flip flappers

>883

I WANT TO RUB MY COCK BETWEEN NYUNYU'S THIGHS

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I don't think this is healthy, the other thread just died a natural death.

the other thread just died, let it go

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>>152589409

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>>152589290
Let it rest for a few days, anon. The Mimi thread just died.

>>152589290
What anime have you guys moved on to?

>>152589701
i still haven't watched the last 3 episodes

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>Cockona

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>>152589737
>Cockona

>>152589701
LWA, was about to watch Konosuba, but the first episode made me lose my interest.

>>152589701
Fantasies about suicide.

>>152589701
I wish.

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>>152589290
How do you feel about 3D cocona?

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>>152589701
Nothing from this season, it's like Flip Flappers spoiled me a bit too much.
So I've started purging my backlog instead.

>>152589701
Everything that's airing except fujoshit
Gabriel is AOTS already

>>152589867
Looks like a late PS2-era RPG character I love it

>>152589867
3D Uexkull next

>>152589867
Where is her nose? And more importantly, is it possible to get a Massive Rump shot?

>>152589290
i thought this was a giant used condom from the catalog

>>152589701
Back to my main, Gochiusa. Yeah, it's not airing but there's still lots of doujins and fanart being made, plus movie soon. Watching LWA and Urara this season.

>>152589701
LWA is nice, it helps a bit.

>>152589754
>>152592532
But LWA is legit nothing outside of animation, sadly

>>152589701
Urara and Gabriel mostly. I don't go into LWA threads.

>>152592567
flip flappers doesn't even have that to make up for the shitty plot so i don't know what you're complaining about

>>152592655
>complaining about
newfag detected

>>152589290
>submitted a card
>still haven't watched ep 13
>883

This thread reminded me the show exists.

So what's on the Flip Flappers reading list, guys? I've already got Hyperart Thomasson.

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I've been marathoning this today and I'm becoming increasingly worried that what I thought would be a fun ride with crazy animation is going to end up being a terrifying thing that makes me cry.

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>>152594134
Nihongo ha muzukashii.
Why did you not use sage? I hate you.

>>152592711
Speaking of cards what happened to the flipflapcard anon? His twitter account is suspended and thus the card doesn't appear anymore on Oshiyama's twitter.

>>152594215
Which episode got you worried?

>>152594406
Presumably suspended for /pol/ shit.

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>>152594406
>Which episode got you worried?
The lying to obachan one

I'm up to 8 now though and only mildly aroused. There is less of the great animation in the middle here. Really strong start, preumably strong finish. I'm too dumb for this anime but damn it's pretty / 10.

>>152589867
Dammit, Aoba.

>>152594134
Pulled from a collab project
>Birkhäuser-Oeri, Sibylle. The Mother: Archetypal Image in Fairy Tales. Toronto: Inner City Books, 1988.
>Franz, Marie-Louise von. Shadow and Evil in Fairy Tales. Zürich: Spring Publications, 1974.
>Franz, Marie-Louise von. The Interpretation of Fairy Tales. Boston: Shambhala Publications, 1996.
>Jung, Carl Gustav. The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1981.
>Kawai, Hayao. 昔話の深層 ユング心理学とグリム童話. 講談社, 1994.
>Neumann, Erich. The Great Mother: An Analysis of the Archetype. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1972.

>le eight eight three face

>>152595178
Fig.1
Young girl covers herself uncomfortably while her aunt-turned lesbian lover attempts to devour her umbilical cord by proxy.

>>152595368
Seriously, what does this even mean? I didn't find the motif in the reading list.

>>152595617
>smells like bleach

>>152595420
Aside from the association between the oral fixation and teething with Jung's stages of mental development, I think it was just meant to be a very vulgar way of foreshadowing the past relationships between Papikana and Cocona/Mimi.

"Cut the umbilical cord" is also an english turn of phrase typically directed at overprotective mothers which basically means "fuck off and let your kid do their own thing." It's not a particularly Jungian reading of the scene, but you can probably see how Papika being repratedly associated with biting the cord in Cocona's presence, both symbolically and literally, plays into the function that her relationship with Cocona has on Cocona's own pathology and on the relationship between Cocona and Mimi (which is really just a personification of Cocona's pathology anyways).

I actually don't know what, if anything, Jungian thinkers have to say about the symbol of the cord.

>>152595821
>foreshadowing the past relationships
Perhaps just a fun symbol which doesn't go deep into archetypal level.

>>152596092
Very possible but now that you have me thinking about it, I cant help feeling that the cord OUGHT to have more of a presence in those archetypes. It seems almost completely absent from the relevant literature despite being such an obvious icon.

>>152596419
child's play. we're dealing with vagina symbols right here.

>>152596389
>>152596419
>>152596452
Were these scenes really necessary?

>>152596473
Absolutely.

>>152594134
>>152595079
>>152595368
>>152595420
>>152595821
Can someone explain to me what the hell is going on?

>>152596783
Flap flipping.

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>Hey kid wanna see my pussy

>>152596823
＞－ＰＩＮＧＧＵ

>>152592361
>Gochiusa movie
What? When was this announced?

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>>152596934

>>152596917
I don't remember longcat being in Flip Flappers.

I miss the good flip flapper threads

>inb4 they were never good

>>152597185
not even top 0 though

>>152585885
>some japanese psychologists jungian interpretation of Hänsel and Gretel.

So this is Flip Flapper's deepest layer?
Beyond the anime references, beyond all other external themes, this is what it was all along?

So who else believes the entire series was a hallucinations/delusions, or a series of worlds painted/drawn by the abused and ignored Mimi?

>in the RED PORTAL, Mimi is alone in her room drawing to escape her parents arguing
>her only source of warmth in the world, the grannie at the hospital, has Alzheimer's

Just think about everything from this perspective. Cocona's "aunt" was made to be an evil robot----because making her evil makes it easier to deal with her Alzheimers. "She didnt't forget about me, she is actually an evil robot!

In the final episode, when everything almost returns "real" (for example, the rabbit turns real, the scientist is a hobo on the streets". That is the same world as the red portal, the real world. The entire series is Mimi's way of escaping reality.

>>152597212
>some japanese psychologists used the jungian interpretation of Hänsel and Gretel to study the collective psyche
ftfy

>>152596783
Just some anons discussing the literature the plot and symbolism in Flip Flapper's is based on.

>>152589701

Dragon Maid
-Light hearted mood, yuri teasing, some really good animation for some action scenes, cute but "odd" girls, hints of grander themes and circumstances going on in the background with the magic and multiverses and gods etc.

LWA
-Cute light hearted witches school series, great animation, fantastic magical stuff, anime original so there's stuff to speculate about, the worldbuilding seems promising, great girls.

Demi Chan
-Nice comfy atmosphere, interesting angle towards the cute unusual girls and their biology or how they deal with their conditions, great girls.

KonoSuba
-Good tone and balance between being ironic and straight makes the isekai seem more entertaining and easier to swallow, fun cast of characters are cute but also entertaining to watch, the world and its magic can be surprisingly good sometimes too.

>>152597220
Nah, they really actually fly off and have magical butterfly girl lesbian planeswalker adventures.

>>152594961
I can't even remember this scene, when were they at that bridge?

>>152597502
End of ep 6. Right before they (not) fucked up Senpai.

>>152597220
Delusion/dream theories suck.
I think it's more interesting to consider how Mimi herself (as in the literal character who existed in-universe) and her life/circumstances function as a figurative representation or personification of Cocona's. You can almost imagine the flashback as something playing out in Cocona's DPI.

>>152595821
So Papika helps Cocona cut her cord when she was born, and also figuratively because she's the one that gave Cocona self determination to stand up to the world and to her Mom and cut her herd from her, helping her move in her mental development ?

>>152596917
LEWD IMPLICATIONS

>>152597220
I thought the show was going to pull off that sort of bullshit twist for a second there, they really did a good effort trying to make it seem confusing with the different color palette and Hidaka looking all goofy and everyone seemed a bit too nice but in a sad way towards Cocona, as if they were dealing with a person who has issues, trying to go along with their delusion without really indulging it too much.

But no, magic exists, pure illusion is real, Papika rescues her Cocona and they go flying towards the rainbow.

>>152597590
ok interpretation for cocona, but what it means for papika to have te uncontrollable cord biting desire?

>>152597590
And Papika also helps Cocona overcome or at least challenge her fear of change (the recurring yonic imagery). Cocona becomes more capable of changing and of engagimg with the world thanks to Papika's companionship and pushing/encouraging. It's the symbolic cord tying Cocona down to her abstract safe space.

I feek like the presence of a literal Bad Mother tempts us to see everything a little too literally as references to the icons of an image snd character archetype, but they also perform allegorical functions as token representations of Cocona's psychology within that framework.

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>>152596917

>>152598662
Any translation for this?

>>152598662
How many of Cocona's panties has Yayaka stolen?
They're her treasure after all.

>>152596473
>>>tumblr

>>152597295
So basically more /a/ speculah, got it.

>>152598976
The director more or less confirmed Jungian psychology in the post series interviews.
So yeah, for "speculah", but it's not totally baseless.

>>152598115
>Bad Mother
So you're back. I can tell you are from a literary background because the term is Terrible Mother in Jungian context. Take a look at this section and tell me what you think
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1op4t5YrC1QoCRy7pW3z0n5clS9Vi694vZbS7wByisU4/edit#heading=h.n9ae1mp5ejop

>>152599767
It won't load on my phone. I'll give it a look when I get home.

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>>152599914
>phone posters

>>152599213
More rather than less, if I remember correctly he literally stated in an interview that he drew from Jungian psychology.

>>152589701
This time I'm not getting too involved with any anime

Well that was a trip and a half.

>before trying to escape and getting caught and being punished
>Mimi said she wanted Cocona to have a life where she could choose her own path
>says Pure Illusion only exists for Cocona's sake

So the unthinkable happened when they caught her escaping and basically the whole anime outside that one flashback is just Mimi's happy place inside Pure Illusion? Or did she maybe somehow drag the entire rest of the original world into Pure Illusion with her at that time and now she is effectively god? At the end of 11, she died and then Pure Illusion ceased to exist, because she was god.

>>152601392
When they caught her Mimi's Good Mother aspect could no longer deal with the situation and her Terrible Mother aspect was chosen by her consciousness to suppress the good aspect and act on the destructive instincts. For reason still unexplained her consciousness was shattered into shards containing her negative aspect, which spread around various PIs and formed into defensive traps based on the negative aspects of her personality, and this is what Cocona has been fighting with all along since ep 1.

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>>152601669
>For reason still unexplained her consciousness was shattered into shards containing her negative aspect
Personal theory, but for me it looked like it was her good side taking control for a brief moment, realizing what she has done, giving Cocona to Papika to protect her from herself and finally destroying herself.

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>Zettai ni hanasenai

I can't watch other anime now because everything reminds me of Flip Flappers.

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>>152601826
>>152601669
I think they actually killed her and none of it was real. Mimi is just using PI to keep herself from committing suicide, but eventually she still does. Everything in Pure Illusion was designed to give Cocona the life she didn't get to have.

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>>152602563

>>152602563
>>152602634
Considering they are in the background and not the center of attention, characters are still well drawn and nicely detailed, especially the guards.

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I can't wrap my head around how the last half of episode 13 works.

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>>152602850
It's really not that hard.

>>152599767
>>152599914
Alright, I gave it a look over.

I'd like to point out that what Kawai is describing here in his model of "The Great Mother" is a much tighter Type metaphysical relationship than your write up appears to be insinuating (I qualify here because I don't want to accuse you of a mistake when it could simply be my misreading). The guiding principle behind the model is that the same maternal action or subject relation contains both the Good and Terrible aspects. In other words, an action which is of the Good Mother is also simultaneously of the "Terrible Mother." A quick and literal example would be preparing a meal for your child; it is nurturing but also fostering of a dependence which forms an obstacle to the child's psychological development (learning to acquire and prepare their own food). Both of these traits are intrinsically intertwined and inherent to the contiguous relationship between maternal and dependent archetypes.

That's an important distinction to make when applying these concepts to Mimi's character. What we might be tempted to see as an internal struggle between two conflicting wills would otherwise be understood through the lens of Kawai's Great Mother as a duality of consequence within a singular, though tragically paradoxical, will. I believe the concept is not necessarily in line with the typical conception of the Shadow, though I think both the Shadow and the Great Mother were at work in Mimi's character.

Aside from that difference of interpretation, I think what you've written here is very good and well-organized. It was very easy to read, understand and identify where concepts were originating.

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>Cockona

>>152589290
>They never explained what that green rabbit was
>Didn't explain the brain inside the robot either

>>152601826
Was the good side also responsible for keeping Papika relatively safe at the dick tree with a stable supply of placenta fruit to survive?

Or for letting Cocona and Papika use henshin, until terrible mother Mimi takes it away?

And which side of Mimi was talking to Cocona on her dreams, in the boat?
What was she doing to her?
I've heard some theories say that was the terrible side, and she was telling confusing stuff to her to keep her down and defendant.

>>152603473
Wasn't Papika starving in the tree until Cocona showed up? That whole scene made it seem like she hadn't eaten anything at all until then and had been undergoing some supernatural starvation for the duration of her internment.

>>152602918
>much tighter Type metaphysical relationship than your write up appears to be insinuating
What does it appear to be insinuating? I did put a paragraph to discuss the intertwining of the two aspects with the example of imprisonment but perhaps it's just my grasp of natural languages in making a point is not as good as that of programming languages.

>>152602850
It's one of the easiest things to explain.

According to /a/, and this makes sense with what they stated in the show, Salt used elpsis which was originally designed to create a designated entry point into pure illusion as a way to project himself into pure illusion and creating a layer around it or something like that.
It ends holding back Mimi for a while until she starts to purge him out.

In the end when it was all collapsing Papika bubles Cocona with a protective barrier to send her out of there, but Cocona slashes it apart and breaks free.
Where does she end?
In that pure illusion layer created by Salt.

Evidence that it's salt is plenty.
The tone is sort of gray and melancholic like his personality, except for the giant magical rainbow butterflies in the end. Salt collects butterflies.
You can tell it's a pure illusion because Papika appears out of the same pipe hole as every time, and they henshin up and fly away right there, so it was not a real place.
They end going to a hole in the sky to return to the real world, where everyone was shown waiting for them, worried, or expecting them to come back and they all seem happy they finally returned. Bu chan is sent to meet them with the hoverboard and you get that happy ending Papika x Cocona snuggling scene.

It was a cute way to wrap it up.

>>152603473
>Was the good side also responsible for keeping Papika relatively safe at the dick tree with a stable supply of placenta fruit to survive?
>Or for letting Cocona and Papika use henshin, until terrible mother Mimi takes it away?
Mimi had no control on any of this until the fragments were reunited.

>And which side of Mimi was talking to Cocona on her dreams, in the boat?
>What was she doing to her?
We don't know for sure. Mimi probably didn't do much, it's implied Cocona's dreams with Mimi were quite vague and short.

>I've heard some theories say that was the terrible side, and she was telling confusing stuff to her to keep her down and defendant.
It was never even implied in the show.
Bot grandma however probably ensured Cocona was quiet and submissive.

>>152604083

That bit about Mimi talking to Cocona in her dreams, I saw threads discuss that vaguely in the past, there might have been some interviews that touched that before in more detail.

>>152603593
Supernatural starvation until Papika saves her might explain it.
Since it was all in pure illusion it's better not to think about it in strictly physical terms I guess.

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>>152603800
>as that of programming languages.
ur a cheeky one, m8

Anywho, I meant a few lines specifically where your diction comes across as referring to Mimi like her manifestation of the archetype like it's two sides of an identity coin, or phrase the "Terrible" aspects in a way that comes across as though describing a distinct entity.

The line in particular where you refer to the 'kind' and 'dark' mother figures seems to be slipping away from the Great Mother and towards that 'two sides of a coin' sort of depiction.

By comparison, your interpretation of Mimi and Papika's associated imagery in the next part of that paragraph was not only insightful, but focused on the consequential aspect of their relationships instead of the representational, which is more aligned with Kawai's ideas. I think it's also a more productive interpretation since the narrative perspective is affixed tightly to Cocona, and most details in the story and its imagery are important primarily for the ways in which they relate back to her. It's important to understand the Great Mother in relation to the subject who is being mothered, which I think you applied very astutely in the end of that paragraph.

It's just the first bit could use a bit of clarity, which, since you clearly understand the concepts you're tackling here, means being a little more careful that your wording is clear and specific when approaching abstract subjects like pic related. I would be more specific but google docs apparently doesn't let me copypaste. I hope I'm coming across clearly enough without being able to quote you properly.

>>152602918
(cont) >>152603800
>an action
>two conflicting wills
>a singular will
What is a will? I'm trying to understand your exact point.
I haven't seen this notion in psychological context so far. I get the feeling that you're interpreting specific examples (maternal actions, subject relation) using the two-sided model. It's true that a singular action having two meanings doesn't mean the action is a result of two wills. But the "interpretation" here is with the purpose of distinguishing the universal archetypal qualities of the collective unconscious (NOT personal unconscious of anyone, any character). An archetype is not an instance of a will of a specific person and there are definitely two conflicting archetypes.

I can't believe you faggots are still talking about this masterpiece of animation

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>>152604845
There isn't really anything to fill the void.

>>152589701
Gabriel, Urara, LWA, Nyanko Days, Demi Chan, Maid Dragon and Konosuba

>>152604913
There are THREE monster girl SOLs airing this season and all of them are actually good. You couldn't ask for much more.

>>152604959
3?
Demi chan is 1, which are the other two?

>>152604959
>monster girl SOLs
I fail to see how these work as a substitue.

>>152604959
I still haven't seen an SOL I actually enjoyed all the way through. They're all some combination of cheap fanservice or comedies with less than 5 jokes.

Is there anything that's silly but still somewhat plot-based like ZBL, Natsuiro Kiseki, Ange Vierge, etc?

>>152589409
She wouldn't be able to feel it so I don't see that point.

Have you guys ever had a friend like Yayaka who just pretended to like you and then several years later told you it was all a lie and they were just using you for money or vidja or rides around town or something?

>>152605309
Demi chan, I'd describe it as relatively non low brow for anime standards, it's not pretentiously trying to avoid some stuff but rather it doesn't throw it in your face irresponsibly.
The characters are consistent and well rounded, and there's enough interesting exposition about their condition, dynamics, relationships and all that to be rather interesting.

It touches a bit into the psychology of the characters too, there's an attempt to connect their conditions, their ways of coping with it and their personalities and issues.
And it touches some themes with surprising maturity and straight forwardness.
I'd recommend it 100%.


I'd also recommend the dragon maid anime, but I do have to mention that it does the same but in a different way. Dragon maid shows hints of an interesting world and complex characters, but hides it behind a facade of silly SOL hijinks so much you might not even notice that stuff is there unless you pay attention and if you don't like the whacky parts you won't be able to enjoy most of the show's screentime.

>>152605170
maid dragon and maybe gabriel? dunno, i've only watched demi so far

>>152605528
Yayaka was a real friend and a total bro in the end.

>>152605528
I have no friends, not even fake ones.

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>>152589701
Hand Shakers of course

>>152604837
>What is a will? I'm trying to understand your exact point.
In philosophical language it'd be called an intention. Simply put, a general motivating factor behind an action.

I think that your distinction here:
>It's true that a singular action having two meanings doesn't mean the action is a result of two wills. But the "interpretation" here is with the purpose of distinguishing the universal archetypal qualities of the collective unconscious (NOT personal unconscious of anyone, any character).
means we've arrived at a misunderstanding. I've been using specific examples because it's much easier to explain (and understand) these concepts when they're applied than when they're general and abstract.


What I'm trying to say is that the two archetypes in conflict aren't really two archetypes, and that this is the entire point of the Great Mother. The Good Mother and the Terrible Mother are one in the same. Rather than being a categorization of two archetypes in opposition, they represent a spectrum of consequences of the relationship to a single archetype: The Great Mother. It's a paradox.

From my reading of your guide here, it appears that you've applied the archetype to Mimi in such a way that resolves the paradox in favour of one side of the duality subordinating the other, as though they're two distinct facets of a whole or two heads of a hydra competing for control of the body, which doesn't seem compatible with the archetype. The Great Mother isn't two sets of defining characteristics in competition with one another, it's a single continuum of characteristics that resolves as a set of seemingly contradictory outcomes in the subject relating to the archetype.

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>>152602896

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>>152589290
>>152591837

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>>152606124
DELET

>>152606124
>holes for two dicks that converge
SUPER gay, dude

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>>152606299

>>152605900
I see your point but I think I'm missing some of the background of your point.
In terms of fairy tales interpretation, the Good Mother and the Terrible Mother are just being considered as two extremes, and their close connection is an interpretive afterthought. The fact is you can't find a complicated character in fairy tales depicting the Great Mother archetype of paradoxical duality combining both the good and the bad sides instead you would find two separate simple characters depicting each side of the duality, which is a result of the concise and basic nature of fairy tales.
From this premise I don't the current write up is problematic though I would still like to incorporate the interpretive aspect of your point. I have to understand the missing background first.

>>152605900
>From my reading of your guide here, it appears that you've applied the archetype to Mimi in such a way that resolves the paradox in favour of one side of the duality subordinating the other, as though they're two distinct facets of a whole or two heads of a hydra competing for control of the body,


That might have been the way they actually chose to draw from the archetype to adapt it into the show though.
Since they used the whole concept of the switch in the show, it makes some sense too.

Basically they might have taken the existing concept which is one as you say, but divided it to fit the show's mechanics.

>>152606459
>In terms of fairy tales interpretation, the Good Mother and the Terrible Mother are just being considered as two extremes
This is a little harder to tackle because of course I am not Kawai. Reconciling what I understand to be the concept communicated by his account of the Great Mother and its application to fairytales might indicate a genuine flaw in his reasoning or my interpretation, or could simply be salvaged in the way he applies it.

If I had to offer a couple shots at the dark:

I recall Kawai bases his interpretation of Hansel and Gretel on the assumption that the story is a dream. The characters aren't experiencing their adventure in reality but are rather experiencing a sojourn into the collective unconscious. The characters which align to the dichotomy of the Great Mother, then, can be seen as personifications of what the child is receiving from the archetype: experiencing one mother as two fairytale figures which represent the disparate things, physical life-giving and mental death-dealing, as disparate entities. What is being represented here is defined by its relationship to the dreamer-character.

Actually, thinking things of this way, one could easily substitute "dream" for PI and arrive at a similar understanding for the two sides of Mimi.

>>152606748
That's also a possibility.
I would be tempted to see the 'x switch with y' thing to be the realm of the Shadow. In that sense I think there's a certain degree of overlap in Mimi, as she's clearly the Great Mother, yet also clearly experiencing a similar conflict of self that Iroha did.

The complex signifier here could be engaging both of these concepts, and technically speaking could possibly juggle both of them in the same divide (Good Mimi = Good Mother = Self, Evil Mimi = Terrible Mother = Shadow) without causing a direct conflict.

In that sense it might be useful to look at the characterization of Mimi as a character, where the shadow would be more relevant to exploring her in-narrative identity, and holding that in opposition to Mimi's role in the narrative, which is defined almost entirely through her relationship to Cocona (an obvious application of the mother archetypes we've been discussing).

I don't know if looking at things this way ends up with the concepts coming into contradiction, but it might be an interesting line of reasoning. I'd rather not jump to the conclusion that Oshiyama reinterpreted Kawai's ideas to fit the story's mechanics better because the story's mechanics are honestly quite flexible and Oshoiyama went out of his way to namedrop Kawai's as an influence work in interview and also make a rather reference to Kawai's work with Hanzel and Gretel in the ED. In the literary world we would describe that sort of jump to be an "ungenerous interpretation." That's not necessarily wrong, mind you, but I tend to be a generous interpreter.

Actually, while I'm pitching ideas:
Mimi retracting the ability to henshin was followed almost immediately by their new, stronger form of henshin. There's a moment of immediate character growth that follows the Great Mother retracting one of her forms of support, which I think could be seen as the instigation and fruition of cognitive development within CocoPapi.

>>152606868
>his account
As I can see this book of his (昔話の深層) is more educational than academic. He's using the interpretations to illuminate quite some IRL issues, in which case indeed a real mother's action often results in the paradoxical meanings. However, the point of Jungian psychologists interpreting it is not to appreciate the paradox of how it can be interpreted in conflicting ways rather it's to examine the general structure of the unconscious and distinguish the qualities in it.

In some context, perhaps the literary criticism context, the paradox looks more interesting.

>>152607693
>In some context, perhaps the literary criticism context, the paradox looks more interesting.
Well this did come up in a discussion of how these ideas relate to a character in fiction.
I think we can both agree that Flip Flappers was not intended to be educational. The ideas that appeared in it weren't simply being demonstrated, but applied for the purpose of creating meaning within the narrative.

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>this thread
Papis brain hurts.

>>152608068
Our understanding is now in full.
From the literary interpretation perspective the Great Mother archetype is a paradox and her actions are to be simultaneously interpreted using both aspects of the Great Mother archetype.
From the Jungian interpretation perspective the Great Mother archetype has two opposite aspects and psychologists see either good or evil characters in fairy tales representing the two aspects and examine them individually.

>>152608280
Bam, now I can go back to rewatching K-on.

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>>152606868
>I recall Kawai bases his interpretation of Hansel and Gretel on the assumption that the story is a dream. The characters aren't experiencing their adventure in reality but are rather experiencing a sojourn into the collective unconscious.

Sounds familiar.
Plus, the ending.
And all the themes.
So Flip Flappers really drew a ton of inspiration from those things I see.

>>152607571
>Mimi retracting the ability to henshin was followed almost immediately by their new, stronger form of henshin. There's a moment of immediate character growth that follows the Great Mother retracting one of her forms of support, which I think could be seen as the instigation and fruition of cognitive development within CocoPapi.

Yeah that's a very interesting point, it's exactly as you describe.
Mimi took away their powers, which she claims were coming from her since the beginning, but thanks to that they were able to come closer together than ever before and Cocona drew power from herself and they both reached the white henshin which was way stronger and it's how they ultimately defeated her.
Also they no longer needed her shards, they trusted in their own powers, on each other, and in the final part of the fight that was the means used to defeat her, just by believing in themselves or something animesque like that. At least one layer of it can be interpreted that way.

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>>152608153

>>152608649
Yeah, this is some standard mystic anime stuff. The powers in the show are imagination-based, and when the source is revealed to be another's power, it's a perfect time to have the characters grab agency for themselves (which obviously comes with a cool new design and what have you).

It's nice how they retroactively explain the costumes' butterfly motifs through this.

I miss
>himecock

>>152604553
Sorry I've put the doc aside for a while, been a busy few days since I had to work on weekend.

The current plan is for me to read up on the other anon's textdump, understand it, and put it into more accessible words. I'm good at explaining things I understand, I'm just not as good at actually getting to understand things.

At this moment the essay consist of two parts: mine, simple but wrong, and the other anon's, difficult but accurate. If we can manage to put these two together, we'll strike gold.

>>152609665
Sounds like the two of you have a dream team going. From what I read, the doc was really informative and insightful. It will be exciting to read when it's finally completed.

>>152609765
Can't wait to upboat it on reddit and share for likes on facebook

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>>152606124
The Cockona must be a literal geyser.

>>152610838
She was REALLY pent up.

>>152605309
>ZBL, Natsuiro Kiseki, Ange Vierge
Hot damn that's some apex preference right there.
Here's hoping 2017 will give us another gem on the level of those ones.

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Anyone still have the "you are my cocona" pasta in programming code?

>You will never cum on Yayaka's forehead
Why even live

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>>152612138
It's just within reach, anon. Give it your best shot.

>>152612138
I miss Yayaka so much already.

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>>152612138

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>>152613714
>>152614093

>so useless and indecisive she was replaced by a nearly naked loli that rides a donut

>>152598722
It's just "These are Yayaka's memories?" and "Hey wait what was that?"

>>152614210
what's the title

>>152614262
It's "9wa no are," which I would translate loosely as "the thing from episode 9."

>>152614355
lame, i reread it after i posted and figured it was something like that

>>152614387
indeed yayaka was pretty lame here

ok maybe it's time to let the threads go away for a while

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>>152615753
flip flaps never flop.