How do you translate lolicon into english?

It translates to closet pedophile.

>>153078239
Closet isn't implied. It just means pedophile

True connoisseur

>>153078138
Pedophile.

Person with a lolita complex

Pedophile

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A scholar with good tastes.

>>153078138
dolicon

Pedophile

>>153078138

It literally means lolita complex.

I want normie to leave

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>>153078138
Why don't you take a seat and ask this gentleman?

You look at your audience and decide what would make the most sense to them. If I'm translating something for normalfags I'd probably go with "pedophile" even though that's a clumsy approximation at best. But if it's an anime series meant for otaku then I'd just leave it as lolicon since that's a pretty well known term among the audience of the show and I'd rather not rid the term of all its nuance.

Creep
Peophile
Human trash

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Question, why is it "lolicon" instead of "lolicom"?

I don't understand.

>>153079210
Yeah but the cartel are infamous for over-localizing their translations. They love to pretend they're translating for some wider audience that knows nothing of anime or otaku culture.

lolicon. that's it
anything else is people with agenda trying to push their definition

>>153079210
I literally just watched this yesterday and I have forgotten who she was referring to. If it was Koromo, then I don't remember the context. If it's anybody except Koromo, then the existence of Koromo has clouded my memory.

Person who likes anime girls who appear to be children.

>>153079277
In this case they are right. "Lolicon" is like "anime" or "manga" or "sakuga." It has a different meaning in English than than it does in Japanese. In English anime means Japanese animation in the style of Osamu Tezuka; in Japanese it's just animation (so Toy Story is anime) Manga, same; Superman is manga in Japan. Lolicon in English means someone who likes 2D little girls; in Japanese, it just means pedophile.

>>153079255
Because it's an anglicization of a Japanese portmanteau of two English words that gradually got whittled down into something that resembles its own new English word.

Lolita complex ----> ロリタコンプレクス ----> ロリコン ----> Rorikon ----> lolikon ----> lolicon

Is how we ended up with that term. Japanese can't form diphthongs with "m"s so they use n instead. "Konpurekusu" is how they write "complex".

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How do I stop myself from masturbating to this dragon?

>>153079255
It's how japanese works.
It's conplex, not complex because they only have standalone n in japanese and every character needs to have a vowel after it unless it is a vowel or the letter n.

>>153079362
Oh.

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>>153079354
>In English anime means Japanese animation in the style of Osamu Tezuka

>>153079255
That's hardly the most awkward Japanizing of an English word, not when you have shit like vampire -> banpaia going around.

>>153079354
>in Japanese, it just means pedophile.
But it doesn't. It refers to an age range that's strictly pubescent. Maybe the japs are retards and use it wrong just like there are tons of english speaking retards who use "pedophile" wrong. No amount of retardation actually changes the literary definition of words.

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>>153078138
How dare you use Ichigo Ichigosaki for shitposting.

>>153079426
Mexico -> Mekishico.

>>153079354
>in Japanese, it just means pedophile.
Actually no, it doesn't. The Japanese word for pedophile is　小児愛者, that's the term that shows up in their legal documents and psychological studies and so forth. Lolicon is a slang term that has no legal, medical, or other official meaning and is just a colloquial way to refer to obsession with little girls. Yes it has a lot of overlap with pedophile but it has less of a sting to it because it's like saying "you've got an unhealthy obsession with young girls" without actually accusing somebody of being a child molesting pedophile. See the difference?

>>153078138
Depends. Is the source being used to refer to an otaku who faps to his loli 2D waifu? Then lolicon. If it's being used to refer to a sick person who kidnaps little kids and rapes them in his condo, then >>153078861.

>>153079398
>have standalone n
Half right. It's that their words with ん sounds are pronounced in a way that's a mix of -m and -n like how らりるれろ isn't strictly rarirurero but a mix between R sounds and L sounds. This is also why both senpai and sempai are equally valid way of transcribing 先輩 because it's not a strictly -n sound as we know it in English.

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>>153079466
well to be fair "lolita" came from that old Russian book and apparently the girl was 12

>>153079587
But fampai exists while fanpai does not, f a m.

>>153079590
>that old Russian book
Lolita is an English novel. Nabokov wrote Lolita in English first, then later translated it into his native Russian. People seem to think that just because Nabokov is Russian he wrote all his novels in Russian originally.

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>>153079494
Platform -> Homu

>>153079512
>>153079466
《(和)Lolita＋complex》幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理。少女ロリータを愛する男を描いた、ナボコフの小説「ロリータ」による語。ロリコン。
The disordered state of mind of feeling sexual attraction to little girls, including prepubescent (youjo).
>>153079541
Sort of. "Pedo" works for someone who faps to 2D lolis too. Milder and less clinical than "pedophile" but still has the same meaning

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>>153078138
lolita complex/lolicon/little girl fascination

>>153079652
ok whatever but the point is much the same

>>153078138
Obsession with little 2D anime girls

>>153079590
Unrelated to your post, but man, that's just an awful, inaccurate chart.

>>153079717
No not really. Nabokov spoke English fluently, and certainly wrote it better than most native speakers can. If anyone is qualified to add new words to the English lexicon it's him.

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>>153079738
that wasn't the point
the point was that the girl in the book was probably pre-pubescent considering the time period
>>153079728
is this better for your autism?

>>153079587
Half right again, ん actually represents a range of nasal consonants used in Japanese, m is one of them, but others are not even used in English such as the uvular nasal.

>>153079705
Yeah that doesn't really contradict anything I said. It's used to refer to people obsessed with young girls and has a lot of overlap with the term "pedophile" but remains distinct from it in its usage because of its connotations.

Mangaka who write complicated non-japanese names in katakana with no romanization need to be strangled.

>>153079848
>are not even used in English
I know, but I was talking about in reference to the English language which is that it's a mix of -n and -m. Otherwise, it'll be pointless, like the らりるれろ example which can't be strictly transcribed in English.

Holy pedophilia complex, Batman!

>>153079888
>>153079705
Let's not forget that you also face the same vagueness even in English. Most people just use pedo as the general/catch all term even when they really mean ephebephiles.

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>>153079590
>well to be fair "lolita" came from that old Russian book and apparently the girl was 12

>>153079915
My point is that it's not "mix". Sometimes it's precisely the same sound, and sometimes it's a different sound, depending on what word it's being used in and how the speaker speaks. That's not like らりるれろ, which is consistently different from any consonant used in English but sounds like a mix between l and r.

>>153079965
>ephebephiles.
Stop it with these stupid fucking tumblr/reddit/wherever the hell they're coming from labels.

>>153080003
Or you can stop blaming others for your own ignorance about words that predate those communities. You are just as retarded as those faggots from tvtropes that ruin the usage of tropes and deconstructions.

Loliphile

>>153080003
Those labels are older than the internet you dumb fuck.

>>153079993
>precisely the same sound
No.

>That's not like らりるれろ
No

You're still thinking in terms of English pronunciation. Stop that.

>>153080091
You dumb fuck, don't post at all if you have nothing to say.

>>153080118
Take your own advice.

>>153080118
>>153080141
Just fuck already.

>>153080118
What is it with some of you having to act pissy the moment conversations don't go your way? It's childish as fuck.

>>153080065
Ah, so people were retarded before the internet, sorry for being optimistic. These terms mean nothing and using them perpetuates the myth that 18 years old is some kind of magical barrier that somebody becomes an adult once they cross.

>>153079965
English speakers use pedophile to mean everything from a babyfucker to somebody who has sex with a 17 year old a week before her birthday. But even setting aside misappropriated usage of the term, even its pure definition isn't really applicable, or more accurately it's lacking the right connotations. The closest thing we have in English to lolicon is probably "pedo" because it at least shares some of the connotations that lolicon has by dint of being a slang term. It doesn't have the cultural nuance that lolicon does though, and for that reason I'd say if you're willing to use "pedo" then lolicon would be just as fine.

>>153078138
Lolita complex.


Normalfags fuck off.

Small girl lover

>>153079848
>>153079993
Got to agree with this guy, the ん is a pretty variable sound. You can write 海浜幕張 as Kaihinmakuhari instead of Kaihimmakuhari if you want, but that'd be retarded, because the ん in 海浜幕張 is a very distinct 'm' sound. Other times it's very distinctly an 'n' sound, like in こんにちは. The ん in 海浜幕張 and the ん in こんにちは are quite different.

>>153080224
Simple, unambiguous, and accurate. Better translation than pedophile at any rate.

>>153079831
Much better.

- it doesn't use Tanner's research on a small nonrandom malnourished group of girls from 19th century England
- it doesn't extrapolate the trend too high (>16.5) or low (<12) compared to a large sample of well established studies
- it isn't a straight fucking line (!)

It's also important to note than the industrial revolution was quite an exception that raised the average age of menarche abnormally high, and it was lower before - we have ample historical sources for a couple thousand years starting from antiquity that the average age stayed around 14±1 for European populations

>>153080191
>using them perpetuates the myth that 18 years old is some kind of magical barrier that somebody becomes an adult once they cross
No, that's just you making up shitty assumptions.The word doesn't mean what you think it means. Go read a book sometimes. But I guess that requires effort, so much easier to blame it on some other groups.

>>153080213
Shut it you nonce.

>>153080191
Those terms have absolutely nothing to do with the age of consent and in fact predate age of consent laws.

>>153080277
I wish nonce was a term in American English, but unfortunately it sounds too silly for our parlance.

>>153080277
>>153080118
>>153080191
>It's a 'retard hates to admit he's wrong and proceed to shitpost' episode

Kiddie fiddler

>>153080091
http://www.collegium.or.jp/~sagitta/ocm_homepage/html/kouza_backnumber/kbn63.html
Fucktard

>>153080314
Being a lolicon doesn't make you a child molestor.

>>153080191
>18 years old is some kind of magical barrier that somebody becomes an adult once they cross
It doesn't though. That's just you still being stubborn and refusing to accept that others called you out on your shit.

>>153080325
Read your own link first, fucktard.

>>153080191
You should at least look up the definitions of these terms before you run your mouth like an idiot. They have nothing do with the age of 18 (or any age of consent for that matter), they're based around puberty.

>>153079512
>" without actually accusing somebody of being a child molesting pedophile
"pedophile" and "child molester" are not synonyms, they are two separate categories, though there is overlap between them.

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>>153080361
>>153080325
>>153080141
>>153080118
>>153080091
It always amazes me how you fags can have a long civil discussions about major topics but then suddenly fly off the handle and jump straight into petty insults over the little things.

>>153078138
"Middle aged fat child cunny connoisseur with glasses and trench-coat on an appointment with Chris Hansen."

>>153080444
cracked.com, please

>>153080003
>Labels r bad
Where does this shitty mindset come from?

>>153080444
It's unfortunate that the English language has been vandalized for the convenience of the poorly read.

>>153080361
>m before p,b and m
>n before t, d, n, r and the rest
>ŋ before k,g and ŋ
>Archiphoneme N for the rest
>mix of -n and -m
Whatever you say

>>153078138
2D pedo if used in the context of Japanese animation, comics and artwork.

>>153080444
Pedophile has that connotation though. The very fact you felt the need to point that out to me (which was unnecessary because I'm well aware of the difference) is proof of how strong the criminal connotations of the term pedophile are. And those connotations are pretty much exactly the same in Japanese for 小児愛者. Lolicon does have sleezy, quasi-criminal connotations but they aren't nearly as strong and the term doesn't come across as being clinical or accusatory as a result. It's something you can use jokingly, as it's often used in anime and manga. The serious implications are still there, but the term itself is not a serious one so it lessens its bite.

>>153080519
It's true though, not all pedophiles molest children, and not all child molesters are pedophiles.

>>153080539
Aye, I find it especially odd when people call someone who had sex with a 17 year old a "child molester"

>>153080538
You're on an anonymous imageboard. You should know this.

>>153080463
Clearly we have the moral high ground me follow redditar! :3

>>153080660
>The very fact you felt the need to point that out to me (which was unnecessary because I'm well aware of the difference) is proof of how strong the criminal connotations of the term pedophile are
I felt the need to point out because you made the connection.

>>153080561
Considering that you're comparing two different things, looks like you need to brush up your english comprehension skills first.

>mix of -n and -m
They are not what I'm referring to in the context I posted. You are talking about a different thing and you didn't even realize it. If you have good english comprehension skills you'll find that there is no contradiction.

>Whatever you say
I will, since at this point you no longer about a discourse and just want to be right at all cost.

>>153080502
>implying Cris Hansen can teleport faster than a lolicon from /a/
The amount of time spent speedily shoving snacks into my mouth doesn't just go to waste you know. I've developed extremely precise hand coordination, there's no way he can evade my sword.

>>153080718
Speaking of which, has the episode with the fedore guy aired? Haven't bothered to keep up with his new show as they've been rather underwhelming.

>>153080705
Yes because I was illustrating how the term is used. When you call somebody a pedophile it's basically akin to calling them a child molester, because that's how most people will take it. It has very heavy connotations. By contrast calling somebody a lolicon is less serious, it has a wider range of applicability. Like, you can use it for somebody whose behavior is kind of suspect around young girls, and you could maybe laugh it off. You couldn't do that with the term pedophile without putting people's backs up and/or seriously offending somebody or ruining their reputation.

>>153080538
>Labels r bad
That's not what he said at all. He said those labels are bad. Learn to read.

>>153080681
I really don't when we divide the site up by adding labels for what kind of content goes where.

>>153080784
Without explaining why those labels are bad it's the same as calling labels bad in general.

>>153080561
>>153080707
Looking at the posts, it seems like you both are actually on the same page but are misunderstanding each other due to some awkward wording choices.

It's just like my animu! Which one of you are the tsundere twintail and which one is the ojou?

>>153080807
By that logic, if I say you're a fucking idiot without explaining why it's the same as saying everybody is a fucking idiot.

>>153080707
>>mix of -n and -m
>They are not what I'm referring to in the context I posted. You are talking about a different thing and you didn't even realize it. If you have good english comprehension skills you'll find that there is no contradiction.
To quote the earlier conversation:
>>>My point is that it's not "mix". Sometimes it's precisely the same sound, and sometimes it's a different sound, depending on what word it's being used in and how the speaker speaks.
>>precisely the same sound
>No.
So if is not the same sound, then you are saying that an n and m in japanese sounds different than an n and m in english?

>>Whatever you say
>I will, since at this point you no longer about a discourse and just want to be right at all cost.
I am not the first anon.

>>153078138
Lolicon. Portmanteau of "lolita connoisseur". It might surprise you, but the japs did not invent the word "lolita".

>>153080840
Not him, but given the context, it is pretty obvious where it's leaning towards.

>>153080875
>lolita connoisseur
are you trying to be funny

>>153079587
The Patriots!?

>>153080856
>you are saying that an n and m in japanese sounds different than an n and m in english
No.
>I am not the first anon
Like him, you need to stop thinking in terms of english pronunciation first and then work backwards.

>My point is that it's not "mix". Sometimes it's precisely the same sound, and sometimes it's a different sound
>My point is that it's not "mix" but it is a mix

>>153080917
It was a shock the first moment I realized it too.

>>153080807
The very existence of those labels implies that the attractions are abnormal.

>>153080840
Not really, because you're giving a specific target, he just said "stupid labels'. Without context there's nothing to determine why the labels are stupid or what qualifies as a stupid label.

>doujin about middle-aged man fucking little girls
>little girl calls him "ロリコン"
>scanlator translates it as "lolicon"
>even though in-universe he's attracted to real 3d girls and she's basically calling him a pedophile

>>153080933
But it doesn't, that's just his (and your) ignorance. Unless you think that attraction to adults is considered abnormal as well.

This thread needs actual images of loli to make it less shit.

>>153080927
Not a mix in the らりるれろ are, which is what you used as a comparison. For ん you have a bunch of sounds, some of which are like n, some like m, and some like neither. In らりるれろ's case it's an actual sound (or range of sounds) that sounds like a something between l and r.

>>153080938
>Without context
What part of tumblr/reddit/wherever did you miss? And the target was pretty obvious if you read the post he was replying to.

>>153080959
Words have to communicate something by their nature, and hebe/ephebephile don't communicate anything if they aren't meant to mean an abnormality.

>>153080987
>some of which are like n, some like m, and some like neither
So... like an actual sound (or range of sounds)

>>153081028
You're just being stupid on purpose now.

>>153079362
> Japanese can't form diphthongs with "m"s
I think what you meant to say is that the japanese language has no syllables ending in any other consonants than "n". The only diphthongs in Japanese are the ones you form with a short "i", e.g. "kyo", "nya" as opposed to disyllabic "kio" or "nia".

A diphthong is a combination of 2 vowels in the same syllable. Which is why it's also called a gliding vowel; you pronounce the two sounds as if gliding over them, in a single breath.

>>153081026
>don't communicate anything
Yes they do. What do you think those terms are defined as? That's what they mean and communicate.

>abnormality
That's you assigning *additional* meaning, implications or interpretations.

>>153081026
So I guess "Teleiophile" only exists because attraction to adults is abnormal?

You clearly have no idea where these words come from or what their inteniton is, so please just stop talking.

>>153081026
I dub thee anon "Omnivorous"
The label "Omnivorous" is obviously NOT an actual word and doesn't communicate anything outside of the context of your very strong attraction to plants and animals in the search for sustenance
you fucking sicko

>>153081019
Oh, yes, how could I miss the buzzwords. Those totally give clarity to the post.

>>153081028
They are not a "mix" in the same sense though. ん　is consistently n before t,d etc and m before p, b, etc. across speakers in the same enviroment while らりるれろ　have free variation, and thus could be l, r or anything in between in the same word even.

>>153081039
No point posting seriously if you don't bother.

>>153081088
>>153081028
>>153081028
This could all be solved perfectly if you guys just looked up IPA pronunciations

Reminder that YOUJO DOESN'T TRANSLATE TO LOLI FUCK YOU DAIZ

>>153081067
The difference is that nobody actually uses that term. Why are you turning this into an issue of semantics?

>>153081175
>nobody actually uses that term
Just stop it. You're only embarrassing yourself further.

>>153081175
The same people use the term "teleiophile" as use the term "ephebophile". Again, your ignorance does not make you right.

>>153081175
Your retarded illiterate ass is not an indication of the world at large.

Loli is a mistake

>>153081175
No, why are YOU so determined to think that just because you don't know shit, it means other people are just as clueless as you? Are you still the same guy who claims it's a term made up and used by reddit/tumblr? You really need to spend less time on the internet or at least spend some of your online time on reading a wider range of literature.

>>153078138
Man with a taste and true enthusiast

>>153081149
It pretty much does.

>>153078138
it's already in English

>>153081175
Gee anon how come your mom let's you go full retard?

>>153081594
Because it's transitional hours and I'm on the "haven't gone to bed yet" side of the court.

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>>153081611

>>153081674
This shit is literally just an atheists version of star-signs.

>>153081702
Huh, I used that same response once...

>>153080258
What kind of estimators does that regression even use? Non-linear least squares?

>>153080325
What's the difference between n and 「N」? They seem the same to my ears.

>>153081982
n is a phoneme and 「N」is an archiphoneme

>>153081982
When you pronounce the n, your tongue touches the roof of your mouth. When pronouncing the 「N」, your tongue does not touch the roof of your mouth. try it with these words: unsei, ren'ai, han'on, ten'un, danwa, fun'iki, en'ei, shinshaku, man'you

>>153082067
Yeah, I get that, but which bundle of phenomes form the archiphonememe?

>>153078138
Lo-li-con

Destined-for-suicide.

>>153078138
pedophile.

>>153078138
Paedophile.

>>153078138

lolita complex

>>153078138
>Jail

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>>153078138
Kiddie-fiddler

>>153081175
>Why are you turning this discussion of semantics into an issue of semantics
Are you by chance retarded?

>>153083593
It's not even close to arguing about semantics. The guy is flat out denying shit.