is Kingdom a good manga /a/? I want a good war manga with political

>>152279144
It's one of the few manga that didn't get shit after 500 fucking chapters. Really deserves its fame in Japan.

Read it and find out.

Really wish they did a better job with the anime, mostly so it would've had more seasons.

>>152279251
Man I'm not a teenager anymore, I got shit to do, I can't be wasting my time with bad mango. I have to do some research on the media I consume first, and I don't know where to turn to for anime and mango besides /a/.

It's good, but there's not much political intrigue taking place.

it's pretty good, but it's more of an action-drama series than a political series.

>>152279144
It's got only a little bit of political Intrigue. If you're looking for that, read Ravages of Time.

They're both good though.

Just skip the start until ch46

>>152279667
>Ravages of Time
how often does that one update?

>>152279770
why do you say that?

>>152279809
every other week, but it's got several arcs complete so there are many "complete" parts

It's damn awesome, one of the best manga I've read

It's more action, less intrigues. Also takes several volumes before the story really gets going. Definitely worth a read.

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>>152279144
>I want a good war manga with political intrigue, does Kingdom deliver?
This is a page from the most recent chapter.

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>>152280747
This is going to be a good fucking year of Kingdom chapters

>>152279944

since the start is bullshit shonen adventure garbage and after full glorious seinen wars

>>152281028

can coalition be topped?

kingdom is not only a manga, is one of the best pieces of literature produced in japan and the world. I specially like the politics part and the fights inside the court, we need em back.

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>>152281169

If they bring rempa back im gonna wet my pants.

>>152280747
Out of curiosity, where do translators even get the japanese scans in the first place?

I've heard its good, just had shitty 3D in its adaptation that turned a lot of people off.

>>152281334

rempa is for the final arc when shin will counquer chu

>>152281606
It's a joke people would be shallow enough to be turned off by that.

>>152281606

the manga is a seinen, the anime is a 3d shonen

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>>152280747
I can't fucking wait to see Riboku going all out after all the self boasting at Kanyou
Expecially looking forward for when he wrecks Kanki

>>152282162
While this is one of the cases the manga is undisputably better than the anime, not just in the elitist sense I tend to read on /a/, the events don't differ that much to make it change genre.

>>152281028
Indeed. It's going to be the battle that destroys nearly all of the Zhao forces, so you know it's going to be legendary.

>Shin using Ouki's glave
I'm cumming

>>152285910
>his face when he sees how great the glave cuts people
That's going to be great.

>>152281715
>final arc when shin will counquer chu
You mean when Shin fails to conquer Chu and Ousen shows him how it's done

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>>152279144
One of best Manga I've ever read, even the political parts of the series are good

>>152286317
Shin was fucking Chu completely undefeated until some shithead decided he wanted to go back to Chu and become leader of some random city and causing a revolt instead of conquering China.

>>152283528
Wait is this the war where Kanki gets BTFO'd and escapes execution in Qin or is it one of the next wars?

>>152287919
No, it's in 3 years.
This is the war where Zhao gets BTFO hard.

>>152279144
Is it about Three Kingdoms? Is there a good war manga with political intrigue set in a Sengoku period?

>>152288086
Kingdom takes place before that.

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What was the hypest moment in Kingdom so far?

>>152288732
Too many to count.

>>152279251
How's the translation? IIRC at first they were using the Jap names for all of the characters which, considering it's a fucking Chinese historical series, is a legitimate deal breaker same as if I was reading a 3K series where the translaters used Ryofu instead of Lu Bu.

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>>152289143
it's the opposite, at first they were using Chinese names, but have been using Jap style for the past 300+ chapters now.

Since it's a Japanese manga I don't think it's a big deal. It's like referring to Deustchland as "Germany", or Nihon as "Japan". Yeah it's not the true accurate thing these historical people would be saying but who gives a fuck, use what people are familiar with in the audience. And in this case, the audience is Japanese.

>>152289262
>Since it's a Japanese manga I don't think it's a big deal.
My autism will not accept this.

>>152288824
This. There are too many hype moments to pick a best one. The coalition arc alone had a maximum hype moment every chapter or 2.

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>>152288732
This, by far

>>152289143
The translation is good.
Names start off in their original chinese translation but then just go japanese ~30 chapters in or so and stay that way.

Need some honest opinion from people that read Kingdom. How the fuck can you praise and stomach it?

The main problems I have with this work is the two following:
- Shounen tropes to the brim and more
- Somehow romanticize the MCs to 100% good guy status

The MC and the new young emperor is pretty much slaughtering their way to an united China. And somehow this is presented as a wonderful thing, while everyone else is painted as monsters more or less for wanting to defend their borders, refusing to submit to the unification.

Shin and his army does not condone and partake in rape and pillaging. Even attacks soldiers on their own side when they do it. I know this is historical fiction, but you can´t fucking pull this idealized warfare without ruining immersion.

Jesus fuck, how do you guys deal with it? I thought Kanki was suppose to show MC how wrong he was, but of course, Kanki is evil and will get his just desserts for being in a shounen war manga.

Why does Kingdom gets a free pass for pulling all these shounen bs? This hatred is from someone that loves the Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

>>152288732
Do horses really work like bikes? You lean and turn?

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>>152289401
>The coalition arc alone had a maximum hype moment every chapter or 2.
So many.
>Kanki burning the siege tower
>Kamei vs Monbu
>Shin fighting that zombie commander
>going full lord of the rings with elephants
>ousen saving the kingdom literally at the last second
>Duke saying ''never let your fire burn out Shin'
>the entirety of Sai's battle

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>>152288732
made me cry

>>152279144
Its great, the art might throw you off and some people dont like it but the story and the fights are 10/10

>>152289749
yeah. I love that official history has this as like 2 lines, which let the author go FUCKING OFF THE RAILS with it in the best possible way.

>>152289546
They acknowledge what they're doing. I don't think they ignore the slaughter, they just believe that they are correct.

Kanki IS evil, and WILL get his just desserts, but they never said he was wrong. He's been kicking ass for like 300 chapters already.

>>152289936
>I love that official history has this as like 2 lines, which let the author go FUCKING OFF THE RAILS with it in the best possible way.
To be fair, the commander and chief of the coalition war was pushed away at the doorstep of the capital. How did he pass the pass? How did he get so far? I wouldn't be surprised if it's exactly how it happened.

>>152289546
>The MC and the new young emperor is pretty much slaughtering their way to an united China. And somehow this is presented as a wonderful thing, while everyone else is painted as monsters more or less for wanting to defend their borders, refusing to submit to the unification.
Emperor said he knows what he is doing is awful but someone has to do it as it is the only way to unite China.

>Shin and his army does not condone and partake in rape and pillaging. Even attacks soldiers on their own side when they do it. I know this is historical fiction, but you can´t fucking pull this idealized warfare without ruining immersion.
Because every solider just went around raping and pillaging? What are you autistic?

>>152289546
u wot, Qin get called invading dogs since Shin's first campaign, no one in the realm can stand them

>>152289546
>Shounen tropes to the brim and more
Nothing wrong with it. It's awesome.

>Somehow romanticize the MCs to 100% good guy status
War is ugly and shit. He's not 100% good at all, he just has a shonen ''I won't kill people who surrender''.

>And somehow this is presented as a wonderful thing, while everyone else is painted as monsters more or less for wanting to defend their borders, refusing to submit to the unification.
It's not. Many times, people comment that it's insane. And in real history, the Emperor is remembered as an insane man who conquered China then went insane. There's a large amount of propaganda by the dynasty that painted him as an evil emperor, and the author said that he's simply making a less demonized story of him conquering China.
When you find out what happens after China is conquered, it makes all that struggle in Kingdom even more hilarious.

>I know this is historical fiction, but you can´t fucking pull this idealized warfare without ruining immersion.
Who cares.

>I thought Kanki was suppose to show MC how wrong he was, but of course, Kanki is evil and will get his just desserts for being in a shounen war manga.
Kanki only pillaged for a purpose, he was right and Shin was stupid for not seeing past that.

>Why does Kingdom gets a free pass for pulling all these shounen bs?
Because of cool moments.

>>152290297
>Because of cool moments
I agree. People shit on Shounen all the time. But I will defend Bleach and Naruto even to this day, because they include way too much cool moments to make up for all the garbage. Kingdom has the good spot of being obscure and niche, also not popular for people to shit on it. For which I am glad for.

>>152289546
The only shounen trope thing that bothered me was Ei Sei's response to Ryo Fui, it was too idealistic and forced, other than that, they acknowledged several times that what they're doing is bad but they have to do it because nobody else will, the only romanticized moments are amongst the MC's because they're the ones we are following, other than that, it's really well done

>>152279144
It was good at first, later became great, but then the pace slowed down a lot, so at this moment it's not so interesting.

>>152279485
Instead of wasting time on the 'research' here you could have read at least a first volume already and see what it is.

>>152290573
People love cool moments, even in shit stories, it's really that simple. When Madara was wrecking shit in Naruto, /a/ fucking loved it because it was cool.

>Kingdom has the good spot of being obscure and niche, also not popular for people to shit on it.
I dunno if it's 'obscure'. I mean look at mangafox

http://mangafox.me/manga/kingdom/

>ranked 26th
>near 5 star rating
It's very well beloved and highly rated. Hell, it's honestly the only manga I follow every week and waiting helplessly on sundays for turnip to release. And the manga never stops being hype. It's loved in Japan and people in the west love it too, but it doesn't have a full shonen fanbase hype, which is why no one is actually shitting on it. It's good, nothing more and nothing less.

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I wish they showed him more.

>>152291037
>only fights battles he can't lose
How can anyone ever beat him?

https://youtu.be/MsVjy6ZO0Ik

>>152291119
They can't. That's why he will fulfill his dream and become the emperor.

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>>152288732
For me is defenitely Sei raling the poeple during the coalition war.

That was freaking beautifull

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>>152290639
Well, he did (will) put an end to 5 centuries of constant war so it's not like he was totally wrong
Plus his response to why he had to use military might to unify China was pretty great

>>152291037
Have patience m8, he's going to be the MVP of the unification wars
Plus once Riboku and Renpa are dead he'll be the greatest general under the heavens

>>152291503
That entire ideological discussion was great.
>tfw your worldview aligns with ryofui but you end up rooting for the king because optimism

>>152291549
I wonder how the author will go on without Riboku. It's clear he's the author's favorite, but history kills him off in such an anticlimatic way.
I wonder what Shin's reaction will be when he hears what happened.

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Kingdom. Making diplomacy look badass since 2006.

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>>152291573
Ryofui really was a based antagonist, hopefully we'll get some update on him soon

>>152279144
that one of the best manga curently running

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>>152289546
>The MC and the new young emperor is pretty much slaughtering their way to an united China. And somehow this is presented as a wonderful thing, while everyone else is painted as monsters more or less for wanting to defend their borders, refusing to submit to the unification.
>>>>>wonderful thing
Speedreader detected

>>152291652
He was great and I somehow believe that the manga probably captured his actual grandiose nature. Who the fuck puts out a notice that you'll give gold to anyone that can add one letter more to a manuscript? Or fucks the queen mother just because?
The guy was based as fuck, ahead of everyone, and had a collection of some of the greatest people in all the land serving him. Like, for most of the story, Rishi is standing behind him but he's this insanely important figure in China and he's just his goddamn lackey.

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>>152291652
Ryofui was good but Riboku is the GOAT antagonist

>young and handsome
>greatest general under the heavens
>both top tier strategist and warrior
>not an arrogant cunt, always respects his enemies
>not evil, in fact he's the good guy protecting his homeland from the Qin mongrels
>cares about the lives of his men unlike many generals
>has a qt loyal waifu in Kaine
Nigga doesn't have a single flaw

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Jesus fuck, Yan are assholes.

>>152291915
>Nigga doesn't have a single flaw
He's a coward.

>>152291919
Ordo is based as fuck, he's the mountain people's Renpa

>>152291986
But he's an idiot.

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>>152291985
I don't think so

>>152292024
Getting dunked by Ousen doesn't necessarily make you an idiot.

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This guy became super based after the rebellion arc

>>152292084
How about waking up a monster because you didn't do enough intel work on where you were invading? He had literally one place he shouldn't have attacked and fucked up.

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>>152292081
I dunno, he says so himself.

>>152292182
To be fair, Zhao apparently just has a bunch of random ass guys who turn out to be super strong despite having no renown.

>>152292221
You gotta have more people to fight Shin in the future, so it can't be helped.

>>152292202
That down to earth nature of his makes him even more awesome, imagine if he had Ousen's ambition or Ryofui's greed, he'd be the ruler of China at this point

>>152292142
One thing this mangaka really does well is redemption

>>152282162
When does it become a seinen? I read it for like 70 or so chapters and then put it on hold since it felt like a typical shounen.

>>152292265
More like you don't have to have your manga circle all around the same 5-6 strong guys while all the others are fodder, one of the best things of Kingdom is that there are so much strong characters, even amongst the unknow people

>>152292408
Keep reading. It's shonen disgused as seinen.

>>152292408
when Kanki and Ousen are introduced

>>152292411
I think that the best thing about Kingdom is that it can introduce relatively new characters out of the blue, give them very little time and you still end up caring for them, even when they're the enemy. Like, that recent battle. We barely even knew those three guys but I still cared about them. That arc of people was legendary.
This manga has a way of doing cliche shit so well.

>>152292439
>It's shonen disgused as seinen.
That is not a good thing. But I will probably pick it back up when I have nothing else to read/watch.
could it be you meant a seinen disguised as shonen?

Do you consider any of the kingdom arcs as weak. For me that kyokay returns home was a very bad arc. I understand that was neccesary but it turned to be very boring.

>>152279144
It's a decent manga, but nothing great, and certainly not something I'd recommend for the war drama or politics. It's more similar to hotblooded battle shounen but with a less cliche plot structure. No, I'm not calling it a shounen, before some retard jumps on me with "BUT IT'S SEINEN!"

>>152292542
>could it be you meant a seinen disguised as shonen?
Same difference.

>>152292503
And the best chapters usually are the ones which major characters die.

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>>152292503
My favourite of those is Karin, she started as a no name general of Chu's second army and turned out to be a monster and is the current prime minister of Chu as well as best girl

>>152292663
I want her to be raped and used as a slave.

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>>152292735
rude

>you'll never be a great general under the heavens
Why live?

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>>152292548
It was short and sweet, and it's always hype to see Kyoukai going ballistic

>>152279144
too much shounen crap and very little historical facts.

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>>152292548
The start of Kingdom in general is rather weak with Shin biting off more than he can shew and still winning. The Rebellion arc is the weakest by far, but once that's done, it never stops being bad.

>>152292773
Strong women that are the enemy deserve nothing less but total subjugation and humiliation.
I mean, imagine going to war for years again this monster, and then you finally capture her and rape her until she becomes a meager girl. It's the greatest victory.

>>152279144
I don't know about the manga but man if I loved the anime, the CG is kinda lacking in quality though (at least for season 1 which is the only one I managed to watch so far).

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>>152292856
>I can never go that deep again
>mfw you know she'll go deep during the Chu massacre, killing everyone around her and still end up dying

>>152279144
read Chang Ge Xing its better

>>152292981
Cant agree with you. The part where sei and shin meet the mountain peoope and then raid the castle was awesome.

Just wandering, when will Mouten have his own big duel?
Shin had Rinko and Ouhon had the spear guy, the fuccboy needs a good fight too

>>152293732
He fought Kamei and survived.

>>152279485
>I'm not a teenager anymore
then you won't enjoy kingdom

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>>152293874
you cheeky cunt

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>>152292663
>>152292773
>>152292981
>ywn utterly defeat her in combat and in bed

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>>152294181
Kaine is better

>>152294229
>>152294181
>>152294229
>every time you destroy a kingdom, you get a new slave waifu to the harem

>>152294320
Rance please no

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How would you guys like Riboku to die, the real history way or something else?

>>152294780
Shin killing him, obviously.
But, you know, history takes precedence.

>>152294780
I'd rather see him defeated by a court scheme than see him lose a war where he's defending his homeland
Given, that's not a good way for a general to die, but it would mean that he was defeated by Sei in a battlefield that's not really his forte (the court) and that his prestige as a general can remain untouched

>>152294780
I'm not much of an expert on China's history, but I've heard from people that this author doesn't change the real events that much, and I know what happens with Riboku in real history so I hope the author keeps it exactly like that.

Riboku is too based to be killed by any fag general.

>Copy-paste the manga

>>152295260
Cursing everything as poison slowly kills him would be great. Like, imagine the ending of Death Note but with his life flashing before his eyes, raging that his death will doom Zhao.

>>152295437
I don't see why the author would change it. If anything, it feels like the author is giving too much focus on Riboku being in charge of everything because he knows that he will die soon enough.

>>152295541
Yeah, I fully expect an entire chapter of hate.