Why is the ending of Evangelion considered controversial?
The show's ending is very odd and an unexpected way to conclude the astronomical suspense that episode 24 ends on
End of Eva is still very philosophical and odd for an ending but can strike a nerve with people who like to look smart by saying the OG ending is the only real one.
because either at the time of watching or in general people can't grasp basic metaphors and symbolism so they get confused by everything that isn't shonen-tier "in-your-face" obvious, it's why you don't really need much for an anime to be considered deep and thoughtfull as opposed to cinema and to a much bigger extent litterature.
seriously, if you had basic text interpretation as part of your middle/highschool's "curriculum" then you should be able to grasp evangelion and EoE without much trouble, and most "deep" anime as well. and i'll also outright state that some of the stuff in eva towards the end and in EoE are purely visual/stylish and don't actually hold any deeper meaning.
you're just projecting your disdain of things you don't understand
Evangelion's endings are not for everyone but don't pass your opinion as fact. Just say you didn't like it without generalizing.
The end of the series just felt lazy though. It could have conveyed the same message in a natural, organic and meaningful way like it was doing for the past 24 episodes, but instead chose to end all in anti climatic way, full of overblown symbolism and meta commentary. It felt out of place in NGE and for good reason, the only reason Gainax did It was lack of budget.
>Anno already said the symbolism is just there to look cool, it doesn't mean anything.
That's just the religious symbolism, stop taking things out of context.
1 is not worth watching because it's pretty much the exact same as the first 6 or so episodes of the show but uglier
2 is just more ugly rehash and has some dumb changes
3 is still below the show but does actually introduce some fairly interesting world development IMO. I can't really recommend though, on the basis that you'd have to watch 2 to really understand what's going on.
Have you seen the show and EoE? If not, you need to watch those first.
Asuka IS BEST! EVERYONE KNOWS
Not even a contender! Get Real!
>a picture of them is exactly like what a picture of them would be like
High intellect Asuka poster! Should be obvious, given my taste, but no matter!
because the opening scene is a 14 year old boy jacking off on a comatose 14 year old girl
>most beautiful girl in anime/the world
hard to blame him
well would you look at that, Asuka posters killed a thread
reminder that you people have been wrong for over 20 years
>previous Asuka post
>first post after that, that's only commenting on the thread being dead
The ending was a bait and switch.
Most of the series was literally giant robots punching giant monsters in the face, then the last 2 episodes are 3deep5you shit animation stuff because the studio ran out of money.
It attracted a certain fanbase and then gave them and ending they would not like.
Reminder if you disliked the ending, you missed the point. It's fine, but Evangelion obviously isn't for you in that case. Try Gurren.
>tfw I'm the only Asukafag that doesn't act like a total retard
>Run out of budget with two episodes left
>Make a 40 minute boring as fuck abstract psychological ending with incredibly low animation quality and no actual answers except in the vaguest sense
>This of course gets praise from people that think abstract art is good and that some absolute shitter like Pollock is better than someone who actually made interesting stuff like Dali
>Later release EoE to give actual closure after a budget is secured
Because the last two episodes were literally made with pennies and were terrible as a result. All those death threats Anno received got him to make End of Evangelion to make them happy and give them a "better" ending.
I finished the original TV series (though with the redone 21, 22, 23, and 24) as well as EoE for the first time a few days ago
I really didn't think the original ending was that out there. The jump from normal reality to instrumentality is a bit sudden but not jarringly so, and the actual CONGRATULATIONS scene flowed completely naturally from an the stuff before it, though I think the transtion from "Shinji being a fucking loser and not getting it" to "Oh wait I fixed my depression lol" is also a little sudden.
The show had a bunch of psychological interrogation scenes across it's enritity so I don't know why people would have thought it being the case for the ending would be that unexpected.
As far as EoE, it obviously provided a lot more context as for how the instrumentality was exeucted which I enjoy and there's a lot of cool imagry and all that but I feel like the actual post instrumentality internal look at shinji's head is handled worse and is harder to follow, though that could just be because I didn't realize most of that dialog was supposed to be currently happening inside the instrumentality rather then flashbacks to events that we hadn't seen before.
>The show's ending is very odd and an unexpected way to conclude the astronomical suspense that episode 24 ends on
Most of the literature I was reading as a kid when I started with anime had similar endings, so I wasn't really suprised.
its evangelion rebuild
1.0: the same as the old anime, the first fight is a 1:1 recreation, the others manage to be worse, which is quite notable because it looks like they put a lot of effort on ramiel, and somehow ended up worse
2.0: introduces a mari sue with no purpose, again the fights end up being worse than the originals
3.0: everyone is a dick to shinji for no reason. shinji is a fucking dumbass. subtle message that homosexuality is wrong despite all the faggotry of shinji and kaworu
>subtle message that homosexuality is wrong
Where did you get that from?
If anything, Eva shoves pro-homo down your throat.
>Where did you get that from?
the spears, they needed two different spears to save the world, but both were the same, just like the pilots on the eva 13 were the same gender, cannot repopulate with that
They weren't trying to repopulate, they were trying to redo time.
And the Cassius spear is originally Kaworu's, Longinus belongs to Lilith and the lilin.
There were two Longinus, because of lilin foul play.
The preview showed Asuka dual piloting with Mari.
>I just said that they need to repopulate the earth so spears/people need to be different genders
Try to be consistent. Shinji and the girl he luuvs will pilot together, syncing better than anyone ever could like in the original.
Cassius can only be wielded by an angel though, so Kaworu is the only one who can use it.
That's why Gendo needed Shinji to pilot with him.
>NERV staff put under arrest in 3.0
Because that preview covers the events between 2.0 and 3.0, the 14 year timeskip.
Did they ever mention a third spear in Eva lore?
I only recall Cassius and Longinus.
that means shinji should have been a girl
According to ANIMA, he's the Eve to Kaworu's Adam. So expect more Shinji titties like this: >>152348444
And shinji loves Rei, likes Kaworu and will settle for auska, what's your point?
if someone had explained the rules of fuck marry kill to shinji he wouldn't have fucked Rei and killed both Kaworu and auska
All based on his actions and words in the Anime.
He already has the vagina core.
Reminder that Shinji is canonicaly heterosexual.
>Speaking about the blushing, is it because Shinji was happy that someone said they like him?
>Anno: Yes, Shinji-kun really didn't experience carnal desire there *laugh*.
Confirmed by Anno himself.
Anno is the voice in Shinji's head interrogating him about murdering Kaworu.
He wants you to stop being a bloody otaku. He is shaking you, choking you, slapping you. And all you can do is cry that you don't like the ending. Because it hurts thinking about your life decisions. You would love to be part of instrumentality, you want to live with your waifu Rei/Asuka in a imaginary world instead of facing the real thing.
You hate Asuka and you hate Shinji but only because it's like watching yourself in a mirror.
Reminder that Shinji is canonically bisexual.
>Interviewer: You said previously that that sort of JUNE-like, or should I say the sort of production that goes beyond friendship, came out that way naturally, didn’t you?
>You said previously that that sort of JUNE-like, or should I say the sort of production that goes beyond friendship
>production that goes beyond friendship
>Interviewer: Who worked on episode 24?
>Anno: A person named Satsukawa (Akio)-san did that. Satsukawa-san is better at—this is bad to say, but—he’s right on the mark when it comes to homoeroticism. *laugh*
>he’s right on the mark when it comes to homoeroticism. *laugh*
Confirmed by Anno himself.
These are terrible lists.
Asuka should be in the boy ranking and Shinji should be in the girl one.
Also Rei should be number one.
Shinji's ranking of the girls:
Last. Asuka mcbitchface
Shinji's ranking of the boys:
Last. Gendo mcdickface
>Makoto that low
>Gendo that high
>Shinji and I have the same waifu
>shinji and I have the same husbando
This, Asuka is worst girl because she doesn't even look like a girl
>not realizing she saved her daughter from making a fucking catastrophic decision that would have fucked over Ritsuko and the rest of the planet.
Ritsuko's mom learned it was a mistake to kill Rei cause you were jealous of Gendo.
>He wants you to stop being a bloody otaku.
And what does he do? make an anime millions of faggots obsessed over. Oh, but its ok because he included some meta shit that flew above everybody heads except some few chosen ones, who are still shitposting on a weeb board of a weeb site
This, it's the same self-destruct Casper refused to activate for Iruel and that Misato was talking about with Hyuga in 24. Ritsuko had also been in a detention cell until like an hour beforehand.
She was a colleague of Fuyutsuki's with a doctorate and a 25 year old daughter, she probably was rounding on 50.
Justification for the power cable and Evas in general by showing how limited the alternative technologies were. And worldbuilding out the ass through the private sector's view on Nerv.
>not having the entire series already on your computer in BD quality
Old cellphone batteries were radioactive too.
Also Jet Alone would be useless but no dangerous if it wasn't for NERV super hackers. Well, except maybe if he faced Bardiel. Or Ireul.
Kaworu doesn't suck cocks, he's straight.
Shinji on the other hand is a huge homosexual faggot.
>Kaworu doesn't suck cocks
no, because he tops
Anno said they are more than friends and have a homoerotic relationship.
That quote only says that Shinji wasn't think about sex during that scene, because he wants to keep Kaworu pure for marriage.
Not that it matters because Kaworu canonically gave Shinji sexual pleasure in EoE during spear sex scene.
Kaworu isn't gay, only Shinji is.
Look at this faggot willingly slurping up Kaworu's godcock.
And Shinji is canonically sexually and romantically attracted to Kaworu. Anno said so.
Not at all. He only confirmed their relationship is intentionally gay as fuck.
On a scale to 1 to 10, how mad are you that Shinji will never, EVER, love you're waifu?
Glad I could change your mind.
not at all, Shinji could never handle her anyways
EVA is the greatest anime ever produced.
It will have threads for as long as there is an anime board because there will always be idiots who don't understand the simplest of stories.
We need to make an app that can understand EoE instead of the viewer. That's the only way for millenials to get it. Maybe make it so it claps in the end.
Just accept Shinji isn't bisexual
I know he acts like a complete faggot so it can be hard to tell sometimes, but he's canonically bisexual.
Can't be. Shinji never lusted after your husbando
Mixed signals here. Since he can't drink I guess he prefers Ritsuko.
Shinji confirmed bisexual from cleverbot
Kaworu is Shinji's husbando, not mine.
And he's in love with him and let his core be penetrated by him.
Take your pick:
>It's hard to get on your first watch if you aren't paying close attention.
>The beach scene is left open to interpretation and some people can't handle that.
>It's literally 2deep for some people, because half the population has <100 IQ.
fisrt mlp and now death note, cleverbot has shit taste
Now, I don't want to pretend like I know anything about studio budgeting, lest some faggot get on my case. But from what I understand, by the time they were animating the last episode, they had run low on funds, and had to cut corners. The last episode was comparatively more abstract piece to compensate for the team's residual funds with minimal animation.
It was confusing and not very dynamic or satisfying, even to people who understood it. A lot of people weren't happy with "Congratulations" or how little was actually explained by the TV ending.
>they had run low on time, and had to cut corners. The last episode was comparatively more abstract piece to compensate for the team's lack of time with minimal animation.
Fixed this part for you, the rest of your post is correct.
That cover is closer in sound to the original japanese, just in english, as opposed to something like this, which I prefer:
But if you want to hear crap for real, here you go:
When a chat bot can realistically talk to me about what it thought of Evangelion, then i'll know the singularity is closer than I want.
Fucking hell, my ears hurt
This thread needs some good music
Fly me to the moon just isn't a very good song, but the London version is okay. Jungle Version is also...okay.
Don't worry, I have rare Evangelion music:
If I was in the car or walking around I wouldnt just put 'fly me to the moon' so its not a good song for that. But in the context of the show, it was the perfect song for me and is amazing. How many shows have tried to copy that feeling you get when some crazy shit goes down but then you end on 'fly me to the moon.' A lot, but the off the top of my head the one that comes to mind is parasyte.
The parasyte ED is probably an objectively more enjoyable song to listen to, but it just didn't fit with the show because its not as simple as putting a calm song after a violent scene. My point is, the song is god tier because of the anime for me. There arent a ton of songs that can bring me to a specific mood or feeling of goosebumps like Cruel Angels Thesis and Fly Me to the Moon do. 10 years from now if I randomly hear that rendition of fly me to the moon, ill still get a flood of emotions and nostalgia that feels like a drug or something.
That was a cool edit though
I almost always skip the OP, but listen to the whole of fly me to the moon every time.
Every person has an anima or the image of an ideal mate. Anno just cashed in on what was already there and turned it into a fetish.
>Thread was good
>Thread is shit now
Can't you just swing from trees like in the good old days?
Love is a good fetish, but in a more direct way, bondage is a better fetish.
>complaining about homos
What did he mean by this?
I think he means that he is homo, and now that he has come into the thread it is shit.
it is not gay if they wear skirts
So you admit that she's a fuckdoll, don't you?
>happening currentlying inside the instrumentality
it wasn't happening linearly though. as in time wasn'tr eally a thing,
saved the world from angel's destroying it*
Why does Asuka draw Shinji like Charlie Brown?
same reason she writes half of her board in english and the other half in japan
And Asuka is Lucy
And Kaworu is Schroeder
Not sure who the others would be
Mana is the third girl that competes for Shinji.
Kaworu should be Schroeder, what is this bullshit
Are you guys jealous of my mugs?
I ordered one that has a picture of Misato drinking indifferently like in pic related, but without a glaring Shinji on her mug, and one mug with a glaring Shinji on it while the mug shinji holds has a glaring shinji on it. I can't wait to show it off to all my guests!
I have no guests, I have no friends, no family, no one will see my mugs.
here's what they look like. And my newest issue of shinji ikari raising project is on the way too
>20 years later
>Nobody, not even Shaft or Kyoani has mastered the visual poetry of the original Eva series
i ordered them from redbubble, I don't have pictures, but someone here will.
I wish there was asuka mug glaring pictures. Asuka has the fiercest glare.
I guess I could get asuka glaring at people without having her hold a coffee cup...but I spent enough on glaring cups. maybe when I break these I'll get some asuka cups, but I should be breaking cups less now that I don't drink alcohol.
>Shinji is proven to be one of the strongest characters in anime through intense character development and his final decision made out of free will
>All doujins portray him as as a submissive bitch boy
>Shit ton of homo and tranny arts
I hate this fanbase
>Rei is proven to be one of the strongest characters in anime through intense character development and her final decision made out of free will
>All doujins portray her as as a submissive fucktoy
>Shit ton of rape and abuse art
I hate this fanbase
There's a doujin which sort of reflects on this, with Shinji and Rei showing contempt against their abusers
Am I the only one who enjoyed both the ending of NGE and EoE, but for different reasons?
Which one is the regular?
I felt the NGE end left a with a bright, optimistic note while EoE was an intentionally ambiguous ending, leaving the watcher wondering what will happen to Shinji and Asuka...
The only controversial about the ending(s) was that it got me curious about the lore around the series, but when I tried to dig deeper into the canon all the answers seemed to return to a ''dude First Ancestral Race lmao'' -singularity and some deep, crypto-jewish hermeticism.
I hate the normal one because it just ignores the rest of the plot which, despite what people will tell you, is important. It's almost impossible not to care about the details that Eva never reveals because it builds them up so well. You really want to know more but unfortunatly the only way of finding out is through fuck loads of online research.
EoE at least has the decency to show whats going on even if you can't understand most of it just by watching the show.
Not quite. The TV ending was first clearly incomplete and also felt vain to the point of being cynical of itself. It's impossible to think you are supposed to take what happened at face value. It's not bad because in a way it did the same as the EoE ending, just implicitly.
>Shinji please, jump on the fucking robot and save us!
>Yeah, woh, eat that motherfucker's S2 engine awesome dude!
>Oh wait, it fucked up the world
14 years later
>Get in the fucking choker Shinji
>I'm in cahoots with Gendo and know what the EVA is in real
>Oh wait me playing gods. The risk was calculated, but damn I'm bad at maths
14 years later
>Get in the fucking choker Shinji
Asuka is just pissed because if she had been eaten instead of Rei, no one would had moved a finger. Damn they would probably celebrate and sing ding dong the witch is dead.