Why is Hanekawa so much better in Kizu than the other Monogatari stories?
She's not trying to kill him in Kizu, so that's a plus.
Mo because Araragi is an ultra white knight and he will never reject a girl he already likes when he was single and will never switch from a girl he has already committed to to another. It's unfortunate because I think the best way to resolve the whole crab vs cat thing is for Araragi to think and resolve without all the commitments which girl he actually likes more.
because she is a nice hot girl that hung out with him when he was running around acting like a delinquent on spring break. He didn't know that she was hiding from her family as well and that is why they met in the cram school.
Removing the supernatural makes this series depressing.
I'm pretty sure that Hitagi is just the one girl Araragi actually loved because of her personality. If you read the novels it's clear that he loves the way she acts, and isn't just with her because he saved her or she was grateful.
Hanekawa would've been NTR'd and dumped.
She's the best girl, but doesn't get enough love. Why can't Yui Horie win?
Wasnt there something citable about how he felt she was too good for him and that he wasnt able to match her specs and that being the reason he never tried to seek anything romantic with her?
I think most people would agree that her presence in Kizu seems perfect. Definitely pushed her above Crab for me .
>Wasnt there something citable about how he felt she was too good for him and that he wasnt able to match her specs and that being the reason he never tried to seek anything romantic with her?
Yes, that's part of it. Neko black goes further into his feelings. He loved her and says it himself that those feelings will never change, but thats it. He'll never allow himself to say that he loves her aloud and prefers to keep it that way.
The simple answer is that Bake was written first.
Araragi would date any girl that confessed to him. I would not make this statement if Bakemonogatari was the only season in the series, because at that time it actually seemed Araragi and Hitagi had a deeper bound and that he truly loved her above anyone else, but as the seasons went on it became increasingly clear the only reason Araragi was dating her was so the author could make a harem where the MC would have a excuse to not fuck everybody. I say this because Hitagi was literally forgotten as the series went on while Araragi became more and more pervert and intimate with other girls over time. Seeing how their relationship becomes less relevant as the series goes on we have two possibly options, either accepting what I said above about Isin wanting an excuse or that the only reason Hitagi won was because she actually had the balls to force herself on him while the other girls didn't.
> Neko black goes further into his feelings.
Yep, Neko Black shows that the person he had feelings for was her mask, not real Hanekawa. In Neko Kuro he learned that she was always putting up the front. She would keep doing it until Neko Shiro. That's why he told Meme that he didn't love her.
>but doesn't get enough love.
>2 big arcs and 1 series
>A movie where she and Shinobu are the only girls
>Has important role or presence in almost all arcs of Monogatari
>doesn't get enough love
No one gets as much pandering as Hanekawa fans.
>I say this because Hitagi was literally forgotten as the series went on
I agree with this. These days she's only mentioned when their relationship is mentioned, basically to remind us that they're still together.
>That's why he told Meme that he didn't love her.
That was a lie. In the novels, when Oshino asks him if he loves class rep, Koyomi is all like "oh this is the scene where I have to act cool" as the reader you could tell that he was trying so hard to act detached and thats why when he tells Oshino "no", Oshino just laughs in response because he knows its a lie and Koyomi also knows this, he says something like "oh he saw right through me"
It's funny because even though Hitagi ''won'' the anime panders so hard to Hanekawa that I often think of her as the main girl and Araragi's true love.
I think so too. I wonder why he didn't paired her with Araragi from the beginning. Maybe it's because he knew that the two not being together had more potential in terms of sexual tension and narrative than the contrary.
She's the same.
>Rewatch Bake ep.15. Araragi said that Hitagi is the first woman he ever loved
The was an obvious lie because he fell in love with Hanekawa first. The difference is that he admitted his love for Crab while he didn't and never will with Cat.
He ends up with Crab anyways so I don't get why you're so annoyed that he loved Cat first. In the end every girl is fucked because Bat gets him.
"Not asking for help doesn’t mean that you don’t want to be saved, right? Similarly, not saying you love someone doesn’t mean that you don’t love her”
Oshino Meme said.
As if he saw through, as usual.
“Everybody has words they can’t say rashly, Araragi-kun”
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I'm going to be the dissenting voice and say I didn't like her as much in Kizu. I know too much about her character to take anything that happened during that period at face value, and I also think they exaggerated her proportions too much.
Also why does Hanekawa have such based pantsu taste? She had no friends and no romantic opportunities before meeting RRRG, and
she was broke and living in a hallway, and yet she was splurging on fancy lace panties every day.
I don't particularly like Hanekawa, but God, do I like fapping to her. I have to commend Araragi for being able to control his sexual urges with her, because she was literally made for breeding.
I want to milk this cat.
like the other anon said nice panties aren't expensive unless the woman is buying luxury brands which cat definitely isnt. its the bras that women have to spend a lot for especially big-breasted women.
This. She outright says she's only tagging along because it's interesting. Araragi sees a perfect girl with huge tits always wearing fuck me panties. It's not the 'real' Hanekawa. She's only there because he's something out of a fantasy.
With Crab and then later on with Bat. I have no problem admitting that unlike Crabfags do with his feelings towards Cat.
It seems that you guys are just as panicky and insecure as your waifu.
Why would he think her about her? He already decided that him and Cat will never be a thing back in Black which took place before meeting Crab.
Him and Cat both know they will never get together, but that doesn't change what they once felt though.
>"family" is indifferent to you
>most people find your know it all attitude too much, and how perfect you are
>meet a loner who turns out to be a vampire, fighting to help a vampire, against other pseudo vampire/humans
It was basically her fantasy, even down to Araragi being mean to her to make her go away to protect her in an otherwise mundane typical study every day, eat, sleep, vacation.
Has anyone seen any in theater raws of this yet? Has there been any announcement to NA theaters?
> Why would he think her about her?
Because he loved her? Wouldn't you think about girl you love right after other girl's confession?
> Him and Cat both know they will never get together
Tsubasa Family and Tsubasa Tiger. Two arcs about desperate lovesick Cat. She even tried to kill Crab.
So with the teasers hinting at a confrontation with Suicide-Master some people have been saying that there's a potential for Shinobu to kill her and revert to being human. I don't think that's the case. If Araragi started to turn into a vampire in his own right after a couple of months of overusing Shinobu's powers, then I'd say that Shinobu has definitely completed that transformation after however many centuries she's been a super famous vampire.
so what's the difference between her being a cat in bake and neko black? I watched them really far apart but they're basically the same as far as I can remember except neko black happened before araragi met crab etc
Nisin is a hack anon, he made Araragi Crab's boyfriend but then decided to focus more on his relationship with Hanekawa, the end result is many fans being skeptical about the ''love'' between Hitagi and Araragi and thinking that he should be with Hanekawa or Shinobu instead.
Not to mention how Araragi fools around with every other girl as well.
From my understanding, in the first one Oshino ends up naming a new oddity "Black Hanekawa," saying that rather than the white cat taking over her mind and body, Hanekawa allowed it into her, but was using it to do the things she wanted.
So white was sort of the oddity attaching to and taking over hanekawa, and black is after it was vanquished once, it's this lingering thing hanekawa keeps around to relieve stress... something like that?
He loves Hitagi and he said it clear many times.
His relationship with Shinobu is complicated and what does it mean for him to be with Shinobu? He is with her from the beginning. He has two the most important girls in his life and he loves them both.
Also this. He acts like a horny dog and is very disrespectful towards Hitagi considering how he treats all the other girls. The more I watch Monogatari, the more I think that Araragi just likes any girl that gives attention to him and would date whoever was the first to ask.
>He loves Hitagi and he said it clear many times.
yet he steals his sisters first kiss, kisses bat, has no problem with yotsugi and snail kissing him, baths with his sisters, super lewd and touchy with both his sisters but especially bird, flirty and touchy with 98% of the cast in general
>Do you guys understand what fanserice is?
It comes off as too much sometimes. Of course, anyone would question whether he truly loves her when they see everything else going on.
>He loves Hitagi and he said it clear many times.
That's the thing anon, his words do not match his actions in the show. He may say that he loves Hitagi but the audience sure isn't buying anymore.
>He has two the most important girls in his life and he loves them both.
Except Shinobu has 1000 more screentime than Hitagi in recent works. Hitagi was literally forgotten and is only mentioned to remind the audience that Araragi has a girlfriend while Shinobu is always in the spotlight. Same goes for Hanekawa although in a lesser degree
> Except Shinobu has 1000 more screentime than Hitagi in recent works.
Because she is a vampire and monogatari is about supernatural. She has more screentime but she hasn't more development with Araragi. Romantic development.
So now that RRRG is 23 and planning to marry Crab, will Nisio not have him flirt and touch the three new monster girls/old girls? Some anon in an old thread said this might be a good chance for Nisio to stop those antics as a way of showing us that he has grown up.
>She has more screentime but she hasn't more development with Araragi. Romantic development.
You obviously don't read the novels. Bat has been very frank with her feelings towards him.
Why is the animation so fucking weird in the movies. It's off=putting as hell. Only Oshino looks like he does in the series
> Bat has been very frank with her feelings towards him.
I know. I read translated books. I really like Shinobu and her gentle love for Araragi.
>monogatari is about supernatural
This. The romance development with Crab was great though. They went a long path: strangers at first, then they started to go out just to see if it works, then after Bake 12 they really became a couple in love, then they got comfier and comfier with each other. And now we have these obstacles in their love life. It's just that romance was never a main thing in Monogatari, but the work Nisio did on these two was actually great.
>has bigger anime tiddies.
Her breasts are actually that large, he even stated they could rival Bats in her adult form. That's what her tiddies are always suppose to look like.
>The romance development with Crab was great though
Most of it happened off-screen though?
>the anime panders so hard to Hanekawa
Shinbo is a Catfag. He stated in an interview that one of the reasons he continues making Monogatari is to keep looking into her character.
Also he likes Cat x RRG along with the idea of Cat x Oshino.
How can it even "happen" on-screen? "I just started loving her anymore" or what? You can clearly see the difference in their interactions in Bake and Tsuki. They both've changed dramatically throughout the series.
>He may say that he loves Hitagi but the audience sure isn't buying anymore.
I buy it. He doesn't make serious advances against girls his age. The loli oddity shit is clearly a joke and his relationship with his sisters is inconsistent enough to nlt take it seriously.
Actually a Catfag, but if you want to consider him molesting ghost lolis as proof he doesn't love Hitagi, that's fine. There hasn't been legitimate sexual tension between he and Hanekawa since Bake and the other girls aren't worth bringing up. I do think Shinobu is end game, but not in a romantic sense.
>I do think Shinobu is end game, but not in a romantic sense.
Bat loves him, she's been frank about it. Now it's his turn and I feel that Nisio is leaving his feelings/confession for last.
>crabfags still dont want to admit that bat is endgame in every way including romantic
>crabfags, catfags and batfags at it again
Do you actually think that Araragi fucked his blood related sister? Are you fucking retarded?
>the excessive fan service doesn't feel right at all.
Now that the characters are older and more mature from what the summary tells us, maybe Nisio will cut down the fanservice. If RRRG is revealed to be engaged or married in the future novels then it wouldn't feel right reading about him groping/kissing other women.
>bat is endgame in every way including romantic
It should be sad for batfags though. He clearly chose Crab over Bat as his romantic interest. She is regularly watching them making out and fucking. Even if he ever ends up with bat, he will be second hand, both physically and emotionally.
>He clearly chose Crab over Bat as his romantic interest.
Crab is a mere human that will die from old age while Bat is supernatural being. He knows he has limited time with Crab.
>He clearly chose Crab over Bat as his romantic interest.
Everyone involved has been dodging that question. They're trying to pretend that they're both important relationships that don't overlap.
>We know how Bat feels
Yep, and it must be extremely painful for Batfags. He even asked her to assist him in moving overseas in order to be with Crab in Musubi. She even feels his excitement every time. It must hurt a lot, especially when she is an almighty vampire and Crab is a mere human.
>She isn't bad person like Cat.
Don't throw in a dickish dig when you're talking about being mature. Anyways, she's probably decided something along the lines that a romantic relationship with Araragi now would pretty much be pedophilia and that what he needs is a nice full life to mature him up enough to be worthy of being her lover and romance is a part of it.
Basically, the two of them are both happy being with Araragi and unhappy with the other's presence, but can't deny that they have too important of a place in his life to get rid of. So they both toss around some catty remarks but otherwise are civil and even help each other out.
Because she is ripe for the fucking!
And we will fap to her nonstop!
Some are more so than others and some get over their craziness. Snail was never really crazy, just caught in a bad situation. Monkey got over her issues and is stable. It took some effort, but Shinobu is now neither suicidal nor liable to kill anyone (woe be to anyone who kills Araragi, but it's still reasonable). Even Snake seems to have settled down. Math still has issues, but has calmed a bit.
I don't really care. We've had this discussion a billion times and others like it before but that's to be expected of a harem show. So by process of elimination, (you)'d be the worst part.
>this is a doujin cover
I've had the image for years and I didn't realize until today.
So, I finally got around to reading my copy of Bakemonogatari and I have a question. After Senjougahara recovers her weight, Araragi also gets extra weight because gods are an undiscerning bunch, but is this adressed ever again? Is Araragi doomed to weigh almost twice what he used to, even if that doesn't mean he's fatter?
This. If the guy who is repulsed by Hanekawa says that he loves her, you should probably believe it.
The thing is, he put her on an unreachable pedestal in his mind, something you can see when you see the commentaries between Hanekawa and Ougi and find out who Ougi really is. It's really quite twisted the feelings he has for her when you observe them objectively.
Man, all of Hanekawa's "I'm tired of your shit" faces are perfect for the eyepatch.
Maybe Meme was right when he called her a fuedal warlord in Kizu. Maybe the fact she was able to merge with a male spirit is no accident, and her spirit animal was a ten foot tall fire breathing kaiju Tiger. She was meant to be the new Boss.
Hanekawa post Tiger is best Hanekawa. Ougi is still the best but their interactions in Owari was some of the best in the series.
Cat isn't a bad person though. Plus, she almost crushed Monkey's skull for just telling the truth, and for all she talks about doing what's best for him, staying in their relationship as it is isn't healthy, particularly because he is supposed to be in a committed relationship.
It's a little foolish, but I'm waiting on official translations for now.
My impression is that she got more strict with him not only because of her care, but also due to understanding his desire to improve more as the series went on (rather than just opening up the somewhat of an introvert as started out in Kizu), yeah?
Hopefully that's not wrong, but it's why I'd have to agree with this sentiment.
feels good to be a snekfag
It feels good to be a Ougifag. There is no bowl to compete in so it's just love 100% of the time with none of the shitposting.
>implying I didn't pre-order it as soon as it was announced
I've owned the figure for months already. It's beautiful. Would recommend it to anyone who loves her as much as I do
Just me naming the Decent Black OP screencaps.
Ah, I see. Well, I didn't want to assume and usher a sad confession of the opposite scenario being true.
I was rather tempted by her myself, though, I'm sure you like her more than I ever could.
I don't really get into the "bowl" mentality by nature.
I hope they can make something Oikura e v e n t u a l l y. I know it's a long, long way off.
Has she ever described what her name means? I've seen a lot of swords with "Ougi" in them and supposedly it means "Ultimate move" in some scenarios. Does that have any bearing on her name?
Much obliged. That was an interesting read.
Pic related was an interesting find. I could see SHAFT putting these in the show some day.
>she almost crushed Monkey's skull for just telling the truth
Oh no, Shinobu said something mean when she got thrust into an extremely stressful situation without warning and Kanbaru was telling her she would have to destroy something important to her no matter what.
>staying in their relationship as it is isn't healthy
It's a billion times better than what she was going through without Araragi. She is in absolute bliss compared to that, even though Araragi should be doing better for her. On Araragi's part, he's getting an amazingly caring, considerate partner for the cost of dealing with supernatural bullshit. He seems to be perfectly happy with that deal.
>he is supposed to be in a committed relationship
Yes. The one issue: she's so good to Araragi that it makes Senjougahara look bad in comparison.
A Medusa figure is all I've ever wanted. If you wish hard enough anon, I'm sure your dream of a nice math will come true too!
I am happy to have an Ougi figure I really love, but I do really want a GSC figure if one ever comes out.
In Kizu, Araragi is single so Hanekawa is actively pursuing him. She's teasing him and flirting which is really cute. After Kizu Araragi gets with the disgusting crab so she cant try to fuck him any more. Also after Kizu she has some serious problems with her family which cause her high amounts of stress.
It's truly masterful. I love how they added to the quality of the scene it presents by tucking her dress between her legs and actually including the flying bills and bottle.
A figure of Ougi with that 'Darkness', if they are connected, would be quite the sight (even thought we're not supposed to see it really)
I'll keep hope for Math, but I'm really just glad that she's still relevant to the story beyond the anime.
Are real girls acting the same as Hanekawa near their love interest?
Spoiler for darkness
They aren't related at all. I think a decent Ougi figure would probably be in classroom 1-3
Her expressions, the way she sticks around Araragi, and the scene where Araragi changes are all pretty accurate. The stuff with her panties and the storage shed scene? Not so much.
I have and will continue to buy anything Ougi related so in the end I would be happy with anything decent.
I don't want to be the one who killed this thread.
All Kanbaru did was tell her she had to make a decision, which she did and didn't want to talk it out with Araragi, which was why that idiotic duel came to pass.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not calling her a bad person, but she is as prone to jealousy, moments of weakness, and making rash decisions in stressful situations as the other girls.
She ain't special in that regard. She implies as much when she talks with Nadeko in Medusa, that she was, and still is, very much coasting on Araragi's kindness. It's just that, of the girls, she has the most convenient abilities. Implying she would be alright with him becoming a vampire in Tsuki tells us that she does have selfish sides as well, because as a human that wants to stay human and have a normal life, being under the gun with basically being Shinobu's safety limiter is no good, especially if he plans to continue dealing with oddities.
Hopefully Nisio brings this back up in the next book, which supposedly is giving more Shinobu stuff, because like with his relationship with Hitagi, Nisio should show us the pitfalls as well as the characters strengths, not gloss over their flaws.
Strange thing is, she is purely being a friend now. She is just naturally cute. See Owari, she just casually whispers to him something, and he is about to spill spaghetti all over the place.
She is pretty absent-minded to her own sexiness really.
The idiotic duel came from a bunch of different factors and Araragi holds a significant amount of fault as well because he was doing a bunch of shit that made her feel unwanted.
> but she is as prone to jealousy... she ain't special in that regard
But she is special in that regard because she very obviously sits down and reexamines herself after she makes a mistake and figures out how to not do it again. Because of this the difference in her between the Bake and Ougi Dark is night and day. It also should give you a lot of confidence in her ability to get through any obstacles that she and Araragi face in the future because she has the maturity to do that.
>she was, and still is, very much coasting on Araragi's kindness
That's her guilt talking. She is doing an excellent job of repaying it and pulling her weight.
>Implying she would be alright with him becoming a vampire in Tsuki
Was her telling Araragi off for trying to sacrifice himself, again. Yes, she will turn him into a vampire as a last resort to keep him alive because she cares about him being alive more than his wish to stay a human. Criticizing her for this stance is ridiculous. Especially when you take into account that she is bending over backwards so much that she has looped around in order to comply with Araragi's wish to live as a human and help him out in general.
Having Shinobu around to help Araragi with her knowledge and be a last resort if things get really hairy sounds a lot better than dealing with kaii as a full human. The biggest issue is that she's attracting Deathtopia, but that's independent of Araragi dealing with other kaii.
Yes, she has flaws, but you're overstating them as well as glossing over her strengths.
In the LN version of Bake Shaft cut out a lot of Araragi's dialog with every other girl except, comparitively speaking, Gahara to be fair (not arguing that they did this intentionally, frankly there's no way they were going to fit everything from the LNs into the anime). Nadeko's really the only outlier in this regard even in the LNs.
>and thinking that he should be with Hanekawa
Not a Catfag but Nisio didn't even really give a halfway decent reason for why Araragi didn't end up with Hanekawa until after Bakemono.
>Nisio didn't even really give a halfway decent reason for why Araragi didn't end up with Hanekawa until after Bakemono
Probably because Bakemonogatari is the first book written in the series and why would you give reasons to something nobody even considers a possibility yet
Theoretically the whole thing would be planned out so that there would be no question, but Nisio was really flying by the seat of his pants at the beginning so whatever.
I haven't heard anything explicit, but it sounds like a possibility.
Yes, he did.
>Now, if I said what I am about to say, she might cry even more … but I’m someone who has started practicing languages. Putting the other things aside for now, I want her, who has spent a long time over there, to check my half-baked pronounciation.
>anyways, she's probably decided something along the lines that a romantic relationship with Araragi now would pretty much be pedophilia and that what he needs is a nice full life to mature him up enough to be worthy of being her lover and romance is a part of it.
You really pulled this out your ass and just tossed it here.
If you think that after reading Kabuki, Shinobu mail and Owari it's not in the romantic sense. Then anon, i think there is something wrong with you.
Crabfags don't seem to realize that Bat is still the winner. If a situation ever arises shoud Crab try to seperare Araragi and Shinobu, Araragi would sooner breakup with her then let Shinobu go. The true winner has always been Bat.
>Muh, he chooces Crab over Bat
Is there any particular reason why people are ignoring that he has Bat in tow right there whereas with Crab he was drifting away from her for a while (due to not telling her about shit) and having to reconnect after that happens? It's not a case of preferring one over the other, the entire series makes it clear that Araragi "loves" a good third of the cast even
>That's why we couldn't be alone together.
>I see now.
>So it was spring break.
>I've extensively been analogizing those two weeks to a spring break of hell, but ―― however, there weren't always just harsh things in that hell.
>As for the main factor for why that holiday was something I could only remember bitterly, full of regrets ―― even though it was that hellish.
>Yet ―― memories of having fun too.
>Were also firmly included in there, that was why.
>Misfortune will never reverse into fortune.
>However, aside along misfortune ―― fortune was there as well.
>Not as two sides of the same coin, but as different things.
>"What makes you think I would!? Why are you enticing me like a middle school girl in her 3rd year!?"
>Shinobu widened her eyes.
>Her golden eyes.
>"What. You were the one who was enticing me before."
>"That was the exemplar of a joke! If we did that kind of thing, that miss tsundere or one of them would take my life when they find out, you know!? You might have forgotten, but right now, I am basically just a little girl you know!?"
>"No but, you can win against Black Hanekawa, right?"
>"That is because the opponent is an abnormality."
>It was hard to grasp the power balance in those matters.
>So she was weaker than a human but stronger than an abnormality?
>That's like rock-paper-scissors.
>But I guess the same happens among fellow humans too.
>"I see. So we won't kiss."
>If we do, it will be in 100 years in the future, said Shinobu.
>How patience requiring.
>That's an amazing seduction from a girl.
>"I don't really get what your principle is either…… do you refuse because feelings are involved? In that case, that now wasn't in the erotic meaning, but in the Americanized meaning."
>"Not like I would know."
>Besides, there is no erotic meaning in kisses, Shinobu said, which was something unexpectedly pure hearted.
A figure of Ougi in her dress would be the best.
Do you have your waifu staring at you every single time you use your phone?
Her feelings are pretty clear, every confession Shinobu has made concerning her sitiation with Araragi was always really powerfull. she loves the man, that much is obvious. But, she cares more about his hapiness then she does about her own. When Araragi and Crab got together, Shinobu was not there. By the time they made up, Araragi was already in love with Crab.
Araragi was never able to turn back into a human even though he really wanted to. Shinobu feels really guilty about that, she does. That's why she allowes him to live his life the way he wants to, she allows him to live as humanly as possble. And Bat is fine with that for now, because her wish is to be together with Araragi. That's all she wants. So she let's him have his way.
But for some weird reason while Araragi is happy to have Shinobu with him, he keeps deluding himself that that feeling is not mutual. He believes that Shinobu is not happy when she is bound to him.
>"I see. So we won't kiss."
>If we do, it will be in 100 years in the future, said Shinobu.
>So, what purpose is there in becoming a middle school girl? You may not know, but from the public eye, dealing with middle school girls is plenty, more than plenty within the scope of lolicon acts."
>"No, that wasn't what I meant."
>Well, when thinking how a 3rd year high schooler dating a 1st year middle schooler would likely suffer the misery of being abhorred, what Shinobu said was correct, but no, you're wrong, that wasn't my intention at all to begin with.
>It's not that I want to have fun making you change into all kinds of ages.
>"Do you remember, about those middle school girls from yesterday?"
>"Ah, those girls. I see, I got it, what you were plotting."
>"Ooh. You're pretty sharp, Shinobu."
>While thinking that she definitely didn't get it, I tried to press her for an explanation.
>Both I and Shinobu had too much enthusiasm.
>"In short, after you talked with those middle school girls, you have awakened to the attractiveness of middle school girls."
>"I've been telling you you're wrong!"
>"So when we return to the present, you are going to visit forelock missy's house first…… no, you do not have to do that, as I recall you have 2 kits of middle school sister characters at home."
>"Don't count my sisters as kits."
>More like, Sengoku aside, it would be bad to start seeing sister characters as objects of attractiveness.
>"Sengoku aside, is it?"
>"Hm? Ah, well, I mean, she's in her 2nd year of middle school. Besides, she also looks unusually adult-like recently."
>"……So that one's actions were surprisingly in the process of bearing fruit……"
If anyone doesn't know, Shinobu really pays attention to any girl that's around RRRG. She was not there when it happend with Crab though.
>"No, nevermind. I do not want to mention it. So, if that is the case, what purpose was there in making me become a middle schooler? The purpose in having me recall that group of middle school girls is?"
>Like I said, if I was dragging you, a little girl, around, people would use that as a reason to talk to us more easily. But I still want you to stake out with me by all means. And so the smart Koyomi-kun came up with this. If I made you grow up to about a middle schooler's age, your figure would become more pretty instead of cute, you'd give off an air of magnanimity that is somehow hard to approach, and you'd have the feeling of a bewitching beauty that anyone would be enchanted by, possessing an air that makes you too awe-inspiring to speak to."
>I only said what was obvious, yet middle schooler Shinobu's face reddened?
>What's wrong, does she feel sick?
>Is it that restoring her vampiric nature naturally makes the sun her enemy?
>I thought that there wouldn't be a problem with a growth of 5 years or so, but……
>"Are you alright?"
When pressed in Shinobu Mail she denies being romantically in love with Araragi. There's some sort of denial/mental acrobatics going on, if only to make herself feel better. God knows she does that with her dignified vampire act.
>"Hm? Hmm? Ah, aah, I am fine. N-now, you may continue. Keep on praising me more and more and mooore."
>"? No, I wasn't particularly praising you though…… err, that's why staying together with you as a little girl would make it easier for people to talk to us, while staying together with you as a middle schooler should make them keep their distance instead, and although the fact that we remained suspicious might be the same, I thought that it should at least make it harder to talk to us."
>"It would be harder to talk to us? Why, why?"
>"Well, because you're too pretty……"
>"S-specifically, which parts are pretty?"
>"? Well rather than specific parts, it's everything. Well, be it your fluffy blonde hair, be it your smooth skin, the shape of your eyes or your lips, and of course your figure which has been fully developed yet keeps some immaturity somewhere, even the balance in the length of your arms and legs could be said to be perfect. If Leonardo da Vinci was alive, there's no mistake that he would have painted you instead of Mona Lisa."
>I got kicked.
>I got kicked with the power of a vampire.
>I had also become a vampire, so it balanced out and didn't hurt that much ―― or that should have happened, but I took enough damage to drop face up.
>Just how seriously did she kick me?
>What is it, did she get mad?
>"Huh? Did I say something wrong?"
>"You did not, you did not. You did not say aaanything. Well well well well, if you are going to say that, I am not unwilling to cooperate either. I shall forcefully reinforce you."
>one where the MC actually goes to absurd lengths to maintain ties with almost everyone in said harem
>everyone argues about who his "one true love" is instead
Really makes the little grey cells itch
>It's not that I want to have fun making you change into all kinds of ages.
>There's some sort of denial/mental acrobatics going on
She is always twisting around it. But the way she discribes Araragi and what she feels with him are nothing but love.
>I don't love him
>But I want to stay with him more, learn more about him end open myself up more to him.
Kizu opened my eyes, I was wrong all these years
Bat just barely > Cat >>>>>>>>>> Crab > Monkey > Bee > Phoenix > Darkness > Snake > Snail > Math
>according to Suruga Devil, Koyomi's the only one who bothers to keep in contact with her, even though Gahara totally misses her according to him
>still not 100% clear but it sounds like in Musubi that Sodachi after all the bullshit gets along with Koyomi & Gahara again, except Koyomi again is the only one who bothers to keep in contact with her
I get the feeling that Nisio doesn't want people to like Gahara sometimes, I dunno why he does that.
How could he marry an international criminal? And Araragi is aging, at best he will have a slightly longer life.
If Senjougahara dies for no reason he'd probably marry a coworker or someone unrelated to the story.
He's going to end up with Oikura at the end of all this. I don't think she'll even fully get over her hatred of him either, on the contrary Nisio will pair them up for that reason and have a laugh about it.
Kiss-shot is a full vampire though, can't she simply age until whatever age she wants because she can freely change herself?
He didn't see her as a girl allegedly though, but they do share a lot in terms of personality for it to barely work out fine.
Just her father hitting her, otherwise it's the same.
It's why she's out all hours of the night and catches Araragi fighting Dramaturgy, and their previous conversation where she ends running off crying.
She doesn't seem to like to shapeshift away from her natural form though. She's most likely to just go with the form she naturally settled in. Also, claiming that you know about how much immortality Araragi has is fucking stupid and I don't know if you're trying to bait or actually retarded.
Rouka doesn't have a named arc, and it lists Bee, Bird and Math.
Though the worst part is obviously Snail so low. Math is great but she is divisive, but snail is just wrong that low.
Makes no sense whatsoever to have Cat at the top and Math at the bottom at the same time, they're similar in a lot of ways.
>saving everyone's ass in Owari
>keeping Kaiki and Koyomi seperated from each other during Hitagi End
>general banter here and there, particularly in Shinobu Time and a chapter of Hitagi Rendevous
>Yotsugi Doll being a thing at all
Feels weird calling her a side character at this point, honestly. I agree with what was being said about her being more major than other characters considered "main" ones.
Whoops, now that I look up the quote it was Araragi who called her a side character after all. Forgive me.
>“Oh, it’s nothing. It’s simply been so long since I’ve had proper screen time that I’ve forgotten what kind of character I was.”
>Don’t talk like you’re Ononoki-chan.
>Of course, she’s a rare kind of side character, one who loses her characterization whether she has screen time or not…
>I wonder which one has it better: a side character with plenty of screen time, or a main character with hardly any screen time?
Those are a lot of things that she does to advance the plot, but not a lot that involve who she is. Stuff like saving other characters is why I say she's a red shirt substitute. It's just an excuse to establish something as a threat with little/no consequences.
Her vary nature is keeping her as a side character since it's so important for her to remain an obedient tsukumogami and not let personal interests get in the way.
The big things that really characterize her are becoming friends with Shinobu, where nobody other than Araragi has succeeded, as well as planning to get Nadeko hired by Gaen. Those are interesting actions that reflect who she is as a person.
I stopped watching Monogatari after Nise, and I'm catching up now. Who's this character? I can't remember her in Nise or should I just keep watching? (well it's been like 4 years since Nise aired so I might be forgetting some important stuff).
>tfw you just found and watched all of the monogatari stuff this year
I enjoyed being able to sit down and watch seasons at a time in bursts, but I'm sure participating in live discussions had their merit. If I had started a little later I could have seen all 3 Kizu's for the first time in a row, but I'll just watch them again when the third one comes out with decent subs.
Not so much spoilers, but rather a confirmation of whether I forgot something important from Nise
Holy shit, it was 5 years ago. And now I realize that I've had Nekomonogatari sitting on my hard drive for 4 years without ever watching it (finally watched it a couple of days ago).
Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. I figured that even if I had forgotten the finer details of Nise from when it originally aired, that I wouldn't forget characters when I saw them.
Hanekawa comes always first. Otherwise acceptable list.
Also, crab is the lowest shit
Crab is less boring, but riding the breakup carousel isn't doing my opinion of her much good.
>buh-but sticking to it shows how strong their relationship is
I cannot properly express my disdain for this argument.
The movies suck. Cool action, Oshino's animation in particular is really expressive, but the rest is like the worst aspects of the series amplified. The lack of chapters and internal dialogue is jarring as fuck. I hope they never use this style ever again
>replying to obvious bait
She only has a bit role in it so it's hard to say, they work in the same town though so I imagine that they're probably still in contact somewhat, considering Koyomi kept in touch with her when he was out of town.
They have similiar issue with the depersonalization, but Hanekawa is unique in being someone who will always be followed by the supernatural, the girl is a literal freak, and I say that liking her. No one who volunteers for mine disposal is of normal steel.
I'd say she has brass balls if she were a guy. Sodachi is weird, but Tsubasa is almost otherworldly while not being an oddity. Well okay, she is kind of half oddity now, but you get what I mean.
>gay creepy stalker
stay jealous crabfags, your favorite std will never have a 10/10 body like monkie
>Tsubasa is almost otherworldly while not being an oddity
This is intentional. Her outlook on life is the most alien of all characters in the series. It's played up pretty hard in Kizu and it's part of why Araragi didn't feel like he could be in a relationship with her. I'm sure it's also Nisio's explanation for why she's so persecuted after all the humanitarian aid she's done.
I'll see what I can do, the application is rather limited in what can be done with it due to it being targeted at normals who want giant jiggling tits made of jello. They don't understand a nice firm budding chest is good too.
bait-chan's baiting for (you)'s, ignore them
Updated it. Odd resolution due to 4chan video size limits.
Thanks anons. She is my one and only, I've loved her since the beginning and have fallen more in love each time I see her.
I hope you enjoy the pure love of your waifus as well anons.
>He acts like a horny dog and is very disrespectful towards [...] considering how he treats all the other girls. The more I watch [...], the more I think that [...] just likes any girl that gives attention to him and would date whoever was the first to ask.
isn't that 100% of male population?
His refuses to act on his lust towards Hanekawa + his girlfriend possibly lusts over her even more than he does, Kanbaru fools around with him as opposed to it being the other way around, and he struggles to even view Sodachi in a girly manner. Ironically those are the only three girls Gahara has displayed concern over hanging out with Araragi.
>Gahara has displayed concern over hanging out with Araragi.
Because she doesn't know about his sisters and the way he acts with him. I also don't think she knows about the loli kisses and that he also kissed Karen.
I hope we don't read about Koyomi groping/kissing other girls in the upcoming novels especially if hes engaged/married. It wouldn't feel right.
Pretty sure she's atleast somewhat aware of how close his sisters are to him, she's in contact with his family. It's toned down in the anime but the LNs imply that she has a father complex herself which "makes it even" I suppose.
Why was the soundtrack in Kizu 2 so good?
Was it confirmed that Hitagi & Hanekawa are overseas together during Shinobumonogatari according to it's summary or was that just someone speedreading? In any case those two go on "dates" all the time and Araragi has no idea what they do together. Hitagi herself has a lewder fanservice scene with her than anything Araragi has in the one time we see those two together. If moral high ground's gonna be brought into things then it goes both ways, seriously.
Hell people were talking about how Araragi fucked up hiding that Sodachi was staying in his house during the uni years from her - except Hitagi does the exact same thing hiding that she went to Kaiki for help back in Koi, Araragi finds out from Yotsugi in the end whereas Hitagi intended to keep it secret. Their relationship is supposed to be sort of a mess (one that never completely falls apart, but a mess regardless), Nisio's intentionally writing it as such.
Shinobumonogatari was only just announced. However, multiple people have confirmed that both Hanekawa and Senjougahara were overseas for big chunks of Musubimonogatari, though they were in different places.
>Was it confirmed that Hitagi & Hanekawa are overseas together during Shinobumonogatari according to it's summary or was that just someone speedreading?
It was someone speedreading and conflating different parts of info together
I'd be fine with Crab & Cat getting together actually. Don't even dislike Crab being with rrragi either, just like a few other characters with him more.
They both very literally needed Koyomi backing them up to deal with their issues. Crab did not "deal with them herself", Koyomi's the only one who thinks this despite Crab, Monkey, and Meme all outright saying that it was because of his help.
How is it possible for one character to remain perfect after all this time?
Why did Snail skip herself when going through Araragi's punishments in Mayoi Hell? She pulled a "Hachi P says there's no time" but is there an actual reason here or is it just Nisio being obtuse for no reason again?
>tfw figure of kogarashi kaiki with his sleek red car never
I'm not sure there is a large market for it, but I'd order one.
Might be interpreting it wrong, but I'm not sure anyone else would've saved Hachikuji
>Meme says that, as an oddity, she's so harmless that no specialist would bother with her
>Only is led back to her house at Araragi's insistance
>Chance of Hanekawa running into her if left alone, though Hanekawa as she was in Bake might actually lead to the two wandering around "lost" forever
so she didn't have a "what if Araragi didn't step in" scenario like the others did?
Press F for guillotine cutter
>repeatedly flashes her underwear
>literally does not know the meaning of modest lingerie
>removes panties in public and gives them away as a long-term loan
>offers to flash her boobs
She's a predator. Definitely not pure.
She is even her creator doesn't like her since she hasn't been relevant since bake. I am no longer a catfag anyway. I am a bee and bat fag
> yfw monkeyfag and don't give a fuck.
It's Crabfags that become panicky and insecure whenever the relationship between Cat and RRRRG is brought up. They're fine with every other girl, but once it's Cat they lose it for some reason.
I'm not a catfag or crabfag but I'm sure the reason why y'all faggots have so much bad blood is because Hanekawa was legitimately presented as a love interest who had a chance. All the other girls flirt and shit but, besides Shinobu, it's obvious none of them are meant to be serious potential love interests for Araragi.
>There will never be a Koyomi x Shinobu x Kanbaru ending
Hanekawa only had a chance right after meeting Araragi, after she helped him she no longer had a chance because he put her in such a pedestal he no longer considers her a girl, she's a literal saint to him.
Fuck off nekoblack shitter. That crap shouldn't even be canon. That whole arc was a complete asspull
>Tiger was going around burning any place Hanekawa was attached to or has been with.
If I remember correctly that was just what they initially thought was happening. It wasn't a coincidence that the Tiger burned down the cram school at the time that Koyomi & Kanbaru were meeting up over there, right after we got that scene earlier in the arc of Hanekawa's reaction to Kanbaru telling her that she was meeting up with Koyomi
I thought the implication was that the tiger burnt down everything she envied. She envied her family's ability to be normal after how they treated her, she envied Araragi's happy family life, etc. I can't remember exactly what she envied about the cram school, though, it's slipping my mind
Might be worth watching Tsubasa Tiger & Shinobu Mail back to back at some point now that I think about it, despite being released ages apart they pretty much run concurrently and have allusions to each other in terms of what's happening behind the scenes
>tries to take him
If you meant the confession, then no that wasn't her intention. The point of that was just for her feelings to be opened and released. Her holding it in could cause a lot more problems down the line once she starts regretting, probably spawn another oddity like the tiger.
Both Shinobu Time & Shinobu Mail happen at the same time as Tsubasa Tiger, yeah. Not that Ougi scene that happens at the end of Shinobu Time though, that happens after all of these arcs.
A bit of a clusterfuck when you look at it in full like that I suppose.
Hanekawa has fully embraced her inner dumb slut. We might never see Black Hanekawa again, but she'll always be
We really need the black male cat inside her again. I want a reappearance.
Nah, I'm not getting ya. But we need more black cat.
That's because she's the most boring character. Nisio didn't think Monogatari would be a hit so he wrote a self-contained first story. Just like how in SAO Asuna must always be Kirito's lover despite being the worst girl.
After rewarding Bake, Hitagi was a great character. Nisio fucked up with her in pretty much every other story afterwards except talking to Tsubasa during Tiger and her interacting with Kami Nadeko and Kaiki
>envy - energy drain
>wrath - generate fire
wonder how the other sins might be?
>sloth - make people fall asleep/paralyze
>greed - generate her own means of cash/have a pocket dimension to store stuff
>lust - control the opposite sex
dunno what way can gluttony or pride work as a power that isnt ridiculous.
I mean it's kind if true.
He calls her his second mother in Nise, and in the current novel, people couldn't tell if he was happy or sad that Hanekawa had become such an international celeb and considers himself an inconsequential being inferior to her. I thought the betamax had ebbed at least some when it comes to her, but I was dead wrong.
It's either the guy is a mothercon on top of being a lolicon, or Araragi's love for Hanekawa is messed up as fuck.
Araragi, Hitagi and Sodachi lived in another city in college, right? How could Araragi let Sodachi live in his house?