Did anything really change in the end?

All of humanity got turned to LCL are you fucking stupid?

Are you two roleplaying as Shinji and Asuka? Or is this a serious question?

>leave a boy and a girl to repopulate humanity
>boy is gay

>>152821116
Wait a minute
I thought everyone rematerialised

>>152821245
We saw two people do it.

>>152821319
Wasn't it stated that anyone can do it?

>>152821173
It was serious
Why wouldn't it be serious?

>>152821334
Ya Shinji decided to give everyone the choice.

>>152820870
shinji needs some shorter pants, or at least hemmed pants. christ.

>>152821334
Anybody who can remember themself, a wreck like Asuka pulled her mind back together and made it out. They could still not bother.

>>152821185
He'll have to do it, for the sake of humanity.

>>152821405
If your idea of "nothing changes" includes crucifiction, sexual asphixiation, political intrigue and out of body experiences, I am going to have to ask you several questions. Starting with your contact info.

>>152821185
"Shinji get in the girl"

>>152821820
Let's just jump over that part.
What are the other "several questions"?

>>152821902
Do you see instrumentality as nirvana or as a place of suffering?
Do you believe a short exposure to it can be benefitial and character forming?
Do you see the two survivors as the last humans or the first humans?
Related to the last question, do you see the events of the show as a dream or simulation that formed the characters' personalities, or as events that really took place?

>>152822232
Let's see!
Instrumentality is supposed to be nirvana but since humans can't achieve perfection,they can't accept it.(Like when something is going too well you can sense that it's just too good to be true)
So it becomes hell for those who realize the flaws of perfection
Every experience is beneficial to a person.At least that is what I believe.
Tricky question
They can't be the first,there were humans before them,they can't be the last either.
I think it's sort of half real half dream.
The mind segments are dreams and the action segments are real.
Dreams often make you see past events,even small ones.If your mind wants to confront it,it will dream about it.


That said,watching this was a mistake.

One of the early endings depicted Shinji alone on the beach with a severed arm, understanding that humanity won't come back, but still deciding to continue on living. But later Anno added Asuka, so I don't know why people insist on people coming back. But whatever.

>>152823062
>so I don't know why people insist on people coming back.
It's literally stated in the fucking film that anyone can come back

>>152823195
This honestly.
And evern if a fraction of a percentage of humanity decides to come back,that is still an enormous number.
Just think about it. 6 Billion people in 1997!
A percent of that is 60 million.

>>152823024
Those are all interesting and valid answers. You said every experience is beneficial. Why do you think watching Eva was a mistake?

>>152823376
>6 Billion people in 1997!
The world of NGE problem doesn't have that much poeople, but I get your point.

>>152823477
Actually it's debatable if you actually need to be alive at the moment of EoE to get into Instrumentality.

See: Kaji and Misato

>>152823467
I had a perfect mental ballance before watching it.
I'm not sure anymore.
Losing the positive vibes.

>>152823062
Jesus Christ that would be a depressing ending.

>>152823569
I'm not entirely sure when Kaji died in the series but in some religions your soul lingers around your body before going away.
Or as in Hinduism/Buddhism it's constantly on Earth,looking for a space to be reborn.(But I'm no expert when it comes to these religions)

>>152823592
You'll probably want to spend some time alone and have lots of sleep. Don't dream.

>>152823685
Remember that soul in the universe and context of evangelion is more than just a religious thing, it's basically the ego and can be manipulated using technology.

>>152823838
Not dreaming is not an option anon.
I have been practicing lucid dreaming.

And I don't want to be alone.

>>152820870
Well, Shinji gets upset that everyone is dead and resets the world, then Rebuilds happen.

>>152823910
I stopped meditating because of Eva, and haven't developed lucid dreaming past the basics, for the same reason.
It may be my favorite anime, but I don't want to see anything from Eva in perfect detail. More importantly, I don't want to touch or smell anything that came from Eva. Things man was not meant to know.

>>152824113
Aren't you a bit paranoid?
Or have you just recently watched it too?

It's not like anything really bad can happen to you in a dream.
The worst things were so fare:
>The dream where giant robots bombed my home
>Waking up as I was laying sideways on my bed and the blaket which is usually on the right side is perfectly folded on the left side of the bed

>>152823062
I'm like 70% sure it was abandoned for the accidental implication that it was flat impossible for anybody but Shinji to return. The ambiguity's important, that people are able to return but it still ends waiting on a lonely beach.

Is this therapy session?

>>152824221
Both.
I've been to the city dozens of times. I've never dreamed of the real Tokyo, but I've been to so many places in Tokyo-3, and I can describe each of them down to the details. The stairwell, the labs and workshops, the clinial corridors full of stripes and guidelines, and the white, gleaming city rising above them.
I have no idea why I'm writing this, but this one time, Asuka showed me a scar in the inner side of her left thigh. She said that this was how I was going to recognise her, next time we meet. Unsettling.

>>152821185
This is almost as bad a forced meme as toilet-Rei.

What if someone is pretty sure who they are, but are wrong, and re-materialize out of the LCL as someone else?

>>152824807
Cool
I only go to bookshops in my dreams
And when I dream of a good price,it usually comes back in real life to me.

Any tips on LD?
I'm doing the reality checks and I also try writing a dream journal but what else can be done?

>>152824949
Everyone is everyone there.

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>>152824875
>implying Shinji wasnt a faggot

>>152824949
what if someone does it on purpose?

>>152824949
False ego won't work, as far as i understand the show. Shinji woke up several times and shed several layers of guilt and self-deception before he was willing (or allowed) to be reborn. It's a very Buddhist moment in both the show and the movie.

>>152825115
>all the traps come back as 10/10 girls

>>152825077
If I wanted to be a meme spouting faggot,I would write:
>Jerks off to girls
>Gay

But since I'm sure I'm not a meme spouting faggot I will say that he was just willing to go down on that path to achieve the state what he percieved as happiness.

>>152821662
This, But considering evangelion's universe it's a surprise anyone was capable of doing it considering every last character has something wrong with themselves.

>>152825169
Yeah, but that really implies something physical like your genetic information is something imprinted upon your soul, and carried by it.

Like, what's stopping Shinji from being Shinji mind and soul, but with a more handsome body?

>>152824949
They would probably die considering your soul only knows how to operate the one body. Good example is like from Parasyte, remember that one that couldn't control anything besides female bodies and had his male body shitting itself, so it eventually had to run back to a female body. Or it could be like Alphonse from FMA where the body eventually rejects the soul because they aren't compatible.

>>152825006
I can't really give you any real tips. Remove any distractions 2 hours before sleep. And if you ever find yourself in complete control over your actions, use the opportunity to grow wings. You will never forget it if you do.

>>152825356
What he looks like is a part of who he is.
But you could argue that a burn victim might come back in his/her pre-accident self

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>>152825411
Human souls transplanted into angel bodies and angels transplanted human feature prominently, they got it to a science in Eva. But you could still make a case for it causing insanity.

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>>152825077
Ain't nothing faggy or gay about wanting to suck angel dick

I think I will start writing notes.
This fucking deserves it.
At leats judging by the thread.
Wring about details that shouldn't even matter/be possible to consider

>>152825600
Oooo, that sounds like it should have happened more often in the show. I would have liked one day for Shinji to wake up with his body now being the robot.

You don't have to get in the robot anymore Shinji, because you are the EVA now forever.

>>152825672
The devil is always in the details, anon. All the important things are between the lines.

>>152825814
Isn't this exactly why unit zero tried to kill itself and/or Ritsuko any time it was switched on?

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So what's the deal with Rebuild?
Is this an AU, or a continuation of EoE?
Are the obvious similar set-pieces red herrings or not?
Is Shinji THE Shinji?
What happened after EoE?
Will any of this bullshit be explained in the last movie?
I just want off this ride.

>>152821116
>he doesn't believe in the sequel theory

>>152825814
Unit 01 already had a soul

>>152825825
When it comes to this kind of thing,yes,but think about 99% of other media.
Most have a straightforward plot,with barely any details.(Details compared to Eva)
You don't need a companion/discussion group to watch Star Wars.
No need for such things to read a YA novel.

But you will probably need one for Ulysses,one for Inception or any movie/book/anime that deal with nonconventional storytelling.
Please correct me if I said something stupid.

>>152825909
I thought it was because the thing lacked any human soul to really control it. Wasn't one of the Rei's the soul used to control the thing, which were already unstable to begin with?

It all came to nothing

>>152825909
>>152825988
Don't.
Speculating about 00's soul always ends up evolving into some EvaGeek-tier theory-spinning.

>>152825935
AU, kinda. It's what would happen if the Third Impact was stopped halfway and wasn't able to continue without Shinji for some odd number of years.

>>152825935
It's a sequel, Shinij restarts the world after EoE because he wasn't happy

I heard all these memes before jumping into it like
>X best girl
>Whiny bitch

But none of them were true.
Did these people even watch the series?

>>152825909
Any time it became conscious of itself at least. Wanting to pulp everybody responsible and pull its head off like a Robocop 2 prototype just makes sense, but I'm not sure it explains the attempt it made on Shinji's brain.

Please tell me I don't have to torture myself more to get it.
I don't want to watch the rebuilds.
I have suffered enough

>>152826226
It's extremism it happens to every anime/media.
Not to mention in comparison to other Mecha anime it does seem a bit lack luster, but that's because it's trying to shit all over the genre itself by being somewhat realistic.

>>152826331
It really is postmodern then

>>152825984
I'm still looking for that one thing that has the same vibe as Eva. There are a lot of things that are more complex, but none of them have the same vibe. Maybe it really is the only thing of its kind.
Like you said, most "art" is simply entertainment and nothing more.

At the end of EoE where everything is fucked up, and it's only him and Asuka, where do the sequels come in? Does the world just automatically reset after the third impact? If that were the case, would the ending scene in EoE be kinda unnecessary since it should reset rather than just keep going? Or is it yet another deviation from the whole "reset" thing?

>>152826266
They aren't that bad.
The first one is a reasonably faithful remastering of the first few episodes.
The second one deviates a lot, and is really its own thing. But it's still very Eva. It's pretty great.
The third one is completely off the rails. It's like waiting in line for the bathroom for an hour just to shit your pants the moment you finally open the door. Great if you're into that sort of thing.
Projected with the trend, I cannot even begin to imagine the fourth one.

>>152826266
Don't watch the Rebuilds. They are a waste of time and you will just feel bad after them.

>>152826416
>I'm still looking for that one thing that has the same vibe as Eva
I have no intention of seeing something similar ever again.God help me avoid finding similar things.
It's just too much for me.
You can call me a pussy for letting a japanese cartoon about 15 year olds fighting in robots intimidate my mind and my worldview,but I don't care.

>>152826497
I don't think it resets. I think the rebuilds just start from scratch again and go a more "optimistic" route instead.

>>152826416
Have you watched The Second Renaissance from the Animatrix collection?

>>152826664
That's not a sequel, then.

>>152825006
>>152825438
kill yourself you roleplaying autist

>>152826725
I'm not planning to do such thing.

>>152826720
So the rebuilds aren't sequels then? I guess if it's not a sequel it's the events that happen if 3rd impact started but stop midway somehow? Confused desu

>>152826836
Just think of it like an alternate universe. Japan does this kind of thing pretty often when they just want to reuse the setting and characters without shitting on the original product.

>>152826836
Nah, EoE is never referenced again. In the rebuild timeline they didn't get far enough into the plot to have instrumentality happen yet, so the half-impact only damaged the Earth more.

Which Rei is best Rei?

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Wouldn't the story look something like this if they were sequels?

>>152826912
How do I interpret this doodle?

>>152826705
Yes, it's good but it's not the same.
>>152826615
Don't get this the wrong way. I'm glad you got the show, even though you didn't enjoy it.

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>>152826968
I see it like this now

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>>152826968
Story goes clockwise,
First comes the black circle with the blue line,then from the same starting point starts the Rebuild which follows a similar story but still deviates.

>>152827029
I enjoyed it.
It's just that it made me sad and confused and tortured me a bit in a pschichological

>>152827088
Think you've had one microwaved banana too many today, anon.

What was the first impact?

>>152827088
Close, but missing third impact that changed Rebuild into new timeline and then there was the almost fourth impact.

>>152827088
There's no branch between the show and EoE.
The last bits of the show happen during the movie.

>>152827116
Second Impact is markedly different in Rebuild compared to the original series, so a loop like that doesn't work.

>>152827088
That works, but EoE is the same ending as the TV show, just it adds more.

>>152827165
Beginning of life when Lillith and Adam came down from space. It's referenced in Rebuild that one impact destroys planet but two together creates life.

>>152827165
Me knocking up your mom.

>>152827172
Why is Shinji so good at impacts?
It's like he has an innate talent at ending the world.

>>152827295
You mean you wouldn't try to perfect the world over and over again?

>>152827295
Well, the third one happened while he was trying to save Rei. The fourth one wasn't his problem though, Kaworou( however you spell his name) said they could fix the world with a fourth one if they used the two spears Adam and Lilith came down with.

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>94 replies
>22 posters

Don't you nerds have anything better to do on a Sunday?

>>152827426
Do you?

>>152827426
No.
What are you gonna do about it?

>>152827173
Wrong

>>152827426
"Calling others nerds"
"Posting on 4-chan"
I don't think you know where you are.

>>152827510
This. Last two episodes 24 and 25 happen during the movie.

>>152827426
I've seen better bait in my time.

I will rewatch this in six months.
I have decided.
I don't care.I will do it.
Might make more sense the second time.

>>152827398
Absolutely, but for different reasons. Probably with the same end result, though.

>>152827586
Why is it so common for people to think the last two episodes were 24 and 25? It's 25 and 26.

>>152827633
Whoops. Although, I think it's because a lot of anime end at 12, 24, or 25 final episode numbers.

>>152827633
Funny thing is,I thought there were 24 episodes when starting it.
Only after writing them all down into the .txt I realized that there is still more to it.

>>152827630
But what if it makes too much sense? That's what got me here originally.

>>152827714
Then I will deconstruct it again and attack the conclusion again.
At least this is what I have been doing for the past two days.

>tfw you have 10GB collection of Eva pics
>tfw you have several folders with full character analysis and quite specific thoughts on each aspect of the show
>tfw you rewatch Eva every year and even D&R for Quattro scenes
>tfw you have full collection of Eva music, including the ones inspired by it
>tfw you own Blu-Rays and manga
>tfw not a single figurine/poster/merchandise
Am I obsessed? What do?

>>152827878
>did it have a positive impact on your life?
If yes continue
If no seek help

But since you said
>no figurines
I'm going to assume you are keeping it to healthy doses

>>152827948
>>152827878
Reminder that Gendo had no photos of his wife.

>>152828001
>no photos
Yeah, he had a teenage clone of her

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>>152828045
That was the most screwed up thing about the whole ordeal
>I don't need pictures because I have her in my heart
>Actually cloned her multiple times

>>152828103
>>152828045
Rei was made in Yui's image, but wasn't a clone. She was the side effect of failing to get Yui out.

>>152827878
>>tfw you have several folders with full character analysis and quite specific thoughts on each aspect of the show
Do you have this analysis in its entirety? http://archive.is/iDzen

Would have Yui still betrayed Gendo even if Asuka didn't confront her in the elevator about following orders blindly?

>>152828103
Gendo's pretty lame and I can't take him seriously, although for some reason I like Hasegawa by the same voice actor.

>>152828234
No

>>152828234
wut

Asuka talking to Yui? Asuka confronting people never had any effect for anyone.

>>152828253
A took him seriously until EoE.
Him trying to swindle everyone was quite fun to watch
>I'm going to screw over Selee,Nerve,my son and humanity

>>152828323
They talked briefly in one of the later episodes (The one where Asuka is hating everything and everyone)
She confronts her regarding this "I would die for my commander" thing quite harshly.

>>152827295
Because his mother embodied in god and god in his mother's body love him and think he should have whatever he wants. Evangelions were invented for him, they're made the way they are and use child pilots because the best anybody else could do was recreating the accident Yui staged to make him important. There is a real chance he was conceived as Second Impact was occurring and born inside the Black Moon.

>>152828398
You're talking about Rei you retard.

>>152828398
No? Did you even watch NGE?

>>152828431
Yes,I made big fuck up.
I'm going to shelf myself now.
This was a nice therapy session

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>>152828488
Same for me.

>>152828398
>>152828234
Ah well in that case, of course. Rei has been established as having a growing divide between her and NERV from earlier episodes. Then you misremember the scene. Rei is saying that she'd die if ordered to, which is the truth.

The point of the scene is to demonstrate that people are ignorant and abrasive, even if others are trying to help. Asuka is judgemental and ugly as a person, and simply attacks Rei for trying to help her. Asuka doesn't know Rei or want to know her, because Rei actually has a good reason to say that she'd die if ordered to.

Another point of the scene is to start off the "Asuka is a puppet" theme NGE has, and how than rather face her own problems, Asuka projects them onto others. Hence the whole "i hate everyone because theyr'e this and that" thing she does, but in truth it's her own problems.
It also poses Rei as an innocent party who gets punished for her good deeds.

>>152827878
>tfw you have full collection of Eva music, including the ones inspired by it
Share that folder

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>>152820870
Not gay, but Kaworu (manga version) is the best Eva girl.

>>152821334
Why would anyone want to come back when they can be juice and live in their ideal world for eternity?

>>152829136
is the story in the manga different?
is it less shit?

Which series/movie does the manga ending match up with?

I read it a few years ago and picked up the show a bit later but stopped watching around ep 21 I think.

>>152830758
>stop watching before kaworu

what are you, straight or something?

>>152830758
Eva is an anime original. The manga was made to promote the anime so it has a completely different continuity.

The only thing I learned about this was that I enjoy choking women, while they insult me.

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>>152830480
Definitely there's more story. It feels more down to earth and comfy.

>>152830997
guess Ill read it some time then

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Why was Shinji so dazzled here? Did he remember her or did he just like her?

>>152831204
Who knows/cares, ending was forced nonsensical shit.

>>152831204
Residual memories, or like the feeling of Deja Vu. Like Angel Beats ending kind of.

>>152831590
Shinji did the correct thing for once fighting against the Eva Series.

>>152820870
those that died before the actual Instrumentality event are dead for good, I think

which is weird because that means Asuka was sliced to bits, writhing in horrific pain, yet alive long enough to be taken by Rei/Lilith

>>152831824
Not really. When Rei III merges with Adam and Lilith she transcends time and is able to collect any soul at any moment of history. That's her we see in the very beginning and the very end. Not to mention when Misato and Ritsuko die.

>>152820870
just noticed the giant head has no forhead and a huge chin. Also doesn't resemble anything close to any of the people in the show.