why was this guy a villain again? Why would you not want to live

>>152524521
Because something something "it's not normal" blah blah "well-meaning but radical motives" uhhhhhhhh "Naruto needs someone to fight so he can be the hero".

Also, which Madara are you talking about?

>>152524521
Because that would remove free will, and yknow how the Japs are about muh freedom and perseverance.

>they talk alot about it, but never practice what they preach.

Which Madara Uchiha do you mean?

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>>152524655
He couldn't talk about THAT Madara could he?

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>>152524521
He wasn't. Best boy almost saved us.

because the tree kills you

>>152524707
Of course he's talking about THE Madara.

>>152524777
Madara did nothing wrong. Kishimoto had to pull some monkey paw shit and Kaguya out of his ass because Madara was right all along. The Boruto manga flashforward makes this pretty obvious

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>>152524521
Because pain was a much better final villian and all
Uchiha are mary sues.

>I COULDN'T BE NINJA PRESIDENT SO I WANT TO TRAP EVERYONE IN THE NINJA MATRIX!
Great villain

Because like most villains, the method, the result, even the motive, are all questionable.

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>>152524521
What makes you think that any world someone else created could possibly my ideal world?

Madara was handsome.

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>>152525570
Madara was cute.

>>152524521
Shitty shounenshit writing.

>>152524521
His goal was escapism and it's totally not healthy

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>>152525570
>>152525725
Both actually.

>>152524521
>>152525458
Couldn't he just have brought in 2d waifus?
Everyone would have been happy.

>>152525863
My point exactly. He would bring in the wrong one and everything would be shit.

>>152524521
Normal people have a pretty good life generally and the bad stuff kind of enhances the good so the ideal life just feels off and unfulfilling.
You have a shit life so the strange feel is a small price to pay for some semblance of happiness

>>152524521
Because instead of actually trying to change the world and make it a better place, he decided to trap everyone in their dreams, despite people being so much against it that they went to war and died to stop him.
Even without all the Kaguya crap, he wasn't giving anyone a perfect world, he was just running away from everything he didn't like.

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>>152524521

>>152529197
Are all Uchihas shit or it's only the males? Salad seems surprisingly normal so far

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>>152530269
Girls are irrelevant in the ninja world.

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>>152530269
The only good Uchiha is a dead one.

>>152525855
That's Sasuke

>>152524521
Everyone gets trapped in a dream until their bodies die and gets assimilated into a giant tree. It sure sounds great.