*1. 7,940 43,393 Yuri!!! on Ice Vol.1
*7. *,958 10,818 Drifters Blu-ray BOX Special Limited Edition
*8. *,883 **,883 Flip Flappers Vol.1
*2. 3,855 19,280 Yuri!!! on Ice Vol.1
15. *,300 10,575 Touken Ranbu: Hanamaru Vol.1
>*8. *,883 **,883 Flop Floppers Vol.1
Truly a mastepiece.
Plot and using expansive dialogue that doesn't involve just the main character's names.
At least Flip Flappers sold more than Gakuen Handsome after all!
Fall 2016 volume 1 sales:
*62,673 Yuri!!! on ICE
*22,003 Touken Ranbu: Hanamaru
*11,546 Haikyuu!! Third Season
**8,339 Bungou Stray Dogs S2
**7,271 Hibike! Euphonium 2
**5,999 Natsume Yuujinchou Go
**4,871 ViVid Strike!
**3,412 Magic-Kyun! Renaissance
**2,565 Shuumatsu no Izetta
**2,203 Show By Rock!! #
**1,612 Mahou Shoujo Ikusei Keikaku
**1,291 Shakunetsu no Takkyuu Musume
**1,223 Long Riders!
**1,180 Lostorage incited WIXOSS
**1,008 Gi(a)rlish Number
**1,003 Okusama ga Seitokaichou! +!
***,883 Flip Flappers
***,843 Udon no Kuni no Kiniro Kemari
***,805 Dream Festival!
***,788 Stella no Mahou
***,603 Watashi ga Motete Dousunda
***,595 Gakuen Handsome
***,395 Regalia: The Three Sacred Stars
>***,883 Flip Flappers
>*8. *,883 **,883 Flip Flappers Vol.1
Flip Flappers flopping wasn't really that much of a surprise, it could easily be seen that it was far more popular in the West than in Japan (where apparently it had little-to-no advertising), and even here on /a/ it just has a dedicated but relatively small fanbase (ala SamFlap). What really surprised me is how poorly Girlish Number and Keijo did. I actually thought those two had a chance at selling at least 3k, and even when it started to become clear that GN was going to flop it was surprising at just how poorly it sold; I kind of expected it to have at least sold 2k.
Did the manga at least get a sales boost? The manga sales I could find pre-anime had the manga selling about half the volumes Fuuka sold (so around 20,000 volumes sold per volume).
I'm ready to welcome our new fujo overlords
>***,883 Flip Flappers
Can't we please change our AOTY to Re:zero? It's the second favorite anyway so not many people will complain.
I mean, how the fuck do you say "Yes, the best anime of the YEAR sold less than 1k" with a straight face?
It's a total fucking embarrassment.
I don't understand why people think Flip Flappers should have sold more. Sales aren't a good measure of how good something is, but In this case I understand.
I watch a lot of shows during the season and Flip Flappers had one of the most intolerable first episodes I have tried to watch in a long time. I dont really know how anyone made it past the the first 15 minutes, but I commend them. It was confusing and not laid out in an interesting way. For all the action in it it was really boring.
I think New studios shouldn't try too hard to make original work. Build up a reputation doing adaptions and once they have enough experience THEN tackle something original. Otherwise it's a shame and disheartening to creators.
>argumentum ad populum
This argument is so wrong that ancient philosophers debunked it before your great-great-great-grandma was born.
Also this. Things that are pushed more sell more. By your logic, Avatar is the best western movie ever made, because it sold the highest for any single-release movie. When in reality it just had an absolutely enormous marketing budget and showed off 3DCG tech that was new at the time.
Not always. There is a slight correlation but it doesn't always happen. For example, a lot of shows that the West praises such as AnH or SSY were massive bombs saleswise in Japan.
I think FliFla could have done maybe slightly better if they at least release some form of promotional material for it before hand; maybe an LN or manga adaptation or prequel, in order to build up hype. It really bothers me they didn't release at the very least a manga adaptation of the series, leaving the franchise with just the anime and nothing else, and I can't understand why the production committee decided to go in that direction.
Trigger's a bunch of clueless idiots though
why would you make a family-friendly anime one can enjoy with children in 2010s Japan
salaryman culture prevents the Japanese from having children and even if they manage to get some they don't really spend time with their children at all
Its simple really
People watch and buy the things they like
If more people watch and buy that thing the better it is
Because why would anyone watch and buy an inferior product instead of the better one?
Not always. Look at Michael Bay movies: they tend to gross well but their critical reception tend to be mixed at best. Sales/gross are a decent, but by no means perfect indication of quality. While many objectively bad shows sell poorly and many objectively good shows sell well, this is not always the case: for example, the film Ed Wood was a Best Picture winner and was a critic darling, but it was a major box-office bomb. I know my examples are mostly Western media but my point stands.
If people didn't expect YOI to be the top seller of Fall then some people are living under a rock.
Come to think of it, YoI was an example of this. It got little hype before this season and from what I remember reading here the impressions from the pre-screening were less-than-impressive. I was actually sure it would flop.
Before the season Yuri on Ice was tracking extremely low and early screenings didn't like it. It came out of nowhere. It had more than 3 established franchises with big fujo following to compete with and 2 sports anime from manga that already had fanbases. It looked dead.
You're confusing now for the beginning of the season. Yuri on Ice didn't have any marketing until the week episode 7 came out when it was already snowballing and it got its first billboard for vol1 BD.
Yes a couple of good cuts surrounded by usual mouth flapping does not make a well animated show as a whole.
OPM, Naruto, Precure = meh animation
Mob Psycho, Nichijou, Space Dandy = great animation
Examples of shows that are shilled for eternity and still flop: Trickster
This show has huge list of sponsors, Gackt, stage shows, everything. I don't know why they expected so much from it.
Reminds me how Izetta already has prototypes for nendos because they were expecting a big hit and started a lot of this shit early. And how for about 9 weeks Yuri on Ice stuff all used the same fucking character art because merch had nothing ready for YoI to be a success.
Flip Flappers didn't deserve this. It deserved so much more.
So I guess Fuuka's going to flop then. Right now the preorder rank for the highest ranking volume is 1,470 (which to be fair is higher than Qualidea Code's typical rank).
>**1,008 Gi(a)rlish Number
Not that anon but to be specific, he watches (and likes) any yuri show (except for Hibike which apparently traumatized him because it had a het end).
Fuuka is also mildly popular.
After all this time I never really understood why canon yuri shows generally and consistently flop.
FlipFlap is nowhere near Mob Psycho but slightly above OPM because it actually has a visual identity to lessen the impact of the declining production towards the end. I'm willing to say OPM isn't even in the top 30 animated shows this decade.
I can think of quite a few original series that didn't come with LNs or manga before the series aired.
I just think that the first episode should have been stronger and, actually, interesting. You can't expect a show to survive on Sakuga alone. The story gives weight to those moments.
YoI and Madoka were, but the thing is (with Madoka at least) was that it did have merchandise out while the show was airing. Flip Flappers seems to have none of that.
>*7. *,958 10,818 Drifters Blu-ray BOX Special Limited Edition
>Characters becoming clashing specks of light in the sky
>Buildings and ground exploding into geometrically perfect cubes
>Every fight has awesome animation
Depends how you define yurifags. The audience for stuff like Aoi Hana and Sasameki Koto is small, but the audience for bait shows like you find in a Kirara magazine is huge. Flip Flappers is the second kind and could have been successful if it had better writing
That show was already a mess from the 15 first minutes. Experimental writing that goes nowhere, and doesn't even manage to build a story. It's like they tried to mix Alice in Wonderland and Tatami Galaxy, to give an example of the worst attempt at uniqueness you can think of. And when I say 'worst', I mean that you'd have to be a genius to pull that stunt. Instead, it was obvious that the whole studio was lost trying to understand what they were doing. Whatever budget they had, it was a waste of good animation and ideas.
The yuri bait of course didn't deliver, so it's even worse, it means they knew they didn't have any target public, so they tried to at least draw the attention of people who can only think about sex watching two characters (whoever they are) interact.
So vain and worthless.
>***,883 Flip Flappers
Even beautifully animated, SHIT is SHIT.
>I think New studios shouldn't try too hard to make original work.
3Hz have literally only ever done originals and their highest sales were 1.3k for Sora no Method. I have no idea how they're still around and I love it.
Worst part is they had the talent to make something people could enjoy like the gokigenyou episode, they just tried to squeeze too much random shit with no payoff into most episodes and then wasted tons of time on a boring SF story that wasn't even presented well
but Haifuri and New Game were good and the only watchable CGDCT this season was Takkyuu Musume and even then it was just glorified Saki, and the rest nobody wanted or even asked for
Meh, nothing wrong with liking something way too much, as long as you don't obsess over it. Cute girls and yuri subtext takes a big chunk of the market anyway.
That said, the flop shouldn't surprise anyone.
This I agree with. I remember watching the first episode and being bored with it. It seemed like it was trying to be something interesting, but didn't know how to be so.
That's not to say that all stories should have conventional storytelling, but it should be somewhat interesting, at least.
What I really don't understand is why Keijo sold so poorly. I thought Ecchi sells well?
He's really obsessed with yuri shows though to the point of unhealthyness. I mean just look at all the Sakura Trick merchandise he has.
Flip Flappers had pretty conventional anime storytelling though. Adventure of the week transitioning into "serious" plot near the end. That used to be standard though in the age of one cour adaptations it's rare
Someone should make such a picture for mappa
Reminder that LL will never be the powerhouse FMA was. Though in all honestly a 12k week 2 is ridiculous and exactly what Yuri on Ice needs if it wants to challenge Sunshine for best selling of the year.
Keijo is nothing new too be honest. You can easily watched old shows to get the exact same shit you see in Keijo. It looks good to watch, but that is not enough to actually want to buy the show. The same can be said of many shows that's been released over the years that hide behind shit storytelling and direction with cute girls and flashy visuals.
Is it for sale? I don't care that I can't wear it, I want it.
>my 10 copies
Yeah, nevermind. I understand supporting the industry and the genre you love, but buying for the sake of buying doesn't make sense.
No, it was just a show with cute girls and and a potentially interesting setting that didn't go anywhere interesting. Kind of like Sora no Woto, another mediocre show /a/ was obsessed with that Japan didn't care about
It's ok if you don't really get it I guess. It's a very abstract kind of show questioning the nature of perception and communication between internal worlds through multi-layering and staging animetism. Not as extraordinarily deep as Yuri Kuma Arashi but up there.
Some of you guys are alright, don't go to Japan tomorrow
Doesn't really matter since import sales don't count towards Oricon.
I can see why he's really pissed at the moment.
>Dropped out as of 2016-04-10 list:
>Strike Witches, 2008, Gonzo / AIC Spirits / Silver Link
>Maria-sama ga Miteru, 2004, Studio DEEN
>has garbage like Touka Gettan and Yuyushiki
His problem isn't yurifaggotry, it's just shit taste
Flip Flappers will be talked and analyzed 10 years from now due to it's deep themes, YoI will just be remembered as that homo faggot show
On one hand he needs to realize that his favorite anime is a niche of a niche which doesn't really have much place in an industry where the best selling anime are usually very normalfag-friendly, and/or made to sell you husbandos and waifus/idols. On the other hand I know it sucks when a show you really like flops so hard, so his reaction is understandable even though he's an autist.
>pissed at the poor sales
You're seriously no better than someaninthing when it comes to being a dumb fanboy
Why? They're just studios, they aren't getting any major profits from these shows.
But quality is subjective as fuck.
You can think you have superior taste all you want because you hate Michael Bay movies (or yoi or whatever), but in the end, there are way more people that like it (hence all the sales). Whether they're crap or works of art, they're the ones that will get more stuff made, they can be milked for more money and will make people more happy.
c/a/suals don't understand production committee system and also believe studio is more important than staff. They've been told the truth but don't listen because they're retarded
Updated to 63k, and it's far from being over.
Fujos really are lucky.
I want shows where the studio has spent so much time assembling every little detail and only thought about pleasing their public.
Instead, alI got was hermetic shit like Flabby Floppers and disguised low level porn like Keijo!!!!!!!. I want to puke.
Because you deserve to get cancer.
I'm glad to be a fujo these days. But don't worry, I'm sure you'll get a yuri anime that isn't shit or just bait someday. Don't lose hope.
I watch that every week and I don't understand why anyone will expect a sucess either. Were they hoping fujos would through money at them regardless of mediocre..everything? Maybe fujos would have if they didnt have yoi this season.
Would have just gone to Touken Ranbu which has popular af source material. Similar to Izetta; sometimes shows just get huge advertising budgets even though no sentient human could possibly expect them to succeed
Qualidea Code seemed to have a lot of promotional effort put into it with all the big names attached to it and it still bombed.
Episode 1's animation wasn't that bad yet but as early as episode 1 you could tell that its sales were dead on arrival.
And it's not like bad animation results in bad sales: KonoSuba had a lot of QUALITY but that didn't stop it from being a top seller.
/a/ has brainwashed so many into thinking that this was going to be unique that most people don't realize this was like a pretty box with nothing inside. There was nothing to talk about, only the animation to praise. And that's what we call 'forced animation' here. Too bad pride blinds people, I hope they realize soon the show is already forgotten because nobody can remember about anything special about it. It was vague, blurry yuri lost in the fog of nothing distinguishable.
I've had enough of yuri, even 'Oniisama e' never delivered and it was 40 years ago. The last show a little 'different' I saw was Kannatsuki no Miko and it was cursed by that bloody 'gays must suffer' law too, so I'm fucking DONE.
Flip Flappers is still good! It's good!
The game came after the anime, which came after the manga, which came after the animated music videos.
Delta is technically successful.
I don't think movies really count in this discussion.
If you go around japan asking for people who like LoGH for example, there is no other group but otakus that would even know about it.
So stop being a self-hating idiot, unless you are a true normalfag, in that case, fuck off.
here you go faggots
> Yuri!!! on ICE
> Touken Ranbu: Hanamaru
> Haikyuu!! Third Season
> Bungou Stray Dogs S2
> Natsume Yuujinchou Go
> Yes, fujobait but goods shows except Touken Ranbu, it's shit.
Why so many complaints?
>***,788 Stella no Mahou
I hope a second season is coming.
I really like Osomatsu, Yuri, Haikyuu S3 and Bungou S2 (S1 it's pute shit by the way.)
I don't know the problem.
When the best selling anime targeted at male otaku this year were Love Live Sunshine, Re:Zero and Konosuba, we should only thanks our new fujoshi overlords.
> Nothing is fujo about Osomatsu.
> EP 16
> Ichi kiss Oso twice
>literally the most boring easy-to-animate sports on the planet
the free! rip offs are already starting. at least the sports element of YOI was good.
but ultimately the decision to make it an anime was decided when free blew out sales expectations
>the industry will be nothing but homoshit soon
I've never even heard of Touken Ranbu before this thread
It'll have the same amount of homoshit it's always had. You'll just start to notice it now instead of ignoring it like before.
It's weird because Kumirei actually did win. Yurifags just seem to be really insecure and give up on their interpretation easily.
Maybe in the anime, but in the LN that wasn't the case. Actually the anime was vague about who won who.
Looking at the FF threads you can see that the people there genuinely like it and think it's some kind of unappreciated masterpiece.
>Kumirei actually did win because Kyoani made another non-canon bait art
>/a/ pretended to like Mayoiga for eight straight weeks
honestly it surprises me anons had such a violent reaction to faggots on ice selling well considering the amount of air time it got on /a/
It's true though. In Japan it seems to have gone largely unnoticed, mainly due to the lack of promotion. To be honest, had I not seen the first episode
at Animax Carnival (since they were showing it there)I would not have picked up the show at all.
I think most male anons just ignore fujo threads and don't realize how much discussion there was about Faggots on Ice. Most of them probably still think /a/ is less than 30% female
Infinite Productions (the same company that owns Flip Flappers) is being used to waste chink money.
Make no mistake. Those guys knew that Flip Flappers, Regalia and Matoi would all sell like shit, and banked on it. All those three consecutive flops within one year would be a fucking large dent to anyone, but when applying Chinese investment money and creative accounting while pretending to care about bringing quality-sakuga shit for shows that nobody even knows much about because no advertisement is being made, the businessmen in Japan can just continue operating and monopolizing the market.
Kumirei won because the evidence in the anime was overwhelmingly weighted towards them. Hell, even in the novels it's obvious that Kumiko's relationship with Shuuichi won't last long. But as I said, yurifags are insecure and just immediately give up at the sight of a few weak Shuuichi/Taki bait scenes.
I blame social media. Kids think that something that is being talked a lot somewhere means that it must be very popular. And since many still believe that /a/ mirror's Japan's taste (despite /a/ constantly complaining about Japanese shittaste in jest, making somewhat tasteless but still obvious jokes about 2 nukes not being enough, /a/ actually acknowledging to not really know or care that much about the situation in Japan and just being one of many anime-discussion platforms in the west), they get the faulty impression that it must be popular in Japan too.
If a show that is being talked a lot on /a/ happens to be popular in Japan, then it was just coincidence.
Nothing more than that.
Flip flappers may not have sold but it attracted an audience not often catered to in anime.
It brought together people that wanted to think about what they watch, discuss it and engage with it.
I don't think anyone is really surprised it didn't sell well considering how niche that target audience is. It was a fun ride but a ride that was always doomed to fail.
I got myself a lesbian kiss last year while the fujos had to put up with an implied one. The war might be lost, but a battle was won, good enough for me.
Personally, I'm kinda glad that Flip Flappers flopped, because yurifags on /a/ tend to be an incredibly toxic and obnoxious bunch of shippers, as one can see in the Hibike threads.
By not having a show pandering to them being financially successful, they won't brag about it all the time.
Although they'll probably become supersour and start trying to falseflag as fujoshi now to alleviate their butthurt for a few days.
Fortunately, the new season has already started.
Fuck off if you think FliFla is actually just yuri.
Its not even over analysis, the themes and symbolism are actually there in Flip flappers which is why it got such strong attention from people that like to talk and analyse shows. Its just that is incredibly niche as an audience.
Its hardly surprising it didn't sell well
Not him but "Okada genre" is not a genre, please. Since she gets a lot of work, Okada must occasionally produce something decent, but most of the series she's involved in are shit, or just plain boring.
> Bungou Stay Dogs
Yeah, right. And fuck off.
But there was a lot greater detail in analysis of themes. No one really focused on the world and what was happening because it didn't matter. The imagery and symbolism is what interested people.
It was good but then again you probably don't like shows you have to thin about. Go back to OPM or Moe-schoolgirl-SOL-show number 783
Seriously though, how do we stop the fujoshi? At this rate, pretty boys are going to become the dominant image of anime for years to come. The entire iconic "cute girls" culture will become a dying niche. How do we change this?
The "Okada genre" is bad but she has worked on a bunch of legitimately good things. She did a bunch of Aria the Natural episodes, Aquarion Evol, Gosick, Hanasaku Iroha, Sasami, some Rozen Maiden episodes, Toradora, Simoun, True Tears, Nagi no Asukara, Mine Fujiko, she actually has more hits than misses even if her misses are frequent and godawful
Haikyuu is generally consistent though
Japan doesn't have many landwhales at all.
Western fujos however are almost all fat as fuck.
Allow me to repeat: we are an unpassable bulwark against fujos
>Natsume selling only 6k