Dragon ball super

>>152435439
ZAMASU?

is Black still gay in the manga?

>>152435524
No dad, NO!

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Somebody explain this

Without resorting to Black jumping from SS1 to SSB with one zenkai

>>152435388
For all the illiterate toeifags

> why would black deliberately let himself get beaten up?
Zamasu and Black plan is to do 0 mortals throughout all timelines. Thats why they seek the ultimate body.

> zenkai boost is stupid
Zamasu stole the body of a goku that is from a post U6vU7 tournament in which goku already knew how to transform into ssblue. Trunks mentioned to have fought black ssj2 in the past. So black does know the various forms but since he bevame stronger in such a fast rate he didnt need to transform into higher levels to beat his oppenent.

> vegeta ssj2 > black ssj
> later black ssj < ssjblue vegeta
He was holding back and put on an act.

>>152435592
Yes.

Reminder that Gohan is Goku's mediocre son

I LOVE BILLSSAMA!

>>152435618
What ho Goku Black, might you cast us a spell?

>>152435388
>black... was already able to go SS3
How long until SS3 Black makes his DB Heroes debut?

>>152435211
I thought Cell was coming back too? Did they just leave him out of this summary

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How well are they going to do in the upcoming arc? Will they actually get a decent showing, or will their fights be Piccolo vs Frost tier?

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>it's another Mangabros easily defend perceived inconsistencies in the newest chapter while dumb, smelly Toeipedro scum keep flailing about trying to make the manga look bad episode

>>152435683
No room for worst villain

>>152435388
>new god leaked
>is another cat
Torifags will defend this

POST YOUR FACE WHEN WE GET A SON GOKU, ROSHI AND KRILLING TEAM KAMEHAMEHA

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Welp, Krillin has PTSD again.

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>>152435618

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>>152435623
>Zamasu stole the body of a goku that is from a post U6vU7 tournament

Not even giving one zenkai to "post U6vU7 tournament" Goku would make his SS1 STRONGER than SSB

This shit is ridiculous and you know it

>post yfw the last arc of super is a GT crossover

>>152435618
>>152435759

BTFO

>>152435618
The same way base Black can take punches from SSB Vegeta and laugh

>>152435448
>jumping up 2000 times your own power from a zenkai with 0 training is bullshit.
Black is a god, so he reach the godly SS form, makes totally sense if you ask me. Also (as other anons said) Black's body is DBS-Goku's, so of course can use SSB, Black is only learning how manage Goku's body to do something that already can do.

Also we are implying Rose's multiplier is the same as Blue's, which is only assumption. Rose's multiplier being weaker than Blue's would make totally sense if you think in the gap. Black already have a god soul, SSR only makes him totally recover his godly status, but Goku and Vegeta are totally mere mortals before use SSB. The natural gap between not godly Black forms and his SSGSS form is lesser than the gap between not godly Goku/Vegeta forms and their SSGSS form, so the multiplier can be lesser too

>>152435759
> one kick vs getting jobbed completely

Lmao this is nowhere near as bad

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>>152435693
wtf is this thing?

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>>152435793
You fucking idiot.
There wasnt only one zenkai abuse.
Kaioshin mentions that they have been doing zenkai abuse for a long time.

>>152435818
He was taking punches, but he will still being pushed back. Point is Vegeta was winning there.

But SS Black beating SSB Vegeta is retarded beyond belief. Toyo outdid himself this time.

>>152435793
So? Anime-Black base form is stronger than anime-Goku base form too. Isn't only about Goku's power, but Zamasu's too

>>152435793
> he actually thinks vegeta vs black was black only zenkai boost
Do you even read the leaks nigga?

>>152435887
>Point is Vegeta was winning there.

Nice headcanon senpai

>>152435887
>He was taking punches, but he will still being pushed back. Point is Vegeta was winning there.

On base for black what mean if black turned SS there he would be able to beat the shit of vegeta too

Think a little more anon.

>>152435887
>Toyo outdid himself this time
>>152435759
You wrote toei wrong

>>152435874
>There wasnt only one zenkai abuse.
>Kaioshin mentions that they have been doing zenkai abuse for a long time.

But only one since Trunks escaped.

Also why didn't Black go SS2 or 3 against Vegeta?

>>152435887
>SS Black beating SSB Vegeta is retarded
>some guy already stronger than SS3 Goku in his base form, beating a SSB as SS (FIFTY TIMES stronger than his base) is retarded
(You)

>>152435842
The arena

>>152435977
black was using SS2

do you guys never read the manga or what?

No matter how people want to spin it, mangafags now need to accept that either the manga is just as inconsistent or consistent as the anime. You can't avoid this.

>>152435932
You're retarded if you think Base Black was winning against SSB Vegeta

>>152435977
>But only one since Trunks escaped.
Wrong trunks says that black is stronger then the last time they fought and vegeta even says that at this stage trunks has no chance of beating black and that was when black was holding back against vegeta.

>>152435977
>SS2 or 3

Does Zamasu know anything about those forms?

>>152435977
>why didn't Black go SS2 or 3
Because he can't go subforms? Nobody said he can use them

>>152435964
> mangafags grasping at straws and are in full damage control (part 2)

See: >>152435836

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>>152435693
Why is 18 so skinny? What happened to Toriyama's old artstyle?

>>152435842
I have a little dreidel
I made it out of clay
And when it’s dry and ready
Oh dreidel, I shall play

Oh, dreidel, dreidel, dreidel
I made you out of clay
And when you’re dry and ready
Oh Dreidel we shall play

Oh, dreidel, dreidel, dreidel
I made you out of wood
And when you are all ready
I’ll play you when I could

Oh, dreidel, dreidel, dreidel
I made you out of glass
And when you are all ready
I’ll play you on the grass

Oh, dreidel, dreidel, dreidel
I made you out of gold
And when you are all ready
I’ll play you in the cold

The better question is why a blue haired alien made out of cooled jelly is singing a Christian Childrens song!!!!

>>152436018
>Toei is retarded if they think Base Black can win against SSB Vegeta

FTFY

>>152436031
He got his ass beat by SSJ2 Goku and he could've asked Gowasu or the other Kaioshins

>>152435977
>Also why didn't Black go SS2
Black used ssj2 against trunks in the past but since then he bame so strong his base is enough to handle him.

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whats your sin

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What did he mean by this?

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>>152436030
If Manga Black could beat himself into oblivion so you can jump 4 SS levels (still stupid, but whatever), Goku and Vegeta should do the same

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>>152436022
HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE HERO

>>152436008
Except a lot of us accepted how Toyo fucked up with the power scaling the previous chapter. Too bad this last chapter Toyo explains the issue so there's nothing inconsistent :^)

>>152436073
But he didnt retard

> in b4 taking hits, 1 kick = "winning"

>>152436090
He only wants to find the finest of bulls for her and his daughter

>>152436100
Manga says that vegeta and probably goku as well cant abuse zenkai anymore. Since you ask all this nonsensical questions that were already explained throughout the leaks its safe to say you are a shitposter without knowing about what you're talking about

>>152436105
Except, you know, jumping from SS1 to >>SSB, from zenkai

>>152436100
>4 SS levels
>still wrong about this
Are you even trying?

>Goku and Vegeta should do the same
>Goku and Vegeta should reach the strongest godly saiyan form as easily a real god does
Yeah, you aren't even trying anymore

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>>152436063
>Christian

>>152436008
Nope the inconsistency of the last chapter actually got explained in this one. Nothing wrong here just you being butthurt.

>>152436057
You do know that Toei and Toriyama have different art styles right?

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>>152436161
>a god jumping from regular SS form to godly SS form from zenkai is wrong (also while Black's body already reached this form in the past, because is DBS Goku's body)
>but Cell jumping from semiperfect form to perfect form without #18 isn't

>>152436161
>Except, you know, jumping from SS1 to >>SSB, from zenkai
Base black toys with someone who is on par with a ssj3 goku. You know the last guy who did that beerus? Base black pre zenkai was already close to god power so him being above ssblue in ssj after zenkai is not that farfetched.

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>>152436174
>Are you even trying?
SS Black vs Vegeta, Black loses

Black gets zenkai. Skips SS2, SS3 and gets stronger than SSB. As a regular fucking SS.

> STILL no SSR

Toyocucks will defend /o-our guy/

>>152436126
>Thinking that base Black taking SSB Vegeta's punches while laughing isn't retarded

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>>152436184
Even though that anon used a pic from the anime,Toriyama style has definitely changed over time.

Here is a poster he drew for the BoG movie. Compare that to his old style in the manga. He draws his characters a lot skinner now, especially the females.

>>152436261
BLACK WAS HOLDING BACK TO GET THE POWER UP

Holy shit pedro, pay some attention

>>152435797
I would, but this computer station doesn't have any images saved. Hold up.
>>2235534
>>2341367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUGH7o7krvc

>>152436261
>Black gets zenkai. Skips SS2, SS3 and gets stronger than SSB
Black didnt skip anything. He just doesnt need to use ss2/ss3 anymore. Trunks mentioned that he used ssj2 in thr past so he knows it. He just became so ridiculous strong that his base alone is enough to handle him.

OH EM GEE WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE CAN I READ THE MANGUR IN JAPANESE ONLINE PREFERABLY KANZEN/COLOR???

I guess Goku going from 8,000 to 90,000 is also an asspull

Or Goku going from 90,000 to 3,000,000

I don't know

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>>152436245
>Cell jumping from semiperfect form to perfect form without #18 isn't

Are you actually defending Toyotaro's retarded zenkai boost because of this?

Toyocucks are not allowed to complain about the anime's stupid zenkai boosts anymore

>>152436352
Doesn't change the fact that Black skipped his own SS2, and SS3 with zenkai

I am the only one who wants them to animate the manga? Kinda the SENPAI Brotherhood shit.

Its another episode of retarded animefag who tries to come up with stupid shit about the manha that isnt an issue since he is illiterate and has a reading disorder.

>>152435693
I'm sure the fights will be good. DBS keeps improving. For a filler episode, the animation for the last episode had some really good shots. I'm sure there wilp be even better animation during the canon arc.

Also, why do people hate that fight so much. It wasn't horrible.

>>152435842
The ring, which seems huge if those are the stands next to it. Why there's the tower in the middle of it though, don't know

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> SSB Vegeta jobbed to SS Black in the manga

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA O WOW

How can Vegeta recover from this??

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>>152436483
>Black skipped his own SS2, and SS3
Black used ssj2 before. He didnt skip shit . He is just so strong he doesnt need to transform into them.

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>yfw they also make each god fight in the tournament

that would bre great

>Mangashit vs Animecancer again

See you on saturday guys

>>152436608
Too soon

>>152436440
>a god jumping from regular SS form to godly SS form from zenkai is wrong (also while Black's body already reached this form in the past, because is DBS Goku's body)
I'm still waiting for you to explain how can be "retarded"

>not allowed to complain about the anime's stupid zenkai boosts anymore
So you STILL doesn't realize why Black's zenkai are wrong in the anime? That's sad, man, you are even more retarded than I expected


>>152436261
>SS Black holding back vs Vegeta, Black loses on purpose
>Black gets zenkai so is even stronger now, he also fight seriously this time and wins
I don't see anything wrong.

>Skips SS2, SS3
Toriyama said SS2 and SS3 are SUBFORMS you sick fuck, the only main forms are SS and SSB (we know SSG isn't a main form since Vegeta doesn't need it in any version of DBS)

>>152436483
>Doesn't change the fact that Black skipped his own SS2, and SS3 with zenkai

Did you forget he has the body of a Goku that has already experienced the events of the multi tournament arc?
His base form is much stronger than current Goku's or Vegeta's without whatever extra potential Zamasu managed to unlock.

I like the anime version so far better of the trunks arc but I admit that the manga this time got everything right and even fixed the issue of the last chapter which really was confusing. I hope toyo uses goku ssblue kaioken one time until then I am an animefan.

>>152436572
Mangafags were saying that was SS1 Black not SS2. But I guess it flip-flopped.

Still, he skipped SS3

>>152436761
>Still, he skipped SS3

Just like Vegeta, Cabba and Gohan will when they fight in the next arc.

>>152436405
You're really misinterpreting this for short term laughs y'know. You, the stalker I'm responding to after much pained deliberation.

>>152436761
Right now he is in his ss1. He used ss2 against trunks in the past. So he knows the forms he just grew out of them and doesnt need them to fight trunks/vegeta/goku.

>>152436827
what

>>152435623
Dont forget to put
> why doesnt vegeta and goku abuse zenkai?
They can't anymore

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>>152435750
>Frieza, Boo, Piccolo and even Vegeta
>not the superior Black/Zamasu pair or the superior fusion
You had one job Toei

>>152436940
Why cant they abuse zenkai anymore though?

>>152436896
Yes, a zippy callback to a massacre propelled multi-generational radiation burned blood drenched hive mind joke, now are we going to do this already?

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>>152436835
> post-zenkai SS1 Black >>> SSB Vegeta

So post-zenkai SS2 Black would be EVEN stronger? How about SSR Black?

I think Toyo went too far here

>>152436979
>Plot convenient
On a serious note though trunks just speculates that vegeta reached his zenkai limit because of overtraining.

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>>152436761
>he skipped SS3
Vegeta did the same

>>152436947
It's all for Z nostalgia + Piccolo

still hoping for Demon King Piccolo because he's probably my favourite villain alongside Frieza and Zamasu/Black

>>152436979
Isn't confirmed, is only Trunks assumptions (also he was talking about Vegeta, not Goku)

>>152437084
Ssr black is overkill. Wrecks a fully healed vegeta ssblue who received a senzu bean and a fresh goku ssblue.

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>>152437084
>How about SSR Black?
Everyone jobs

>>152436568

We always find a way. If there is one thing about us Vegetafags, we never give in.

>>152437048
Are you sure you want to reply to me you retard

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>>152437204

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>>152436568
Can't wait for Vegeta to job against pregnancy next week.

>>152437130
Why did he even go SSR? SS1 Black is apparently enough in the manga. Or SS2.

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>>152437108
Yea but Vegeta went though intense Angel training for mastering ki control

Zenkai shouldn't be enough to jump from SS2 to SSB

>>152436614
See you anon,ill be back sat. too

>>152437242
>Why did he even go SSR?
To show off.

>>152437242
He wants to fuck with all the other timelines too, so he needs to get stronger.

>>152437084
>I think Toyo went too far here

see
>>152435832

>>152437314
Zamasu is already a god. The man probably found a way to fuse his God ki with SSJ.

>>152437220
No, this is for posterity.

>>152437241
>Vegeta to job against pregnancy next week.
DELETE THIS

>>152437354
Then why go SS at all?

>>152436761
>Still, he skipped SS3
SS3 being necessary to go SSGSS is no more than your headcanon

>>152437422
Actually in theory ssj alone is enough with god ki infused.

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>>152437397
Because his body wasn't strong enough, after the Zenkai he was able to go Rose.

>>152437351
I understand Black is already a god. But he still didn't do any training for mastering ki control. If he only needed to apply his god ki + SS, then why did he even go SS?

Also it doesn't change the fact that Black jumped his power 2000x (or more) from only zenkai.

If the anime did this, mangafags would never shut up about it

>>152437453
We have someone talking sense over here.

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>>152437322
>not posting the full version
Ningen
Also manga version when?

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>>152437528
I was only posting it because Vegeta got the most Blacked

>>152437512
>If the anime did this
Which the anime did.
Went from being weaker then ssj2 goku to ssrose. Which wasnt an issue. The issue was the stupidity of his zenkai. He got zenkai boost after every beat up and not near death exp which it should be.

>>152437512
>If the anime did this, mangafags would never shut up about it

They made a big deal about Base Black taking punches from SSB Vegeta, even though he was still at the disadvantage

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>>152437614
Anime Black got Zenkai too.

It just was nowhere near as much as Manga Black's Zenkai

>>152436179
Not understanding that call back huh? Well then it looks like it's...sigh...up to me.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x23vu3f_spaghetti-jesus_fun

>>152437614
This
Zenkai boost have always been all over the place. Which everyone accepted it. Problem is the difference between reasonable zenkai use and completely shitty zenkai use.
Manga uses => the canon near death exp to get it.
Anime=> hurr durr t you punched me a bit now I am strong

>>152437577
But Goku got BLACKED the same times Vegeta did, Goku:
>in front of Chichi and Goten
>after Black landed his Kamehameha on Goku and Trunks while Zamasu was grabbing them
>after that sword attack
While Vegeta
>stabbed by SSR Black
>kicked by Black and Zamasu
>getting hit by the lightning trying to protect Trunks

>>152437693
>It just was nowhere near as much as Manga Black's Zenkai
Wtf are you talking about? Black went from his base form to ssrose after he sparked with ssj2. And he didnt even experience near death. He just got beat a couple of times.

>>152437693

Probably because Vegeta gave him a much bigger beating than one hard kick from Goku

>>152437512
>mastering ki control
"Super magical ki control" thing is only in the anime, we doesn't know how manga-SSGSS works

>Also it doesn't change the fact that Black jumped his power 2000x (or more) from only zenkai
1 You know the whole point of this post >>152437351 is point about why SSR Black being thousands times stronger than SS Black isn't necessarily a fact, right?
2 His raw power doesn't increase so much, is about multiplier of forms. Post zenkai SS Black is stronger than pre zenkai SS Black, but not thousands times at all

>>152437775
His base was already around SS2 Goku. He never used SS because he has god ki

SS + god ki = SSB

That or he never used SS1 because it was pointless to do so

>>152437693
>He skipped ssj/ssj2/ssj3
explain. Also anime makes less sense since rose is supposed to be ssgss but for black because of zamasu's ki. But he never went ssj which you need to actually become ssgss.

guys what is the name of the manga version that is slightly colorized?

>>152436142
Vegeta fucking abuses Zenkai all of the fucking time when he trains.

It's just that the benefits from Zenkai FAR outweigh the benefits once you get past the half million mark.

Vegeta found that out pretty damned quick during the Trunks saga when he realized that he was no closer to going SSJ no matter how hard he trained in the same manner on top of abusing zenkai by almost killing himself during training.

Black being able to abuse it infinitely is fucking retarded and breaks WAY TO MUCH canon and internal logic for it to get a free pass.
It simply does not work.
Training for a few months in a gravity chamber is far more beneficial then letting yourself get beaten up and healing nonstop during that time.

Zenkais arne't that powerful.
It's like getting noob gains from exercise. Sure you'll gain like ridiculous amounts of muscle and look like a calvin klein model and be able to bench press 200+ pounds after the first year. But once you're passed that point you'll be lucky to get even an extra 5 pounds of muscle or be able to bench 250 pounds with even a year of hard consistent training.

Zenkais have a hard and fast ceiling of diminishing returns that can not be overcome outside of just outright fucking bullshit where they ask the dragon to make it so that zenkais are a thousand times more powerful and he can heal instantly.
But at that point why don't they just ask for the ability to get more powerful no matter what?

>>152437820
Oh black base being ss2 goku tier and after zenkai being rose is ok.
But black being above ssj3 goku tier and after zenkai rose is not? Fuck off

Isn't SSB theoretically just SS + god ki?

Doesn't Zamasu ALWAYS have god ki? Why does he have SS1-2?

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>Zamasu tells you to commence zero ningen keikaku
Post your smug.

>>152437869
You mean kanzenban?

why don't they just reboot dragonball or do a bunch of dragonball spinoffs/side stories?

ssgss is more retarded than gt tbqhfam

>>152437890
Nice headcanon lad.
Tell me how cell's zenkai was noob gains

>>152437918
Except the anime has it so ss + god ki = SSR

Notice how Black never becomes SS1

>>152437920
That's what I though, but since Zamasu is in a mortal body, I guess he can access regular ki

>>152437918
Also Black was supposed to be above SS3 Goku in anime too, according to Trunks, but they totally forgot and make base Black weaker than SS2 Goku

>>152435388
And yet.... Black was only able to obtain SS1, which kinda twisted because his soul was in Goku's body.

>>152437890
> beong this autistic
You really think zenkai is this complicated? There is actually nothing behind it then just the fact that it serves as plot convenience to make the heroes chatch up faster. Or in other case make the villain strong. Cell/Black

>>152437918
That's not the point.

Black got wrecked against Vegeta. Against Goku it was much closer.

And when it happened in the anime, mangafags were giving it shit for the ridiculous jump. Now that it happened in the manga, they are defending it

>>152438047
>Black got wrecked against Vegeta
Did you miss out that he did it on fucking purpose?

>>152437964
He absorbed gokus cells remember.
That's how he was able to teleport and got the power boost.
And even after he got his ALL POWERFUL ZENKAI BOOST(Which by the way only work up to a certain level with any one saiyajin who's never experienced it and once passed a certain powerlevel is almost negligible in importance) on top of getting Goku's cells he was STILL getting outright punished by SSJ2 Gohan.

Zenkai isn't an infinite well of insane power ups.

>>152437869
What do I get if I tell you?

>tfw Fusion Zamasu could only go to Super Saiyan third grade, which is why he was so bulky.

>>152437918
Except SS Black beat SSB Vegeta. Not even SSR Black was needed.

Retard

>>152438047
>Black got wrecked against Vegeta. Against Goku it was much closer.
Follow the thread before posting shit. This has been explained numerous times now. Black held back to get a zenkai boost out of it.
Also anime makes no sense for black becoming so strong. Since he wasnt even near death to unlock anproper zenkai

>>152437942
https://gyazo.com/c2199cd8f8d1d83b6121f87d055f623a
Is this kanzenban?

>>152438030
It's a plot convenience that is so broken that it can be used infinitely and without end.

Toriyama talked less about it and showed that Zenkai boosts had diminishing returns for all that used them for a reason.

>>152438105
a kiss on the lips from vados

>>152438127
The only bulky super saiyajin forms or super vegeta and ultra.

>>152438128
Black is also much stronger in the manga then he was in the anime.
Retard

>>152438162
Yeah sure whatever let's rock.
>>152437942

>>152438220
I lied lol

>>152438214
Nothing proves that. If anything anime Black is stronger since he blew away Blue Vegeta in his base.

>>152438278
Didnt you just say black beating vegeta blue in ssj was stupid but here you are bragging about black beating ssblue vegeta in his base.
Aint you a fucking retard

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>>152438214
SS should NEVER overpower SSB

>>152438331
I'm not that anon.

>>152438047
>for the ridiculous jump
Because anime jump is ridiculous. Base Black goes from SS2 tier to (at least) SSG tier (also wasn't a real zenkai, but a retarded asspull one). He also reachs Rose, but nobody complaining about it.
In the manga, Black reachs Rose too, there's nothing wrong with it (as in the anime), but his zenkai itself isn't so big because SS Black was already far above SS2 Vegeta.


Anime-Black got a zenkai and jump from SS2 tier to at least SSG tier (he also reach Rose, but that's a different issue).

Manga-Black got a zenkai and jump from some point between SS2 Vegeta tier and SSB Vegeta tier to above SSB Vegeta (he also reach Rose, but that's a different issue too).

Manga zenkai itself isn't necesarily big, the point of this moment is the form he reach. Anime zenkai isn't only a cheated zenkai, is a ridiculous boost from SS2 tier to SSG tier

>>152438278
The toeifag just shot himself

>>152438135
Yep, the Ultimate Edition or "Kanzenban" in japanese

>>152438272
And you thought that was worth mentioning why?

>>152438278
>If anything anime Black is stronger since he blew away Blue Vegeta in his base.
Animefags in a nutshell

>>152438425
Try to prove me wrong instead of throwing buzzwords. I'm also not a fan of the anime.

>>152438455
Prove you wrong in what?
You guys keep complaining about ssj black beating ssblue vegeta being retarded. But you admit black beating ssblue vegeta in his base in the anime.

>>152438455
Anime Black will become the strongest by getting the show uproariously cancelled before the manga ends. /thread
>but it might not be meta
>sadness

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Toyo can only seem to work in extremes:

> Have a villain job, to the point where it's humiliating

> Have the villain receive an extreme zenkai boost, to the point where SS > SSB

He needs to find some middle ground here.

>>152438607
>Have a villain job, to the point where it's humiliating
But it was all according to black's plan.

As for the huge zenkai boost same shit happened in the anime or maybe worse since it wasnt even a proper zenkai.

>>152438525
Who's "you guys"? I'm not complaining about anything. In fact, my first post in this entire discussion was towards the anon who claimed Manga!Black >> Anime!Black. >>152438567

>>152438607
But wasn't Toei doing the same shit?

>>152438607
>> Have a villain job, to the point where it's humiliating
I admit I had a problem with it at first but after the explanation of this chapter it makes sense.
>> Have the villain receive an extreme zenkai boost, to the point where SS > SSB
Black ss > vegeta ssblue
Different people different strength.
Reminder pre zenkai black base > ssj3 goku

>>152438648
>>152438671

>As for the huge zenkai boost same shit happened in the anime

It was bad, but never SS >>> SSB bad

>>152438763
Anime did it worse.
>Base >> SSB

>>152438763

Even worse according to this anon>>152438669
It was base > ssblue bad

>>152438790
>Base >> SSB

That never happened.

Where do u guys get idea of surviving = stronger?

>>152438834
He kicked and inflicted pain on Blue Vegeta before ascending into Rose. Not to mention none of Vegeta's blows did anything to Black in his base.

The fight itself according to the leaks looks boring as fuck compared to the anime but plot wise it makes a lot more damn sense then the anime and I love the anime above the boring ass manga. Wish the two could just work it out together and get shit done

>>152438882
You probably don't read much manga in general since no voices, no music, no flashy lights.

>>152438834
>surviving
Black brushed off those hits like it was nothing

>>152438911
Thats not it. I keep seeing people praise about toyo choreography but in reality its quiet poor.

you know black brushing ofg vegeta's hits in anime would make sense if goku had beat the shit out of him in blue form but.... he kicked his ass in ss2 form. it's stupidly odd that he got a ridiculous zenkai boost from that.

>>152438941
Anime choreography, unless done by Shida, is extremely poor. Manga was fine this chapter.

I think I can see Toriyama's outline...

>Black fights SS2 Goku/Vegeta and is clearly defeated and wins a zenkai
>later, Black fights SSB Vegeta at same level, this even hiding his Rosé form

How Toyoyato handle this? Makes Black pretend be weaker than SS2 Vegeta so is defeated, and he wins a zenkai so now is able to fight SSB Vegeta, because now is fighting seriously, Zenkai power boost isn't necessarily big, the point is Black have SSR now to surpass Vegeta even more.
How Toei handle this? Makes Black actually lose against SS2 Goku and he wins a zenkai so now is able to fight SSB Vegeta, because the zenkai boost Black from SS2 tier to SSB tier. Zenkai power boost is ridiculously big, and Black have SSR now to surpass Vegeta even more.
Toyotaro writing is clearly superior, Toei can't handle Toriyama outline (this also ignoring inconsistencies like Black losing to SS2 Goku after Trunks said he's stronger than SS3 Goku or the magical cheated zenkai. Also Trunks being stronger than Goku and Vegeta in a "semigod" form makes sense in the manga because Trunks' base is stronger than Goku and Vegeta's, but in the anime a "semigod" form is stronger than the real god because reasons. Even stronger than Vegetto)

We're still doing this to the people who gave us the pyramids. Shamefuru display.

>>152439000
In english?

We can't even have one fucking thread without you autists arguing can we?

You faggots have been going back and forth in every thread for months now. Just enjoy whatever version you want and accept that others may enjoy the opposite. Is that really so hard? I like this series but the threads on /a/ are pure fucking cancer.

WHAT? NINE THOUSAND!?

>>152438978
Nah trunks/goku vs zamasu/black was done better in the anime then in the manga even if it was retarded.

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People who are more knowledgable, is it true that Toriyama hates Vegeta? Has there ever been any evidence of this?

>>152435439
Zamasu...

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>>152439109
Vegeta despite being the Prince of All Saiyans, doesn't have same the same traits as Goku, at least on Z, pic related

>>152439109
He said he hated him and only kept him around because he is convenient. Aka villain fodder

>>152439087
This is a fan base filled with diversity. Arguments filled with bait are bound to be responded to depending on the person.

>>152439000
>Makes Black actually lose against SS2 Goku
It's not like he really lost that fight

>>152438607
>extreme zenkai boost
That was in the anime, manga-Black was already faaaar above SS2 Vegeta, maybe he was SSG tier all this time and the zenkai just make it a bit stronger. Even if you believe SS was actually just a bit stronger than SS2 Vegeta, is a lesser gap.

>anime-base Black
>goes from SS2 tier to SSB tier

>manga-SS Black
>goes from some tier above SS3's to SSB tier

>>152439109
>Has there ever been any evidence of this?
Cell saga.

>>152439109
i think toriyama originally didn't care too much about vegeta, but came to like him, it shows in how he's used him that he's come to enjoy him, or maybe just toei enjoys him.

>>152439099
It wasn't save from the cut from Shida - who I said was the only saving grace.

Dont tell me all this whining is coming from vegetafags for having their limelight stolen after this chapter. If it reassures you goku lost as well to black in ssblue.

>>152439063
No ばかやろう

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SS Levels:
- SS1
- Ultra SS1
- FP SS1
- SS2
- SS3
- SSG/ Rage
- SSB/ Rosé

I don't care if Black got zenkai-boosted. A SS1 should NEVER be able to beat a SSB/Rosé

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>>152439138

>Cell beat the ever-loving fuck out of Vegeta
>Vegeta rages and swears revenge
>By the end of the Cell Games, Cell has Vegeta completely terrified of him

How can you compete with perfection?

>>152439235
Ss levels? Bitch ssj aint linear this isnt pokemon.

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>>152439109

>>152438866
He managed a kick, but it was hardly enough to beat Vegeta

>>152438917
Black had his smug smile because he knew he had SSR. But he wouldn't have won without that.

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>>152439235

Too much sodium is bad for you, anon.

>>152435439
ZAMASU

>>152439235
You're just an illiterate sad vegetfag who cant accept it. Also the fact that it actually makes sense makes you even more laughable

>>152439283
You're ignoring the fact none of Vegeta's hits damaged Black in base ane that he chucked it off.

>>152439222
Things are heating up
>trips over my shoelaces, my only thought before a sprained ankle "Is Kagura still one of the best girls?"

>>152439283
But vegeta didnt damaged him. But black kick did damage vegeta

>>152439235
it's so frustrating how inconsistent the animation is. in this scene it's really good, in others its early 2000s newgrounds tier.

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Reminder toei keeps fucking up.
Cant sustain ssj.
Fuck off

>>152439235
Why is Black black in this?

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>>152439418
Anime> manga

>>152439425
BLACKED by black Black's big black cock

>>152439418
>Gohan
Nobody will care about this.

>>152439235
>A SS1 should NEVER be able to beat a SSB/Rosé
Multipliers, asshole. Is about your base power, or you complain about SS Vegetto being stronger than SS3 Goku?

>>152435703
You misspelled perfect.

>>152436326
He is just adapting to the times really. Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z are apart of the 80s and 90s where drawing huge buff dudes and busty girls were all the rage.
Modern style is skinny dudes and small cute girls.


I don't like it but I do not blame him either, drawing the same shit must be boring if you don't mix up the style.

>>152435842

You know what would be fucking cool? If they actually used the environment to full advantage.

Like going in and out of buildings and fighting up stairs and crashing through walls, trying to fight away the debris and the opponent.

Would be cool as fuck to see.

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>>152436090
He means pic related

>>152439138

To be fair, the only jobs on that list are 18 and Cell, and arguably Frieza.

Zarbon, Recoome and Zarbon he was simply outclassed.

> excited for manga leaks and SSR reveal

> leaks happen and SSR was finally revealed, but not until after a regular SS thrashed a SSB

Goddammit

>>152439570
I believe that was done in a movie if I recall, or multiple movies.

It's less about wanting to bother someone than the rationale that at least this way you can be a steady presence in their already pained lives. Still inefficient though.
>I'm not a robot/android/nanomachine being/battle cyborg
>sadness

Why is the English dub for XV2 so ridiculously shit?

>>152439418
>Gohan
>Can't use his potential

who even cares

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>>152439418
>>152439472

>>152439618
Well, we need more of it.

>>152439657
He can still go ssj though

>>152439328
Black was still being pushed back for the most part, regardless whether he chuckled or not

>>152439514
> comparing Goku+Vegeta fusion to only Goku's body

Jeez...

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Reminder that Piccolo almost beat Frost in the anime

Reminder that SSJ Gohan is actually way stronger than Piccolo in the anime

Reminder that SSJ Gohan vs. Frost would have been a victory for Gohan

>>152439776
You're missing the point. None of that did shit to him to the point where it was enough render him in pain.

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>>152439657
Potential unleashed was a mistake

>>152439514
I know multipliers

Doesn't make it any less stupid.

Black is really just Goku's body after all. Him being stronger than SSB as a SSR can make sense, not a normal fucking SS >>> SSB

>>152439824
Doesnt change the fact that forms are only simple multipliers and that black is far above anyone.

>>152439876
>Black is really just Goku's body after all
No or else his base being ssj3 goku wouldnt be the case.

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How bout we all just calm down

>>152439839
Just like how frost lost against goku... oh wait

>>152439655
Because the people dubbing it were rushed. There also wasn't enough to work with.

>>152440001
Whats the excuse for the super dub being so poor?

>>152439964
I wonder what are the Dwarf and his angel's names.

>>152440047
Aside form Chi Chi's voice, there isn't anything that stands out as horrible to me.

>>152439863
Maybe visibly, but Black knew he had to transform if he had a chance at winning

>>152439876
>just Goku's body
Goku's body + Zamasu soul

You can pretend Zamasu power should be exactly the same as Goku but that's just headcanon to pretend the manga is wrong

>>152439655

>DLC Pack for XV2 is half english half japanese in the dub

Buying Xenoverse 2 was a mistake. Unless XV3 literally blows our minds I'm waiting a year until I buy it.

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4chan complains about powerlevels which reddit/kanzenshuu seem to accept as it is.
Reddit complaints about mafuba.
Kanzenshuu about how black personality isnt as flamboyant as in the anime.
Really makes you think

>>152439879
>>152439917

It would've made more sense if post-zenkai SS Black was just a bit weaker, or maybe on par with SSB Vegeta. I'd even forgive it if he was just a bit stronger.

But not the point where a SS can toy around with a SSB.

Has Herms translated the full chapter?

>>152440183
> different soul, so much higher power-level

Ok.jpg

>>152440273
We dont know how strong ss black was if he genuinely fought vegeta at that time. We do know that he was holding back and let himself get punched. Dont forget he managed to eat up a lot of punches from ssblue vegeta while holding back.

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>>152437693
>Zenkais are the key to being more perfect

>>152440219
Looks like these people can at least agree that there's something wrong with Manga!Black

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>>152440323

I want Cell to return. Fuck Frieza, Cell was the best.

>>152440332
It's all about preferences. I personally never liked Black's flamboyant attitude.

>>152440104
Ale, Brew, Mead, etc

>>152440219
>Powerlevel complain
Just one anon who doesnt get it and keeps repeating himself
> mafuba
Poorly executed in the anime so they are probably afraid for such a repeat but its not an issue
> black's personality
Pure faggotry who gives a fuck

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>>152440377
Damn yea that was my favorite aspect of him. Oh well

>>152440296
Why not?

>>152440219
>4chan complains about powerlevels
>Kanzenshuu about how black personality isnt as flamboyant
Its as if 4chan and kanzenshuu swapped fanbase

>>152435750
If they're as strong as when they defeated them, Krillin should be able to take on Piccolo and Vegeta easily.

>>152440447
As a Black fan I was more into his savagery.

>>152440518
This is the only true answer

>>152440296
> different soul so much lower powerlevel
Ginyu comes to mind. Lets not forget zamasu being a fighting prodigy

>>152438763
SSJ2 is better then SSJ3, remember?

Once that shit happened fucking NOTHING in the series made any fucking sense anymore.

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>>152440518
His flamboyant personality + savagery made Black one of my favorite villains

>>152439839
Reminder that he should know the Makansappahippotamus by now.

>>152440219
That's because 4chan is full of power-level autists

Kanzenshuu is talking about what really matters. Like the actual villain himself

>>152440629
That moment has to be my favorite finisher from Black.

>>152440392
Didn't H.P. have a strong friendship with the guy who wrote the original Conan the Barbarian stories? Let's argue pointlessly about that for awhile, just for a little variety. We may strike gold. Someone...could be observing us right now. Taking notes...stealin' inspiration from anon and pals.

>>152440574
He is the King Kai of his Universe. So...what techniques may he have up his sleeves?

>>152439261
Yes it is you fucking retard.
SSJ forms are 100% linear.

And SSJRage is on every level a beyond fucking stupid form and the utterly retaraded reasons for him getting mad and finally unlocking it(because seeing his mother, his woman, and his world butchered apparently wasn't enough) is outright faggotry.

>>152440219
>Reddit complaints about mafuba.
I bet they only talk about it because herms pointed this out and was surprised that it was included in the manga

>>152440908
It's really Super Saiyan Zombie Jesus

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>yfw Dorf GoD acts like Gotrek

>>152440908
>Yes it is you fucking retard.
>SSJ forms are 100% linear.
No they arent you pathetic moron.
Ssj 1/2/3 stack multipliers
Also trunks managed to get an ssj2 that is equal to goku's ssj3 when fully powering up. Just like how goku/gohan managed to surpass their initial ssj form. Instead of going ascended or ultra.
Now shut your whore mouth you braindead sperg

>>152440908
Why did vegeta skip ssj3/ssg to become blue then? Stupid faggot

>>152439684
SSJ isn't him releasing his true power.

It's a bandaid/training wheels form that he uses to get around the fact that he's been a lazy cunt for the last few years.

You know how frieza doesn't have power up forms but only physically unleashes his true power in steps? It's the same for gohan.

It's the same for Gohan.
He doesn't need the SSJ forms, he only needs to power up and he'll grow on an exponential yet steady way and release his true well beyond SSJ3 power levels and the levels of invulnerability and strength those forms have without having to use ki tricks.

The skills and techniques that Goku uses to even the playing field and even overcome Frieza are the only thing that can bridge the gap between him and the mutant invulnerable and super strong body of Frieza.
Who, has been revealed to be a completely shit fighter who litterally depended on his overwhelming power to beat people.

With that in mind, theoretically, the laser blast that punched a hole through Goku in RoF?
Gohan, in his true form would have been able to tank that with ease.

Best and most disturbing part?
He doesn't have the ki drain that a SSJ form will have. That's all him.

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This triggers /a/

>>152441214
Broly confirmed canon

>>152440323
It is outright fucking stated that he got cells from goku and only a moderate boost to his power from a zenkai.
He will probably never see a power boost of any appreciable level from zenkais ever again.

And he STILL got his shit pushed in by a one armed Gohan.

>>152440361
Cell fucking sucked. Perfect cell was the fucking WEAKEST part of the cell saga and should have stayed the disturbing and scary looking bug man he was when he first showed up.

>>152441214
Not canon

>>152441214
wtf i'm triggered now

>>152441214
Toei filler

>>152441006
>Clark Ashton Smith (January 13, 1893 – August 14, 1961) was a self-educated American poet, sculptor, painter and author of fantasy, horror and science fiction short stories. He achieved early local recognition, largely through the enthusiasm of George Sterling, for traditional verse in the vein of Swinburne. As a poet, Smith is grouped with the West Coast Romantics alongside Ambrose Bierce, Joaquin Miller, Sterling, Nora May French, and remembered as "The Last of the Great Romantics" and "The Bard of Auburn".

Smith was one of "the big three of Weird Tales, with Robert E. Howard and H. P. Lovecraft",[1] but some readers objected to his morbidness and violation of pulp traditions. The fantasy critic L. Sprague de Camp said of him that "nobody since Poe has so loved a well-rotted corpse."[2] Smith was a member of the Lovecraft circle and his literary friendship with Lovecraft lasted from 1922 until Lovecraft's death in 1937. His work is marked by an extraordinarily rich and ornate vocabulary, a cosmic perspective and a vein of sardonic and sometimes ribald humor."

>Robert Ervin Howard (January 22, 1906 – June 11, 1936) was an American author who wrote pulp fiction in a diverse range of genres. He is well known for his character Conan the Barbarian and is regarded as the father of the sword and sorcery subgenre."

>tfw the opposite universes attendant the way Charlie Brown looks like either of these fellows.
>the other got deleted by Zeno

>>152441094
His atheism couldn't reconcile being a god.

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When Vegetto arrived in his field, he put his hands on the soil. He felt a sort of nostalgia overcoming him. He saw smaller hands, the hands of a child plowing a field with difficulty. Dazed, he closed his eyes for a few seconds then opened them to see his own hands. He felt a tear in the corner of his eyes, but he didn’t rub it off. With rage, he put his hands in the ground and started working, his mind elsewhere…

Further, Kulilin bustled about working as fast as he could. After half an hour, he allowed himself a short break. He had plowed about thirty miles square of field, he could rest a bit, couldn’t he? He exhaled heavily and let himself fall on the ground, his eyes focused on the blue sky. Memories of Gokû and him came back from time to time. No matter how he liked Vegetto, it wasn’t the same… On the other hand, he had none to blame for anything… After all, there was no one to blame… Besides, it had been only a few months that he had been gone. Time would heal. Kulilin closed his eyes that tears had filled at the thought of his best friend, almost his brother… After a while, he dried his tears with his sleeves then got back up and stretched. Those fields weren’t going to plow themselves!

>>152441214
trigger me harder! More! MORE!! MORE!!! PLEASE!!

>>152441424
what even is thsi

>>152441053
>>152441053
>No they arent you pathetic moron.
>Ssj 1/2/3 stack multipliers

No they don't you stupid faggot.

You get a different multiplier with each form, you just don't get a random addition of more numbers to multiply by!
That's not and has never been how it fucking works you retard.

>Also trunks managed to get an ssj2 that is equal to goku's ssj3 when fully powering up. Just like how goku/gohan managed to surpass their initial ssj form. Instead of going ascended or ultra.
Trunks SSJ forms in Super have never at any point made any goddamned sense.
His SSJ2 being stronger then Gokus SSJ3 has been called outright bullshit in every fucking corner of the fucking fandom.
The only ONLY way for his SSJ2 to be more powerful or equal to SSJ3 is if that motherfucker is RETARDED powerful in baseform.
And no one NO FUCKING ONE believes that Base Trunks is stronger then Base Goku or Base Vegeta.
It's not even HINTED AT in the manga or the goddamned anime.
He doesn't go SSJ3 because they think SSJ3 is ugly and they want their pretty easily recognizable SSJ2 form Trunks to sell to the Fujos.


>Now shut your whore mouth you braindead sperg
You litterally do not understand the most basic 10+ sword is stronger then 1+ dagger tier power level in all of fucking shounen.
You are broken stupid.

>>152441094
SSJ Blue has fuck all to do with the normal SSJ forms.
It is literally just using SSJ but with "God ki".

>>152441214
GAYYYYYYYY

>>152441273
>Cells from Goku
>literally says Saiyan genes zenkaied

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>>152441424
And that really annoyed Vegetto. Come on, the second strongest being in the whole universe spent his free time with books!
“Please, a little fight!”
“We'll make the Earth shake another time, dad. I've many things to do since Pan's birth. The administration is requesting completely stupid things! Do you know that because of her grand-father, she's considered a princess? It doesn't give her any privilege, but I still have to fill up the files.”
“Pleaaaase! I'd like to see you motivated for once! We can go on Jupitron-9? The air is breathable and the gravity is 200G! We can break anything we want there!”
“What? A gravity of 200 times Earth gravity?”
“Ah ah! I knew you'd be interested!”
“So it means that the gravitational acceleration reaches 1962 meter per second squared! I don't think that rock or earth can take such an heavy pressure. I wonder what is it made of.”
“Huh?”
“And how can the air be breathable? The oxygen should at least be liquid on that planet. I suppose it's still dangerous for the body.”
“But what are you babbling? The air is breathable, that's all there is to know! Bra didn't complain about it.”
“What? You had your little girl support that pressure??? But she weighed about 25 500 Newton over there!”
(Little game, for you, readers: what is Bra's weigh in pounds/kilograms when she get on a scales?)
“Gohan, what you're saying doesn't make sense. All I can tell you is that Bra and I survive very well when we go there. Anyway, I can see you're in no mood for a serious fight. You never are.”
“Eh... yes, dad. I'm sorry, but fighting isn't my favourite pastime.”
“I know. Yet you never fought better than years back, when you fought against Buu, Ah, I remember that one! Motivation can change everything with you!”
“Eh, I guess so. So, I've to go dad. Dad...? Are you ok?”
Vegetto had just stopped moving, his fingers were contracted and looked like claws.
“I... huh.. no, it's nothing. I'm going. See you later, my son.”
And he teleported himself.

>>152441476
Holy shit the retardation in this post is over 9000.
Trunks ssj2 wasnt the only onr who surpasses goku ssj3. Vegeta managed to do so too. But keep being a frustrated permavirgin and keep giving us this comedy gold faggot

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>>152441273
>Frieza should have stayed 3rd form
>Vegeta should have stayed Great Ape

>SSR's multiplier is only five times stronger than SS's, so lesser than Blue's multiplier because the user is already a god, so doesn't have the same room for improvement

Prove me wrong

>>152441476
>His SSJ2 being stronger then Gokus SSJ3 has been called outright bullshit in every fucking corner of the fucking fandom.
Says who? Tumblr thats probably where you belong retard.

>>152441504
And fucking Goku is a saiyajin.
And it outright fucking screams in your fucking face that he gets the new teleportation powers + power boost from absorbing gokus fucking cells.
The zenkai was at best probably fucking minor.

Because if it was as insanely potent as it's been shown in Super he'd have been well beyond Gohan in power levels. Maybe even part of the way to being strong enough to take on both Buu saga Goku and Vegeta while in their SSJ2 forms.

>>152441476
This is a pathetic attempt to bait people

>>152441424
>>152441529
For as decent as Multiverse is, Salagir's actual fanfictions are so fucking bad.

>>152435618
Because Vegeta has been, and always will be, the jobber to Goku.

>>152441580
>Trunks ssj2 wasnt the only onr who surpasses goku ssj3. Vegeta managed to do so too. But keep being a frustrated permavirgin and keep giving us this comedy gold faggot

Vegeta's fucking power up is the standard "I"M FUCKING PISSED" or "WERE ALL GONNA FUCKING DIE" short term power up that Vegetta ALWAYS FUCKING GOT

SSJ2 being stronger then SSJ3 is bullshit on every fucking level.

>>152441640
>Salty anime/vegetafag
Purge yourself you underage brat

>>152439109
He probably kept him for more half saiyans.

>>152441622
Tumblr?
Dude it's fucking everywhere. I dont' know what bubble you're in, but you need to pop that shit and go outside of it.
SSJ2 Trunks beating SSJ3 Goku is considered lore breaking retardation of the highest level.

>>152441723
No its not. Now fuck off to tumblr you mongoloid faggot and blog how gay you are about vegeta you fujocuck

>>152441591
Actually, if vegeta kept his great ape form he might have put up a half decent and visually interesting fight against final form frieza.

Lastly, yeah he should have. He was more visually distinctive and interesting. Creepy as fuck in a cool way.

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ladies and gentlemen your multiversal tournament MVP

>>152441765
You're a fucking retard

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>>152441640
>illiteracy
>Vegeta is Saiyan

>>152441723
Because make no sense with chapter 19. Now we have next chapter and the power scaling is fine now

>>152441214
>/a/
more like /v/ /tv/ /pol/ shitposters fucking normies

>>152441855
>normies
You need to go back

>>152441795
>How come he is so lame yet so popular?

>>152441764
Yes it is.
These threads and the hardcore fan pages that are filled with shills are hugboxes.

Future trunks saga is loathed. Even Toei is doing everything in their power to ignore that shit.
Even went with kicking Trunks out of the fucking universe at the end instead of just sending him off with Jaco to have space adventures in gokus universe.
Most telling?
Future Trunks and his oh so popular SSG tier RAGE MODE(lol)aren't fighting in the tournament with the rest of the Z fighters!!

>>152441765
It's how Dragon Ball works with its deceptive appearances. Majin Buu was this fat puff. Frieza's final form was shorter than his previous two.

Is Kanzenshuu forums any better than these threads?

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Post autism.

>>152441640
The zenkais was everything & the manga didn't mention anything to do with Goku's cells being absorbed. Cell's self destructive reduced him to only a few cells, far worse than anything the others took.

>>152441919
Nah not really. They might not discuss poeerlevels but they are.much more autistic and triggered about other little things. Like for exempe goku piloting the time machine. So if you want some debate about that go there

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>>152441957
>blowjob with ass
What

>>152441968
Are they really mad over that?

>>152441890
>He unironically believes all the shit that is said on 4chan
What are you 12?

>>152441817
At no fucking point does it indicate that he's as or more powerful then Gohan. Only that he's powered up LIKE Gohan. A Zenkai boost you silly twat.

Also, did you forget that he attained the teleportation technique from Goku's cells as well as a boost in power from him too?


I stand by what I said.
Zenkai has never been as potent as it's been displayed in Super right now. And it also has almost instant diminishing returns meaning that after one single boost the boosts you get after that go down dramatically and exponentially.

Otherwise Vegeta should have been strong enough to go toe to toe with Namek saga SSJ1 Goku in his base form after the kind of life threatening training that he's done during the Trunks and Android.

>>152441968
Lol Toei Goku's retardedness spread over and now people think Goku is a manchild

>>152441957
I don't have anything to beat that

>>152441996
They sperging over it.
Every fanbase has its cancer.

>>152442038
>>152442031
This. Even though Goku has been shown to know how to operate an aircraft in the original manga.

How did zamasu even kill goku so easily in the first place? When zamasu could barely fight ssj1 goku.

>>152435439
Zamasss

>>152441962
It's outright stated that he learned the fucking teleportation technique from absorbing gokus' cells what the fuck?