I don't hate Rei, I don't hate any character, but I do hate you. Next time you make accusations about other peoples character, back them up with evidence first.

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There sure is a lot of delesional reifaggotry in this thread kek.

>>153102910
> I'm the cancer of the Evangelion fanbase? Nigger, I am stating facts here,

Sadly you're not. You can't even admit to your horrid behavior anonymously. Sad!

>>153102579
There would be nothing wrong with Rei being a clone of Yui, it wouldn't harm her the nature of her character. But ok dude, keep proving them wrong for me.

>>153102361
>This is what canonically happened in NGE
That didn't canonically happen because there is never any canon mention of canonically needing Yui's canon unfertilized eggs to create Rei.

>>153102864
Maybe look at the Venn diagam again? The pinkish part between "Modified DNA" and "Duplicated DNA" in the Venn diagram is what Rei is.

Note that the Venn diagram has labeled that part "clones" (and also "GMO").

It hasn't labeled it "not clones", nor has it not labeled it "clones"

>>153102978
>There would be nothing wrong with Rei being a clone of Yui, it wouldn't harm her the nature of her character. But ok dude, keep proving them wrong for me.

There is something wrong with it yeah, because then the series becomes a lot worse since the differences between them can no longer be explained. It becomes even sloppier as science fiction as the realism goes into the trash. Stop pretending already.

>>153103032
>That didn't canonically happen because there is never any canon mention of canonically needing Yui's canon unfertilized eggs to create Rei.
You know it's about the method not the concrete practice of cloning.

>>153102971
>Sad!
Alright, now I'm mad, I give you a wall of text for that? You can't even tell me where I'm wrong you mistaken person, how sad is that? Sorry for appearing that way, I only thought you had your own tumorous motives for defending such an unimportant argument this far, but alas! I was proven wrong and now I lie seeking your forgiveness. My dear Faggot, will you forgive me?

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>>153103032
>That didn't canonically happen because there is never any canon mention of canonically needing Yui's canon unfertilized eggs to create Rei.
This is just dishonesty at it's ugliest. Are you completely unable to infer or understand what everyone else does? We're discussing the method as described by the anon earlier with his dog example, using cats instead.

Im still right, you're just a butthurt shipper.

>Maybe look at the Venn diagam again? The pinkish part between "Modified DNA" and "Duplicated DNA" in the Venn diagram is what Rei is.
Sure. Maybe you should have a look? The venn diagram shows that this "pinkish part" isn't a clone of the original, and as you can see clearly from the original, THERE IS NO OVERLAP. Thus, not a clone of Yui, you lose again.

Reiterating the answer since you can't even understand a venn diagram:

Rei is not a clone of Yui.
However, there are clones of Rei's body. There are several Rei clones.

This means Rei is a clone, but not just of Yui.

>>153103233
But it's easy to tell where you're wrong. Everywhere! That you can't tell is just Sad!

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>>153103032
>Asukafags can't even read a VENN DIAGRAM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

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>>153103032
even if you didn't completely fuck up understanding an easy to read venn diagram, you still missed the fact that the cross-section between modified DNA / duplicated DNA also qualifies as GMO. You can clone GMO's by the way. So you have GMO clones.

>>153103292
Uggh, Everywhere! I WANT TO IMPROVE! I really do! I want to be an upstanding member of this website, I want to feel desired and appreciated for my insights into anime and manga, I WANT YOU TO LIKE ME! I have tried to start conversation with you, to understand your views and position so I can know what you think, I really care about what you have to say, but at every turn I am greeted with lies, rudeness, misunderstanding, and I am left wanting. I want to know why, I want to know why I am HATED, so I can improve!

>>153103103
>since the differences between them can no longer be explained
She carries the soul of an alien entity, that must require a pretty drastic change. The procedure is a science-fictional as the entity it caters for. You can't claim to have any idea how it would affect her, what changes it would cause to manifest.

You can't argue about science fiction like this.

Rei is a clone, she was artificially born and didn't just come from nowhere.
Several characters say she reminds them of Yui, so it's safe to assume she's a clone of Yui.
This is outright stated in Rebuild, which is made by the same people.
Rei has been altered to be able to host the soul of Lilith. This doesn't negate her status as a clone.

The show presents no evidence on the contrary to these facts.

>>153103255
Sure. Maybe you should have a look? The venn diagram shows that this "pinkish part" isn't a clone of the original, and as you can see clearly from the original, THERE IS NO OVERLAP. Thus, not a clone of Yui, you lose again.
What? are you retarded? The "original DNA" the host, Yui, the duplicated DNA is not the original DNA, it's exactly the same as it, but a separate instance of it, that is, a clone, that is, Rei.

>>153103665
Sad!, isn't it, Anon-kun?

>>153103712
It is now

>>153103695
forgot my meme arrow there

>>153103695
>What? are you retarded? The "original DNA" the host, Yui, the duplicated DNA is not the original DNA, it's exactly the same as it, but a separate instance of it, that is, a clone, that is, Rei.

No you moron, in that VENN diagram, the duplicated DNA is the duplicated original DNA! Duplicating original DNA creates clones. Mixing duplicated DNA wih original DNA is no change, thus the "????" description.

Rei is not a clone of Yui, but Rei is a clone of....**drumroll** REI.

>>153103807
Where do Rei's genes come from, if she isn't a clone of Yui?

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>>153103695
>She carries the soul of an alien entity, that must require a pretty drastic change. The procedure is a science-fictional as the entity it caters for. You can't claim to have any idea how it would affect her, what changes it would cause to manifest.

Says who? Can you stop being a hypocrite for just ONE second? You claim I can't claim how it works because "we don't know", but what on earth gives you the authority to claim how it works then? Quite simply, you should just shut the fuck up already with your non-arguments.

>Rei is a clone, she was artificially born and didn't just come from nowhere.
Yes.

>Several characters say she reminds them of Yui, so it's safe to assume she's a clone of Yui.
Wrong. A daughter may remind you of her mother, but that doesn't mean it's safe to assume the daughter is a clone of the mother.

>This is outright stated in Rebuild, which is made by the same people.
Rebuild isn't canon to NGE, and the fact that you need to rely on it shows that you don't have proof concerning NGE.

>Rei has been altered to be able to host the soul of Lilith. This doesn't negate her status as a clone.
This is true, she is simultaneously a clone and a GMO. This is scientifically possible, but she is not a clone of Yui.

>The show presents no evidence on the contrary to these facts.
It presents lots, in fact:

>Rei's different hair color
>Rei's different eye color
>Rei's ability to generate strong AT-fields
>Rei's ability to not bleed as seen in EoE
>Rei's ability to regenerate limbs or shapeshift as seen in EoE
>Rei's accelerated growth, only nine years pass but she's grown to 14

all refute this implication, and implies that Rei is not a clone of Yui.

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So many people in this thread really need to laid kek

>>153103864
According to Sadamoto, about 50% of them come from Yui, around 50% of them comes from Adam. Regardless of the exact specifics, some of it comes from Yui, and the rest is either altered or comes from Adam/Lilith.

This produces a GMO.

>>153104007
>reichu
>evageeks
speaking of people who needs to get laid....

>>153103954
Rei is artificially enhanced clone of Yui
/thread

>>153104132
>Rei is artificially enhanced clone of Yui
No, Rei is an artificial human being, precisely what NGE said she was in the original - not a clone of Yui, which the series never implied but implied against in fact.
/thread

>>153104200
She obviously has Yui's DNA which was altered and enhanced, so she's an enhanced clone
/thread

>>153104323
>Rei is artificially enhanced clone of Yui
No, Rei is an artificial human being, precisely what NGE said she was in the original - not a clone of Yui, which the series never implied but implied against in fact. Altering DNA means it is no longer a clone.
/thread

This thread really demonstrates how far Rei haters will go to spread lies about NGE. I don't get what's so important about insisting that Rei is a clone of Yui.

>>153104600
the discussion of the definition of "clone" has gone on for so long that I can't remember who's on which side. Do Reifags want to prove that she isn't Yui so that its not morally reprehensible for Shinji to fug her?

>>153104704
No, Asukafags want to lie about Rei and claim she's a clone of Yui so they have ammunition against rivaling "ships".

>>153104704
The guy arguing she is a clone said he's a Reifag

>>153104783
Ah yes. I'm the president of France by the way. That guy is not a Reifag, he's an Asukafag masquerading as a Reifag to push his bullshit.

>>153104783
>>153104754
now I'm confused

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>>153104704
The definition of clone hasn't changed. When Asuka fans and Kaworu fans are confronted with the fact that Rei is better than their favorites, they reach for the "Rei is just a clone doll of Yui" insult, and through the years they've been repeating it so much they are completely dependent on believing it themselves. Otherwise, how would they cope with what they've done?

>>153104783
That's obviously not a Reifag. It's called falseflagging. They don't have any arguments so they pretend to be someone else.

>>153104704
>Reifags, actual Evangelion fans and honest people in general

Want to defend what the character is, and the best interpretation of it. Even if they make mistakes, just by reconsidering it they can understand it and go with the better intepretation.

>Asukafags, Kaworufags, shippers and so on

Want to defend their own ships by attacking other characters, and by spreading misinformation. By convincing people that Rei is a clone of Yui, they feel safer in their own ship. Will insist on doing this even on their death bed.

Rei is shit and Reifags should kill themselves
It's that simple. Isn't it, Robin?

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>>153105047

>>153104037
I didn't think Gendo had access to Adam's DNA until Kaji delivered him embryonic Adam early in the series

>>153105047
But Rei is a schizophrenic shit anon, how is she a good character?

>>153103954
>Wrong. A daughter may remind you of her mother, but that doesn't mean it's safe to assume the daughter is a clone of the mother.
It is when the mother wasn't around to have that daughter.

>>153105184
He did, otherwise he couldn't have made EVA00, who is adam-based.

>>153092897
How can you describe that guy as "handsome"?
He's tall, alright, but his face is disgusting.

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>>153105338
>>153105355
>hurr and durr - the posts

>This thread is still up
/a/ has failed the world with its inability to ignore shitposters

>>153107511
Nuthin' like a good ol "blowin' the fuck out'in of the asukafaggin'".