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Some new Kizu part 3 stills have been revealed including Guillotinecutter's carcass.

http://www.cyclone-graphics.com/works/kizumonogatari-3/
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>>152376022
>the wait
Agony
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Goddess
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Glad it flopped
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So, did part 3 flop even harder?
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>>152377474
Yes. Total fail. I'm worry about Owari 3 adaptation now.
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>>152377474
Yup, and SHAFT has no one to blame but themselves.

They waited too long to release it and then had the audacity to split it into three parts that ran for a mere hour.
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>>152377564
TV series will be fine. It's the jewing aniplex pulled for the movies that got backlash. Hope it happens to Heaven's Feel as well, though I doubt it since Fatefags are blind drones
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>part 2 was overshadowed by both "your name" and "a silent voice"
>part 3 is being overshadowed by "in this corner of the world"

nice fuck-up shaft
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>>152377633
>SHAFT
You mean Aniplex. Those are publisher decisions.
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>>152377682
>Hope it happens to Heaven's Feel as well

bitter monogatarifag
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>>152377735
Then Aniplex has no one to blame but themselves. They should've released Kizu back when Monogatari was super popular. Also it should've been two films instead.
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Shaft has nothing for spring, summer(new movie) and fall.
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>>152377961
Wouldn't be surprised if some Madoka project is announced.
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>>152378058
They should finish monogatari first.
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>>152378141
A new novel was just announced in the last one.
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>>152377822
It shouldve been one film.
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>>152378229
Off-season and Monster Season will never be animated.
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I really hope Monogatari can recover. Especially since the novels seem to finally going in an interesting direction again.

The movies themselves werent horrible either. They just shouldve made it one long 3 hour movie to make up for all the years they took to make it.
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>>152378313
Think Shinbo will go back on what he said? I hope he doesnt.
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>>152377961
They will probably adapt UQ Holder.
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>read the kizu LNs
>felt like the scenes with cat were pretty short and the main focus was koyomi talking with shinobu and questioning his humanity
>shinobu is literally asleep for the entire second movie
>movies are 90% cat fan service
They reached for the low hanging fruit and fell flat on their faces. I'm glad it's flopping. Fuck Shaft.
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>>152378493
Cat ruined everything. Fucking slut.
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>>152378549
Aniplex ruined everything. It should've been one long film and should've been released years ago when the Monogatari hype was super strong.

Also didn't help that the second film was airing while "Kimi no na Wa" and "Koe no Katachi" were also airing. There was no way it would be able to compete with those two especially the first.
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What was Shaft thinking
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If anything, are the BD sales decent?
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>>152376022
>>152377161

I can't wait.
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>>152378813
Kizumonogatari II adds 989/220, total 42,075.
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>>152378369
If they still continue with the TV series and it flops then forget about anything concerning the extra stories that come after Owari.
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>>152378549
>Cat gets kizu, neko: kuro, and neko: shiro
>Cat gets three arcs that have enough screen time to be its own anime series
>she doesn't exhibit any personality aside from being "le big tits glasses girl" until she makes an appearance in Hanamonogatari, which isn't even her arc
How is it possible for one character to be so shit? I genuinely think she's worse than snake. I have so much hate, anon.
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>>152378845
That doesnt sound too bad to me but then again I dont know shit about good sales.
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Do you have to watch any other monogatari to watch Kizu? (Ive seen nise, bake, neko, and "second season", but havent since and i forgot a shit ton) all in all do i have to rewatch anything, to watch whats out of kizu so far?
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>>152378920
> Do you have to watch any other monogatari to watch Kizu?
No
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>>152376022
Nice
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>>152378890
Shinbo is a Catfag and stated that one of the reasons he continues working on the series is to look more into her character. Also pretty obvious that she's a favorite of Nisio.

She's not going anywhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if she got another arc in the future. Whine some fucking more.
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>>152378998
I'll whine as much as I want you fucking fag.
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>>152378905
Look alright to me since movie sales are usually around that range unless they are very popular series. Monogatari at this point isn't that popular as it used to so although the sales are alright compared to the sales Monogatari used to sell on the tv anime discs it's very disappointed for a hype up release for over 7 years.
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>>152378998
>Shinbo is a Catfag
No shit, retard.
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>>152379096
Wish Japan did jump off hype trains so fast for the new fad.
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>>152378920
You were meant to see Kizu after Bake. Yet here we are.
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>>152379060
I literally told you to whine some more. You're also an idiot, I see.
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>>152378998
She's a communist terrorist who hates world borders that is wanted by everyone. I'd die inside if more of her was written in the future LN's.
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Kizu 3 PV was terrible. I can't understand why.
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>>152379250
I forgot about that. That is kind of pushing the mary sue to a new level. What a bitch.
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I'm so glad the movies did like shit.

I gave this shitty ass studio my heart and money for years to be fucked like this. Fucking shit is nothing like the book.

>>152378890

This guy is totally right, they skipped so many important dialogue like the talk about araragi wanting to be a plant. Made it look like the faggot just turned into a tree because fuck you.

What was that shit about him pulling his arm out? It fucking regenerated in seconds.

And god, that awful, cringy Episode animation being repeated during the fight.

They had ONE job and completely managed to fuck everything up. Fuck SHAFT. Fuck Jewniplex. This shitty trilogy never existed, everyone back to the light novel.
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>>152379250
Eventually she'll cause WW3 and then Monogatari will just turn into Steins;Gate with Araragi going full vamp and time traveling with Kiss-Shot to prevent it.
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>>152379206
Yes and I will whine more. Are you stupid or something m8?
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>>152379250
>I'd die inside if more of her was written in the future LN's.

Then die inside. She's one of the few characters that has a constant presence in the entire series.
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>>152379541
More than one can say about Crab.
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>>152379250
Her being an internationally wanted criminal while Koyomi a cop is actually a good set-up for another arc. I wonder what Nisio has in stores for the cast.
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>>152379506
I would love that.
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>>152379541
>wh-who cares if she's shit? At least she has "a constant presence"
Oh I see, you're just a catfag.
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>>152379724
Yes, she's my favorite. She's had constant presence throughout the entire series so I don't see that changing in the future novels. I think you took my comment wrong.
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>>152379797
The problem with Hanekawa is that she doesn't change. I liked the arc where she realized that she should embrace her envy and frustrations instead of ignoring them, but she hasn't really changed at all since that arc. She was pretty much exactly the same in Koimonogatari. The reason I prefer Kanbaru or Sengoku to her is that they changed and stayed changed after their arcs. Hanekawa is so static
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Honestly these movies have felt like a rather sub-par adaptation. Which is unfortunate considering how long SHAFT has supposedly been working on them.
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>>152380063
Yeah I still get more enjoyment with the LN over the movies.
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>>152379971
>but she hasn't really changed at all since that arc

The summary for the newest novel revealed that Koyomi thinks Hanekawa changed the most out of everyone.
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>>152376022
Apparently the final fight in Kizu 3 was really violent.
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>>152379797
Well I hope you're satisfied because there will never be another monogatari movie after Reiketsu.
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>>152380138
As it should be.
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>>152380123
Well that's shit writing then, because she's just been more of the same "wonderful person nice girl" crap she's always been doing. I get that she'd doing all kinds of intense political shit, but she's still just doing good things. I think I'd think she was more interesting if she did something wrong for once
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>>152376022
Is it any different than what we already got?
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>>152380318
>another monogatari movie after Reiketsu.

You say that like it's a bad thing. They screwed up a ton with Kizu so I'd rather they stick to doing seasons.
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>>152380123
Yes, she went from an anime cliche who's entire existence revolved around Araragi's penis to an actual person like everyone else. She has finally made it to the level every other character has started at.

Truly astounding, you must be proud.
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>>152380408
>she went from an anime cliche who's entire existence revolved around Araragi's penis to an actual person like everyone else

If that's all you truly got from her character in all her arcs especially White then so be it.
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>>152380406
>just because kizu was done badly that means there never was, nor will be, a possibility for a good monogatari movie
How small-minded can you get? Stop posting, catfag.
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>>152380338
>she did something wrong for once
she's a wanted criminal in literally every nation so she must've done a few things wrong
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>>152380138
It's literally Koyomi and Kiss-shot just standing in place and ripping each other apart for like an hour. It should be absurdly violent and over-the-top. Did the movies even show Shinobu or Koyomi digging around in their heads?
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>>152380502
Not an argument.
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>>152380510
I'd rather have a season over another book being split in three one-hour long films. If you feel differently then okay.
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>>152380502
Oh. You're that faggot. The one who claims that there is amazing depth to her but always says some inane shit that everyone already knows and doesn't mean anything when pressed for details.
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>>152380556
I'm not here to argue. If that's all you got from her character then so be it. You're entitled to your own opinion anon.
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>>152380502
>wow her stepdad hit her that one time so deeeep
ayy lmao
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>>152380502
Dude, it's not that she didn't have cool arcs, it's just that they didn't stick at all in an interesting way. Araragi said he loved Senjougahara more than her, and she cried and accepted it. Now, she's back to being interested in him, and offers him her boobs to motivate him, just like she used to. She's supposed to have excepted her anger/envy and yet she is still the same laidback kind girl. She hasn't fucking changed at all, despite what her arcs tell you. It's annoying
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>>152379971
Hanekawa was basically already an adult by the start of the story, it's not like she will fundamentally change how she thinks, she will only free herself from what's weighing her down. It was the same for the other adult characters, like Senjougahara, Oikura and Hachikuji.

The change for me was more that her facade was lawful good and her inner self was actually chaotic good, which is clear in musubi, but since she spoils Araragi either way it wasn't that clear with the history narrated on his PoV.
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>>152380578
I don't think I am. If you have a screenshot from a previous thread then I can confirm whether it's me or not though.
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>>152380653
>you should go screencap old threads so you can argue better
Shit. ACK is a catfag. That explains everything.
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>>152380635
>it's just that they didn't stick at all in an interesting way.

Her arcs are the most interesting to me. If then aren't to you then that's okay.
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>>152380713
Not what I was saying at all, but nice job twisting my words.
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>catfag gets BTFO
>"w-well that's j-just ur opinion"
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>>152380791
>no dude, you just dont get it. The big boobs and cat ears makes her super complex
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>>152380791
She's the most interesting to me. I don't get why I have to post proof to back that up. That's my opinion, and if someone doesn't like her/thinks her arcs are boring then that's theirs.
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>>152380873
> I don't want to be perfect!
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>>152380716
Whatever dude
If the same shit gets your dick hard over and over go for it
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>>152380873
Oh yeah. Hanekawa probably was the inspiration for that comic.
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>>152380960
If you think I only like her for that reason then okay. I don't get why some of you get so up in arms about Cat.
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Hanekawa is an envy bitch. Shit character with too much screentime.
Sodachi is a real bro. Great character with too little screentime.
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>>152381052
Because people are sick of a character they don't like getting screentime. I'm not sure why you even started posting if you were just gonna drive by your opinion and then cop out.
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>>152381181
She really need to calm down when freaking out in social interactions.
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>just realized will get more of Gaen in future LN's

Sweet
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>>152381181
At first, I thought Sodachi was just a cold bitch who expected too much from a twelve year old Kyomi to read into her overly complicated subtext until that one scene where she said:
>When I saw your happy family, I knew I could never have that.
>That happiness looked too bright, I thought it would blind me.
>That happiness seemed too heavy, I thought it might crush me.
Or something like that. She was just self-sabotaging the whole time because she thought she was too broken, dysfunctional, or undeserving to have a happy life. And none of this is fed to the viewer directly. I wasn't able to figure this out until I thought on it for a few days.

Truly, Sodachi was an actually compelling character. She did more with the 10 minutes of screen time than Hanekawa ever did with her 12+ episodes or whatever the fuck.
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>>152381408
That's beautiful, my man. I'm going to rewatch Sodachi Riddle.
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>>152381408
Sodachi is actually Nisio's fav character. Amusing isn't it.
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>>152381399
>she will one day lend her phone to Araragi

Lewd
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>>152381408
I agree. That scene where she's telling Araragi and Hanekawa about what she went through and how she hates herself and shit was adapted so well in the anime
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>>152381934
She has three visible phones in that screencap alone. I guarantee you that it's nothing special. In fact, he should have been given one sooner.
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>>152381255
>people are sick of a character they don't like getting screentime

Only a few people since theres 20 people including myself in the thread. It would be a nice if the other girls got more screentime, but it seems Nisio doesn't feel the same for whatever reason.
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>>152380549
> Did the movies even show Shinobu or Koyomi digging around in their heads?
Yeah it was wierd
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>>152379506
FUCKING FUND IT
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>>152376022
>stills
Just go and fucking see it; it's what I'm doing.
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>>152382196
>i really hope i get to brag in about 5 minutes
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>>152380375
Which was this scene from? Feel like I missed sometjing
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>>152382196
Where?
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>>152382351
The first episode.
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>>152382351
First episode of bake does a quick runthrough of kizu.
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>>152382813
she S U C C
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>>152380873
Laughed to that.
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>>152377682
HF is considerably longer than Kizu and could actually use 3 movies. Kizu is a bad adaptation because it misuses its runtime. It would also fuck the pacing to a lesser degree since there are clear break points in the story. Obviously a Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya-tier movie would be preferable, but I'd rather see three parts than a shitty adaptation.

I'm not even a Fatefag, but I do like HF.
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>>152380123
>She took back the underwear she gave Araragi to cut out all traces from her past

We have officially lost her.
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>>152384711
I wish.
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When did you realize that the Iron-blooded hot-blooded cold-blooded Kiss-shot Acerola-Orion Heart-under-blade was the best girl?
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>>152382813
benis
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>>152386549
Never, but I really like her.
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>>152386549
Right off the bat.
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Please come out in the USA, I need to see this movie.
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>>152387477
>Right off the bat
>bat
Jolly good show, that chap.
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>>152387940

KA KA
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>>152386549
She isn't and she never was.
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well?
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>>152388057
Source?
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>>152376022
Kizu was supposed to be one movie, and before Nise. You took too long and delivered too little.
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>>152377474
>>152377564
>>152377633

So far, the movies have still sold 40k BDs

2016 alone Gatari series sold 3 million including merch, novels, ect.

its diminishing but not flopping. aniplex still made bread even from the smaller returns comparable to releasing it 2012.

id take smaller sales and higher quality. cuz the old kizu trailer looked weak in comparison
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Owari season 2 when?
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>>152382196
lies
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>>152381363
Unfortunately Nisio never gave the chance for her to settle down.

>Freaking out and fired from the public office arc in monster season
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>>152378764
that's a big cock

>>152378549
>>152378890

t. faggets
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>>152379555
literally who?
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>>152380635
Crabfags tears never fail to deliver
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>>152390770
Those are his intestines.
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>>152380635
Wasn't the whole point of her offering her tits to him in that arc to get across to Araragi that she was serious about listening to her over Ougi? Or am I misremembering this
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>>152388889
later this year
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What's with Shaft using so few colours in Kizu?
Both movies looked genuinely worse than the other gatari because of this.
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>>152394210
Probably because it all happens after sunset and before sunrise.
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>>152394210
>Both movies looked genuinely worse
the movies make the tv series look like shit except for the oishi directed bake episodes.
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>>152394259
Not at all, both bake and nise were more inspired, while kizu is just a boring monochromatic movie with some good animated scenes.
Which is not surprising since we're not talking about a tv series.
>>152394256
The same can be said about the previous monogatari though.
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>>152391211
That's how he saw it. She still accused him of a being a pervert/shallow even though she was the one who offered her tits in the first place
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>>152394259
Later Monogatari still looks very good when they want.
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>>152394494
Sodachi will have a lot of work to make that house habitable.
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>>152394494
It's a pity Shaft stopped giving a shit and monogatari adaptations went downhill right after nisemonogatari, because there are still good shots scattered in each arc.
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>>152394545
Shaft probably exagerrated how fucked up the house was to be fair, they exagerrate in every regard when it comes to scenery in this series after all
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>>152394590
Sodachi arc in general was really good looking though besides some QUALITY scenes. People just focus on how robotic the characters act in some webms even though it is an awkward situation to everyone and Sodachi is an awkward person.

It didn't need over the top imagery from bake or kizu.
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>>152394426
But Nise looks like a rehashed version of bake with worse art.
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>>152376022
>Still no proper Kizu 2 subs

What the fuck am i supposed to do at this point?
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>>152394864
Nise was better animated and better looking than Bake overall. That's straight up objective fact, everyone just cherry-picks the same few stylized scenes from Bake when talking about it's visuals.
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>>152394905
It was better animated, dunno if I preferred it's art style to Bake's though.
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>>152394905
The best animated fight in the tv series is Araragi vs Monkey. Nothing in Nise comes close to that.
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>>152394905
>Nise was better animated
Only better than the worse Bake arcs

>better looking than Bake overall
Not at all specially because the art direction pales in comparison to Bake. Neko Black looks better than Nise too.
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Nise was a masterpiece
Such meta-commentary on the very nature of fanservice in the medium of anime
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>>152394904
Try anilinkz if you need it right now?
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>>152394864
You can argue about Nise's plot, fanservice and so on, but I don't see how it was visually bad.
>>152395125
Araragi vs Karen was good too.
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>>152395532
???

How does that change the fact that there's no releases with proper subs? Are you dumb? Stupid streaming sites still use one of the releases
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>>152386549
When she started talking.
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>>152395264
I don't get why people hate on it. It's fun and hell and best boy is introduced
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>>152396398
Because muh fanservice.
Fun fact is, the worst episode is the only one with proper fanservice, aka toothbrush scene.
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What in the unholy hell is going on in this movie?
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>>152396398
Because it stopped being monster of the week and explored the characters.
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>>152396398
Nise was great. It introduced Kaiki and Kagenui who were fantastic antagonists and it finally had something like an overaching storyline instead just girl of the week. I think people only hate it because it had more fanservice than Bake.

The only problem I actually had with Nise was that Tsukihi doesn't actually appear that much, even in her own arc.
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>>152396542
It visualizes losing ones marbles.
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>>152396559
It's still girl of the week, in a certain sense; said girls just so happened to be araragi's sisters.
Either way nise is also a further development of araragi and hitagi's relationship.
It's true the series has more fanservice than bake, but it's purely visual and inserted during actual dialogues, and if you ask me neither vulgar nor annoying.
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>>152396754
Bake does that as well. Snail and Cat have significant portions dedicated to Senjougahara. Nise is only different from Bake because Oshino left and Araragi had to start relying on Shinobu and interacting with third parties.
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>>152396909
Bake is an unconventional romance story about araragi and hitagi, I was just pointing out their development continues in nise too.
I don't get your point about oshino leaving how did that affect the structure of the series?
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>>152397070
Oshino was kind of the go-to guy during Bake when the characters didn't understand shit. It kind of affected how everything was solved
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>>152397070
Because Oshino had all the answers to the problems Araragi was facing and was the permanent human link to the oddities. Without Oshino the importance of Shinobu as a character is heightened and it necessitates Kaiki and Kagenui being introduced. The process of the arcs changed dramatically.
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>>152381408
>Truly, Sodachi was an actually compelling character. She did more with the 10 minutes of screen time than Hanekawa ever did with her 12+ episodes or whatever the fuck.

The point of their arcs is completely different. Sodachi needs personal intervention and therapy while Hanekawa just needed to accept she wasn't at fault and swallow the fact that the attempts to connect with her stepparents and her adopting her abnormality of cutting her emotions to better suit their selfishness was the wrong path.

Sodachi on the other hand needs therapy badly to get her to stop being so willing to accept retribution to solve an issue when she isn't at fault.

They sound similiar, but Hanekawa had the more nuanced narrative. Sodachi was more tragic, but ultimately self inflicted tragedy. Hanekawa took so long because people were either too overwhelmed or over awed by her to approach her like a person instead of Saint (Araragi) or some demon in his head (Oshino), but she ultimately has greater personal strength.
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>>152398492
>Sodachi was more tragic, but ultimately self inflicted tragedy.
Yes, she self-inflicted 13 years of abuse, self-inflicted the insanity that made her live with a corpse and self-inflicted the social dysfunction that led her to becoming a hikikomori. You look like Meme saying Hanekawa's abuse was self-inflicted by acting too perfect, except the other way.
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>>152380338

How does a character acting in character mean bad writing. She is just more upfront, not suddenly going to become some super rude character to male an example, she was never like that thematically to use the same old gags some other characters do to stand out.

Plus, they cut out the parts of Tiger that directed showed how Hanekawa was dealing with two oddities inside her, instead of being like a majority if the other characters that had them removed or exorcised. Her butting heads in Ougi was another change, where normally she would simply just flick Ougi on the head and smile while making a lecture, she confronted her and lost her composure a bit.

And she is more "getting tired of your shit" in the commentaries. Less full smiles, more "let's take this outside" when pissed.
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>>152399171

What? No, by self-inflicted, I didn't mean the situation with her parents, but the thing she admitted herself, the want to be comfortable in misery and thereby being as acid as possible to stave off potential happiness. It's classic abused person MO, you either pull inward or lash out outward. Hanekawa and Sakura from FSN is the former, people like Sodachi are the latter.

Oshino was saying that Hanekawa made her parents feel bad for being asshole so her pain was deserved, I say no such thing about Sodachi other than that she does perpetuate her problems but she is not at fault. She needs therapy.
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>>152400227
Then you shouldn't use the word 'ultimately'. Sodachi's problem ultimately are caused by her the emotional and physical abuse from her parents, and without that she'd be much closer to her mirrored version. And what you're saying is something along the lines "people with depression should just see the life in a positive way", she wasn't unhappy because she wanted to be, it was because no matter what she did in the past things only got worse so she had doubts.

After all Sodachi tried multiple times to become happy, she tried fixing her family, she tried having a little hero save her from her misery, she tried to protect her mother after the divorce and she thought she'd be popular if she solved a big mystery like the trial. The only time she gave up was during the two years after the trial, in which she still went to school for one day in hope something would change. Hanekawa saying that was for her more a "don't give up" than "you've been doing wrong all your life".
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who would you anons say is the most overrated character?
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>>152401504
Crab
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>>152396077
Learn italian
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>>152401504
crab
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>go to Amazon to buy Bakemonogatari LN
>read this
>TL is Treehouse-tier

I'm gonna rage cage.
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>>152401504
Kaiki
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>>152401504
hanekawa is shit
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>>152401504
Cat
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>>152401504
redditgahara
kaiki
cat

in that order
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>>152401624
>>152401777
>>152402803
>>152402870
>>152403036
Batfags spotted
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>>152401504
Cat and Crab. Cat still ranks relatively high on my list(maybe above half), but it took forever for me to remotely like Crab. She kind of sucks.
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>>152403146
Bat can't be overrated because her praise is justified.
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>>152403146
>>152403146
Kissshotacerloaorionheartunderblade is the most correctly-rated character
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>>152404552
goddamn i love her name
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>>152404552
That's not Gaen rated rock bottom
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>>152404622
I thought that the anime just handled her bits badly or something but even in the LN her exposition dumps are obnoxious. Meme was shit in Bake but she manages to be 10x worse.

She easily could be a way more fun character than she is too.
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