>H-HE'S TOO STRONG FOR ME!
>PLEASE HELP! SAVE ME TRUNKS!
/ourguy/ is back.
I was going to make a thread with the superior OP. Oh well.
But Black's body is just Goku's body from beginning of Super so Black shouldn't be getting Zenkai either unless Goku and Veggie only recently lost zenkai due to Whis training which would be bs
Stop, you stupid fuck.
I'm the only fusion with a confirmed kill on a main villain.
Reminder that OP is a retard for making a new thread before the bump limit.
Actually Black snatched his body from Goku from the near future, not the past. Toei fucked up by depicting him in farmer's clothing which confused everyone but the TimeRings don't send you back in time. This was also clarified in the manga.
It is however unexplained why Black can still abuse Zenkais when the host Goku himself cannot.
This is fucked up either way so you might as well settle for some headcanon that Zenkai is tied to the soul of the person or some shit.
>yfw going Blue would result in that 30 minute fusion being shortened even more
>that bottom panal
>Black will never BLACK you
Why even live?
Of course. They were facing the Androids at the time, so it'd only make sense for Gohan to teach Trunks an ability for running away if necessary.
I'll take anything over flash grenades and tear gas.
I still don't think Vegeta being beaten by SS Black is worse than webm related was.
Actually, Black IS able to sense AND manipulate Ki.
>Toei fucked up by depicting him in farmer's clothing
Nigga for real? People thought that Goku would never ever wear that outfit again in his life? This is a guy who has enough free time to look for a hitman from another universe while buying groceries. Surely he can farm for one day.
Aside from backstories and obvious gender swapping with Kaioshin, what were the differences.
I thought my boy vegeta was giving justice last chapter only to find out that it was all according to black's plan. Now he is back being a fodder.
Fuck you toryiama you faggot troll kill yourself
Viz has a page for free chapters, where you can find Dragon ball super official translation . Would be nice to see someone rip it.
> he actually thought vegeta is stronger then goku
>Zamasu wants a beautiful utopia because ningens are actually morons always fighting each other
>whore kaioshin wants conquer the universe and kill his old friends because they think she was dead
Isn't SSB supposed to be a form that consists mainly of ki control? So then why did Vegito Blue last only 2 seconds?
So I'm betting they're going to have to get their shit together fast in the past because Trunks can't last very long with both Zamasu and Black on his ass.
Unless Rage was actually in Toriyama's outline.
>Didn't he get a zenkai boost before all this?
He did but its confirmed that black let himself get beaten up on purpose. We also know for a fact that black is very strong. So I think black could be able to handle his own with vegeta especially during their ssj2 fight.
Because that's bullshit. Goku was afraid to turn SSB on early when fighting hit because it had heavy energy drain.
SSB is basically SS3 only stronger. And in Goku's case, with the same amount of victories.
Black wouldn't let a ningen like you enjoy such pleasures. You'll take her throbbing, pink Ki sword like a bitch and you'll beg for more.
Toyo Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Toei Goku
Reminder that we could've had a new Vegetto design.
I want to say that Goku and Vegeta will change from their beat up clothes into their RoF outfits before entering the future again for a rematch, but I doubt that'll happen since we see Goku back in his Z outfit in the Universal Tournament preview.
That's what the manga implied, but it's also bullshit, because if that was the case goku would not have had any reason to worry about turning it on early (and thereby facing attacks from the strongest fighter of universe 6 in his much weaker and less durable base form).
>Pay attention to the later half of the post
Honestly I wish you were right, but they kept in Goku being kissless and I highly doubt they'll reretcon vegeto's limit, since the finale and trunk's kill literally depends on it.
At least they're probably scrapping the mafuba phone shit maybe.
If we compare animes Base Black trashing Vegeta vs Manga Black's SSJ trashing Vegeta, I will take manga. Besides that I believe before the Zenkai Vegeta actually had the capacity to beat him, that final flash could've finished him off.
That's anime exclusive. Black in the manga has normal Zenkai
Why did the humans never try to actually leave the city? If they sent Trunks to die they could have hid out in the forest and mountains until Black would assume that all the humans were dead.
Actually if you want to get technical with the exact raw translations of the japanese terms used, Goku states (in both mediums) that "that form's stamina drain/usage is rapid/volatile"
"Tairyoku no shoumou ga hageshii"
This means that even channeling the form (not just the initial transformation cost) is taxing according to Goku's words in the original text in both mediums.
>Vegetto would have the proper green potara earrings in the manga.
Also, I wonder how the ending will be handled. We know something goes wrong with Trunks' timeline since we see two Zenos in the preview for next arc. I honestly hope Vegetto and Trunks preform a tag team on Merged Zamasu and Vegetto gives Trunks an opening for a finisher.
Yeah but zamasu is a martial art expert maybe he can take out more of goku's potential then goku himself. I mean anime was same shit. Black was always stronger then goku and vegeta
You guys assume Blacks body is Gokus
This is the typical teleporter problem
Blacks body is similar to Gokus, but it is not Gokus, it's made up of different atoms which still can gain Zenkai
>Blacks body is similar to Gokus, but it is not Gokus,
>This means that even channeling the form (not just the initial transformation cost) is taxing
Well, that's certainly what the events in the anime and the manga showed. Thanks for clarifying.
You fags think just because zamasu is in goku's body he has to be as strong as goku. Have you fags forgottem that ginyu wasnt able to control goku's body at all? Zamasu is different since he is a prodigy.
Pic related happen in the upcoming chapters please.
I always chalked it up to the difference between Buu and Gohan being so huge that the zenkai didn't matter, same for the rest of the zenkais since the android saga.
Apparently toriyama just forgot about it. Silly old asshole.
I think I understand what you are trying to say anon, but does it even really matter?
Please Toyo, give us Vegenks or Tronku
Will pic related happen in the manga?
We have a bit of a zenkai issue now. So Black can Zenkai, can we assume that (through Trunks's words) when a Saiyan already has found a steady way of gaining power it just turns off? It might also be related to the soul of a Saiyan, the zenkai registers the Zamasu inside of him to be untrained and thus gives him the power up
Post your face when you noticed that Black could have actually died from holding back his power last chapter if Zamasu didn't come in and save him in time
>Post your face when you noticed that Black could have actually died from holding back his power last chapter if Zamasu didn't come in and save him in time
Because it wasnt all according to plan? Vegetfags really desperate here.
>download a Kai batch from nyaa
>the episodes are all from different subgroups
>subs take up half the screen in literally one episode
I'm glad fansubbing is dead
>DIDNT THEY SAY THAT INTENTIONALLY LOSING WOULDNT MAKE ZENKAI WORK
>BLACK IS LITERALLY CHEATING
Wut. Vegeta lowered his poeer back in namek to get one shotted by krillin to get zenkai.
who the fuck thought this was acceptable
NO, they said that attacking yourself wouldn't make zenkai work.
Which is bullshit, since goku literally did just that for six days on his way to namek, and because as a restriction it makes no sense. What dictates if you "do it to yourself"? Would falling on a knife count? Would throwing a cannonball into the air and letting it hit you on the way down count? Would using a glove when you crush your own ribcage count?
>how you want your subs f.am?
>Which is bullshit, since goku literally did just that for six days on his way to namek
>Ordinarily that would kill you
>NO, they said that attacking yourself wouldn't make zenkai work.
Goku fired kamehamea at himself and worked his ass off until he physically passed out. Not the same as punching yourself to near death.
Goku overtrained and attacked himself over and over to get zenkais. They literally actually fucking explicitly say he did.
It wasn't the G's. He was actually shooting himself in the face. Goku wouldn't have been doing that repeatedly for six days if it wasn't having an effect.
Time for a Dragon Ball comic I made
when I was five years old
I wish Black buried his hand into my face like the mortal scum I am.
>HURR HURR JOBBER VILLAIN NO SENSE OF DANGER BECAUSE DB ALWAYS HAD THAT
>TOP KEK JOBBER JOBGETA GOKU>>>>VEGETA TORIYAMA ALWAYS SHITS ON VEGETA
God there's no winning with you people.
> to all the faggots that thought toyo wouldnt explain chapter19 inconsistency
> to all the faggots that thought ssr is not canon and broly filler
> to all the faggots who thought its going to be rushed
> to all the vegetafags who got carried away by their own hype
> to all the toeifags
>Vegeta fucking jobs
>Jobs as a SSJ4 while SSJ Goku does fine
This anon should write for Toei
>21: Trunks vs Black, Learning Mafuba, Vegeta Training
>22: Refight with Black
>23: Merged Zamasu
>24: Vegetto, Genkidama Sword
>26: Universe Survival
So we are going to have 5 more months of anime filler?
To all the mangafags celebrating prematurely. Why the fuck does goku know how master muitato look like when they have never met before? No that was anime filler never happend in the manga.
I'll admit as a mangafag that didn't make sense. Goku knowing the Mafuba is likely, but him thinking about Mutaito doesn't.
I liked that the anime had PICCOLO bring in the idea of Mafuba.
>That panel is most likely telling what Roshi had told Goku and the image of Mutaito isn't from Goku's imagery of him, but for us as the audience to remember the character.
Oh, that makes sense.
See the pages where he's actually training. It's idiotic to think that goku would keep hitting himself and wounding himself if it had no payoff. Remember, dragon ball's goku isn't actually fucking retarded, especially when it comes to training or fighting.
>Goku is going to learn the mafuba in one night again
>trunks is going to learn it off a phone again
>They won't bring piccolo again
>Vegeta will spend a year in the RoSaT again only to get BTFO by goku anyway again
Bravo fucking bravo.
>This isn't Toriyama, so why does it matter? The point is that Goku wasn't imagining that moment, he was referencing it from what stories Roshi had told him.
So how would goku know how muitato looks like? Toyotaro should have just giving us the text and not some pic with inside his talk if that was the case
No anon, that's fucking dumb. He was explicitly doing it to hurt himself as the narration points out that Goku had realized recovering from wounds gave him power. Stop being an apologist.
>Exemple frieza talking about bardock.
That wasn't the same
>He was explicitly doing it to hurt himself as the narration points out
It also states that his gravity training is deadly >>152421243
if attacking himself was the only point of his training, why doesn't he even need the gravity machine?
I know thos is bait but ok.
Whenever akira made someone talk aboit stuff with them thinking about it he always had it oustide the text bubble. The muitato thing with goku is clearly just for the audience. Exemple pic related
>It also states that his gravity training is deadly
No, that's Briefs, not the fucking narrator. If the gravity training alone was hurting him enough for zenkai, they wouldn't have explicitly shown him shooting himself in the face, collapsing from the damage, and eating a senzu while the narrator pointed out Goku had figured out how to abuse his saiyan hax. It's blatant that toriyama hadn't thought of the "stop hitting yourself rule" at that point, stop making flimsy excuses for him.
>why doesn't he even need the gravity machine?
Because he was training as well. He used the zenkais as a shortcut during training, it wasn't the plan all along and even if it was, he wanted to do everything he could to get stronk for namek.
Remember when animefags said manga!Black was shit not because power levels but because "muh personality"
But suddenly he's "based" because he's strong again while having the same shitty generic personality?
Goku actually knowing how Mutaito looks is your headcanon, anon.
>b-but us, the audiency, we can see Mutaito in the panel
But the characters not, because is a fucking narrative resource. Prove Goku says anything about how Mutaito looks or kill yourself
>Goku knows how to pilot the time machine
Even the anime didnt had this much shit writing
Yeah, my fault, know how drive cars is pointless... since even Cell can use the time machine just pushing buttons if the coordinates are already established.
Even Goten can turn on the time machine... even Toei!Goku can
At least this makes sense
Black was weaker instead of of just one shoting vegeta
Black was getting damaged instead of not getting damaged whatsoever in the anime
Vegeta beat the living crap out of him and then zamasu healed him, that's how zenkai works
The anime literally got everything wrong
>No, that's Briefs, not the fucking narrator.
And? The narrator is not the only way for the writer to relay information to the reader.
>If the gravity training alone was hurting him enough for zenkai, they wouldn't have explicitly shown him shooting himself in the face,
Not only was this four days into Goku's training that was only ONE aspect of his training, that is not all you see him doing. The narrator says Goku is TRAINING to over come 100 times gravity and he keeps doing so until he reaches his breaking point not blasting himself non stop.
>Because he was training as well
Exactly his gravity training is the reason why he got so strong >>152421243
Hence why Vegeta copied it instead of blasting himself over and over.
>He used the zenkais as a shortcut during training
Goku didn't even know about Zenkai.
It's simple. One timeline had Trunks come back premature with the anti-android button because no Cell to fight. He used it & wanted to pay everyone another visit. Cell came & killed him & went back because no androids to absorb.
Cell used the time machine because there were no androids in his timeline because of the button trunks got from bulma from the timeline he traveled to. Doesnt explain why trunks set the time machine to the coordinates to our heroes timeline and not to the one he visited
That's not how works. Coordinates are for visit another already existent parallel world, but Trunks doesn't wanted visit another world but CREATE another one.
Same in DBS, our Trunks visit the same timeline again but is this visit what make of the timeline another parallel one.
>Kami's space ship could go from Earth to Jupiter in < 10 sec
>therefore over 200 hundred times faster than light
>took about a month or 30 days to go from Earth to Namek
>Capsule Co ship
>Earth to Namek in 6 days
>about 5 times faster, at least 1000 times faster than light
>people talk shit about Androids being stronger than Frieza when Capsule Co makes ships this fast
You said Trunks set the coordinates to our heroes timeline and not to the one he visited... but he actually set did. The timelines are separate when the time travelers change the story, so Cell visit the same world this original Trunks visited... but his own presence in this world is what make of it another different one.
World 1 Trunks want visit World 2 -> Trunks visit World 2 -> Trunks return to World 1 -> Trunks want visit World 2 again -> Cell visit World 2 -> The World 2 becomes World 3 thanks to Cell presence
you build the mouse trap according to the mouse
You don't get the idea to build androids capable of destroying planets until you need it.
The red ribbon army was pretty capable in conquering earth if goku didn't exist. After seeing goku's exponential growth and realizing aliens existed then and only then would he start making androids to compensate for that power.
It's like building highways before cars existed. Sure they would be cool but they would be mostly a waste
Not what I meant. I was askong where was gero superpowerful androids.
> not anticipating the impossible
Gero isnt a genuis. He didnt even had a trump card. Yet in the cell arc he has both 17/18 and cell as last resort.
He didn't develop them yet. There's no point anyway. When 8 was made, I don't even remember if they've even met Tao Pai Pai. Their impression of Goku was nowhere near 17 & 18 level or even 19 level. There's no point in wasting resources making such an overpowered machine & 17 & 18 were both considered failures for being too strong to control too. If they can't get 8 under control, anything beyond is out of the question.
> everyone jerking over pink goku when the hottest news in fact that not all GoD will be fucking disgusting furries
Toryiama loves his manlets except if yoir name is vegeta
If Black and Trunks actually are SS3 tier (what also implyies Vegeta SS2 power up is permanent), Trunks base form being several times stronger than Goku's is a thing, right? That means SSA beating merged Zamasu can make sense in the manga (if Vegetto Blue isn't a thing, I guess)
Except, apparently Black always was stronger than Getes and was just getting a zenkai to be even MORE stronger.
Same bullshit, different package.
I only like slice of life filler shit in DBS cause this has to be the most inconsistent piece of moose shit writing ever. I hate than rice eyed MeRikey!MeRoveYu Rong ah time asshole Toriyama
>mfw he's probably destroyed a planet's inhabitants because they referenced his height
>To think that grand priest can produce semen stronger then anything in the universe is frightening
But he is doing it wrong. Biologicaly his infants should be stronger then him except if his wife got shit ass genes.
Black bluffing shouldnt have been a surprise. Toyo even gave us some hints. Also being able to tank ssblue punches when kabe in ssj was knocked out by one punch even though he is as powerful in his base as vegeta says it all.
I don't think black is necessarily abusing zenkais because it only happens fighting Goku
(Only seen the anime)
But he adapts gokus fighting style after going to the past
Learned instant transmission from Goku using it
He didn't get any stronger from Vegeta beating him
Because vegeta is going withthe power he is sensing from black bit black wasnt even trying and let himself get beaten.
So no vegeta ssj2 is not stronger then ssj3 goku because black would have probably beaten vegeta if he fought back genuinely
Too bad its confirmed in the manga that he indeed abuses zenkai.
Not only that black even says pain makes him stronger like in the anime.
But the power he's sensing from Black is stronger than SS2 Trunks, that's what he said
You are just saying Black is even more powerful, but that doens't debunk SS Black was stronger than SS2 Trunks and Goku SS3 even holding back
An inconsistency still stands out. Unless the translation I read was bullshit (which is possible), while fighting Black Vegeta says something along the lines of "indeed Trunks is no match for you at his current level". This means that ssj2 Vegeta is still much stronger than ssj3 Goku, since Black holding back is still stronger than Trunks.
Thats the thing. Black power was stronger then ssj2 trunks but since he didnt try to put up a fight vegeta was able to overthrow him easily. If black was fighting for real and not wanting the zenkai boost or the pain boost bullscrap he would have fucked vegeta up
With the new Custodes models GW is going to make this canon, against all logic and reason. And there's nothing Kitten can do to stop it. Since we're talking about 40k, remember when Zamasu almost became the Warp?
Nobody said "just punch Black make him absurdly stronger" in the manga (also he had a proper zenkai) so... no.
Pain = be hurted = be hurted enough = zenkai
>an inconsistency still stands out
>that ssj2 Vegeta is still much stronger than ssj3 Goku
That only means his SS rage boost is permanent
>yfw we will never get a gag/SoL DB manga with Toriyama's style because kids only care about fights
Maybe if you like hack writing then yeah, enjoy your broken anime non explained power boosting gimmick.
Black was killed the minute he did Zamasu's gay stance.
>inb4 that's his stance since he's zamasu!!
What made him so badass was that he WASN'T like Zamasu.
How many swear words will mangastream's translations have?
no such thing as canon in japan. stop sperging.
Stay with the topic at hand, we are discussing manga vs anime faggotry.
power levels are cancer, go back to deathbattle/comicvine or whatever shithole that prostrates powerlevels. this shit is not complicated, worse than fanfiction scenarios
>Krilin x 18 team attacks
Guys I don't think my heart would handle it
Post retarded Facebook posts.
>Toriyama added this in case he forgets about it
Except manga shows a proper zenkai and Shin describes a proper one too
Black allows people let him nearly to dead -> Zamasu heals him -> Black becomes stronger
That's a zenkai, a REAL zenkai. Black becoming stronger being angry (like everybody can do) is also mentioned as a different issue in both manga and anime
is that a reference to that one fujo show? whats it called with the duck lips and lolis?
POWER POWER POWER
What about Goku? He doesn't realize anything. Trunks thinking something is wrong makes sense, because last time he saw Black, he wasn't nearly to death, so Black being stronger makes no sense for him. If Trunks thinks something is wrong because Black power is above Vegeta's, Goku would realize too
my character is stronger!
broly is the strongest of them all
>every anime of the "shonen kings" is shit
Because goku thought zamasu was a shit fighter but since trunks fought him before he knew something was off
That's not any excuse. If they see someone with a ki above SS3 Goku, fighting at SS2 tier, they obviously should think there's something wrong, even if they can become even stronger with Blue.
Even if you still using pride as Vegeta's excuse, Goku should react, he's not retarded as toei-Goku
This is why Zamasu wanted to destroy us.
That's stupid. You don't need be a good fighter to beat someone if you are so stronger.
If a Vegeta with a power level of 24000 can humiliate Dodoria (22000) without let him try anything, a Kaioshin with raw ki above SS3 Goku can kill a regular SS2 with one single hit
Depends, are they going by actual DB canon power levels and common logic or the whole retarded "SS2 is prettier thus it is stronger then SS3 and ki levels don't matter" thing.
Poor Present Zamasu, he was left in the dark about the Zero Mortals Plan while two versions of himself were having a blast.
>SSJR not canon
What? Did you even see the scans?