What the fuck was her problem?

Sand in her vagina

>>151969961
Systematic domestic abuse from a young age, then being abandoned by the one person she thought could save her from that.

Her problem is she didn't get much screen time.

>>151969961
Mommy was a mummy.

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>>151970231

Autism with trauma.

>>151969961
She waited for a prince to save her.

Spending few months with your mother's corpse in the next room can cause mental problems.

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>>151969961
It was obviously Araragi.

>>151969961
It was a math problem.

>>151969961
Her voice increased the show's rating by 10 points for me.

>>151970522
Jesus, she needs the dick bad.

>>151969961
Arararararagi's amnesia

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>>151970165
I agree with that one. I truly hope aniplex will milk the series into off-season.

And then adapt how it's in the book, Sodachi digressing, rambling and speaking for every character except herself. And animating the threatening, blackmailing, invading and stealing from that arc.

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>>151970805
She was glad that he had forgotten the embarrassing time she kissed up to him though.

>mentally and physically abused by both her parents
>lived in what looked like ruins for her entire childhood
>gets taken care of by a good family for a few days shattering her worldview that every family is shitty
>immediatly forgotten by said family
>even the cops forget about her
>wants boy to be her saviour, he forgets about her again
>parents divorce, mother kills herself slowly while blaming her
>so crazy she lives with her corpse for two years
>everyone in both her old and new school hate her guts
>gets punched by worst girl
>her latest arc ends with her drunken father appearing again probably ready to beat her shit

Math had a hard life

Is she part of the Fire Sisters in Zoku-Owari? Does she call RRGI Onii-chan?

>>151970965
>by worst girl

Tsubasafug pls

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>>151971103
"C'mon, Koyomi. I know you want to enjoy your naughty mags, but I've just been bored to death watching the house alone, so join me for a cup of tea. There's this maths puzzle that would be perfect for tea and snacks,"

Said the girl in short pants, dragging me off into the living room. Dammit, for some reason I can't resist her.

>>151970965
I really want to lightly bully her in order to coerce her into being my friend, then suddenly propose to her one day.

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>>151971205
There is probably a giant catch to the situation, right? That sounds too perfect and I can't believe Nisio would allow Math to have a happy life, even in a parallel universe

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>>151971411
The catch is that it's not exactly a parallel world, but how each character wishes their life could be, like for example Karen is not tall. Even hating Araragi more than everything, her true dream was to have been part of his family instead of hers

>>151971631
Damn, Math really needs a hug sometimes soon

Also
>Karen doesn't want to be tall
Didn't expect her to dislike her height at all, cute

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>>151971325
I want to tease her with all the mean nicknames until I finally call her Euler and she melts in my arms.

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>>151971984
She might get a hug soon from her drunk father that tracked her down

>>151972232
"After all, even with that, I'm perfectly all right."

Damn. And she hoped so much that Araragi finally came for her

Her problem was trying to prove that P=NP

Which people had the saddest back stories? I think math is number 1 for sure followed by crab and cat.

>>151972936
You

>>151972232
Will it be a hug like in my FatalPulse doujins?

>>151972936
Math has to be number 1 but I'm not sure which one gets the second place

Cat, Crab and Rouka all had it pretty rough and Snail died way too young

>>151971205
I hope we get more Math bullying in the Zoku commentary.

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>>151972936
She has certainly the saddest between the humans, followed by Cat in my opinion.

But it's hard to compare to non humans. You can argue that having a life so shitty you dream of the day you die is still better than not having a life like Hachikuji or Rouka.

And Kissshot past is just unreasonably fucked up beyond what a realistic story could have.

>>151973130
Maybe if her father wants to use her daughter to pay his debts to the yakuza.

Shit I want to read second season, but I don't want to read it in stupid English, but it's not like I can read Japanese. I can't just go back to my country so I can buy some light novels. Truly in catch 22.

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>>151970522
>light """"""""""""""""""""""""""novel"""""""""""""""

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>>151973194
You mean someone bullying math or math bullying koyomi?

>>151973449
Crab bullying Math, obviously.

Math and Koyomi would be awkward.

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>>151973531
They just need to act like the start of Sodachi Riddle for a couple episodes and it will be fine.

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she's an old lady

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>>151973908
Old ladies aren't this sexy though.

>>151970522
SHE HATES IT!

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>>151973959
Well, uh, technically uh, nah.

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>>151974282
She doesn't even have gray hair yet, how is she an old lady?

>>151970522
wew

>>151973089
Really made me think

Math should have been introduced in Nise.

>>151977906
There was nothing fake about math though, so she wouldn't fit into nise.

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>>151978133
She could have been added as a random classmate that bitches at Araragi in every opportunity while he is at school, and slowly building up to owari. Though it would certainly lose impact since she didn't even become a hikikomori from the trial.

>>151970965
>>gets punched by worst girl
This opinion I like

>>151977906
Really, Owari Part 1 should've slotted between Bake and Nise. Owari is way too late in the series given it's main theme of disillusionment. It should've gone:
Bake - Showing RRG to have a massive hero complex and the problems with that.
Kizu - Showing how RRG used to be depressed and how he latches onto his own heroism bc it makes him feel special and needed.
Owari Part 1 - Showing RRG's failure to save someone in the past, and him realising that he's really not that special or needed at all.
Nise - Showing RRG dealing with the fact that he's a fake hero and trying to stop his sisters from going down the same path as him.

But part of the charm of Monogatari is that Nisio doesn't plan it out at all and just writes whatever pops into his head at the time, so it can't be helped.

>>151978509
Everyone that appears in nise is fake in some respect.
Araragi = fake human/vampire
Tsukihi = fake sister
Karen = fake justice
Kaiki = fake specialist
Crab = fake best girl
etc.

Math wouldn't fit in in the slightest.

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>>151978847
It could have very well worked after Kizu, considering it's foreshadowed by it (how Araragi didn't remember why he became a loner suddenly, even multiple references to him being good only at math). And if Nisio had thought of Owari that early he could have made even tighter connections as well.

Owari 2 could have been part of second season. This way there would be a more steady development of him, instead of the third novel and then only the 15th. Although Ougi might be a problem, since she wouldn't have been teased.

>>151979592
I didn't say she would be a relevant part, just someone who cameos and bitches at Araragi, with Higasa level of importance. The scenario where she isn't there before or after owari 1 meant that she had to be a hikikomori before and move away after to explain.

And was Kagenui even a fake?

>>151979772
While maybe not a fake, Kagenui sure is a huge hypocrite about the whole immortal hunting thing (she has an immortal sentient corpse and a semi-immortal ex-boyfriend/rival) and about the whole "not shoving your ideals on others" affair

>>151979772
>>151980578
Kagenui is a fake hero, much like RRG himself. But unlike RRG, she has no self-awareness about it. RRG making her realise it is what makes her back off and leave Bird alone.

>>151980940
>Kagenui is a fake hero

Except she's not. Kagenui actually is a real hero and that's the point.
She provides the contrast to show us that the fake can be as real as the real thing.

>>151981045
>real hero
>killing innocent bird without even considering her family's feelings
>letting Doll "kill" Teori

>>151981045
Nah, she views herself as a paragon of justice who helps everyone, but in reality she's just invading other people's lives and forcing her views onton them. Same thing RRG was doing in Bake, but on a far more extreme scale. It's bc of the development RRG got in Bake that he's able to identify this and point it out to her. I don't think she's a real hero at all, nor do I think the story was trying to make you think that.

>>151981132
>innocent
>implying Oddities that impersonate humans are "innocent"
>implying Yozuru didn't let Tsukihi live and have Yotusgi watch over her.

>>151981155
Everyone who interacts with each-other is invading other people's lives. That's just how interaction works.
Yozuru's introduction was literally Kaiki being like "If you give me some cash, I can tell you about an immortal oddity" and the thing is that Yozuru wasn't actually wrong about her decision to take on an oddity.
While she is being self-serving, the fact that she is a force for humanity against monsters and in this one situation she just happened to be put against a monster who doesn't realize she's a monster and a human who would go to bat for that monster to keep her from the oddity side of the world.

>>151981231
If it's a simple as oddities=evil, why does she have her own immortal pet oddity that's actually a randoms person's corpse getting sentience?

>>151969961
Massive abandonment issues.

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I want to pet her head, and call her Euler.

>>151981324
Gaen revived Yotsugi as an oddity, it's not Yozuru's oddity and Yozuru mentions that Specialists need to have a barrier between them and oddities like Yotsugi to avoid people turning out like Tadatsuru who did have full intention to actually murder innocent humans like Karen, Kanbaru and the currently considered harmless Tsukihi.

>>151981231
>Everyone who interacts with each-other is invading other people's lives. That's just how interaction works.
Not if they're invited. A hero answers someone's call for help by entering their life and saving them. RRG and Kagenui were forcing themselves into other's lives without being asked to and trying to make them conform to their views. And in all instances it ends badly in the long term, as every entry in Second Season went out of its way to show us. (RRG repressing Black Hanekawa caused the History Tiger, an even more dangerous oddity to appear, him bring Snail out of her delusion and stopping her from misleading people caused her to be erased, etc) "Saving" someone only actually works if they have the will and means to be saved. You're not a hero if you "save" someone who is currently not ready to be saved, you're only making the situation worse. Oshino's been saying it from the start.

>>151970522
This chair.

>>151981449
Yozuru actually makes the situation work because she just flat destroys the oddity.
Araragi's version doesn't work because he doesn't have the strength to actually back his shit up.
If there is no oddity then while the mental problem will still be there, the oddity won't be and that's how Yozuru approaches it.

While the show posits that Oshino's way is correct and that an imperfect balance is the best way since it forces people to grow, the fact Kaiki and Yozuru have shown to be needed in new situations means that Oshino's method won't always work a la Nadeko being a God.

>>151981381
Both Kagenui and Tadatsuru were heavily involved in the creation of Yotsugi and I think it's quite hypocritical of them to use an her to hunt down immortal oddities.

Tadatsuru at least practically admits doing it because he's mad about not being immortal himself. Kagenui is just blindly believing to be justice herself, much like the Fire Sisters

Tadatsuru being in heaven afrer all this is incomprehensible to me

>>151981674
How is it hypocritical? Kiss-shot and Seishiro are both oddity hunters. Dramaturgy and Episode are both Vampire hunters.
Yotsugi herself considers herself an oddity hunter as well.
There's nothing hypocritical about it at all.

As to the spoiler, I can understand why he would be there From how we see it, he doesn't seem to have killed anyone and he's an active help towards humanity and oddities alike. Yozuru considers him an Oshino/Gaen type with her and Kaiki being the weird ones within the group by holding such extreme views.

>>151981634
>Yozuru actually makes the situation work
No she doesn't. She leaves people's lives in ruin and just turns her eyes away from that. She views herself as saving people from oddities, in this instance the Araragi family from the bird that killed their unborn child and infiltrated their home. But as RRG logically points out, his parents and Karen have no way of knowing that. From their point of view, their innocent youngest child would've just disappeared and they would've fallen into grief. Kagenui deals in the absolute that "Oddities = Evil", but without actually thinking about whether that absolute benefits humans or not. She just acts on her hateful emotions regardless of the innocent people she has to hurt to do so. If anything, she's more of a villain than a hero, moreso than even Kaiki. Kagenui is a fake hero, and as we find out later, Kaiki is a fake villain.

>>151981728
I think it's only hypocritical for Kagenui because she is so adamant about destroying fakes and oddities. Hunting their own kind doesn't conflict with Dramaturgy's, Episode's or Kiss-shot's ideals

With her set of values, shouldn't Yotsugi be on her hit list as well? She may have the appearance of the corpse they reanimated, but is a different person

Hell, even the whole thing about Tsukihi being a fake sister seems out of place when Yotsugi calls Kagenui her Onee-san all the time

>>151981904
>She just acts on her hateful emotions regardless of the innocent people she has to hurt to do so.

So then why is Tsukihi still alive? Why did Yozuru not just kill Tsukihi there and then? She could have done her job and left it at that but she chose not to.
She also chose to listen to Araragi when they fought and was open to other suggestions.

People that demonize Yozuru when the oddities are actually a real threat and ruin many lives because there are humans who cannot confront themselves well enough to actually deal with them are just people don't acknowledge the world needs people like Yozuru.

>>151981928
Tsukimono shows us that "all oddities can be considered Yozuru's targets" as Yotsugi herself says.
Yozuru also shows that she does have a chill factor and doesn't just indiscriminately kill because she can.
People take the situation in Nise to be the standard by which Yozuru approaches every situation but ignore the parts where she shows leniency even against what people consider to be her motivations.

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>>151969961