>She hated lies. She detested lies. Lies were entirely sad things. Lies were the reason behind everything which hadn't gone her way. Lies were making Emilia alone. She hated lies. Detested lies. Detested liars. Everybody is just a stupid ▓▓▓▓
So what's the word going to be?
I'm half expecting a curse word that's not old fashioned.
>So what's the word going to be?
She literally loves him. Read the text on the picture to see what she says about him.
We still don't know how any of that is possible so far. But most agree that Subaru somehow was there 400 years ago, and was possibly Satella's lover. If he's a reincarnation, time shenanigans, or some other bullshit are in play it was not revealed yet.
That's how she is described to look like so.
Fanart, but from description the things she has are a desert cloak, hot pants, and a bikini top.
I think she's much older than that, apparently she was around 400 years ago, so calling her a cake doesn't fit much.
We don't know how she manages to live that long though since she looks human, and if she is that means something is being used to keep her alive, or she's lying, is a clone or something else.
Go read summary-anons translations or chicken's, your choice. Though summary-anon's translations aren't actually summaries but the entire translated chapter and is father ahead then chicken by 70 or so chapters.
>Make Rem lose her memory of Subaru and then fall in love with someone else. Do it.
That's probably not going to happen. Even if she lost her memories, Subaru would still probably be the one boy paying the most attention to her. Who else is going to make a move? Julius? We already know people with amnesia seem to retain the same heart, and presumably the same tastes, and Julius isn't Rem's type. Besides, he's gay.
Garfiel already has a Mimi, so he's out. When it comes down to it, what you're really suggesting is for Otto to cuck Subaru.
Or, you know, she follows nee-sama's footsteps.
Rem is literally the cash cow of the series at this point. I'm sure somebody in a suit called up Taipei and told him to keep Rem pure so all the autistic otaku who buy their merchandise don't start to hate her.
She literally had to be put into a coma because she was winning too hard and it would be impossible for her and Subaru's relationship to progress any further without full on dating. Emilia also needed a handicap, so once Rem wakes up it'll either be Subaru helping her recover her memories/feelings for him or it's going to be mushy shit.
The clown isn't cute enough. Rem is into cute boys, not handsome men.
If we go by who suits her tastes, and is currently available, we're left with Otto as Subaru's only competition. And the thing about Otto? He's not going to ruin his friendship with Subaru by suddenly going after his waifu, unless he goes Gospel crazy and does it because the book told him to.
Honestly, I think things would be more interesting if she came back with all of her memories. But really, I'm hoping Gluttony gets into the tower, so all the drama with that can be milked and Subaru and Ram can face off against them together.
Pretty much, yeah. Unless we're being overly literal about some.
>Subaru: “If we can, it'd be more ideal to deal with him after negotiating with Lewes Theta...”
>Otto: “That's the thing.”
>Otto raises his finger.
>Subaru's eyes widen in surprise, not understanding what Otto's THAT is referring to.
>While Subaru remains confused, Otto speaks with his expression grave.
>Otto: “That Lewes-san apparently went missing this morning. Garfiel is searching through the village, his expression frantic. This is how he's looking to talk to you.”
Is grandma dead?
>Woman: “I'm sorry, Emilia. I am so sorry. Never told you even a single important thing, hiding absolutely everything... letting you stay a cute princess forever, please forgive me... forgive us.”
>—No forgiveness. No forgiveness. No forgiveness. No forgiveness. No forgiveness. No forgiveness.
>Woman: “The people around you who treasured your smile, and the tender lies they told, please don't hate them...”
>—Hated them. Loathed them. Loathed them. Loathed them. Loathed them. Loathed them. Loathed them.
>Otto: “The good news, then. I've completed negotiations with the evacuees exactly as we arranged. They've made their respective preparations, and are ready to go today at any moment you want. I requested that they keep themselves ready to respond even to abrupt instructions, so they're possible even immediately prior.”
>Subaru: “—Right. Sorry. Really, I should've been the one talking to them and getting them to help.”
>Otto: “Fortunately, my amicability with everyone had intensified over these few days. And when you consider our ongoing acquaintance, it's sincerely serendipitous that I had this opportunity. But either way, preparations went without problems.”
Subaru has got himself one hell of a right hand man.
>all the autistic otaku who buy their merchandise don't start to hate her.
Wait those people will actually get angry if Rem marries Subaru in the story?
Like seriously why do people get angry over everything so easily? Hell if anything, I will be full of joy and satisfaction as seeing my favorite character finally receive the happiness she deserves.
But didn't you say
> somebody in a suit called up Taipei and told him to keep Rem pure so all the autistic otaku who buy their merchandise don't start to hate her?
Or I might have misunderstood.
Yeah and loving one and only one person unconditionally is pure as fuck. She'd be a slut if she started liking someone else, otaku are easy to piss off.
Why aren't you all praising me? Have I done something wrong?
Eh I think it's pretty normal. Rem is of course allowed to love someone else other than Subaru, though I will somehow get mad because I think Subaru and Rem already is a perfect couple in the series.
Of course it's normal, that's not the point.
The point is the people who are pathetic enough to buy $60 Re:Zero blu-rays containing 2 episodes and purchase Rem figurines and oppai mousepads crave purity. The idea of their waifu going after someone else would hit too close to home for them.
A lot of people in suits are dependent on the obsessive fan market, and with Rem comprising most of their merchandise sales they want Taipei to make her as attractive as possible.
Praise me more please. Rem enjoys being praised.
Well, what's left to say that hasn't already been said? Best, cutest, and prettiest girl in Re:Zero. You make me want to jerk off my heart.
There. Is that enough?
Shit if I know, she's over a hundred years and doesn't have all her memories right? She's had to take a dick at least once from some one. Rem's a pure maiden though.
She's still a slut though. She literally can't even be straightforward with how she feels and keeps leading Subaru on. I think after 10,000 pages she should have an idea of whether she likes Subaru or not.
Nigger it took both of them one arc in total time to love each other. Their relationship literally only lasted from the middle of arc 2 to the middle of arc 3.
I also haven't heard of any confession from her, any links?
>I also haven't heard of any confession from her, any links?
I believe it was somewhere around arc 5. But that's my interpretation on what happens when Subaru came to visit Rem calling himself a "spoiled child".
I'm pretty sure that's really early in Arc 5. That's the one where he's commenting on Emilia and Betty complimenting him or something, right? There's no confession there, but I think Emilia compliments him more often in later arcs.
Daily reminder that Ram is canonically the biggest whore in the series
Or actually, to be more specific, that's the one where he's complaining to Rem about Emilia and Betty complimenting him too much and being too nice to him, because he doesn't like it for some reason. I don't know why he'd go to Rem, of all people, to complain about how awkward it feels to get too much praise from people, but that's that.
Every thread until Crusch-sama gets her memories back.
Subaru did say that Rem would belong only to him
> Subaru: You are mine. I won’t let anyone have you.
So I imagine if Rem happens to have a date with another dude, Subaru will most likely attempt to sabotage it.
>You're more likely to see a man dead than a man actually getting close to Rem other than Subaru.
Pretty much. What other man would even be able to get close to Rem in the first place? Even if she lost her memories, she'd still get brought back to the manor. Everyone around Subaru thinks it's pretty fucking obvious that he's in love with Rem. I don't think there's anyone around who'd be shitty enough to try to make a move on amnesia girl.
Every thread until Rem wakes up.
Is it just me or is Rem's design actually generic and outstanding at the same time? I mean sometimes her appearance screams mediocre at best, but sometimes she looks straight up gorgeous like in that art.
I think her design isn't supposed to stand out much. She's a maid after all.
Imagine if Rem had not only the best personality but also the best design. She would overshadow every other character by miles.
>Subaru: “And so we're riding off that softnesss of his and planning secretly behind the scenes... say that, and it makes us sound like the villains.”
>Otto: “I'm not adverse to these methods of utilising whatever we can of whatever's around. But, well, I agree that this isn't exactly like the protagonist of a play or fairytale.”
>Hearing Subaru's mutterings, Roguish Villain B tilts his shoulders as he assists with these roguish unprotagonisty plans. Roguish Villain A can only think that well if B's motivated for it then good.
What are the odds that Subaru is unwittingly the actual villain of this series?
I believe Tappei said he'd be a Slytherin. Now we just need some shitty Harry Potter AU where he, Otto, Rem, and Ram are all in Slytherin together. Rem only being there because she insisted she get to stay with Subaru and Ram, otherwise she'd have been Gryffindor.
But yeah, it's pretty obvious Subaru is written to have certain villain-like qualities. I mean, his main powerset is being built up as soul-eating evil. Chuuni powers aren't actually very fun to have.
Fortuna is Emilia's aunt. Who Betel had mutual feelings for. They acted as a family unit more or less.
>and it would be impossible for her and Subaru's relationship to progress any further without full on dating.
We have an entire AU about this and it fucking works
This is my favorite girl character
The story of the Oni who cries is as well. I wonder who wants to get along with humans? I wonder who is the one going to end up as a sacrifice?
Well people are so into subaru x Rem ship they didn't think of other possibilities even if they are very low it's not wrong to think about it
I would ship her with garfiel if it's not fro mimi so best choice will be otto
fun fact: I'm not 100% sure on this since I didn't check myself, but I read on the JP wiki that Subaru telling the "red ogre who cried" story to Ram wasn't in the original WN and was added in the LN release.
So if you needed proof that the scene is actually important and not just random bullshit, there you go.
Also fun fact #2: Rem and Otto have never even met in the main timeline. Actually, I don't think they've ever interacted period except in the loop where they first met the white whale. I wonder how they'd get along.
Otto does't have a women he need one and assuming scenario where Rem lose her memory forever and won't fall for subaru again i would throw her at Otto this is like 1% possibility
They are like 3 years apart at this point btw
If tappei wanted to pair Rem with someone other than Subaru later on then he wouldn't have fleshed out their relationship that much, he gives us too many reasons to ship Subaru and Rem
I'd be more concerned how her and the doterus are going to get along. We know Rem is basically the mother-figure to Beatrice but I wouldn't know about the other two.
Nah pretty sure it was mention they were younger than him but less than year and judging by their birthday he's like 10 months older , also it's been 1 year and 4 months since the story started and Rem been sleeping for 1 year and 2 months
1 year and 4 months and subaru mention he will be 18 this year in arc 1 making the first 3 arcs taking place between janury and april
he's 19 right now
we need data book for characters ages after the TS really
Subaru was talking from his respective whatever April exist in the fantasy world or not it's irrelevant and the time flow run the same way as the earth
subaru is 19 after the time skip ,
btw in the manga it said he's 3rd year in high school
I'd pay to see your house burn down. Plus Gaaf already had Ram and has Mimi so you're shit outta luck. The only one Otto has a remote chance with is Ram at this point.
People who says subaru x emilia is one sided are blind and sorry for that
back to gafu x mimi yeah it's still one sided but honstely seeing Gafu have no chance with Ram and mimi sticking to him it's the most likely outcome
Subaru has a talent for being disliked by others, but to what par did his old classmates through primary, middle, and high school dislike him?
Primary school was what you get from classmates at primary school. In middle school the girls hated him a lot, and the guys were sort of distant from him too. In high school he flunked his debut and everyone treated him like he wasn't there.
BTW can someone do this scene for me , it's scene about Ram and subari n arc 6 :
Subaru is pretty fit
Aiming for that chiseled body I see.
So I found the character novel summaries for the mansion characters
For the labels people actually care about:
Rem: Upstart heroine
Duh I know what upstart means literally. Putting the pages through Google translate it comes up with "Rising Heroine" that is more clear
Still I don't know what make of this as I can't tell if those pages are from a speculating reader or are drafts from Tappei himself.
Emilia seeing the future part 1 :
『これで、約束を果たした気でいるんですか？ だとしたら……だとしたら、僕はあのとき、あの竪穴で簀巻きになって死んでいればよかったんだ！ こんな……こんな夜明けを見るぐらいなら、終わっておくべきだった！ 畜生、畜生！』
part 2 :
『約束通り、殺しッてやらァ！ あァ！？ ナツキ・スバルぅぅぅッ！！』
『そんなにウチが欲張りなん？ 贅沢なこと言ってる？ 誰も死ぬな、誰も泣くな……何が、そんなに難しいん？』
Thanks for this find. I'll translate Rem's after I finish this chapter I'm working on
Remon, Remon, can you translate this scene at some point?
>>Woman: “I'm sorry, Emilia. I am so sorry. Never told you even a single important thing, hiding absolutely everything... letting you stay a cute princess forever, please forgive me... forgive us.”
I wonder how everything is going to change in the LN, considering they made Emilia more capable and less ignorant. Not to mention how Puck also gets less attention in the LN, or that certain elements of his contract had to have been changed to make added scenes work.
The fact Subaru and Ram actually agree on something shows that it won't end well for Garfiel.
But anyway I'm very currious to see how Rem will react to seeing Garfiel again? Will Rem consider him as her enemy for attempting to steal nee-sama away from her or will Rem instead help Garfiel out by giving him advice on how to hit on Ram?
Hrm. I think Rem's part mentions how some characters will come alive and develop beyond the framework of what the author originally intended for them, with Subaru himself being a notable example of this, but that Rem stands out as having completely removed herself from the original plot to the point where not even a trace of what he first planned for her is left.
Personally, I'm betting he used to be involved in something involving politics. He's shown to be a rather poor merchant, but he's apparently good at managing internal affairs and Emilia's campaign. He also shows a talent for scheming, knows a thing or two about hostage scenarios are supposed to work, and has a skill set ideal for spying.
He's clearly not unskilled by any means, except that he's not very good at using these to be an actual merchant. His talents seem to lay more in shady backdoor politics.
Going by all of the interviews and Q&As, you can actually figure out that Rem grew to the point where she literally added an extra Arc to the story.
>Gluttony gets into the tower, so all the drama with that can be milked and Subaru and Ram can face off against them together.
How triggered will Ram be from seeing Ley use Rem's memory and mock everyone?
Subaru would be, Ram would only really be able to understand the intent. Though depending on what he says she could get really, really mad and it would probably hurt her heart in a kind of vague way.
she wanted to take over the show and she succeeded
I think Ley saying something like "How can you still call yourself her elder sister? Like, you don't even understand her as much as I do, one-chann-" and start acting like YandeRem will trigger Ram a lot and make her jump Ley.
Yeah, there are ways he could piss her off royally, beyond just existing that is, she's pretty mad about that already.
Just having the 'first' time she's heard her sister's voice and it coming from Ley would be awful.
Well, that's literally the thing in Rem's character description page. While other characters, mostly Subaru, grew past Tappei's original plans, Rem freed herself entirely from the original plot's framework and went completely off the rails.
If you also look at the interviews, Tappei says he originally planned for their to be only 10 arcs. Something happened in Arc 3, where the story grew beyond his original plans, so that he needed to add another arc. Rem is a danger to the plot's original structure.
Rem would have made arc 4 too easy so Tappei had to take her out of that and then he added arc 6 as extra arc for her awakening, maybe.
Wouldn't just be arc 6. All of Subaru's interactions, his dilemma, seeing Rem in Lust and so on all had to be thought of.
A lot of shit had to be reworked because of her, if what he says in the interviews is true.
>Q: If Rem didn’t get so popular, would the stream have been considerably different?
>A: The stream would continue its course, but the height of its waves would be different.
Well yes. Rem's character page mentioned Subaru as another character who had a strong tendency to grow beyond the author's original plans. Now, I wonder if there's anything in particular that might have influence Subaru's character development to go a little off-course. Maybe some character whose presence brings out a completely different side of him.
At this point, I'm half-expecting Al's interaction with Rem to be a play on how she's escaped her original role, and that Ram was actually the one supposed to accompany Subaru to the city.
Nah. That would probably traumatize Subaru and do just as much damage.
>At this point, I'm half-expecting Al's interaction with Rem to be a play on how she's escaped her original role
Actually, now that I think about it, is Tappei the kind of guy who would introduce a plothook for meta reasons like that? Would he have written a situation where Al knows the original "plot" and reacts with distress when he notices a scene has been changed?
I think it may be a similar deal, but not a meta joke. Al obviously knows more than he lets on, and perhaps something like how a set of events was supposed to play out, or expected a certain something to be dead along with the twins.
He already knew Ram so it's related to them for sure. A meta joke wouldn't really work like that when its pre established that he knows Ram even before she introduces herself.
>Q: If Rem didn’t get so popular, would the stream have been considerably different?
>A: The stream would continue its course, but the height of its waves would be different.
Despite the odd choice of the word "stream" I take that he says that everything that happened, even Rem and Subaru taking over their original roles happened before the readers' reaction. Maybe "height of its waves" means that after the reader's reaction he decided do spend more time describing certain stuff, but without changing the couse of events he already planned.
But this also means that Subaru falling for Rem, Rem becoming a potato and everything that Subaru does about it and the eventual reawakening is stuff planned since the final draft instead of being the result of Tappei giving in to the Remfags and then trying to patch it up
I'm pretty sure when he's saying stuff like that he means essentially in preproduction. The From Zero speech was conceived of before Rem as the one to deliver it was, and her role was expanded to allow her to do so. But that naturally would've had to have been decided extremely early, even before he really started writing since its the title of the work and all.
the best theory IMO is that Subaru time travels
there are basically theories that Subaru is actually both Flugel and Al and he just somehow time traveled.
People think that he's Flugel, because Flugel's student, Shaula, says that Subaru smells like her teacher and also Satella says that she has loved him for 400 years
And also Subaru could be Al, because they're both from japan, their height is the same, they weigh the same and they both have time traveling abilities. Plus we never see Al's face.
I didn't call it a joke. Also, the thing about "It's still alive" isn't in the WN as far as I know. Not sure if the manga translators fucked up.
I was more suggesting that Al has "spoilers" from Tappei's original plans and knew Ram was supposed to be there, as Ram herself says she's the one who normally goes traveling with Roswaal. Al's reaction suggests he knew beforehand that Ram was supposed to be there, and Rem deciding to go in her place was the only reason she wasn't.
Tappei says that not even a trace of Rem's original role remains, so I was thinking he may have decided to incorporate that into the story itself.
That's what it sounds like. He doesn't phrase anything like he gave into the character's popularity, but rather that her character just came to life while he was writing her and everything turned out completely different than the idea he had in mind. Besides, Rem is from very early in the story, before the series got much popularity in the first place.
Pretty much, though he may have actually ended up characterizing her different as he was writing her, and he may have gotten different ideas for scenes as he went along. From what I picked up from various Q&As, she basically went from a background character to a legitimate heroine. Ram's role was probably expanded alongside her own.
Let Subaru impregnate Rem and make the Oni stay in the mansion for the rest of the story.
The way I see it, I don't think Subaru only wants praises from Rem. Instead it's about him being uncomfortable with other people praising him so casually without knowing whether Subaru really needs it or deserves it. Meanwhile Rem is the only one to understand Subaru most so he allows her to judge, compliment, criticize, or praise him all she wants.
>Let Subaru impregnate Rem and make the Oni stay in the mansion for the rest of the story.
That would give her even more influence on his development. Also as if Rem would let Subaru go out fighting while she sits at home. They either go both or they stay both at home.
I'm hoping she remembers everything Subaru's been telling her while she's in a coma, just so she's familiar with how he's changed. And because I think that would be kind of sweet. I also expect her to find an occupation which keeps her close to Subaru when he travels, since the mansion is no longer solely dependent on her for upkeep. Maybe become his Disciple if he goes the Sage route, as I don't know who could possibly fit that role better. They'll probably go on some actual dates.
Other than that, I expect things to get a little awkward with both Emilia and Ram, moreso than they are already. Aldebaran will also probably get another opportunity to freakout, as events start obviously deviating from his expectations.
Giving him a wife and children is a pretty huge fucking change that would deeply affect his character and how everyone relates to him.
Nah, she'd let him go fight if she thought he had enough support.
As much as Subaru loves Rem, he still can't have her stick with him all the time, especially when she is pregnant. So I guess Subaru will convince Rem to stay home with Frederica and Petra. I mean it will be hard for Rem to listen to Subaru, but it's not entirely impossible. If Rem does love Subaru and the baby, she will listen.
>Besides, Rem is from very early in the story, before the series got much popularity in the first place.
I wonder when was that Rem became the most popular character during the WN publication
What? That she never gets to see the man she loves die? Isn't that something she mentioned during From Zero, that she hopes to die before him?
For some reason, that just makes me want her to get a chance to see him die some time. Better yet if she can somehow remember it. Let's go full trauma here.
>Isn't that something she mentioned during From Zero, that she hopes to die before him?
I might be forgetting something here anon, but did she really say that? I honestly can't remember it.
> Let's go full trauma here
There will be no trauma because Rem will kill herself as soon as she sees Subaru die.
A Rem without Subaru will be broken as hell so I guess she wouldn't want to keep her life anymore.
Or that Oni were created to resemble humans. Are there any other demihumans in Re:Zero who have such a close resemblance? Even elves have noticeable ears and strange eyes, while Oni look indistinguishable from humans as long as their horns are retracted.
Maybe something similar will be part of her self esteem development. Subaru dies, she kills herself, Echidna or someone shows him, he tries to strengthen her self esteem and explains her that he didn't go through hell and saved her ass so she'd die with him later on
It's true in the sense that she never gets to react to his death, which is the point.
I think it'd be a pretty heavy fucking blow to him if he saw a timeline where he died, and Rem just completely lost it and spent all of her time talking to his grave.
>spent all of her time talking to his grave
Holy shit this is even sadder than Subaru spending every night talking to comatose Rem.
I will have mad respects for them if they can hold back their lust and not fuck each other until the end of the series.
No, only Crusch-sama and her family can give Ferri the treatment and love he deserves.
Welp. I guess Rem really is done for. I can't imagine her survive more than say three days with nothing but Ram's freshly steamed potatoes.
Oh and I don't think Nee-sama will be able to survive either.
That's how it struck me, though he tried to downplay it after the fact. Still, how often do Gospels refer to people by name?
I've kind of been wondering how detailed Al's knowledge is for a long time. He knows "Ram" is in the city, but did he also know about Subaru? Events change up between loops, and he doesn't seem to be put off when Subaru visits to see Priscilla. I'm assuming Subaru not showing up didn't upset him either, but we have no way to tell.
It seems to me that whatever foreknowledge he has, it's really just a general impression with a few specific details that stand out. So, I guess that might be a good match for a Gospel.
Some of the changes are pretty conspicuous and have no other reason to be there. It's probably going to be smoothed over so that the same ideas are reintroduced for people who never saw the scenes the anime cut. For all we know, Emilia and Subaru will have a conversation about how he loves Rem during one of the times she's yelling about him being a liar.
I find pretty ironic the parallel between Tappei dealing with Rem going off the rails and Subaru.
A character that initially is expected to be a bystander suddenly grows on him while he still tries to stay true to the intention of preferring Emilia
Something about this strikes me as perfect in a story with themes of defying fate. We have a King selection based on the Dragon's prophecy, the Bishops and Roswaal trying to enforce a certain intended future, and even the great hero Reinhard is often described as a slave to fate.
Speaking of Reinhard, his character description page was also a little interesting. Especially the last sentence about how he has a "friendly and absolutely faultless personality...at first sight."
But I digress. In such a story, one in which there was clearly only ever supposed to be one heroine, don't you think it's just so fitting that Rem ended up breaking out from the original designs for her?
New side stories and Rem What If chapter in 2 weeks.
I sure as hell don't want to see the current Emilia deliver it at all because it will be outright awkward and uncharacteristic of her to do that.
However, if Tappei had designed a new Emilia to carry out that one specific task from the get-go in a story where Rem didn't exist, then that Emilia (or Rem 2.0) would totally be capable of delivering the speech.
That's pretty retarded line of thinking that for someone to likable they need to butter up the MC. Emilia is already pretty likable by the fanbase and that wasn't her role anyway. The point of her rejection was start on his path to change by setting up his downfall and eventually him come to terms who he is and . Tappei doesn't want her to be some Rem 2.0
But she already done all that speedreader and was even praise for it.
I liked her before it.
At this point you may as well ask why he didn't just design Emilia as Rem, because that's what we'd be getting. I mean, there are already a few similarities in their backstory. Village sacked by the Witch Cult, self-esteem issues, and whatnot. Silver-haired Princess Rem would be a very different story.
Yeah, this is why I said definitely. She was already a favorite, but the speech elevated her at "nothing ever will make another character of the story more liked than her" tier.
Emilia didn't even reject him. She just stuck with her original plan to leave him to get treated by Felix.
Well, it's hard to really calculate. Polls only tend to show how many people voted on a favorite. It's like those polls here where people were voting for King Candidates. Anastasia is widely regarded as one of the better choices, but few people seem to see her as an ideal first choice. If a poll allowed people to pick their second and third choices, would they still come out looking the same?
Anyhow, I've seen a few jokes people make about calling her a phantom heroine or EMS(Emilia Maji Side-heroine). It seems to be a fairly common joke.
> Silver-haired Princess Rem
Dude, I will kill just to read this story. I mean, I will miss the maid Rem for sure, but the story about silver-haired Rem (or Emilia) sounds too interesting to pass up.
The problem is not whether Emilia could deliver a speech since we don't know that. It's issue that it's impossible for it to happen to begin with as part of the reason From Zero to happens is because her fight with Subaru. His screw up with her with her supposed to show first cracks his ideology and prideful and egoistically behavior which gets beaten out of him by everything that happened in that arc until he admits his problems.
Rem could help him pick the pieces at that time because she was the only one he hadn't burned his bridges with and she had become devoted to him by that point with after magic beasts incident. It's only when he decided shred away his desired to use glory and obligation as means to have Emilia return his feelings with Rem's help that he got better.
You know how popular Emilia is just by looking at the pixiv pic counter. Even Ram has more than her. Of course it's because Rem carries Ram hard but it's still ridiculous considering that Emilia has arguably the better design and is the main heroine.
Nope, but I check out Japanese twitters and such.
I'm referring to that fact that Emilia hasn't made a speech or been useful as that guy claimed.
>Emilia didn't even reject him. She just stuck with her original plan to leave him to get treated by Felix.
She literally told him they were going to part ways here after what she said. The deal for his treatment had already been made and that was separate issue. Emilia isn't cruel to suddenly cut off from that.
Emilia herself was not expecting to see him again. Rem and Crusch were hoping that he would at least wise up and go back and apologize properly.
Well hey. Emilia still has twice as much art as Subaru. Maybe. The fujos all seem to have a special tag where they hide all of their stuff away, and that's chock full of Subaru smut.
>has arguably the better design
One can argue about anything. I'd say that more thought was definitely put into designing Emilia. However, I feel it doesn't quite look right to be.
>Emilia herself was not expecting to see him again.
He works at the manor, clearly has friends there, and she left him with Rem. She was probably expecting him back after he finished up with treatment. I don't think Emilia is cruel enough to just abandon some ignorant illegal immigrant to fend for himself.
>tfw the real spanner in the works of the plotters is Rem
No it can't because they are fighting and Subaru is afraid to show his weakness his to her. Emilia does not love him at that point in time to say what Rem did to him.
Furthermore Arc 3 is supposed come full-circle with Subaru meeting her after he's changed and been humbled which leads to their reconciliation.
Eh. Emilia does get plenty of art on Japanese twitter. She's not hated or anything.
Of course, Julius should be ranking pretty fucking high if we're judging by twitter. I can hardly find a twitter artist who isn't a Julius fan.
Anon, that's why I said that Tappei could have changed the events that lead to from zero so that Emilia had to do the speech. He's the author and he's smart, he could have done whatever he wanted and it's not about "he can't show his weakness and she doesn't love him at this point"
>He works at the manor, clearly has friends there, and she left him with Rem. She was probably expecting him back after he finished up with treatment. I don't think Emilia is cruel enough to just abandon some ignorant illegal immigrant to fend for himself.
Um no whole point was that as far she was concerned he was basically fired. Even the manga and LN states that for first time Suabru was truly alone that world. It would make no sense for her to say I'm gonna leave here and comeback later when they just reached the breaking point. That was point her clearing the debt.
Except I've sen that polls and none of them speak against anything. By your logic Rem is only character anyone likes in this series because she most popluar due to the polls instead of you know.. the polls just showing Rem just being liked the most and not necessary other characters being hated or disliked because they have less votes. That why you even see Rem fans making art of Emilia. Believe it or not this isn't an either or thing.
Why is it that one gay friend always gets popular?
That not relevant to my point at all. Rem being more liked than every other character does not =/= every other character disliked. It's non-sequitur that makes a false dichotomy. Liking another character more that another doesn't mean have to hate that said character else because it not a zero-sum game.
My point wasn't about Emilia being hated or something. She's just not popular for the amount of screentime, her design and and her role she has. For her circumstances she's not
"pretty likable by the fanbase"
Well aside from his gay side not being overplayed or being the sole reason for the existence of his character
assuming the EX volume that seems to touch on it isn't bullshitting, or we're overplaying his "friendly admiration" for Reinhard, and he actually gets things done and is otherwise a fleshed out character on his own.
Being good looking helps too i guess.
Would Meili be a problem? She seems have the same amount of bloodlust as Rem. Plus they're both a tad psychopathic so. The only problem is that if Rem is willingly able to overlook that Meili tried to kill Subaru at one point. Though that is also a common point both of them could have.
That's pretty vague bullshit you made up to somehow claim she disliked. You can't qualify any of that and standards don't exist for you to make that claim. Who readers or watcher like more has nothing to do with character status. Case in point Subaru was not only one of least liked characters in his own series but also protagonist in Narou for a longtime despite having 99% of screentime in the series and his MC status had nothing to do with that.
It's not even clear if he's gay or not. Julius strikes me more as someone who wants to be like Reinhard, no matter how impossible it is, than to be inside Reinhard.
>Even the manga and LN states that for first time Suabru was truly alone that world.
He wasn't even alone. Rem was still there to watch over him until he recovered, and Roswaal was the one who hired Subaru in the first place. I never got the impression she never expected to see him again, but more that Subaru was being a melodramatic idiot about the whole matter.
That's funny I don't remember saying I followed that little, but nice try. I even stated that Rem fans draw her too. Don't throw a shade at me because most JP people aren't buthurt about waifuwars as you.
Why do I get this feeling that all this dislike towards Emilia is stemming from trauma from Emiliafags rather than Emilia herself?
>He wasn't even alone.
That's what he felt and what Emilia's presence and rejection meant to him. Rem was still just a co-worker and something of symbolic surrogate family to him like with everyone at the mansion. Those were his own thoughts regardless if you agree with them or not.
I don't know what this has to do with waifuwars. You claimed that Emilia is pretty liked by the fanbase what is not really true.
> I even stated that Rem fans draw her too
What are you even trying to say with this? You can't nullify actual polls and various other data by a couple twitter account you follow and some artist who just like to draw characters.
Most people don't dislike Emilia. They just don't care much for her and are saying she isn't as popular as should be expected of main heroine.
Of course, you're not wrong that early Emiliafags in these threads had a tendency to deliberately try to stir up shitstorms, and these threads go to shit whenever the local Emiliafag joins in.
Yes. Those were his thoughts, but not the actual reality of the situation. Which is why I said he was being unnecessarily melodramatic.
You realize that Subaru is supposed to be an unlikable character and that he will develop over the full course of the series into a likable character? The fact that a character like him is as popular as the beautiful main heroine who is meant to be a likable character is a joke.
Not him but what he says >>152446942 is true regardless, he was indeed for the first time alone in the world, as he thought everyone abandoned him, or the equivalent. It only took Rem to make him realize that there was at least one person who wouldn't abandon him though. Even if he as being melodramatic about it at that point in time in arc 3 Subaru's sole purpose for his existence was Emilia he even stated himself, like how Ram was to Rem sort of thing.
>I don't know what this has to do with waifuwars. You claimed that Emilia is pretty liked by the fanbase what is not really true.
You have yet to prove that it is not true. All you have done is thrown a flippant comment at anything that implies the contrary. It's just something you want to believe to push your bias.
>What are you even trying to say with this? You can't nullify actual polls and various other data by a couple twitter account you follow and some artist who just like to draw characters.
My comments aren't just based on are twitter. Even them none of poll prove what you're saying. There is no % hate Emilia it's just stuff you pull from your ass extrapolate because you don't know how date actually works. One character being liked more does not mean another is hated unless there specific poll about that. That's not how drawn conclusions from data.
>You claimed that Emilia is pretty liked by the fanbase what is not really true.
I don't think Emilia is disliked or hated by any means, as I personally dislike hyperbole. However, I'll say she strikes me as only being relatively unpopular, rather than truly unpopular. Joking about how she "doesn't do anything" isn't just a western phenomena. They still might be more polite about it over there for a number of reasons.
Personally, I think a select few people managed to permanently sour discussions of Emilia here. I mean seriously, they tried to bully Remfags out of these threads at one point.
Did I ever argue otherwise? I just suggested we shouldn't take Subaru's melodramatic overreactions as an objective view of his actual situation. Things weren't as bad as he was acting like they were.
Why do you think Emilia is still miles behind Rem who was inactive for the majority of the story? People don't give a fuck about her. It's that simple. Even Beako and Ram who have significantly less screentime than her are on her level. You can't tell me that she's pretty popular.
I think these threads would certainly be a lot more peaceful if a few fans wouldn't interpreting anything that came out of Japan to suit their unsubstantial bias. Waifuwars are pointless to begin with since everything in is the authors hands. So trying to prop who is better or discrediting another character especially when can't be backed up with hard evidence is just stupid at this point. I would hoped that most anons would have grown out of it by now, but I guess not.
Well think of it this way, its a much better environment than when the anime aired. Even then we should stop the metaposting now before it gets out of hand and talk about the plot and story.
>They just don't care much for her and are saying she isn't as popular as should be expected of main heroine
Again where are getting this from? I'm pretty the fanbase isn't that simple and this not implied anywhere. Emilia lose to her in polls but so does everyone else. That doesn't mean nobody doesn't care about the other Suabru and Emilia as they should, they just like Rem more. This not mutually exclusive. Rem mostly likely stay most people character in the series regardless of what happens in the story.
>Yes. Those were his thoughts, but not the actual reality of the situation. Which is why I said he was being unnecessarily melodramatic.
Again what the reality of situation is irrelevant to how he actually feels. Emilia's presence was pretty much the world to him at that time and she was his savior as far he was concerned. He desperately wanted to be some sort of help/support to her that's why he pushed himself. She was the one person he truly cared about the most and reason he was at the mansion at all up till now.
Do you really think that Subaru truly cared about Emilia at this time? She did not mean the world to him. All he did was for himself and not for Emilia. He thought that if he can be useful to her that he could get into her pants faster but she told him to fuck off with his annoying special treatment and Subaru lost it because of his arrogance.
>You realize that Subaru is supposed to be an unlikable character and that he will develop over the full course of the series into a likable character?
But we aren't talking about author's intent. Even when he supposed to be unlikable there were people still liked him for being an otaku.
> The fact that a character like him is as popular as the beautiful main heroine who is meant to be a likable character is a joke.
Emilia is more popular than Subaru is among readers, but besides your saying arbitrary things that have no meaning. There no such thing as supposed to or needs to. People aren't robots who dances to author's will. Rem should be one of proofs of that. If MC status and writing matter that popular than Rem shouldn't be beating Subaru and Emilia by 2-3x the amounts of votes. So the most likely conclusion here is that it's not that Subaru and Emilia are disliked it's Rem liked more, by disproportional amount.
I like how keep ignoring the fact she miles of ahead of everyone because shows how flimsy this argument is. You have a point if Rem wasn't beating everyone else too. Again this what you're suspiciously extrapolating from data that implies neither. Don't speak for a fanbase you really no idea about apart from numbers.
What can Rem do that anyone character can't?
Anyone could fall in love with him by the author's decisions.
Most of characters can fight, work with and defend him which most of them do.
Basically you could apply this everybody so what kind of logic is this?
That's like saying Rem is just Subaru's goal now.
Emilia has much of her own past history and goals to deal long before he showed up as with Rem. Subaru just butted into most of their lives and got involved in things that had nothing to do with him.
Anon, didn't Subaru particularly mention that he did everything not for him but for Emilia during his confession to her in episode 25? I'm on phone right now so I can't quote the whole line, but I remember Subaru saying something along the lines of "I wasn't wrong when I said I did it for you."
I'm not sure but didnt Crusch call him out on that? He was also surprised that Rem answered him with 'because I want to' when he asked her why she stayed with him and helped him and that was like the opposite of how he felt about doing stuff for Emilia. He wanted something in return.
Those two things aren't mutual exclusive though. His shallow pride partially driven by his lack self worth. Deep down he feared Julius was right, that he didn't have qualifications to be Emilia's side as someone she could depend on as her Knight and lover because of his lack of talent combat or average intelligence compared to people like Julius. This kind of even creeps back in Arc 4 when tells Satella that RBD is all he can do and he's desperate to abuse it because he would at least it would feel less powerless.
Can you give me a reason why you prefer summary over chicken? I need to convice myself to start reading summaries instead of becoming old and grey waiting for chicken. (No offense to him though)
I find his writing to be pretty readable and enjoyable. Whether that's a reflection of his skill at translation or if the original text is just a bit more bland when translated as accurately as possible I'm not sure. Plus some of the obviously summarized lines are hilarious.
Well for one, they aren't summaries, they're fully translated chapters. People call him summary anon because one guy coined him that and the name stuck. There isn't really much reason to stick with chicken considering the only thing summary anon doesn't always translate are obscure 2ch memes Subaru talk bout from time to time. Which he gives a basic description of.
And? That everyone now need to play a role Subaru's development to be worth something? This story isn't all about him. Regardless of what effect any character might have on him (which they all do in different ways) none of them should revolve around him. The whole reasons Emilia, Wilhelm, Rem etc because they exist outside of him and they have own circumstances. Rem can play some role in his development because she specifically devoted herself him after she fell for him after she help solve her problems.
Any character in this story has enough to them that they literally be their own MC.
He self-styles as summaries, he doesn't really feel confident enough to call them translations and he always reserves the right to skim and whatnot even if he does so infrequently.
I think that Subaru's relatioship to Emilia and Rem's relationship to Subaru are good parallels here. Subaru did things for Emilia because he expected to get something in return. Mostly love I guess. Rem helped Subaru out of love 'because I want to' while not expecting anything in return.
So, I think it's fair to say that Emilia wasnt 'the world' to him like anon said.
>This story isn't all about him.
What in god's name are you saying?
I'm not sure how you're finding the criticism hard to understand. Rem has done a lot of visible things with a lot of impact that make people on average see her as a main character and heroine no matter how much Emiliafags might bitch about 'irrelevant side character'
Conversely, on average, people don't feel that Emilia has enough 'oomph' to justify her supposed status as main heroine and the dissonance between these two leads people to grumble.
People might like Crusch, or want to see Crusch more or whatnot, but no one complains about her under or over-stepping perceived bounds because she's simply not marketed the same way.
Chicken's is less rushed and more polished. He also pays more attention to things like prose and doesn't just translate things literally. Anon's is still good especially for it's speed.
Saying that the story isn't about Subaru is like saying Evangelion isn't about Shinji
I think she was, but got twisted when he got to Royal Election and realized how "small" he was in the grand scheme of things. He started to discredit his own achievements and got desperate because of it. It eventually turned into being more about him than her which Emilia called him out on. It was thanks Rem showing him that even didn't "talent" he was able to do heroic things like saving her and villagers in Arc 2. He didn't need to be like Julius or Wilhelm to help people or support Emilia. She would be his strength to help him with that. In turn Subaru becomes this for Emilia thanks to Rem.
It's you don't seem to undersatnd. Just because you're criticizing something does not mean it is wrong. Emilia has done things with impact and that is fact. Where you personally cared about them or not because you got Rem googles on is not irrelevant. That fact discrediting that fact just means the problems on your end not anyone else.
>Conversely, on average, people don't feel that Emilia has enough 'oomph' to justify her supposed status as main heroine and the dissonance between these two leads people to grumble.
By people you mean yourself and some people here. Newsflash we aren't hivemind and you have no general consensus to make that statement. If don't like Emilia that's fine but again stop speaking for everyone.
>People might like Crusch, or want to see Crusch more or whatnot, but no one complains about her under or over-stepping perceived bounds because she's simply not marketed the same way.
I'm not sure what Crusch has anything to do. There are also like her more than Rem. Crusch isn't a heroine, she not more popular Emilia and Rem. Furthermore most of shitfilging at Emilia is coming from Remfags and vis versa. Fans of the other characters mostly don't give a shit.
>save Subaru from the thugs at the beginning of the story, which is something that the current Emilia neither does nor remembers.
>be damsel in distress.
>whine like a bitch every time Subaru breaks the promises.
Shitty people trying to become less shitty people. Plus the monkey's paw of isekais I guess? With a healthy dose of tragedy.
I imagine she will become this for Subaru eventually completing the trinity. She already promised to him with saving Rem for his sake if nothing else. This all assuming of course if polygamy remains a thing all the way to the end and nothing happens to Rem.
That would mean that Subaru would have two Rems and that's redundant. Also Rem has still no Rem for herself so Emilia should take the role or are you saying that Rem doesn't need her own Rem?
But there is no such thing as underperforming in popularity poll. Side characters being more poplar than MCs isn't even a new thing. Moreover this still applies to Subaru too. This his story, but a character with less depth than him is beating him by a wide margin. Again it's rare a case about being disliked, just another character being liked more. That's one of the reason why the author doesn't care about stuff like that.
Not previous anon, but I also compared them and there is very little difference. Actually, I preferred TL-anon's phrasing usually.
They're sorted and consistently named. Apologize.
Do you know what 'on average' means? Or why it was included there. The common consensus from basically everyone is that no, Emilia doesn't do a lot. Its why they make jokes about her position slipping in official materials, its why the LN has been expanding her role earlier, the people making this took notice and decided it was indeed worthy of addressing. You are the one with Emilia googles ignoring what everyone else has been saying with your head up your ass.
>There are also like her more than Rem. Crusch isn't a heroine, she not more popular Emilia and Rem.
This was exactly the point you ESL twat. No one cares about Crusch doing too little or not showing up enough because she not touted as the super special main heroine. Emilia is. Because Emilia