Reminder that black stole the body of a goku that was already able to go SS3 and SSB.
Somebody explain this
Without resorting to Black jumping from SS1 to SSB with one zenkai
For all the illiterate toeifags
> why would black deliberately let himself get beaten up?
Zamasu and Black plan is to do 0 mortals throughout all timelines. Thats why they seek the ultimate body.
> zenkai boost is stupid
Zamasu stole the body of a goku that is from a post U6vU7 tournament in which goku already knew how to transform into ssblue. Trunks mentioned to have fought black ssj2 in the past. So black does know the various forms but since he bevame stronger in such a fast rate he didnt need to transform into higher levels to beat his oppenent.
> vegeta ssj2 > black ssj
> later black ssj < ssjblue vegeta
He was holding back and put on an act.
>black... was already able to go SS3
How long until SS3 Black makes his DB Heroes debut?
I thought Cell was coming back too? Did they just leave him out of this summary
How well are they going to do in the upcoming arc? Will they actually get a decent showing, or will their fights be Piccolo vs Frost tier?
>it's another Mangabros easily defend perceived inconsistencies in the newest chapter while dumb, smelly Toeipedro scum keep flailing about trying to make the manga look bad episode
>Zamasu stole the body of a goku that is from a post U6vU7 tournament
Not even giving one zenkai to "post U6vU7 tournament" Goku would make his SS1 STRONGER than SSB
This shit is ridiculous and you know it
>jumping up 2000 times your own power from a zenkai with 0 training is bullshit.
Black is a god, so he reach the godly SS form, makes totally sense if you ask me. Also (as other anons said) Black's body is DBS-Goku's, so of course can use SSB, Black is only learning how manage Goku's body to do something that already can do.
Also we are implying Rose's multiplier is the same as Blue's, which is only assumption. Rose's multiplier being weaker than Blue's would make totally sense if you think in the gap. Black already have a god soul, SSR only makes him totally recover his godly status, but Goku and Vegeta are totally mere mortals before use SSB. The natural gap between not godly Black forms and his SSGSS form is lesser than the gap between not godly Goku/Vegeta forms and their SSGSS form, so the multiplier can be lesser too
You fucking idiot.
There wasnt only one zenkai abuse.
Kaioshin mentions that they have been doing zenkai abuse for a long time.
He was taking punches, but he will still being pushed back. Point is Vegeta was winning there.
But SS Black beating SSB Vegeta is retarded beyond belief. Toyo outdid himself this time.
>He was taking punches, but he will still being pushed back. Point is Vegeta was winning there.
On base for black what mean if black turned SS there he would be able to beat the shit of vegeta too
Think a little more anon.
>There wasnt only one zenkai abuse.
>Kaioshin mentions that they have been doing zenkai abuse for a long time.
But only one since Trunks escaped.
Also why didn't Black go SS2 or 3 against Vegeta?
>SS Black beating SSB Vegeta is retarded
>some guy already stronger than SS3 Goku in his base form, beating a SSB as SS (FIFTY TIMES stronger than his base) is retarded
>But only one since Trunks escaped.
Wrong trunks says that black is stronger then the last time they fought and vegeta even says that at this stage trunks has no chance of beating black and that was when black was holding back against vegeta.
Why is 18 so skinny? What happened to Toriyama's old artstyle?
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The better question is why a blue haired alien made out of cooled jelly is singing a Christian Childrens song!!!!
If Manga Black could beat himself into oblivion so you can jump 4 SS levels (still stupid, but whatever), Goku and Vegeta should do the same
Except a lot of us accepted how Toyo fucked up with the power scaling the previous chapter. Too bad this last chapter Toyo explains the issue so there's nothing inconsistent :^)
Manga says that vegeta and probably goku as well cant abuse zenkai anymore. Since you ask all this nonsensical questions that were already explained throughout the leaks its safe to say you are a shitposter without knowing about what you're talking about
>4 SS levels
>still wrong about this
Are you even trying?
>Goku and Vegeta should do the same
>Goku and Vegeta should reach the strongest godly saiyan form as easily a real god does
Yeah, you aren't even trying anymore
>a god jumping from regular SS form to godly SS form from zenkai is wrong (also while Black's body already reached this form in the past, because is DBS Goku's body)
>but Cell jumping from semiperfect form to perfect form without #18 isn't
>Except, you know, jumping from SS1 to >>SSB, from zenkai
Base black toys with someone who is on par with a ssj3 goku. You know the last guy who did that beerus? Base black pre zenkai was already close to god power so him being above ssblue in ssj after zenkai is not that farfetched.
>Are you even trying?
SS Black vs Vegeta, Black loses
Black gets zenkai. Skips SS2, SS3 and gets stronger than SSB. As a regular fucking SS.
> STILL no SSR
Toyocucks will defend /o-our guy/
Even though that anon used a pic from the anime,Toriyama style has definitely changed over time.
Here is a poster he drew for the BoG movie. Compare that to his old style in the manga. He draws his characters a lot skinner now, especially the females.
>Black gets zenkai. Skips SS2, SS3 and gets stronger than SSB
Black didnt skip anything. He just doesnt need to use ss2/ss3 anymore. Trunks mentioned that he used ssj2 in thr past so he knows it. He just became so ridiculous strong that his base alone is enough to handle him.
>Cell jumping from semiperfect form to perfect form without #18 isn't
Are you actually defending Toyotaro's retarded zenkai boost because of this?
Toyocucks are not allowed to complain about the anime's stupid zenkai boosts anymore
I'm sure the fights will be good. DBS keeps improving. For a filler episode, the animation for the last episode had some really good shots. I'm sure there wilp be even better animation during the canon arc.
Also, why do people hate that fight so much. It wasn't horrible.
The ring, which seems huge if those are the stands next to it. Why there's the tower in the middle of it though, don't know
> SSB Vegeta jobbed to SS Black in the manga
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA O WOW
How can Vegeta recover from this??
>Black skipped his own SS2, and SS3
Black used ssj2 before. He didnt skip shit . He is just so strong he doesnt need to transform into them.
>yfw they also make each god fight in the tournament
that would bre great
>a god jumping from regular SS form to godly SS form from zenkai is wrong (also while Black's body already reached this form in the past, because is DBS Goku's body)
I'm still waiting for you to explain how can be "retarded"
>not allowed to complain about the anime's stupid zenkai boosts anymore
So you STILL doesn't realize why Black's zenkai are wrong in the anime? That's sad, man, you are even more retarded than I expected
>SS Black holding back vs Vegeta, Black loses on purpose
>Black gets zenkai so is even stronger now, he also fight seriously this time and wins
I don't see anything wrong.
>Skips SS2, SS3
Toriyama said SS2 and SS3 are SUBFORMS you sick fuck, the only main forms are SS and SSB (we know SSG isn't a main form since Vegeta doesn't need it in any version of DBS)
>Doesn't change the fact that Black skipped his own SS2, and SS3 with zenkai
Did you forget he has the body of a Goku that has already experienced the events of the multi tournament arc?
His base form is much stronger than current Goku's or Vegeta's without whatever extra potential Zamasu managed to unlock.
I like the anime version so far better of the trunks arc but I admit that the manga this time got everything right and even fixed the issue of the last chapter which really was confusing. I hope toyo uses goku ssblue kaioken one time until then I am an animefan.
>Frieza, Boo, Piccolo and even Vegeta
>not the superior Black/Zamasu pair or the superior fusion
You had one job Toei
> post-zenkai SS1 Black >>> SSB Vegeta
So post-zenkai SS2 Black would be EVEN stronger? How about SSR Black?
I think Toyo went too far here
>he skipped SS3
Vegeta did the same
It's all for Z nostalgia + Piccolo
still hoping for Demon King Piccolo because he's probably my favourite villain alongside Frieza and Zamasu/Black
>How about SSR Black?
Can't wait for Vegeta to job against pregnancy next week.
Yea but Vegeta went though intense Angel training for mastering ki control
Zenkai shouldn't be enough to jump from SS2 to SSB
Because his body wasn't strong enough, after the Zenkai he was able to go Rose.
I understand Black is already a god. But he still didn't do any training for mastering ki control. If he only needed to apply his god ki + SS, then why did he even go SS?
Also it doesn't change the fact that Black jumped his power 2000x (or more) from only zenkai.
If the anime did this, mangafags would never shut up about it
>not posting the full version
Also manga version when?
I was only posting it because Vegeta got the most Blacked
>If the anime did this
Which the anime did.
Went from being weaker then ssj2 goku to ssrose. Which wasnt an issue. The issue was the stupidity of his zenkai. He got zenkai boost after every beat up and not near death exp which it should be.
>If the anime did this, mangafags would never shut up about it
They made a big deal about Base Black taking punches from SSB Vegeta, even though he was still at the disadvantage
Anime Black got Zenkai too.
It just was nowhere near as much as Manga Black's Zenkai
Zenkai boost have always been all over the place. Which everyone accepted it. Problem is the difference between reasonable zenkai use and completely shitty zenkai use.
Manga uses => the canon near death exp to get it.
Anime=> hurr durr t you punched me a bit now I am strong
But Goku got BLACKED the same times Vegeta did, Goku:
>in front of Chichi and Goten
>after Black landed his Kamehameha on Goku and Trunks while Zamasu was grabbing them
>after that sword attack
>stabbed by SSR Black
>kicked by Black and Zamasu
>getting hit by the lightning trying to protect Trunks
>It just was nowhere near as much as Manga Black's Zenkai
Wtf are you talking about? Black went from his base form to ssrose after he sparked with ssj2. And he didnt even experience near death. He just got beat a couple of times.
>mastering ki control
"Super magical ki control" thing is only in the anime, we doesn't know how manga-SSGSS works
>Also it doesn't change the fact that Black jumped his power 2000x (or more) from only zenkai
1 You know the whole point of this post >>152437351 is point about why SSR Black being thousands times stronger than SS Black isn't necessarily a fact, right?
2 His raw power doesn't increase so much, is about multiplier of forms. Post zenkai SS Black is stronger than pre zenkai SS Black, but not thousands times at all
>He skipped ssj/ssj2/ssj3
explain. Also anime makes less sense since rose is supposed to be ssgss but for black because of zamasu's ki. But he never went ssj which you need to actually become ssgss.
Vegeta fucking abuses Zenkai all of the fucking time when he trains.
It's just that the benefits from Zenkai FAR outweigh the benefits once you get past the half million mark.
Vegeta found that out pretty damned quick during the Trunks saga when he realized that he was no closer to going SSJ no matter how hard he trained in the same manner on top of abusing zenkai by almost killing himself during training.
Black being able to abuse it infinitely is fucking retarded and breaks WAY TO MUCH canon and internal logic for it to get a free pass.
It simply does not work.
Training for a few months in a gravity chamber is far more beneficial then letting yourself get beaten up and healing nonstop during that time.
Zenkais arne't that powerful.
It's like getting noob gains from exercise. Sure you'll gain like ridiculous amounts of muscle and look like a calvin klein model and be able to bench press 200+ pounds after the first year. But once you're passed that point you'll be lucky to get even an extra 5 pounds of muscle or be able to bench 250 pounds with even a year of hard consistent training.
Zenkais have a hard and fast ceiling of diminishing returns that can not be overcome outside of just outright fucking bullshit where they ask the dragon to make it so that zenkais are a thousand times more powerful and he can heal instantly.
But at that point why don't they just ask for the ability to get more powerful no matter what?
>Zamasu tells you to commence zero ningen keikaku
Post your smug.
> beong this autistic
You really think zenkai is this complicated? There is actually nothing behind it then just the fact that it serves as plot convenience to make the heroes chatch up faster. Or in other case make the villain strong. Cell/Black
That's not the point.
Black got wrecked against Vegeta. Against Goku it was much closer.
And when it happened in the anime, mangafags were giving it shit for the ridiculous jump. Now that it happened in the manga, they are defending it
He absorbed gokus cells remember.
That's how he was able to teleport and got the power boost.
And even after he got his ALL POWERFUL ZENKAI BOOST(Which by the way only work up to a certain level with any one saiyajin who's never experienced it and once passed a certain powerlevel is almost negligible in importance) on top of getting Goku's cells he was STILL getting outright punished by SSJ2 Gohan.
Zenkai isn't an infinite well of insane power ups.
>Black got wrecked against Vegeta. Against Goku it was much closer.
Follow the thread before posting shit. This has been explained numerous times now. Black held back to get a zenkai boost out of it.
Also anime makes no sense for black becoming so strong. Since he wasnt even near death to unlock anproper zenkai
It's a plot convenience that is so broken that it can be used infinitely and without end.
Toriyama talked less about it and showed that Zenkai boosts had diminishing returns for all that used them for a reason.
>for the ridiculous jump
Because anime jump is ridiculous. Base Black goes from SS2 tier to (at least) SSG tier (also wasn't a real zenkai, but a retarded asspull one). He also reachs Rose, but nobody complaining about it.
In the manga, Black reachs Rose too, there's nothing wrong with it (as in the anime), but his zenkai itself isn't so big because SS Black was already far above SS2 Vegeta.
Anime-Black got a zenkai and jump from SS2 tier to at least SSG tier (he also reach Rose, but that's a different issue).
Manga-Black got a zenkai and jump from some point between SS2 Vegeta tier and SSB Vegeta tier to above SSB Vegeta (he also reach Rose, but that's a different issue too).
Manga zenkai itself isn't necesarily big, the point of this moment is the form he reach. Anime zenkai isn't only a cheated zenkai, is a ridiculous boost from SS2 tier to SSG tier
Toyo can only seem to work in extremes:
> Have a villain job, to the point where it's humiliating
> Have the villain receive an extreme zenkai boost, to the point where SS > SSB
He needs to find some middle ground here.
>Have a villain job, to the point where it's humiliating
But it was all according to black's plan.
As for the huge zenkai boost same shit happened in the anime or maybe worse since it wasnt even a proper zenkai.
Who's "you guys"? I'm not complaining about anything. In fact, my first post in this entire discussion was towards the anon who claimed Manga!Black >> Anime!Black. >>152438567
>> Have a villain job, to the point where it's humiliating
I admit I had a problem with it at first but after the explanation of this chapter it makes sense.
>> Have the villain receive an extreme zenkai boost, to the point where SS > SSB
Black ss > vegeta ssblue
Different people different strength.
Reminder pre zenkai black base > ssj3 goku
The fight itself according to the leaks looks boring as fuck compared to the anime but plot wise it makes a lot more damn sense then the anime and I love the anime above the boring ass manga. Wish the two could just work it out together and get shit done
you know black brushing ofg vegeta's hits in anime would make sense if goku had beat the shit out of him in blue form but.... he kicked his ass in ss2 form. it's stupidly odd that he got a ridiculous zenkai boost from that.
I think I can see Toriyama's outline...
>Black fights SS2 Goku/Vegeta and is clearly defeated and wins a zenkai
>later, Black fights SSB Vegeta at same level, this even hiding his Rosé form
How Toyoyato handle this? Makes Black pretend be weaker than SS2 Vegeta so is defeated, and he wins a zenkai so now is able to fight SSB Vegeta, because now is fighting seriously, Zenkai power boost isn't necessarily big, the point is Black have SSR now to surpass Vegeta even more.
How Toei handle this? Makes Black actually lose against SS2 Goku and he wins a zenkai so now is able to fight SSB Vegeta, because the zenkai boost Black from SS2 tier to SSB tier. Zenkai power boost is ridiculously big, and Black have SSR now to surpass Vegeta even more.
Toyotaro writing is clearly superior, Toei can't handle Toriyama outline (this also ignoring inconsistencies like Black losing to SS2 Goku after Trunks said he's stronger than SS3 Goku or the magical cheated zenkai. Also Trunks being stronger than Goku and Vegeta in a "semigod" form makes sense in the manga because Trunks' base is stronger than Goku and Vegeta's, but in the anime a "semigod" form is stronger than the real god because reasons. Even stronger than Vegetto)
We can't even have one fucking thread without you autists arguing can we?
You faggots have been going back and forth in every thread for months now. Just enjoy whatever version you want and accept that others may enjoy the opposite. Is that really so hard? I like this series but the threads on /a/ are pure fucking cancer.
People who are more knowledgable, is it true that Toriyama hates Vegeta? Has there ever been any evidence of this?
Vegeta despite being the Prince of All Saiyans, doesn't have same the same traits as Goku, at least on Z, pic related
>extreme zenkai boost
That was in the anime, manga-Black was already faaaar above SS2 Vegeta, maybe he was SSG tier all this time and the zenkai just make it a bit stronger. Even if you believe SS was actually just a bit stronger than SS2 Vegeta, is a lesser gap.
>goes from SS2 tier to SSB tier
>goes from some tier above SS3's to SSB tier
- Ultra SS1
- FP SS1
- SSG/ Rage
- SSB/ Rosé
I don't care if Black got zenkai-boosted. A SS1 should NEVER be able to beat a SSB/Rosé
>Cell beat the ever-loving fuck out of Vegeta
>Vegeta rages and swears revenge
>By the end of the Cell Games, Cell has Vegeta completely terrified of him
How can you compete with perfection?
Too much sodium is bad for you, anon.
Reminder toei keeps fucking up.
Cant sustain ssj.
He is just adapting to the times really. Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z are apart of the 80s and 90s where drawing huge buff dudes and busty girls were all the rage.
Modern style is skinny dudes and small cute girls.
I don't like it but I do not blame him either, drawing the same shit must be boring if you don't mix up the style.
You know what would be fucking cool? If they actually used the environment to full advantage.
Like going in and out of buildings and fighting up stairs and crashing through walls, trying to fight away the debris and the opponent.
Would be cool as fuck to see.
It's less about wanting to bother someone than the rationale that at least this way you can be a steady presence in their already pained lives. Still inefficient though.
>I'm not a robot/android/nanomachine being/battle cyborg
Reminder that Piccolo almost beat Frost in the anime
Reminder that SSJ Gohan is actually way stronger than Piccolo in the anime
Reminder that SSJ Gohan vs. Frost would have been a victory for Gohan
Potential unleashed was a mistake
I know multipliers
Doesn't make it any less stupid.
Black is really just Goku's body after all. Him being stronger than SSB as a SSR can make sense, not a normal fucking SS >>> SSB
4chan complains about powerlevels which reddit/kanzenshuu seem to accept as it is.
Reddit complaints about mafuba.
Kanzenshuu about how black personality isnt as flamboyant as in the anime.
Really makes you think
It would've made more sense if post-zenkai SS Black was just a bit weaker, or maybe on par with SSB Vegeta. I'd even forgive it if he was just a bit stronger.
But not the point where a SS can toy around with a SSB.
We dont know how strong ss black was if he genuinely fought vegeta at that time. We do know that he was holding back and let himself get punched. Dont forget he managed to eat up a lot of punches from ssblue vegeta while holding back.
>Zenkais are the key to being more perfect
I want Cell to return. Fuck Frieza, Cell was the best.
Just one anon who doesnt get it and keeps repeating himself
Poorly executed in the anime so they are probably afraid for such a repeat but its not an issue
> black's personality
Pure faggotry who gives a fuck
Damn yea that was my favorite aspect of him. Oh well
His flamboyant personality + savagery made Black one of my favorite villains
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Yes it is you fucking retard.
SSJ forms are 100% linear.
And SSJRage is on every level a beyond fucking stupid form and the utterly retaraded reasons for him getting mad and finally unlocking it(because seeing his mother, his woman, and his world butchered apparently wasn't enough) is outright faggotry.
>Yes it is you fucking retard.
>SSJ forms are 100% linear.
No they arent you pathetic moron.
Ssj 1/2/3 stack multipliers
Also trunks managed to get an ssj2 that is equal to goku's ssj3 when fully powering up. Just like how goku/gohan managed to surpass their initial ssj form. Instead of going ascended or ultra.
Now shut your whore mouth you braindead sperg
SSJ isn't him releasing his true power.
It's a bandaid/training wheels form that he uses to get around the fact that he's been a lazy cunt for the last few years.
You know how frieza doesn't have power up forms but only physically unleashes his true power in steps? It's the same for gohan.
It's the same for Gohan.
He doesn't need the SSJ forms, he only needs to power up and he'll grow on an exponential yet steady way and release his true well beyond SSJ3 power levels and the levels of invulnerability and strength those forms have without having to use ki tricks.
The skills and techniques that Goku uses to even the playing field and even overcome Frieza are the only thing that can bridge the gap between him and the mutant invulnerable and super strong body of Frieza.
Who, has been revealed to be a completely shit fighter who litterally depended on his overwhelming power to beat people.
With that in mind, theoretically, the laser blast that punched a hole through Goku in RoF?
Gohan, in his true form would have been able to tank that with ease.
Best and most disturbing part?
He doesn't have the ki drain that a SSJ form will have. That's all him.
It is outright fucking stated that he got cells from goku and only a moderate boost to his power from a zenkai.
He will probably never see a power boost of any appreciable level from zenkais ever again.
And he STILL got his shit pushed in by a one armed Gohan.
Cell fucking sucked. Perfect cell was the fucking WEAKEST part of the cell saga and should have stayed the disturbing and scary looking bug man he was when he first showed up.
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the other got deleted by Zeno
When Vegetto arrived in his field, he put his hands on the soil. He felt a sort of nostalgia overcoming him. He saw smaller hands, the hands of a child plowing a field with difficulty. Dazed, he closed his eyes for a few seconds then opened them to see his own hands. He felt a tear in the corner of his eyes, but he didn’t rub it off. With rage, he put his hands in the ground and started working, his mind elsewhere…
Further, Kulilin bustled about working as fast as he could. After half an hour, he allowed himself a short break. He had plowed about thirty miles square of field, he could rest a bit, couldn’t he? He exhaled heavily and let himself fall on the ground, his eyes focused on the blue sky. Memories of Gokû and him came back from time to time. No matter how he liked Vegetto, it wasn’t the same… On the other hand, he had none to blame for anything… After all, there was no one to blame… Besides, it had been only a few months that he had been gone. Time would heal. Kulilin closed his eyes that tears had filled at the thought of his best friend, almost his brother… After a while, he dried his tears with his sleeves then got back up and stretched. Those fields weren’t going to plow themselves!
>No they arent you pathetic moron.
>Ssj 1/2/3 stack multipliers
No they don't you stupid faggot.
You get a different multiplier with each form, you just don't get a random addition of more numbers to multiply by!
That's not and has never been how it fucking works you retard.
>Also trunks managed to get an ssj2 that is equal to goku's ssj3 when fully powering up. Just like how goku/gohan managed to surpass their initial ssj form. Instead of going ascended or ultra.
Trunks SSJ forms in Super have never at any point made any goddamned sense.
His SSJ2 being stronger then Gokus SSJ3 has been called outright bullshit in every fucking corner of the fucking fandom.
The only ONLY way for his SSJ2 to be more powerful or equal to SSJ3 is if that motherfucker is RETARDED powerful in baseform.
And no one NO FUCKING ONE believes that Base Trunks is stronger then Base Goku or Base Vegeta.
It's not even HINTED AT in the manga or the goddamned anime.
He doesn't go SSJ3 because they think SSJ3 is ugly and they want their pretty easily recognizable SSJ2 form Trunks to sell to the Fujos.
>Now shut your whore mouth you braindead sperg
You litterally do not understand the most basic 10+ sword is stronger then 1+ dagger tier power level in all of fucking shounen.
You are broken stupid.
SSJ Blue has fuck all to do with the normal SSJ forms.
It is literally just using SSJ but with "God ki".
And that really annoyed Vegetto. Come on, the second strongest being in the whole universe spent his free time with books!
“Please, a little fight!”
“We'll make the Earth shake another time, dad. I've many things to do since Pan's birth. The administration is requesting completely stupid things! Do you know that because of her grand-father, she's considered a princess? It doesn't give her any privilege, but I still have to fill up the files.”
“Pleaaaase! I'd like to see you motivated for once! We can go on Jupitron-9? The air is breathable and the gravity is 200G! We can break anything we want there!”
“What? A gravity of 200 times Earth gravity?”
“Ah ah! I knew you'd be interested!”
“So it means that the gravitational acceleration reaches 1962 meter per second squared! I don't think that rock or earth can take such an heavy pressure. I wonder what is it made of.”
“And how can the air be breathable? The oxygen should at least be liquid on that planet. I suppose it's still dangerous for the body.”
“But what are you babbling? The air is breathable, that's all there is to know! Bra didn't complain about it.”
“What? You had your little girl support that pressure??? But she weighed about 25 500 Newton over there!”
(Little game, for you, readers: what is Bra's weigh in pounds/kilograms when she get on a scales?)
“Gohan, what you're saying doesn't make sense. All I can tell you is that Bra and I survive very well when we go there. Anyway, I can see you're in no mood for a serious fight. You never are.”
“Eh... yes, dad. I'm sorry, but fighting isn't my favourite pastime.”
“I know. Yet you never fought better than years back, when you fought against Buu, Ah, I remember that one! Motivation can change everything with you!”
“Eh, I guess so. So, I've to go dad. Dad...? Are you ok?”
Vegetto had just stopped moving, his fingers were contracted and looked like claws.
“I... huh.. no, it's nothing. I'm going. See you later, my son.”
And he teleported himself.
Holy shit the retardation in this post is over 9000.
Trunks ssj2 wasnt the only onr who surpasses goku ssj3. Vegeta managed to do so too. But keep being a frustrated permavirgin and keep giving us this comedy gold faggot
>Frieza should have stayed 3rd form
>Vegeta should have stayed Great Ape
>His SSJ2 being stronger then Gokus SSJ3 has been called outright bullshit in every fucking corner of the fucking fandom.
Says who? Tumblr thats probably where you belong retard.
And fucking Goku is a saiyajin.
And it outright fucking screams in your fucking face that he gets the new teleportation powers + power boost from absorbing gokus fucking cells.
The zenkai was at best probably fucking minor.
Because if it was as insanely potent as it's been shown in Super he'd have been well beyond Gohan in power levels. Maybe even part of the way to being strong enough to take on both Buu saga Goku and Vegeta while in their SSJ2 forms.
>Trunks ssj2 wasnt the only onr who surpasses goku ssj3. Vegeta managed to do so too. But keep being a frustrated permavirgin and keep giving us this comedy gold faggot
Vegeta's fucking power up is the standard "I"M FUCKING PISSED" or "WERE ALL GONNA FUCKING DIE" short term power up that Vegetta ALWAYS FUCKING GOT
SSJ2 being stronger then SSJ3 is bullshit on every fucking level.
Dude it's fucking everywhere. I dont' know what bubble you're in, but you need to pop that shit and go outside of it.
SSJ2 Trunks beating SSJ3 Goku is considered lore breaking retardation of the highest level.
Actually, if vegeta kept his great ape form he might have put up a half decent and visually interesting fight against final form frieza.
Lastly, yeah he should have. He was more visually distinctive and interesting. Creepy as fuck in a cool way.
ladies and gentlemen your multiversal tournament MVP
>Vegeta is Saiyan
Yes it is.
These threads and the hardcore fan pages that are filled with shills are hugboxes.
Future trunks saga is loathed. Even Toei is doing everything in their power to ignore that shit.
Even went with kicking Trunks out of the fucking universe at the end instead of just sending him off with Jaco to have space adventures in gokus universe.
Future Trunks and his oh so popular SSG tier RAGE MODE(lol)aren't fighting in the tournament with the rest of the Z fighters!!
The zenkais was everything & the manga didn't mention anything to do with Goku's cells being absorbed. Cell's self destructive reduced him to only a few cells, far worse than anything the others took.
Nah not really. They might not discuss poeerlevels but they are.much more autistic and triggered about other little things. Like for exempe goku piloting the time machine. So if you want some debate about that go there
At no fucking point does it indicate that he's as or more powerful then Gohan. Only that he's powered up LIKE Gohan. A Zenkai boost you silly twat.
Also, did you forget that he attained the teleportation technique from Goku's cells as well as a boost in power from him too?
I stand by what I said.
Zenkai has never been as potent as it's been displayed in Super right now. And it also has almost instant diminishing returns meaning that after one single boost the boosts you get after that go down dramatically and exponentially.
Otherwise Vegeta should have been strong enough to go toe to toe with Namek saga SSJ1 Goku in his base form after the kind of life threatening training that he's done during the Trunks and Android.
You know, where did it say anything about Goku's cells? Why not Vegeta if it means Saiyans? Maybe even Nappa if he's there. That cited page is pretty clear, it was a zenkai.
People have learned techniques instantly from others before. Goku's first Kamehameha was that along with Solar Flare, etc. Fat & Kid Buu learned the Kamehameha just as fast & the latter also learned Instantaneous Movement from Kibito Kai just as fast.
Even Cell used the time machine just pushing botons, you moron. Even Goten can use the time machine, even ToeiGoku, the most retarded character in DBS, can use the time machine
Cell got their techniques from the cells of the Z fighters.
It's fucking outright stated in the manga and anime.
It's his fucking thing.
It's why he's called fucking cell for gods sake.
And you can't pick up complex techniques like that from simply watching. If that were the case then Krillian or anyone watching would have been able to use the teleportation technique or kaioken technique.
Training for moths at 100x gravity in Dr.Briefs space ship was strong shit.
The Zenkais helped a fuckton but they have real diminishing returns like I said.
You think Cell learned the teleportation technique from a Zenkai or are you saying something else.
I hope you're talking about something else becaue if it's the former then I'm sorry.
I think you should leave the thread.
>Suddenly you're in the body of someone who was grown on a tree
>You've spent your whole life a monkey and couldn't even control your races shared birthright
>The equivalent of mirror universe edgelord King Kai steals your body for funsies
>How dead are you?
You're just bullshitting now & jumping subjects. The point is that Cell's post self-destruction power up was from a Zenkai, not absorbing Goku's cells. Cell was closer to death there than anyone else due to being reduced to single cells.
A fucking living chaos elemental that's older then the fucking universe who is feared partially because he can do such things is a special fucking case.
It's not the kamehawave or even a simple ki attack. That shit is something that takes a fuckton of knowledge and training to pull off.
Buu don't need that shit.
He's immortal basically invincible bubble gum with infinite ki reserves and real magic powers
They're far stronger than anything Vegeta got despite earth being one of the only times Vegeta got his ass kicked at that point in life. Frieza's scientists were surprised at Vegeta's injuries.
Give me one dbz youtuber that is more ugly and a clickbait slut then pic related.
HARD MODE: no fornever world
>there are people unironically watching the shitty nu-Dub in 2016 with garbage tier new voice actors and schemmel and sabbat phoning it in
Well yeah. Because with the sensu beans and Dende it was a completely broken plot device.
So the only way to downplay it was to have a once or twice super boost of power followed by real diminishing returns to the point where it only increases their power by negligible amounts if at all.
Vegeta fully took advantage of Zenkai boosts by nearly killing himself in the same way goku did on his trip to Namek and gained more power. But it was and will never be as potent as it was the first few times it happened.
That is the only logical explanation for it in my opinion.
It's canon that cell gets his strength from the cells of the fighters that make up his body. Not from training and not from fusions.
The Zenkai boost he got was considerable, but most of his strength came from goku's cells.
The powering up like gohan might even elude to him getting something akin to ssj2...but it's outright stated that he's barely able to hold his own against Gohan once Gohan gets serious.
Meaning that the Zenkai only brought him up to almost even with a non serious unpowered up one armed Gohan.
>the only time two ssj2 were ever seen fighting was during cell vs gohan and goku vs majin vegeta
why wasn't super saiyan vs super saiyan more popular? they were the best fights in the show
a face not even a mother could love
I don't understand what you're even saying right now.
Does this have anything do with me stating that Buu is a special case when it comes to picking up skills by watching or is this one of those times where some one who's blown out tries to shift the argument to something neither one of us is arguing to secure some kind of victory?
Yeah, that's...that's my point.
Zenkai's lose their potency after they've been abused enough times.
Diminishing returns means that something will stop being as good if you keep doing it. Like eating ice cream.
No, go away.
Cell gets power from Gero's genetic engineering & absorbing people including the androids.
Most of his strength? Frieza's there, so is King Cold. It's explicitly stated that Goku's cells were gathered during the Saiyan saga so even Vegeta would have contributed more if it was simple addition.
That's arguable. Cell mentioned he was screwing around until the Solar Kamehameha. We really don't know.
Said injured Gohan needed Vegeta's help and distraction to win. Given how Vegeta caused him to become injured, Vegeta better have helped.
What does Toriyama have against Vegeta?
What I meant was that despite Vegeta getting minimal zenkai boosts due to rarely being injured & Goku being beaten near death multiple times, Goku's zenkais were far beyond Vegeta's single zenkai.
>Cell gets power from Gero's genetic engineering & absorbing people including the androids.
Cell gets his fucking power from the cells of the beings he's comprised of. And yes he powers up by ABSORBING PEOPLES CELLS!!
>Most of his strength? Frieza's there, so is King Cold. It's explicitly stated that Goku's cells were gathered during the Saiyan saga so even Vegeta would have contributed more if it was simple addition.
That makes fuck all sense.
It's not a "MORE CELLS FROM THIS PERSON MEANS MORE STUFF GOTTEN FROM THEM" Once gero's bugs get a few of their cells they have everything they need.
And once Cell absorbs the cells of anyone while reforming, he'll get their techniques.
Which sort of says that cell should have stayed in his first form. Seeing as how he can get stronger from eating people and gain the techniques of people he eats as well.
>That's arguable. Cell mentioned he was screwing around until the Solar Kamehameha. We really don't know.
Not arguable at all.
He got his shit caved in by a one armed serious Gohan who was weakened from the fight.
>Said injured Gohan needed Vegeta's help and distraction to win. Given how Vegeta caused him to become injured, Vegeta better have helped.
To be honest, Gohan could have won that shit anyway. He didn't sneak in and shoot him in the face with a one armed kameahawave, he overpowered him with his attack.
He's based on an old asshole karate instructor he had as a kid. He hated that guy.
But Vegeta, once he obtained the knowledge of what Zenkai's were started going extra hard with his training. Even almost dying multiple times to get stronger from the training AND get that much wanted zenkai boost.
He can no longer get a massive zenkai boost from near dying that he gained during the frieza saga. He went to the well on that one too many times.
Post the page bitch.
Right fucking now.
You do not spontaneously gain new fucking techniques from Zenkai boosts.
They aren't going by RPG rules where you get to use a greyed out technique once you get to level 10.
He got it from absorbing goku's cells.
I swear to god I read it from some translated article from a fansite a while ago.
But I never doubted the voracity of the claims.
Toriyama states that every single villian in DBZ is based on someone he hated or an old boss of some kind.
>absorbed people's cells
If by cells you mean energy, yes. He sucks their energy after stabbing them with his tail.
>And once Cell absorbs the cells of anyone while reforming, he'll get their techniques.
Citation. This "more cells" headcanon isn't supposed by the manga.
You said that Goku's cells made up the majority of Cell's power, those cells were obtained when Goku fought Vegeta in the Saiyan saga. Piccolo noticed that his Kamehameha was weak during their fight.
>one armed serious Gohan
And Kid Buu was defeated by SSJ Goku. Gohan had Goku's support & Vegeta's help. It was far from a straight up 1v1.
>He didn't sneak in and shoot him in the face with a one armed kameahawave, he overpowered him with his attack.
That would be impossible given how Cell ISed in.
Vegeta knew of Zenkais far longer and sooner than Goku. All Goku knew was that when he became close to death, he gets stronger for some reason. Vegeta & Frieza's men knew that saiyans did that for years.
Your belief is wrong.
>If by cells you mean energy, yes. He sucks their energy after stabbing them with his tail.
Look at all of that fucking energy he's absorbing. Notice how his tail bulges as it extracts the energy of that man.
>>And once Cell absorbs the cells of anyone while reforming, he'll get their techniques.
>Citation. This "more cells" headcanon isn't supposed by the manga.
The manga and anime and all supplemental stuff says he got all of his fucking techiques and powers from the cells of all of the strongest fighters on earth.
>You said that Goku's cells made up the majority of Cell's power, those cells were obtained when Goku fought Vegeta in the Saiyan saga. Piccolo noticed that his Kamehameha was weak during their fight.
No. I fucking didn't. Not at any point did I say that.
I stated that he gained his power boost, along with the teleportaion technique, from absorbing goku's cells after he exploded him on king kais planet.
>>one armed serious Gohan
>And Kid Buu was defeated by SSJ Goku.
Kid buu was defeated by a fucking genki dama you disengenuous cunt.
>Gohan had Goku's support & Vegeta's help. It was far from a straight up 1v1.
The father son kamehawave was pretty much gohan with goku lending support. Not power. Vegeta did fuck all except make up for looking like a stupid cunt at the last second.
Gohan could have taken him out without his help.
>>He didn't sneak in and shoot him in the face with a one armed kameahawave, he overpowered him with his attack.
>That would be impossible given how Cell ISed in.
No, it would have been VERY possible.
Basically outright screams that he got his teleportion and power boost from goku.
His zenkai was fairly high but not even close to enough to boost it that high.
And him learning fucking Instant Transmission from a zenkai or merely watching when it's fucking canon that he learned every single goddamned technique he knows from the cells of the people he's made up of? '
He's not a good fighter. He's a fucking parrot that mimics fighting skills of and calls on the experiences of the people he's absorbed.
He fucking doesn't really understand them he just knows how to use them.
Learning a new way to use ki =/= learning something as unique and utterly broken as the instant transmission or kaioken.
It is not the same at all.
He is using a technique that none of the Z fighters have been able to use even after having seen it for years and decades now. Not even gods.
He had to have gotten it from goku's cells.
>Broly as a baby survives a planet explosion, travels at FTL speeds in order to reach a new planet and shows he can breathe in space
>RSSJ can destroy a Galaxy
>LSSJ is stronger
>gets Zenkai in M10 so even his SSJ is as strong as his LSSJ form was in M8
>that's without a single day of training in his life
>and base LSSJ
Cell is a joke
>tfw illiterate still here
>life as energy
>tfw other anon can actually read
Yeah he's fucking eating those people with his tail and absorbing their life force from there.
What is there to get?
I also suppose that all he got from EATING Lapis and Lazuli were their LIFE FORCE right?
Energy. Bulging energy shit. Come on.
That means he can't learn thorough other means? He didn't get all of them from genetics only. Just about everyone makes their own variations on techniques all the time. This includes Cell's barrier.
And the manga says a zenkai did it & without mentioning any absorption.
And Cell was beaten by a Gohan with lots of help.
Gohan would have beaten Cell's Kamehameha without Vegeta? Vegeta's distraction was the chance Gohan needed.
Nope. IS is instant. So many people couldn't react to it.
Friendly reminder to Cellfags
>Can we expect a Dragon Ball Resurrection ‘C’ movie, since Cell is the next Dragon Ball villain?
>Yamamuro: (laughs) As an animator, I would not like that, since Cell's complicated design is really hard to draw. When he is standing still, it doesn't matter, but when he is moving, because of all the spots on his body, it takes so long to draw him every time. You have to calculate how he's going to move perfectly, and then you have to check and recheck the result every time. That's so much work!
He won't appear in episode 75
>normal people = too weak
>17 & 18 are okay because stronger
>Cell after Zenkai was still able to be perfect without 18
How does this make you feel, /a/?
Or have him as a voice just psychologically screwing with the characters inadequacies like a low rent Freddy Krueger. Most vicious shit you can write from the mouth of the Perfect Lifeform.